Mediterranean / Paleo Life Style Change

CookNLift

Hey Everyone, I haven't gotten around to introducing myself yet but my name's Ed, and I'm 25 years old. I work two jobs and go to school full time - needless to say I don't have much time to do anything lol.

Anyways - I was looking into a new lifestyle change (because the words diet plan only mean a temporary solution, and I'm looking to not only get into shape, but to stay in shape and to better myself as a whole). I went around and felt that a lot of diets and nutrition plans are rather unrealistic for anyone who is super busy, because it's a pain to have to count your calories and carb intake 24/7 when you have a million other things to do.

**Trying to keep this short**

I wanted to see what others may have to say about my new venture into a theory I believe will work for weight loss, muscle building, and bettering my health. I want to use food guidelines alongside with the Mediterranean and Paleo Diet(s) as a foundation for my food pyramid, and portion control myself to start with the use of Weight Watchers; after I feel comfortable, I will just portion control myself as I see fit.

I feel that the Mediterranean Diet is ideal for living a long and healthy life, but the Paleo diet focuses on what is bad for you and eliminating it. I simply don't agree that carbs and grains should be completely eliminated (hence the hybrid)

What do you all think? I will post a meal plan next week per day as a way of keeping track and getting criticism, so it can motivate me.

CookNLift

**bumpity bump**

jenpie1987

Your "hybroid" is pretty much spot on with what I'm doing. I, too, feel that completely cutting out carbs is unhealthy.
Good luck with your journey!!! It's hard when you're so busy - I just recently jumped back on the wagon with this stuff. I didn't have sugar for a little over a year and then I got married in March, had a piece of cake and it's been an 18 pound shameful downward spiral ever since. I started back up on Tuesday and so far so good!

bcattoes

Honestly I don't see how you would marry the Mediterranean and Paleo diets, since one is plant based with a recommendation for many legumes and whole grains and the other basically thinks these things are poison.

But both do recommend focusing on whole natural foods, and it's hard to argue that being a good thing.

DesdemonaRose

I think something in the middle would probably work out well. The paleo groups don't all agree on what the bad carbs are with maybe an exception of Gluten products. If you stay in the 200ish Carb range and avoided gluten you would be close enough to both. A lot of people misunderstand Paleo as being a diet in which you just eat slabs of meat all day. That is not true. They just try to eliminate processed food and possibly bad for you natural foods. Not all agree on what those are though. I take some info from various Paleo diet people but I am not 100%. I, for one thing, refuse to give up dairy

There is a diet called, "The Perfect Health Food Diet," that is probably close to what you want, if you want a single diet guide. They allow rice and more carbs that most Paleo groups. I think there limit is 300 grams which is pretty close to what the FDA recommends for a 2k calorie diet.

I don't follow any one diet though, I figure the chances that one group has it all right are pretty slim.

bikermike5094

maybe more or a primal/paleo would be better suited? I'm more primal because i do allow some dairy and other items into my diet. Even some grains on occasion.

LAW_714

After a great deal of reading, I've settled on something somewhat close to (but not exactly) paleo, largely because I've yet to be convinced that there's a great need to fear legumes simply for being legumes or that dairy should be largely avoided, so I don't don't fully follow those restrictions. That said, sticking to eating veggies, fish, eggs, meats, fruits, and nuts while avoiding processed refined carbs (i.e. flours and refined sugars) makes a lot of sense to me both nutritionally and in the way that it works biologically, so I've been going with that and (fingers crossed) it's been working so far.

CookNLift

My reason behind Paleo is to focus on eating grass fed meats, and trying to eliminate flour and gluten as much as possible, dairy may not be something good for you (i.e. we are the only species that consume milk from another species after our milk feeding phase as children) but consuming cereal every once in a while, having coffee, or eating a yogurt are things I feel that are necessities in my everyday (I would drink black coffee if I had time to make it myself, but drinking starbucks or dunkin coffee black is abysmal), plus greek yogurt is one of my key snack/breakfast items to increase my fiber/protein intake, that keeps me full.

I am trying to cut out eating rice as a main part of a meal, I can't eliminate rice all together, however, because every once in a while, I have a big craving for it, and opt for brown rice if I'm feeling guilty. Essentially I am implementing a lot of avocado, spinach, lentils, quinoa, barley, farrow, veggies, and steel cut oats as my go to fillers, which I think are all pretty healthy.

