Eating back exercise calories
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andysport1
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Do you need to eat back the calories ?
What happens if you don't ?
After exercise I take a protein shake and then an hour later have 100/200 calories of fish
I burn between 500 & 1000 calories in a session
What happens if you don't ?
After exercise I take a protein shake and then an hour later have 100/200 calories of fish
I burn between 500 & 1000 calories in a session
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Thanks Malibu for the link, awesome thread
Billieljaime, I have several jars of peanut butter on the go, I have 1 smooth, 1 nutty and 1 course one that's really dry it's gorgeous, quite difficult to eat 10g.
Yesterday I ate 1000 cals burned 1400 calories from exercise = how much peanut butter does that equate too ?0 -
andysport1 wrote: »Thanks Malibu for the link, awesome thread
Billieljaime, I have several jars of peanut butter on the go, I have 1 smooth, 1 nutty and 1 course one that's really dry it's gorgeous, quite difficult to eat 10g.
Yesterday I ate 1000 cals burned 1400 calories from exercise = how much peanut butter does that equate too ?
Why on earth did you eat less than what is the lowest recommended calorie goal for women? I believe the low end for men is like 1500. :noway:
1400 calories is a little over 7 servings of PB.
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That days burn was 3.5 miles walking 350 cals, 1 hour spinning class 720 cals & 1 hour bodypump at 560 cals
Swimming is the biggest burn for me as I work so hard I'm usually sweating within 10 mins, I do swim sub 20 mins per mile which is extremely quick.
billie if you run on a tread mill at a tiny incline at 10 minute miles you'll burn near on 600 an hour. Spinning is one of the highest class based burns.
Any cardio undertaken as intervals (extreme) will burn 600 ish
2 1/2 hours exercise will equate to your dream 15000 -
Struggling today
1100 in 636 out
Start the day off tomorrow with a 5k run0 -
MomOfOneGirl1995 wrote: »
where do you get your calories burned numbers from?
Most off here, the body pump & spinning from the guidance notes from the class provider using weight, intensity, HRM
Running as a guide is generally 100 cals per mile irrespective of the speed
From your question do you think otherwise ? If I'm getting it wrong I'd like to know.
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MomOfOneGirl1995 wrote: »andysport1 wrote: »MomOfOneGirl1995 wrote: »
where do you get your calories burned numbers from?
Most off here, the body pump & spinning from the guidance notes from the class provider using weight, intensity, HRM
Running as a guide is generally 100 cals per mile irrespective of the speed
From your question do you think otherwise ? If I'm getting it wrong I'd like to know.
the numbers on here are wrong most of the time...they are too high of a burn...just sayin'.
Than also explain to him why they are wrong.
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Any suggestions of where to look for more accurate figures ? please.0
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billieljaime wrote: »shadow2soul wrote: »andysport1 wrote: »Thanks Malibu for the link, awesome thread
Billieljaime, I have several jars of peanut butter on the go, I have 1 smooth, 1 nutty and 1 course one that's really dry it's gorgeous, quite difficult to eat 10g.
Yesterday I ate 1000 cals burned 1400 calories from exercise = how much peanut butter does that equate too ?
Why on earth did you eat less than what is the lowest recommended calorie goal for women? I believe the low end for men is like 1500. :noway:
1400 calories is a little over 7 servings of PB.
I only EVER manage 1400 calorie plus burns on mountain hiking and those are ten plus mile treks that take over a day with altitudes of five or more miles up (one way).
In those instances I will celebrate and eat a WHOLE JAR if I damn well please
Other than those extreme work outs at 5' almost 3" and 129 pounds, female, and almost 40 years old,
i can never EVER burn more than seemingly 200 cals per hour MAYBE 300 if I work at max capacity hell maybe 400-500 at SUPER MAX capacity
but 1400 cal burn? that is an all day mountain climbing burn for me!
How do people get such enormous burns?
Envious
If I could burn like that I could eat more!!!!
Doesnt matter right now, doctor upper my topamax for my brain injury. I cant feel my appetite, forget to eat, can barely choke down 1000 cals past few days.
I have to get some shakes and donuts next shopping trip so when I do eat something it has some real calories in it, at least for a little while.
If that doesnt work I am going to have to set a "remember to eat" timer
I endurance cycle. A 65-100 mile ride, especially a hilly one, will burn a ton of calories...more than you can realistically eat back.0 -
andysport1 wrote: »Thanks Malibu for the link, awesome thread
Billieljaime, I have several jars of peanut butter on the go, I have 1 smooth, 1 nutty and 1 course one that's really dry it's gorgeous, quite difficult to eat 10g.
