Heart Rate Monitors for intervals & weight lifting

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  • Bry_Fitness70
    Bry_Fitness70 Posts: 2,480 Member
    jacksonpt wrote: »
    I've done some HR training as well (triathlete).

    Cool - I think I'm doing an Olympic triathlon this summer (my 1st), can't wait!
  • bingfit221
    bingfit221 Posts: 105 Member
    edited January 2015
    MeanderingMammal wrote: »
    bingfit221 wrote: »
    .....when it comes to stroke.

    What are you basing that risk assessment on?

    Define what you're asking?

    I am using a clients maximum HR (calculated via The Karvonen Method; not just the general theory of 220 - age).
  • WalkingAlong
    WalkingAlong Posts: 4,926 Member
    bingfit221 wrote: »
    Chrisparadise579 wrote: »
    I have the under armor monitor but I have heard great things about the RC3! Heart rate monitors are still very accurate for weight lifting I use one when I lift, but I use it to make sure I keep my heart rate up, not for the calorie burn. Typically weight lifters use the TDEE method for tracking because the calorie burn caused by weightlifting can last up to 48 hours afterword.

    I just like how people claim that they aren't accurate for intervals & weight lifting.

    It is like saying, "oh my speedometer in my car only works when I am going to steady 35 mph but not when I accelerate and decelerate."

    Of course it is isn't going to give you the right caloric burn because strength training & HIIT you have a great post burn.
    I think most authorities now say that 'post burn' (EPOC) is not very significant.
    https://www.nsca.com/Education/Articles/Hot-Topic-Role-of-EPOC-in-Weight-Loss/
  • bingfit221
    bingfit221 Posts: 105 Member
    edited January 2015
    WalkingAlong wrote: »
    bingfit221 wrote: »
    Chrisparadise579 wrote: »
    I have the under armor monitor but I have heard great things about the RC3! Heart rate monitors are still very accurate for weight lifting I use one when I lift, but I use it to make sure I keep my heart rate up, not for the calorie burn. Typically weight lifters use the TDEE method for tracking because the calorie burn caused by weightlifting can last up to 48 hours afterword.

    I just like how people claim that they aren't accurate for intervals & weight lifting.

    It is like saying, "oh my speedometer in my car only works when I am going to steady 35 mph but not when I accelerate and decelerate."

    Of course it is isn't going to give you the right caloric burn because strength training & HIIT you have a great post burn.
    I think most authorities now say that 'post burn' (EPOC) is not very significant.
    https://www.nsca.com/Education/Articles/Hot-Topic-Role-of-EPOC-in-Weight-Loss/

    Yes, I need to add an -er to great. I tend to have a few typos. Post burn may be short, but it can exist.
  • MeanderingMammal
    MeanderingMammal Posts: 7,866 Member
    edited January 2015
    bingfit221 wrote: »
    MeanderingMammal wrote: »
    bingfit221 wrote: »
    .....when it comes to stroke.

    What are you basing that risk assessment on?

    Define what you're asking?

    I am using a clients maximum HR (calculated via The Karvonen Method; not just the general theory of 220 - age).

    You're suggesting that an HRM can be a useful tool when dealing with stroke risk, or at least that's what I've inferred from your previous.

    Notwithstanding that you're suggesting that Karvonen is a more suitable approach to estimating MHR I'd appreciate an insight into how knowledge of the HR at a moment in time helps with identifying the clients risk.

    From a practical perspective, it's advice I tried to get from my GP late last year.
  • MeanderingMammal
    MeanderingMammal Posts: 7,866 Member
    WalkingAlong wrote: »
    I think most authorities now say that 'post burn' (EPOC) is not very significant.
    https://www.nsca.com/Education/Articles/Hot-Topic-Role-of-EPOC-in-Weight-Loss/

    But those extra couple of calories are significant dontyaknow
  • bingfit221
    bingfit221 Posts: 105 Member
    MeanderingMammal wrote: »
    bingfit221 wrote: »
    MeanderingMammal wrote: »
    bingfit221 wrote: »
    .....when it comes to stroke.

    What are you basing that risk assessment on?

    Define what you're asking?