Another aspect of the Mediterranean diet that I love is how they have a positive view on how people enjoy consuming alcohol on occasion, and even go as far as adding the allowance of a glass of wine once a day (if you want - I personally work too much to be able to enjoy a glass of wine at 9:30 at night after I've been at work since 7 am).

I am worried mainly about my portion size calculations in MFP, with steel cut oats or any grains that I boil. If I cook 1/3 cup of steel cut oats, I get almost a cup cooked - is the calorie intake based upon the cooked or uncooked measurement?

CookNLift

I don't enjoy the primal/paleo diets as a general only diet plan, mainly because:
1. Eating a lot of grass fed meat only, can get extremely expensive
2. Good Carbohydrates produce long term energy, which is something I greatly need. I will wear out and be hungry most of the day when I am only eating protein, unless I try and supplement with peanut butter or pistachio butter.

I also don't know how I would feel about only eating protein and minimizing carbs, because realistically carbs are necessary in today's human diet, the processed ones may be bad for you but the good ones help promote energy and metabolism stimulation.

I do have to admit that eating Wild Game, may be something I adapt into my diet, primarily because of how lean and tasty some of the meat is, with little need for seasoning or doctoring. (Craving Venison Now)

neanderthin

I don't enjoy the primal/paleo diets as a general only diet plan, mainly because:
1. Eating a lot of grass fed meat only, can get extremely expensive
2. Good Carbohydrates produce long term energy, which is something I greatly need. I will wear out and be hungry most of the day when I am only eating protein, unless I try and supplement with peanut butter or pistachio butter.

I also don't know how I would feel about only eating protein and minimizing carbs, because realistically carbs are necessary in today's human diet, the processed ones may be bad for you but the good ones help promote energy and metabolism stimulation.

I do have to admit that eating Wild Game, may be something I adapt into my diet, primarily because of how lean and tasty some of the meat is, with little need for seasoning or doctoring. (Craving Venison Now)

Paleo has nothing to do with the amount of carbs consumed, even though many guru's promote it that way. Anyway picking a diet based on limited information is why you don't know what to do as far as diet is concerned. The Med diet isn't even accurately portrayed and you really would need to live there to understand shy they live healtheir........little to do with the food, although they generally eat whole foods. Why not just pick a variety of whole foods, assuming that's the point of this post, and design a diet around that.

CookNLift

I don't enjoy the primal/paleo diets as a general only diet plan, mainly because:
1. Eating a lot of grass fed meat only, can get extremely expensive
2. Good Carbohydrates produce long term energy, which is something I greatly need. I will wear out and be hungry most of the day when I am only eating protein, unless I try and supplement with peanut butter or pistachio butter.

I also don't know how I would feel about only eating protein and minimizing carbs, because realistically carbs are necessary in today's human diet, the processed ones may be bad for you but the good ones help promote energy and metabolism stimulation.

I do have to admit that eating Wild Game, may be something I adapt into my diet, primarily because of how lean and tasty some of the meat is, with little need for seasoning or doctoring. (Craving Venison Now)

Paleo has nothing to do with the amount of carbs consumed, even though many guru's promote it that way. Anyway picking a diet based on limited information is why you don't know what to do as far as diet is concerned. The Med diet isn't even accurately portrayed and you really would need to live there to understand shy they live healtheir........little to do with the food, although they generally eat whole foods. Why not just pick a variety of whole foods, assuming that's the point of this post, and design a diet around that.

I wasn't talking about the carbs consumed, but rather the limitations of foods that are considered carbs (i.e. bread, legumes, rice etc.) so in a large way, they do have a lot of say on whether or not you can have a lot of carbs since most of the carbs you will consume will come from vegetables.

I am using the Mediterranean diet as a basis purely because it promotes the consumption of fresh, wild caught fish (which I benefit from since I get fish fresh from the Fulton Fish Market) with limitations on red meat/sugars, and essentially cutting out the consumption of many processed flours and grains (white rice, pasta, white/plain bread) while substituting with fresh market vegetables and utilizing extra virgin olive oil as a substitute for butter (obviously not using a large portion). It may not have a bunch of information on it, but the food pyramid seems to agree with my theory for eating healthy that avoids me starving myself.