Yesterday I ate 1000 cals burned 1400 calories from exercise = how much peanut butter does that equate too ?
Am I reading this right? You're aiming for NEGATIVE calories per day????
1000 in, 1400 lost from exercise...what 1600+ lost from being...alive...for a negative 2000?0 -
Most people here say the given numbers are to high
I believe that too.
What i did to start with was log those to high calories. So say 600 for an given excercise.
From those i took 50% off ( too high) so 300 left and from those left 300 i could ( but mostly even didnt) eat back 150.
And i did fine with that, well great even
About a month ago i bought an polar watch FT7 ( 72 dollar on amazon)
More accurate But this is also always an estimate. After some research, most sites come out for HMR an overestimate of 20%.
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I have a £300 garmin with HRM sometime ago I used it while doing a extremely intensive swim club training session (lady next to me was an Olympic athlete) we covered approx. 4 miles of intervals in the 2 hour session it counted my burn as 4000 calories Hmmm !0
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billieljaime wrote: »shadow2soul wrote: »andysport1 wrote: »Thanks Malibu for the link, awesome thread
Billieljaime, I have several jars of peanut butter on the go, I have 1 smooth, 1 nutty and 1 course one that's really dry it's gorgeous, quite difficult to eat 10g.
Yesterday I ate 1000 cals burned 1400 calories from exercise = how much peanut butter does that equate too ?
Why on earth did you eat less than what is the lowest recommended calorie goal for women? I believe the low end for men is like 1500. :noway:
1400 calories is a little over 7 servings of PB.
I only EVER manage 1400 calorie plus burns on mountain hiking and those are ten plus mile treks that take over a day with altitudes of five or more miles up (one way).
In those instances I will celebrate and eat a WHOLE JAR if I damn well please
Other than those extreme work outs at 5' almost 3" and 129 pounds, female, and almost 40 years old,
i can never EVER burn more than seemingly 200 cals per hour MAYBE 300 if I work at max capacity hell maybe 400-500 at SUPER MAX capacity
but 1400 cal burn? that is an all day mountain climbing burn for me!
How do people get such enormous burns?
Envious
If I could burn like that I could eat more!!!!
Doesnt matter right now, doctor upper my topamax for my brain injury. I cant feel my appetite, forget to eat, can barely choke down 1000 cals past few days.
I have to get some shakes and donuts next shopping trip so when I do eat something it has some real calories in it, at least for a little while.
If that doesnt work I am going to have to set a "remember to eat" timer
I endurance cycle. A 65-100 mile ride, especially a hilly one, will burn a ton of calories...more than you can realistically eat back.
More than YOU can eat back....lol. I have no problem
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So you are guessing then?MomOfOneGirl1995 wrote: »TheOwlhouseDesigns wrote: »MomOfOneGirl1995 wrote: »andysport1 wrote: »MomOfOneGirl1995 wrote: »
where do you get your calories burned numbers from?
Most off here, the body pump & spinning from the guidance notes from the class provider using weight, intensity, HRM
Running as a guide is generally 100 cals per mile irrespective of the speed
From your question do you think otherwise ? If I'm getting it wrong I'd like to know.
the numbers on here are wrong most of the time...they are too high of a burn...just sayin'.
Than also explain to him why they are wrong.
um...I did...I said they are too high for what it should be. I would think it would be best to get a HRM for a little more accurate "count".
Not getting at you but there is a dreadful "group think" on here that gets repeated over and over but often just based on hearsay.
Sure some estimates sound fanciful but some are also based on well known and tested metrics.
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MFP is notorious for overestimating burns, thus most people only eat back half.0
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I've never had an exercise from the database be even remotely accurate...just sayin'.0
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MomOfOneGirl1995 wrote: »
So you are guessing then?MomOfOneGirl1995 wrote: »TheOwlhouseDesigns wrote: »MomOfOneGirl1995 wrote: »andysport1 wrote: »MomOfOneGirl1995 wrote: »
where do you get your calories burned numbers from?
Most off here, the body pump & spinning from the guidance notes from the class provider using weight, intensity, HRM
Running as a guide is generally 100 cals per mile irrespective of the speed
From your question do you think otherwise ? If I'm getting it wrong I'd like to know.
the numbers on here are wrong most of the time...they are too high of a burn...just sayin'.
Than also explain to him why they are wrong.
um...I did...I said they are too high for what it should be. I would think it would be best to get a HRM for a little more accurate "count".
