cutting sugar

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  • GaleHawkins
    GaleHawkins Posts: 8,159 Member
    elphie754 wrote: »

    Please explain how sugar was causing you pain.

    I do not know how sugar was causing my pain.

    I removed the sugar/actually most all carbs (<50g daily) and the pain level dropped. I added the sugar back into my diet and the pain started to return. I then again removed the sugar from my diet and the pain started to decrease.

    With the sugar/carbs removed mental 'fog' lifted and energy level improved as ketone levels increased to 1-3 range. Years of sinus issues cleared up. IBS cleared. Sugar/carb cravings left. Sugar afternoon crashes left. Some weight loss but a lot of inches lost. Ability to work past my traditional meal times without loss of energy. While I do get hungry there is not a mental shutdown like when I was a carb burner vs. now being a fat burner.


  • elphie754
    elphie754 Posts: 7,574 Member
    Kalikel wrote: »
    elphie754 wrote: »
    Kalikel wrote: »
    Nat Geo had an interesting article on hibernation a year or two ago. Some animals go ridiculous amounts of time without eating! It's crazy!

    Maybe they'll learn something from those animals. I don't think it'll help us much. People really need food. Even if we get fed all the nutrients we require, but it goes into our veins, it's just not enough. It'll sustain life, but not a healthy life. We need food - physical food that we eat and digest - and activity to be our healthiest.

    But no knowledge is ever wasted, so if they can learn something from the animals, yay that. :)

    Except humans don't hibernate.

    Could you possibly turn that into a sentence? I don't understand your point.

    That is a sentence. Simple fact. Human do not hibernate.
    elphie754 wrote: »

    Please explain how sugar was causing you pain.

    I do not know how sugar was causing my pain.

    I removed the sugar/actually most all carbs (<50g daily) and the pain level dropped. I added the sugar back into my diet and the pain started to return. I then again removed the sugar from my diet and the pain started to decrease.

    With the sugar/carbs removed mental 'fog' lifted and energy level improved as ketone levels increased to 1-3 range. Years of sinus issues cleared up. IBS cleared. Sugar/carb cravings left. Sugar afternoon crashes left. Some weight loss but a lot of inches lost. Ability to work past my traditional meal times without loss of energy. While I do get hungry there is not a mental shutdown like when I was a carb burner vs. now being a fat burner.


    But you just said it was? If you do not know how, then why would you make that claim?
  • Kalikel
    Kalikel Posts: 9,603 Member
    elphie754 wrote: »
    Kalikel wrote: »
    elphie754 wrote: »
    Kalikel wrote: »
    Nat Geo had an interesting article on hibernation a year or two ago. Some animals go ridiculous amounts of time without eating! It's crazy!

    Maybe they'll learn something from those animals. I don't think it'll help us much. People really need food. Even if we get fed all the nutrients we require, but it goes into our veins, it's just not enough. It'll sustain life, but not a healthy life. We need food - physical food that we eat and digest - and activity to be our healthiest.

    But no knowledge is ever wasted, so if they can learn something from the animals, yay that. :)

    Except humans don't hibernate.

    Could you possibly turn that into a sentence? I don't understand your point.

    That is a sentence. Simple fact. Human do not hibernate.
    Humans don't hibernate. Agreed.
  • tennisdude2004
    tennisdude2004 Posts: 5,609 Member
    herrspoons wrote: »
    elphie754 wrote: »

    Please explain how sugar was causing you pain.

    I do not know how sugar was causing my pain.

    I removed the sugar/actually most all carbs (<50g daily) and the pain level dropped. I added the sugar back into my diet and the pain started to return. I then again removed the sugar from my diet and the pain started to decrease.

    With the sugar/carbs removed mental 'fog' lifted and energy level improved as ketone levels increased to 1-3 range. Years of sinus issues cleared up. IBS cleared. Sugar/carb cravings left. Sugar afternoon crashes left. Some weight loss but a lot of inches lost. Ability to work past my traditional meal times without loss of energy. While I do get hungry there is not a mental shutdown like when I was a carb burner vs. now being a fat burner.


    Today's word is 'psychosomatic'. Say it with me: Psychosomatic.

    Alakazam
  • tennisdude2004
    tennisdude2004 Posts: 5,609 Member
    elphie754 wrote: »
    herrspoons wrote: »
    psulemon wrote: »
    Come on guys, lets try not to turn this into a war like usual.

    We need more data from the OP to understand the context of her question.

    Well, fair enough, but you might want to ask who the agent provocateurs are here.

    Well, on a thread where someone is asking for help and suggestions on cutting back on sugar - a decision they have obviously made, maybe the 'agent provocateurs' are the ones hijacking the thread and turning it into a - you don't need to cut out sugar - argument.