    I am using a clients maximum HR (calculated via The Karvonen Method; not just the general theory of 220 - age).

    You're suggesting that an HRM can be a useful tool when dealing with stroke risk, or at least that's what I've inferred from your previous.

    Notwithstanding that you're suggesting that Karvonen is a more suitable approach to estimating MHR I'd appreciate an insight into how knowledge of the HR at a moment in time helps with identifying the clients risk.

    From a practical perspective, it's advice I tried to get from my GP late last year.

    Stroke volume can have a direct correlation with heart rate when in an anabolic state of cardio.
  • bingfit221
    bingfit221 Posts: 105 Member
    edited January 2015
    OR from a personal experience, I had a client with a pace maker once. Her heart was born with a defect and she needed a pacemaker for her heart to actually function. Her pacemaker will only sustain 180bpm so it was key for us to know where her HR was at any given moment. This is more so related to cardiac issues than so stroke.

    I didn't finish typing my prior post. Sorry.

    If you take into account tachycardia (condition of chronic high heart rate) and bradycardia (condition of low heart rate), this would be the only instance when it can affect stroke. BUT it can still happen.

  • MeanderingMammal
    MeanderingMammal Posts: 7,866 Member
    edited January 2015
    bingfit221 wrote: »
    MeanderingMammal wrote: »
    bingfit221 wrote: »
    MeanderingMammal wrote: »
    bingfit221 wrote: »
    .....when it comes to stroke.

    What are you basing that risk assessment on?

    Define what you're asking?

    I am using a clients maximum HR (calculated via The Karvonen Method; not just the general theory of 220 - age).

    You're suggesting that an HRM can be a useful tool when dealing with stroke risk, or at least that's what I've inferred from your previous.

    Notwithstanding that you're suggesting that Karvonen is a more suitable approach to estimating MHR I'd appreciate an insight into how knowledge of the HR at a moment in time helps with identifying the clients risk.

    From a practical perspective, it's advice I tried to get from my GP late last year.

    Stroke volume can have a direct correlation with heart rate when in an anabolic state of cardio.

    So you're not actually talking about stroke risk?

    Sounds like very niche usage to be honest.

    Personally I don't tend to worry too much about HR when I'm training, but I do use the traces after the fact during my post training analysis. I did have a situation last year where a GP suggested I should do less running due to a risk, but when I started to explore managing that, given that I had a half marathon coming up, he wasn't able to give me any real insight other than simple doom and gloom don't run nonsense. Haven't stopped running and cycling and still not dead.
  • bingfit221
    bingfit221 Posts: 105 Member
    edited January 2015
    MeanderingMammal wrote: »
    bingfit221 wrote: »
    MeanderingMammal wrote: »
    bingfit221 wrote: »
    MeanderingMammal wrote: »
    bingfit221 wrote: »
    .....when it comes to stroke.

    What are you basing that risk assessment on?

    Define what you're asking?

    I am using a clients maximum HR (calculated via The Karvonen Method; not just the general theory of 220 - age).

    You're suggesting that an HRM can be a useful tool when dealing with stroke risk, or at least that's what I've inferred from your previous.

    Notwithstanding that you're suggesting that Karvonen is a more suitable approach to estimating MHR I'd appreciate an insight into how knowledge of the HR at a moment in time helps with identifying the clients risk.

    From a practical perspective, it's advice I tried to get from my GP late last year.

    Stroke volume can have a direct correlation with heart rate when in an anabolic state of cardio.

    So you're not actually talking about stroke risk?

    Sounds like very niche usage to be honest.

    Personally I don't tend to worry too much about HR when I'm training, but I do use the traces after the fact during my post training analysis. I did have a situation last year where a GP suggested I should do less running due to a risk, but when I started to explore managing that, given that I had a half marathon coming up, he wasn't able to give me any real insight other than simple doom and gloom don't run nonsense. Haven't stopped running and cycling and still not dead.

    Yes I am referring to stroke.

    Stroke volume, no. In reference to the heart.

    http://www.heartandstroke.com/site/c.ikIQLcMWJtE/b.3484057/

    Maybe this will help.

    Sometimes I fail at putting thoughts into words haha.