Not getting at you but there is a dreadful "group think" on here that gets repeated over and over but often just based on hearsay.
Sure some estimates sound fanciful but some are also based on well known and tested metrics.
most sound fanciful...lol. I'll keep cutting MFP's numbers by AT LEAST a third when I log them. I'd rather not count on those #'s if I'm not burning that much.
Missed my point a bit - you don't actually know what the true number is.
In the end consistency beats accuracy anyway, if you are hitting your weight goal over time then your food logging and exercise logging is good enough.0 -
Has anyone got more accurate burns for
Running 10,9 & 8 min miles
Walking at 2mph & 3mph (I do this at work whilst doing other things)
Spinning class
Bodypump
I go hard in the classes0 -
billieljaime wrote: »shadow2soul wrote: »andysport1 wrote: »Thanks Malibu for the link, awesome thread
Billieljaime, I have several jars of peanut butter on the go, I have 1 smooth, 1 nutty and 1 course one that's really dry it's gorgeous, quite difficult to eat 10g.
Yesterday I ate 1000 cals burned 1400 calories from exercise = how much peanut butter does that equate too ?
Why on earth did you eat less than what is the lowest recommended calorie goal for women? I believe the low end for men is like 1500. :noway:
1400 calories is a little over 7 servings of PB.
I only EVER manage 1400 calorie plus burns on mountain hiking and those are ten plus mile treks that take over a day with altitudes of five or more miles up (one way).
In those instances I will celebrate and eat a WHOLE JAR if I damn well please
Other than those extreme work outs at 5' almost 3" and 129 pounds, female, and almost 40 years old,
i can never EVER burn more than seemingly 200 cals per hour MAYBE 300 if I work at max capacity hell maybe 400-500 at SUPER MAX capacity
but 1400 cal burn? that is an all day mountain climbing burn for me!
How do people get such enormous burns?
Envious
If I could burn like that I could eat more!!!!
Doesnt matter right now, doctor upper my topamax for my brain injury. I cant feel my appetite, forget to eat, can barely choke down 1000 cals past few days.
I have to get some shakes and donuts next shopping trip so when I do eat something it has some real calories in it, at least for a little while.
If that doesnt work I am going to have to set a "remember to eat" timer
I endurance cycle. A 65-100 mile ride, especially a hilly one, will burn a ton of calories...more than you can realistically eat back.
Challenge accepted.
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Which challenge doing the ride or eating the burn ?0
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billieljaime wrote: »shadow2soul wrote: »andysport1 wrote: »Thanks Malibu for the link, awesome thread
Billieljaime, I have several jars of peanut butter on the go, I have 1 smooth, 1 nutty and 1 course one that's really dry it's gorgeous, quite difficult to eat 10g.
Yesterday I ate 1000 cals burned 1400 calories from exercise = how much peanut butter does that equate too ?
Why on earth did you eat less than what is the lowest recommended calorie goal for women? I believe the low end for men is like 1500. :noway:
1400 calories is a little over 7 servings of PB.
I only EVER manage 1400 calorie plus burns on mountain hiking and those are ten plus mile treks that take over a day with altitudes of five or more miles up (one way).
In those instances I will celebrate and eat a WHOLE JAR if I damn well please
Other than those extreme work outs at 5' almost 3" and 129 pounds, female, and almost 40 years old,
i can never EVER burn more than seemingly 200 cals per hour MAYBE 300 if I work at max capacity hell maybe 400-500 at SUPER MAX capacity
but 1400 cal burn? that is an all day mountain climbing burn for me!
How do people get such enormous burns?
Envious
If I could burn like that I could eat more!!!!
Doesnt matter right now, doctor upper my topamax for my brain injury. I cant feel my appetite, forget to eat, can barely choke down 1000 cals past few days.
I have to get some shakes and donuts next shopping trip so when I do eat something it has some real calories in it, at least for a little while.
If that doesnt work I am going to have to set a "remember to eat" timer
I endurance cycle. A 65-100 mile ride, especially a hilly one, will burn a ton of calories...more than you can realistically eat back.
Challenge accepted.
It's not as glorious as it sounds. 100 miles you will burn about 3500 calories or so and takes between 5-7 hours depending on the person. Most cyclists consume about 500-700 calories per hour while cycling for energy.... I actually consume more than I burn during a ride....
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billieljaime wrote: »shadow2soul wrote: »andysport1 wrote: »Thanks Malibu for the link, awesome thread
Billieljaime, I have several jars of peanut butter on the go, I have 1 smooth, 1 nutty and 1 course one that's really dry it's gorgeous, quite difficult to eat 10g.