It may not accurately portray the Mediterranean diet, but I do have many friends from the Middle East/Mediterranean bordering countries that shared with me a boat load of family recipes that gave me a guideline for how to set up my Mediterranean meal plans (i.e. using spices, herbs, and fresh ingredients without using many processed salts/additive seasonings to flavor meat and fish, and mainly roasting/grilling meat and steaming/grilling fish whole.) My favorite additive is a Moroccan condiment called Harissa, which is essentially tomato paste, garlic, and tons of red peppers slow cooked with a little bit of olive oil. So you are correct, its not the food they eat, but rather the portion control / lack of "contamination" to fresh ingredients. I noticed they all also eat fresh fruit and eat salad after every meal to help digest, which is something I thought was pretty interesting.

I am unsure as what you mean as "whole foods", I hope you answer back so I can better understand the last part of your post to reference it into my theory.

CookNLift

dairy may not be something good for you (i.e. we are the only species that consume milk from another species after our milk feeding phase as children)

No we're not.

Thanks for the fantastic addition to the conversation it was very thorough and insightful.

pcastagner

Eating real food isn't that hard. You don't need to be paleo, you just need a bit of planning. And learn modular cooking if you are busy.

Modular means you prepare a bunch of basics and recombine them during the week to make meals.


If you need help with that I can give you some tips, but it will involve brown rice (I freeze it in patties, it comes out perfect in the microwave or toasted in a pan).

CookNLift

"What type of insight on your incorrect statement were you looking for? Should I have my cat write a thesis on his love for milk?"

Try elaborating or adding to the conversation rather than posting a minute contradicting statement. This topic is about my plans of the diet, not someone poking about a single little misstatement. I wasn't here for someone to correct me on my biology knowledge with a simple statement. I'll take things into consideration and take back my statements if someone explains it a bit, but a blunt comment like that is rather rude.

Maybe if you simply gave me some info on why dairy IS good for you (aside form calcium and vitamins) it would have been better received. If your cat wrote me a thesis statement on his love for milk, hopefully it won't be as rude as your comments.

Thanks anyway, I will remit my former statement because I simply forgot that cats drink milk, because I was basing my presumption on the knowledge I do know that a large portion of adult cats are, in fact, lactose intolerant.

pcastagner

"What type of insight on your incorrect statement were you looking for? Should I have my cat write a thesis on his love for milk?"

Try elaborating or adding to the conversation rather than posting a minute contradicting statement. This topic is about my plans of the diet, not someone poking about a single little misstatement. I wasn't here for someone to correct me on my biology knowledge with a simple statement. I'll take things into consideration and take back my statements if someone explains it a bit, but a blunt comment like that is rather rude.

Maybe if you simply gave me some info on why dairy IS good for you (aside form calcium and vitamins) it would have been better received. If your cat wrote me a thesis statement on his love for milk, hopefully it won't be as rude as your comments.

Thanks anyway, I will remit my former statement because I simply forgot that cats drink milk, because I was basing my presumption on the knowledge I do know that a large portion of adult cats are, in fact, lactose intolerant.

If you produce tons of lactase, like me, dairy is good.

If you don't, do your loved ones a favor and avoid it.


Do you want help with losing weight? Or what?

CookNLift

Indeed. Apologies, I don't mind constructive criticism but short answers throw me through a loop lol.

How do you find out about lactose production? I read a handful of nutrition textbooks and they seem to revolve around milk inhibiting weight loss so I always try to keep it to a minimum. Should I be okay drinking it in coffee and cereal? Not to sure about how milk affects weight loss side from the nutrition facts.

Thanks for the help...I really want to iron out the holes in my theory.

pcastagner

Indeed. Apologies, I don't mind constructive criticism but short answers throw me through a loop lol.

How do you find out about lactose production? I read a handful of nutrition textbooks and they seem to revolve around milk inhibiting weight loss so I always try to keep it to a minimum. Should I be okay drinking it in coffee and cereal? Not to sure about how milk affects weight loss side from the nutrition facts.

Thanks for the help...I really want to iron out the holes in my theory.

Not lactose, lactase. It's the missing enzyme in lactose intolerant people. I make it in spades, and as you can see from my diary I have no issues from cheese and ice cream. I dont drink mich milk and i like my coffee black. I lost my first 35 lbs eating cottage cheese every day.


The best thing I can advise is not to worry about what you eat, other than keeping protein high.

Next on the list after high protein is keeping your meal prep simple, which means do most of the work on your rest day, which means preparing lots of simple things and then recombining them with maybe just one thing you have to prepare per day. The result is plenty of variety, easily measured portions, and no temptation to say ****it I'll just get McDonald's because I just worked out.