  • MeanderingMammal
    MeanderingMammal Posts: 7,866 Member
    bingfit221 wrote: »
    Yes I am referring to stroke.

    Stroke volume, no. In reference to the heart.

    http://www.heartandstroke.com/site/c.ikIQLcMWJtE/b.3484057/

    Maybe this will help.

    Sounds like you work in a very specialist area then if you're consistently dealing with clients who are subject to these risks.

    Presumably their ranges are assessed using labwork rather than approximation, and you're hooking them up to clinical standard devices rather than the ubiquitous FT4?

  • bingfit221
    bingfit221 Posts: 105 Member
    edited January 2015
    MeanderingMammal wrote: »
    bingfit221 wrote: »
    Yes I am referring to stroke.

    Stroke volume, no. In reference to the heart.

    http://www.heartandstroke.com/site/c.ikIQLcMWJtE/b.3484057/

    Maybe this will help.

    Sounds like you work in a very specialist area then if you're consistently dealing with clients who are subject to these risks.

    Presumably their ranges are assessed using labwork rather than approximation, and you're hooking them up to clinical standard devices rather than the ubiquitous FT4?

    Not a specialist by any means but I have again dealt with pace makers and arrhythmia.

    My wife is more so the one who takes on high risks. She is more suitable in the area.

    We work in an area that is full of older clients 70+ and have seen some weird stuff.

    We did have a girl who was 26 who was a local bartender who dropped dead on her job from an unknown aneurysm.
  • MeanderingMammal
    MeanderingMammal Posts: 7,866 Member
    bingfit221 wrote: »
    Not a specialist by any means but I have again dealt with pace makers and arrhythmia.

    My wife is more so the one who takes on high risks. She is more suitable in the area.

    We work in an area that is full of older clients 70+ and have seen some weird stuff.

    We did have a girl who was 26 who was a local bartender who dropped dead on her job from an unknown aneurysm.

    So for your bog standard user an HRM is of very limited value in most training scenarios, particularly where one is talking about intermittent changes.

    I'd note that the final example is not uncommon, and in most instances where it occurs there are no indications prior to the event. I can think of half a dozen examples from a previous role (over several years) where we did have some experience of people dropping during some form of phys who were young, fit and had shown no symptoms, even when hooked up to instrumentation. Twenty-eight year old rugby player, during a bleep test, 25 year old triathlete during a threshold run etc. Lessons from all of the post incident investigations came to the conclusion that nothing we'd done could have changed the outcome. For some people there is an undetected, and undetectable, underlying issue.
  • brianpperkins
    brianpperkins Posts: 6,124 Member
    I see bosfit deactivated and came back as bingfit ...
  • brianpperkins
    brianpperkins Posts: 6,124 Member
    bingfit221 wrote: »
    WalkingAlong wrote: »
    bingfit221 wrote: »
    Chrisparadise579 wrote: »
    I have the under armor monitor but I have heard great things about the RC3! Heart rate monitors are still very accurate for weight lifting I use one when I lift, but I use it to make sure I keep my heart rate up, not for the calorie burn. Typically weight lifters use the TDEE method for tracking because the calorie burn caused by weightlifting can last up to 48 hours afterword.

    I just like how people claim that they aren't accurate for intervals & weight lifting.

    It is like saying, "oh my speedometer in my car only works when I am going to steady 35 mph but not when I accelerate and decelerate."

    Of course it is isn't going to give you the right caloric burn because strength training & HIIT you have a great post burn.
    I think most authorities now say that 'post burn' (EPOC) is not very significant.
    https://www.nsca.com/Education/Articles/Hot-Topic-Role-of-EPOC-in-Weight-Loss/

    Yes, I need to add an -er to great. I tend to have a few typos. Post burn may be short, but it can exist.

    Recent studies show 30-50 calories for most people, even athletes pushing themselves hard during HIIT.
  • bingfit221
    bingfit221 Posts: 105 Member
    brianpperkins wrote: »
    I see bosfit deactivated and came back as bingfit ...

    Yeah, the friggin app wouldn't let me log in even after reinstalling and clearing cache. I have a few people I need to see diaries and it was counterproductive to wait for them to fix the problem. So I created a new account to see if it would work and it do so.. yeah.
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