Yesterday I ate 1000 cals burned 1400 calories from exercise = how much peanut butter does that equate too ?
Why on earth did you eat less than what is the lowest recommended calorie goal for women? I believe the low end for men is like 1500. :noway:
1400 calories is a little over 7 servings of PB.
I only EVER manage 1400 calorie plus burns on mountain hiking and those are ten plus mile treks that take over a day with altitudes of five or more miles up (one way).
In those instances I will celebrate and eat a WHOLE JAR if I damn well please
Other than those extreme work outs at 5' almost 3" and 129 pounds, female, and almost 40 years old,
i can never EVER burn more than seemingly 200 cals per hour MAYBE 300 if I work at max capacity hell maybe 400-500 at SUPER MAX capacity
but 1400 cal burn? that is an all day mountain climbing burn for me!
How do people get such enormous burns?
Envious
If I could burn like that I could eat more!!!!
Doesnt matter right now, doctor upper my topamax for my brain injury. I cant feel my appetite, forget to eat, can barely choke down 1000 cals past few days.
I have to get some shakes and donuts next shopping trip so when I do eat something it has some real calories in it, at least for a little while.
If that doesnt work I am going to have to set a "remember to eat" timer
I endurance cycle. A 65-100 mile ride, especially a hilly one, will burn a ton of calories...more than you can realistically eat back.
Challenge accepted.
It's not as glorious as it sounds. 100 miles you will burn about 3500 calories or so and takes between 5-7 hours depending on the person. Most cyclists consume about 500-700 calories per hour while cycling for energy.... I actually consume more than I burn during a ride....
I was more accepting taking on the rider's burn in one sitting. More fun that way. I wasn't actually going to do the ride.... I ran 2 marathons, that's plenty for me.
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It's not as glorious as it sounds. 100 miles you will burn about 3500 calories or so and takes between 5-7 hours depending on the person. Most cyclists consume about 500-700 calories per hour while cycling for energy.... I actually consume more than I burn during a ride....
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You can eat 3500 calories whilst riding a bike ? Wow0 -
andysport1 wrote: »
It's not as glorious as it sounds. 100 miles you will burn about 3500 calories or so and takes between 5-7 hours depending on the person. Most cyclists consume about 500-700 calories per hour while cycling for energy.... I actually consume more than I burn during a ride....
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You can eat 3500 calories whilst riding a bike ? Wow[/quote]
It's mostly just water with supplements in it. Not much in the way of actual food.
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billieljaime wrote: »shadow2soul wrote: »andysport1 wrote: »Thanks Malibu for the link, awesome thread
Billieljaime, I have several jars of peanut butter on the go, I have 1 smooth, 1 nutty and 1 course one that's really dry it's gorgeous, quite difficult to eat 10g.
Yesterday I ate 1000 cals burned 1400 calories from exercise = how much peanut butter does that equate too ?
Why on earth did you eat less than what is the lowest recommended calorie goal for women? I believe the low end for men is like 1500. :noway:
1400 calories is a little over 7 servings of PB.
I only EVER manage 1400 calorie plus burns on mountain hiking and those are ten plus mile treks that take over a day with altitudes of five or more miles up (one way).
In those instances I will celebrate and eat a WHOLE JAR if I damn well please
Other than those extreme work outs at 5' almost 3" and 129 pounds, female, and almost 40 years old,
i can never EVER burn more than seemingly 200 cals per hour MAYBE 300 if I work at max capacity hell maybe 400-500 at SUPER MAX capacity
but 1400 cal burn? that is an all day mountain climbing burn for me!
How do people get such enormous burns?
Envious
If I could burn like that I could eat more!!!!
Doesnt matter right now, doctor upper my topamax for my brain injury. I cant feel my appetite, forget to eat, can barely choke down 1000 cals past few days.
I have to get some shakes and donuts next shopping trip so when I do eat something it has some real calories in it, at least for a little while.
If that doesnt work I am going to have to set a "remember to eat" timer
I endurance cycle. A 65-100 mile ride, especially a hilly one, will burn a ton of calories...more than you can realistically eat back.
Challenge accepted.
It's not as glorious as it sounds. 100 miles you will burn about 3500 calories or so and takes between 5-7 hours depending on the person. Most cyclists consume about 500-700 calories per hour while cycling for energy.... I actually consume more than I burn during a ride....