You'll see, by working this way you will settle on what works for you, because you will be able to observe the effects of your food. If grains hold you back, don't eat them, but if you are like me and do great on bread and cheese and whatever, there is no reason to worry about cavemen or other species.

Syriene

I didn't want to give up grains at first either, but after discovering how much better I feel without them, I avoid them as much as possible now. My joints don't hurt and my headaches are gone. By giving these different meal plans a shot, I'm sure you will find something that works for you. No one says you have to follow them to the letter. Alter them as you see fit.

CookNLift

Indeed. Apologies, I don't mind constructive criticism but short answers throw me through a loop lol.

How do you find out about lactose production? I read a handful of nutrition textbooks and they seem to revolve around milk inhibiting weight loss so I always try to keep it to a minimum. Should I be okay drinking it in coffee and cereal? Not to sure about how milk affects weight loss side from the nutrition facts.

Thanks for the help...I really want to iron out the holes in my theory.

Not lactose, lactase. It's the missing enzyme in lactose intolerant people. I make it in spades, and as you can see from my diary I have no issues from cheese and ice cream. I dont drink mich milk and i like my coffee black. I lost my first 35 lbs eating cottage cheese every day.


The best thing I can advise is not to worry about what you eat, other than keeping protein high.

Next on the list after high protein is keeping your meal prep simple, which means do most of the work on your rest day, which means preparing lots of simple things and then recombining them with maybe just one thing you have to prepare per day. The result is plenty of variety, easily measured portions, and no temptation to say ****it I'll just get McDonald's because I just worked out.

You'll see, by working this way you will settle on what works for you, because you will be able to observe the effects of your food. If grains hold you back, don't eat them, but if you are like me and do great on bread and cheese and whatever, there is no reason to worry about cavemen or other species.

How many ounces of protein should I aim for with a 1400 to 1500 calorie diet [mines been low around 1300 per day] I eat a lot of lentils and beans and add a small amount of quinoa or half an avocado with lunch and dinner.

Ill have to try doing the prepping on my rest day but it's hard since I'm only off of work on Sundays lol. Thank you!

neanderthin

I don't enjoy the primal/paleo diets as a general only diet plan, mainly because:
1. Eating a lot of grass fed meat only, can get extremely expensive
2. Good Carbohydrates produce long term energy, which is something I greatly need. I will wear out and be hungry most of the day when I am only eating protein, unless I try and supplement with peanut butter or pistachio butter.

I also don't know how I would feel about only eating protein and minimizing carbs, because realistically carbs are necessary in today's human diet, the processed ones may be bad for you but the good ones help promote energy and metabolism stimulation.

I do have to admit that eating Wild Game, may be something I adapt into my diet, primarily because of how lean and tasty some of the meat is, with little need for seasoning or doctoring. (Craving Venison Now)

Paleo has nothing to do with the amount of carbs consumed, even though many guru's promote it that way. Anyway picking a diet based on limited information is why you don't know what to do as far as diet is concerned. The Med diet isn't even accurately portrayed and you really would need to live there to understand shy they live healtheir........little to do with the food, although they generally eat whole foods. Why not just pick a variety of whole foods, assuming that's the point of this post, and design a diet around that.

I wasn't talking about the carbs consumed, but rather the limitations of foods that are considered carbs (i.e. bread, legumes, rice etc.) so in a large way, they do have a lot of say on whether or not you can have a lot of carbs since most of the carbs you will consume will come from vegetables.

I am using the Mediterranean diet as a basis purely because it promotes the consumption of fresh, wild caught fish (which I benefit from since I get fish fresh from the Fulton Fish Market) with limitations on red meat/sugars, and essentially cutting out the consumption of many processed flours and grains (white rice, pasta, white/plain bread) while substituting with fresh market vegetables and utilizing extra virgin olive oil as a substitute for butter (obviously not using a large portion). It may not have a bunch of information on it, but the food pyramid seems to agree with my theory for eating healthy that avoids me starving myself.

It may not accurately portray the Mediterranean diet, but I do have many friends from the Middle East/Mediterranean bordering countries that shared with me a boat load of family recipes that gave me a guideline for how to set up my Mediterranean meal plans (i.e. using spices, herbs, and fresh ingredients without using many processed salts/additive seasonings to flavor meat and fish, and mainly roasting/grilling meat and steaming/grilling fish whole.) My favorite additive is a Moroccan condiment called Harissa, which is essentially tomato paste, garlic, and tons of red peppers slow cooked with a little bit of olive oil. So you are correct, its not the food they eat, but rather the portion control / lack of "contamination" to fresh ingredients. I noticed they all also eat fresh fruit and eat salad after every meal to help digest, which is something I thought was pretty interesting.