No one should be eating 500-700 calories per hour cycling. FeedZone Portables provides a great explanation of caloric needs during a ride based on your average ride speed and distance. I only consume around 150-200 calories per hour on a long ride. So I usually do end up netting around 3000 extra calories and then add my regular caloric needs in....that's a lot of food. I have hit the Indian buffet on occasion and managed to eat it back, but those are the only times. And since I switched to making my own ride food, I'm not very hungry after, so can't come close, so I just plan on going over on the days following. Highly recommend checking out the FeedZone Portables book.-1 -
Copy and pasted from another thread:
BMR (Basal Metabolic Rate): The number of calories you burn at complete rest.
EAT (Exercise Associated Thermogenesis): Caloric requirements of training, or training expenditure.
NEAT (Non Exercise Activity Thermogenesis): Caloric requirements of activity that is not planned exercise. Vacuuming, driving, brushing your teeth, for example.
TEF/DIT (Thermic Effect of Feeding or Diet Induced Thermogenesis): Caloric expense of eating/digestion.
TDEE: (Total Daily Energy Expenditure) = Sum of the above. BMR+EAT+NEAT+TEF
Exercise calories, as they are typically used in MFP specifically, is represented by EAT in the above definition. Whether or not you should eat your EAT (giggity) depends on what system or method you are using to calculate your intake needs.
If you are using most other online calculation tools to determine an intake estimate, that estimate is going to already include EAT as part of the suggested intake. For example, it will ask you an activity factor that includes an average of your exercise, and with this it increases your TDEE to account for the fact that you are exercising.
If you are using MFP to tell you how much to eat, that estimate is NOT going to include EAT as part of the intake estimate.
Myfitnesspal uses a caloric estimation tool that expects you to eat back calories burned during exercise.
Consequently, MFP will essentially give you a LOWER intake estimate than an external TDEE calculator would give you.
In other words:
You tell MFP: I'd like to lose 1lb/week.
MFP says: Hey, you should eat X calories every day to lose 1lb/week.
You then decide to exercise and you burn 400 calories.
MFP says: Hey you pecker, you said you wanted to lose 1lb/week. Now you need to eat X+400 because you told me you wanted to lose 1lb/week.
So based on this:
If you are using MFP to tell you how many calories to eat, you should probably be eating back some portion of your exercise calories.
If you are using an external calculator and then customizing your intake to match that, you should not be eating back your exercise calories.
Lastly: Exercise expenditure is often over-stated.
My general opinion is that it's much simpler and uses less guess-work to use a custom intake and just forget about the exercise calorie model entirely, but that's a different topic of sorts, more discussion of which can be found here: http://www.myfitnesspal.com/topics/show/819055-setting-your-calorie-and-macro-targets
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billieljaime wrote: »shadow2soul wrote: »andysport1 wrote: »Thanks Malibu for the link, awesome thread
Billieljaime, I have several jars of peanut butter on the go, I have 1 smooth, 1 nutty and 1 course one that's really dry it's gorgeous, quite difficult to eat 10g.
Yesterday I ate 1000 cals burned 1400 calories from exercise = how much peanut butter does that equate too ?
Why on earth did you eat less than what is the lowest recommended calorie goal for women? I believe the low end for men is like 1500. :noway:
1400 calories is a little over 7 servings of PB.
I only EVER manage 1400 calorie plus burns on mountain hiking and those are ten plus mile treks that take over a day with altitudes of five or more miles up (one way).
In those instances I will celebrate and eat a WHOLE JAR if I damn well please
Other than those extreme work outs at 5' almost 3" and 129 pounds, female, and almost 40 years old,
i can never EVER burn more than seemingly 200 cals per hour MAYBE 300 if I work at max capacity hell maybe 400-500 at SUPER MAX capacity
but 1400 cal burn? that is an all day mountain climbing burn for me!
How do people get such enormous burns?
I think I did when I ran a half marathon and then rode my bike for a while afterwards to help not get stiff.
Doesn't really work as an everyday thing, though.
I'm 5'3, 129, and 45, however. ;-)0 -
andysport1 wrote: »Has anyone got more accurate burns for
Running 10,9 & 8 min miles
Walking at 2mph & 3mph (I do this at work whilst doing other things)
Spinning class
Bodypump
I go hard in the classes
The rough math for running and walking is based on weight * distance * caloric constant
For walking .. net calories .3 * weight in pounds * distance in miles
running ... net calories .63 * weight in pounds * distance in miles
http://www.runnersworld.com/weight-loss/how-many-calories-are-you-really-burning?page=single0
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