I am unsure as what you mean as "whole foods", I hope you answer back so I can better understand the last part of your post to reference it into my theory.

I presumed you meant the amount of carbs (see my emphasis above). As far as the Med diet is concerned, all of their methodology is based on tradition and associated with their geographical and historical customs. While olive oil may be prominent in the Med region some regions will also use lots of butter and lard, again based on their local customs, many will consume little seafood and consume more lamb, water buffalo, goat, chicken and the go to dairy is also goat...........pretty much everyone consumes wheat in the form of pasta and the Middle east like their cous cous, another pasta, lots of preserved meats and cheeses and of course all the plant food indigenous to their regions. Contrary to popular belief there are lots of animal proteins consumed other than fish in that region.

Whole foods are foods that are basically recognizable and need no further description, ingredient list, nutritional wrangling like asparagus, eggs, fish etc, Dairy if fine if you can tolerated it and all the byproducts that are so friken delicious, again made through the Med.

Like I said, picking whole foods and making them the backbone of any diet is a solid approach, which includes all of the unrefined oils like olive, avocado, walnut, ghee, butter, duck fat, lard, palm, coconut are all acceptable in my opinion and of course always allow for discretionary calories, so your friends won't think your an alien when you show up and in and out burger.

CookNLift

I didn't want to give up grains at first either, but after discovering how much better I feel without them, I avoid them as much as possible now. My joints don't hurt and my headaches are gone. By giving these different meal plans a shot, I'm sure you will find something that works for you. No one says you have to follow them to the letter. Alter them as you see fit.

which grains did you give up? I wanna limit my grain intake a little but not completely but forget how to determine what are grains and what aren't. Like quinoa or oats for example. ... lol still don't know what they are really

pcastagner

Indeed. Apologies, I don't mind constructive criticism but short answers throw me through a loop lol.

How do you find out about lactose production? I read a handful of nutrition textbooks and they seem to revolve around milk inhibiting weight loss so I always try to keep it to a minimum. Should I be okay drinking it in coffee and cereal? Not to sure about how milk affects weight loss side from the nutrition facts.

Thanks for the help...I really want to iron out the holes in my theory.

Not lactose, lactase. It's the missing enzyme in lactose intolerant people. I make it in spades, and as you can see from my diary I have no issues from cheese and ice cream. I dont drink mich milk and i like my coffee black. I lost my first 35 lbs eating cottage cheese every day.


The best thing I can advise is not to worry about what you eat, other than keeping protein high.

Next on the list after high protein is keeping your meal prep simple, which means do most of the work on your rest day, which means preparing lots of simple things and then recombining them with maybe just one thing you have to prepare per day. The result is plenty of variety, easily measured portions, and no temptation to say ****it I'll just get McDonald's because I just worked out.

You'll see, by working this way you will settle on what works for you, because you will be able to observe the effects of your food. If grains hold you back, don't eat them, but if you are like me and do great on bread and cheese and whatever, there is no reason to worry about cavemen or other species.

How many ounces of protein should I aim for with a 1400 to 1500 calorie diet [mines been low around 1300 per day] I eat a lot of lentils and beans and add a small amount of quinoa or half an avocado with lunch and dinner.

Ill have to try doing the prepping on my rest day but it's hard since I'm only off of work on Sundays lol. Thank you!

Big pot of sticky brown rice. Divide into portions, wrap, and freeze.

YouTube Heston Blumental for meat and eggs (he teaches you to use much lower temps). Do a dozen eggs at a time. Low temp roast a chicken, low temp roast some beef or pork (like, a lot). Keep the meat unflavored so you can flavor it later. It's cooked at such low temps you don't need to watch it constantly. You can go out or whatever. Don't brown it, you can do that as you reheat.

Now all you need to do is make a veggie dish every day. Keep kimchi around for when you are too tired for that, learn to love raw veggies and fruit.

If you do eat pasta, carbonara is super easy to make.


Protein - shoot for .75-1.5 g per pound of lean body mass.

On rest days I eat lots of veggies
On workout days I eat lots of fruit.

dorianaldyn

Personally, I've transitioned to a 100% plant-based diet, primarily for health reasons. I believe avoiding animal proteins and animal fats is the best diet for my long term health and, honestly, it sits better with me ethically too. The transition was easier than I thought it would be and I feel great (despite putting some serious demands on my system - like training for and running my first marathon).

I know 100% plant-based is not for everyone - so generally whenever I see anyone make a concerted effort to move away from processed foods, to more whole, natural foods, I'm happy!

Take some time to figure out what works for you. Food is a very personal thing; everyone will try to convince you why their method is best. That's fine for gathering ideas, but when it comes down to it, you'll just need to figure out what is best for you.

CookNLift

@neanderthin - I see exactly what you mean and I agree completely, I will definitely focus on more whole foods and stay away from processed and refined foods that I believe the body has a harder time metabolizing. I eat an apple before breakfast and lunch, half an avocado for breakfast and dinner, and try to cook proteins, legumes, veggies, and lentils as simply and tasty as I can (thank god I've been working as a chef for the last few years). I feel that I have so much more energy throughout the day, and feel a lot better too. I noticed that the Mediterranean diet has a lot of olive oil in it, and I noticed that although it is good for you, it must be consumed in moderation. I like making new middle eastern / ancient roman recipes using my whole food guidelines. I recently picked up the Apicius (Ancient Roman Recipes) wherein they use Garum (fish sauce) to salt their food, which I have been using lately as well as the recipes. Damn near impossible to find Lovage in the states though lol.

@pcastagner - To avoid the extremely long quotes I'm replying here. I like the ideas about slow cooking and cooking at low temperatures, it will make it much easier for me to prep, and utilize my crockpot. Thank god I love raw veggies now anyway, and if they are cooked, I keep them al dente, so I get some crunch to em. Only thing I'm confused about is how to figure out my lean body mass. Thank You!

@dorianaldyn - I was a vegetarian for about a year, and although it was good, I found myself craving meat way too much and eating the unhealthy meat substitutes in order to satiate my cravings. The change to whole un processed foods is my favorite method so far, I notice that my energy levels are up, and I don't feel sluggish. I still have an occasional rice cake or store bought sushi, but the change to a healthier lifestyle change has already been noticed after a week. I've never had so much energy!

pcastagner

To figure lean body mass (not precisely but close enough to track progress), purchase a cheap set of body fat calipers. Scooby has a video on his site and a calculator that is pretty good. Just google scooby and body fat.

Legumes - long soaking is pretty important! I do 48 hours with many changes of water. This removes most of the stuff paleo types warn against. Brown rice also benefits from a long soak, at least 24 hours.

Slow cooking - crock pot is great, but it's gonna be wet heat. Oven is where it's at when it comes to roasting. You will get the most intense flavor from roasting, but the trade off is no broth. Typical example is a beef roast. I will brine it over night in an herb infused brine with 60g salt per liter of water, then roast at 70c wrapped in foil for about 12 hours. Easy enough to throw two roasts in there. If I'm trying to run a deficit I avoid whole chicken because it is harder to track.


If you do this right, your homemade meals will be almost as easy as processed foods. Health is great and all, but to me the most important differences are how it tastes and accuracy of calorie counts.

bcattoes

"What type of insight on your incorrect statement were you looking for? Should I have my cat write a thesis on his love for milk?"

Try elaborating or adding to the conversation rather than posting a minute contradicting statement. This topic is about my plans of the diet, not someone poking about a single little misstatement. I wasn't here for someone to correct me on my biology knowledge with a simple statement. I'll take things into consideration and take back my statements if someone explains it a bit, but a blunt comment like that is rather rude.

Maybe if you simply gave me some info on why dairy IS good for you (aside form calcium and vitamins) it would have been better received. If your cat wrote me a thesis statement on his love for milk, hopefully it won't be as rude as your comments.

Thanks anyway, I will remit my former statement because I simply forgot that cats drink milk, because I was basing my presumption on the knowledge I do know that a large portion of adult cats are, in fact, lactose intolerant.

I never said dairy is good for you. I think that is a debatable topic. But it has nothing to do with humans being the only animals that drink milk after being weaned, which we are not. And even if we were I don't see how that would be a factor in determining whether it was good for us. There are a number of diet related things that only humans do, some are healthy and some are not.

Aside from the calcium and vitamins I doubt dairy does have much to offer from a health perspective other than calories. Nutrients and calories are why we need food.

pcastagner

"What type of insight on your incorrect statement were you looking for? Should I have my cat write a thesis on his love for milk?"

Try elaborating or adding to the conversation rather than posting a minute contradicting statement. This topic is about my plans of the diet, not someone poking about a single little misstatement. I wasn't here for someone to correct me on my biology knowledge with a simple statement. I'll take things into consideration and take back my statements if someone explains it a bit, but a blunt comment like that is rather rude.

Maybe if you simply gave me some info on why dairy IS good for you (aside form calcium and vitamins) it would have been better received. If your cat wrote me a thesis statement on his love for milk, hopefully it won't be as rude as your comments.

Thanks anyway, I will remit my former statement because I simply forgot that cats drink milk, because I was basing my presumption on the knowledge I do know that a large portion of adult cats are, in fact, lactose intolerant.

I never said dairy is good for you. I think that is a debatable topic. But it has nothing to do with humans being the only animals that drink milk after being weaned, which we are not. And even if we were I don't see how that would be a factor in determining whether it was good for us. There are a number of diet related things that only humans do, some are healthy and some are not.

Aside from the calcium and vitamins I doubt dairy does have much to offer from a health perspective other than calories. Nutrients and calories are why we need food.

Dairy is also a nice source of fats, a bit of protein, lactose (an awesome carb), and most of all tasty goodness!

It's also a really good medium for lactobacillus and other microbes that are very important for gut flora.

bcattoes

"What type of insight on your incorrect statement were you looking for? Should I have my cat write a thesis on his love for milk?"

Try elaborating or adding to the conversation rather than posting a minute contradicting statement. This topic is about my plans of the diet, not someone poking about a single little misstatement. I wasn't here for someone to correct me on my biology knowledge with a simple statement. I'll take things into consideration and take back my statements if someone explains it a bit, but a blunt comment like that is rather rude.

Maybe if you simply gave me some info on why dairy IS good for you (aside form calcium and vitamins) it would have been better received. If your cat wrote me a thesis statement on his love for milk, hopefully it won't be as rude as your comments.

Thanks anyway, I will remit my former statement because I simply forgot that cats drink milk, because I was basing my presumption on the knowledge I do know that a large portion of adult cats are, in fact, lactose intolerant.

I never said dairy is good for you. I think that is a debatable topic. But it has nothing to do with humans being the only animals that drink milk after being weaned, which we are not. And even if we were I don't see how that would be a factor in determining whether it was good for us. There are a number of diet related things that only humans do, some are healthy and some are not.

Aside from the calcium and vitamins I doubt dairy does have much to offer from a health perspective other than calories. Nutrients and calories are why we need food.

Dairy is also a nice source of fats, a bit of protein, lactose (an awesome carb), and most of all tasty goodness!

It's also a really good medium for lactobacillus and other microbes that are very important for gut flora.

There are many nutrition experts that would argue that dairy fat is not a healthy fat. Taste is another issue, and the main one reason I don't care to form much opinion about dairy. I'm not a big fan of the taste of dairy, other than cheese.

pcastagner

"What type of insight on your incorrect statement were you looking for? Should I have my cat write a thesis on his love for milk?"

Try elaborating or adding to the conversation rather than posting a minute contradicting statement. This topic is about my plans of the diet, not someone poking about a single little misstatement. I wasn't here for someone to correct me on my biology knowledge with a simple statement. I'll take things into consideration and take back my statements if someone explains it a bit, but a blunt comment like that is rather rude.

Maybe if you simply gave me some info on why dairy IS good for you (aside form calcium and vitamins) it would have been better received. If your cat wrote me a thesis statement on his love for milk, hopefully it won't be as rude as your comments.

Thanks anyway, I will remit my former statement because I simply forgot that cats drink milk, because I was basing my presumption on the knowledge I do know that a large portion of adult cats are, in fact, lactose intolerant.

I never said dairy is good for you. I think that is a debatable topic. But it has nothing to do with humans being the only animals that drink milk after being weaned, which we are not. And even if we were I don't see how that would be a factor in determining whether it was good for us. There are a number of diet related things that only humans do, some are healthy and some are not.

Aside from the calcium and vitamins I doubt dairy does have much to offer from a health perspective other than calories. Nutrients and calories are why we need food.

Dairy is also a nice source of fats, a bit of protein, lactose (an awesome carb), and most of all tasty goodness!

It's also a really good medium for lactobacillus and other microbes that are very important for gut flora.

There are many nutrition experts that would argue that dairy fat is not a healthy fat. Taste is another issue, and the main one reason I don't care to form much opinion about dairy. I'm not a big fan of the taste of dairy, other than cheese.

Yeah, I've read some of that. But it's not a consensus by any means, and the whole gut flora thing is kind of destroying a lot of the old dogma.

bcattoes

"What type of insight on your incorrect statement were you looking for? Should I have my cat write a thesis on his love for milk?"

Try elaborating or adding to the conversation rather than posting a minute contradicting statement. This topic is about my plans of the diet, not someone poking about a single little misstatement. I wasn't here for someone to correct me on my biology knowledge with a simple statement. I'll take things into consideration and take back my statements if someone explains it a bit, but a blunt comment like that is rather rude.

Maybe if you simply gave me some info on why dairy IS good for you (aside form calcium and vitamins) it would have been better received. If your cat wrote me a thesis statement on his love for milk, hopefully it won't be as rude as your comments.

Thanks anyway, I will remit my former statement because I simply forgot that cats drink milk, because I was basing my presumption on the knowledge I do know that a large portion of adult cats are, in fact, lactose intolerant.

I never said dairy is good for you. I think that is a debatable topic. But it has nothing to do with humans being the only animals that drink milk after being weaned, which we are not. And even if we were I don't see how that would be a factor in determining whether it was good for us. There are a number of diet related things that only humans do, some are healthy and some are not.

Aside from the calcium and vitamins I doubt dairy does have much to offer from a health perspective other than calories. Nutrients and calories are why we need food.

Dairy is also a nice source of fats, a bit of protein, lactose (an awesome carb), and most of all tasty goodness!

It's also a really good medium for lactobacillus and other microbes that are very important for gut flora.

There are many nutrition experts that would argue that dairy fat is not a healthy fat. Taste is another issue, and the main one reason I don't care to form much opinion about dairy. I'm not a big fan of the taste of dairy, other than cheese.

Yeah, I've read some of that. But it's not a consensus by any means, and the whole gut flora thing is kind of destroying a lot of the old dogma.

No, certianly not a consensus (few things diet related are) and why I said it was debatable. There are other ways to get probiotics, so I don't see that being a huge factor in the debate, though.

pcastagner

"What type of insight on your incorrect statement were you looking for? Should I have my cat write a thesis on his love for milk?"

Try elaborating or adding to the conversation rather than posting a minute contradicting statement. This topic is about my plans of the diet, not someone poking about a single little misstatement. I wasn't here for someone to correct me on my biology knowledge with a simple statement. I'll take things into consideration and take back my statements if someone explains it a bit, but a blunt comment like that is rather rude.

Maybe if you simply gave me some info on why dairy IS good for you (aside form calcium and vitamins) it would have been better received. If your cat wrote me a thesis statement on his love for milk, hopefully it won't be as rude as your comments.

Thanks anyway, I will remit my former statement because I simply forgot that cats drink milk, because I was basing my presumption on the knowledge I do know that a large portion of adult cats are, in fact, lactose intolerant.

I never said dairy is good for you. I think that is a debatable topic. But it has nothing to do with humans being the only animals that drink milk after being weaned, which we are not. And even if we were I don't see how that would be a factor in determining whether it was good for us. There are a number of diet related things that only humans do, some are healthy and some are not.

Aside from the calcium and vitamins I doubt dairy does have much to offer from a health perspective other than calories. Nutrients and calories are why we need food.

Dairy is also a nice source of fats, a bit of protein, lactose (an awesome carb), and most of all tasty goodness!

It's also a really good medium for lactobacillus and other microbes that are very important for gut flora.

There are many nutrition experts that would argue that dairy fat is not a healthy fat. Taste is another issue, and the main one reason I don't care to form much opinion about dairy. I'm not a big fan of the taste of dairy, other than cheese.

Yeah, I've read some of that. But it's not a consensus by any means, and the whole gut flora thing is kind of destroying a lot of the old dogma.

No, certianly not a consensus (few things diet related are) and why I said it was debatable. There are other ways to get probiotics, so I don't see that being a huge factor in the debate, though.

Yes there are other ways and I loves me some kimchi and fresh sauerkraut, and other homemade fermented things.

But dairy seems to help the bacteria survive the stomach.

To me, the fact that there are other options means I eat those too, not instead of.