    How about for once trying to keep a sugar thread on track!

    How about for once not making a nutrient evil and cutting things out that don't need to be cut out (unless you have a medical condition)?

    Isn't that what most of us are here for - to cut things back/or out of our diets, to help us loss weight.

    Some of us choose to restrict (or cut back on) a few food groups, like wheat or sugar, then you have people eating in moderation, who choose to cut back on everything - No thank you, that sounds like hell to me - in fact I've tried it and it was like hell!

  • tennisdude2004
    tennisdude2004 Posts: 5,609 Member
    edited January 2015
    Acg67 wrote: »
    Acg67 wrote: »
    Sugar give us instant energy, but has no nutritional value. It can surge blood sugars very quickly and then drop very quickly.
    Best way to cut down on your sugar is by reducing it gradually. For example if you have 2 teaspoons of sugar in your beverage, drop it by a half teaspoon or 1 teaspoon until you are OK with no sugar with your tea and coffee. This way, you will be able to train your taste buds to less sugar.

    You can have a small treat occasionally, that is fine. I find not having any bought cakes and biscuits in the cupboard stops the temptation to eat them. Have nuts, fruit, carrots, celery with peanut butter.

    Contrary to belief, sugar actually IS the enemy. The type of sugar that you need to avoid is the one in cakes, biscuits, fizzy drinks, fruit juices (OK in moderation) and squashes, sweets, chocolates. The sugars you should try and have less of are sucrose, glucose.

    The sugar in fruit is called fructose and is fine as long as you eat the whole fruit which also gives you vitamins and fibre. Milk sugar is called lactose and some people have an intolerance to this.

    When you go for yogurts, go for the ones with no sugar or ones with 3% or less. Because foods say low fat, this does not mean that it is healthy. Low fat products tend to have too much sugar added to them. Like one of the previous posters mentioned, make your own sauces as most of the ready made meals and sauces are laden with added sugar. You will also know exactly what goes into your meal if you use fresh produce.

    The body does need the right type of fat to keep healthy. Vitamins D, K, E are fat soluble vitamins and require the right type of fat to be absorbed into the body for optimal health. The good fats are in nuts, fish, coconut oil.

    Hope this helps.


    Hahahahaha you can't be that ignorant to think fruit only contains fructose.

    BTW sugar is essential to human life

    Acg67 six months ago I like you were under the false impression that sugar is essential to human life. Medical science clearly shows today that sugar or any other version of carbs are optional for human life vs being required.

    It seems per some research from a NZ conference fructose is a cue that it will soon be winter so the hormones slows down the metabolism, raises the hormone Insulin which is needed to gain weight, increases the appetite so as much fat is gained as possible to make it through the long winter OK.

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=F1afyKN18S0

    Starting at about 23:00 he covers this over the next few minutes. I found the entire video interesting that he presented to a group of his peers.

    In short if we are consuming fructose and it does trigger fat storage and saps our energy so we just want to sleep it makes sense why some of us may be fat. It is outside of the box for sure. We already understand we do not get fat because we eat too much and move to little. It it more like we have low energy so we eat more to gain energy but hormonally being in fat storage mode we can only gain weight for the winter so we just gain more weight and feel more tired since today we never have to face "winter" and the risk of starving like even 100 years ago in some parts of the world.

    Lol. So a blood glucose reading of zero would be perfectly fine and hypoglycemia isn't dangerous

    But please show me said science.

    By your post earlier, any noobs would think you were implying dietary sugar was essential for human existence - which is clearly wrong.

    I don't think anyone is disputing the body caters for itself when it comes to glucose, as we have several organs in our bodies that will only feed on glucose (as in certain parts of our brain).

    I don't think anyone on MFP is ever advocating a zero carb diet, this would be difficult to do and would certainly no be optimal for a healthy diet, carbs (in moderation) are a great part of a healthy diet.
  • elphie754
    elphie754 Posts: 7,574 Member
    herrspoons wrote: »
    elphie754 wrote: »

    Please explain how sugar was causing you pain.

    I do not know how sugar was causing my pain.

    I removed the sugar/actually most all carbs (<50g daily) and the pain level dropped. I added the sugar back into my diet and the pain started to return. I then again removed the sugar from my diet and the pain started to decrease.

    With the sugar/carbs removed mental 'fog' lifted and energy level improved as ketone levels increased to 1-3 range. Years of sinus issues cleared up. IBS cleared. Sugar/carb cravings left. Sugar afternoon crashes left. Some weight loss but a lot of inches lost. Ability to work past my traditional meal times without loss of energy. While I do get hungry there is not a mental shutdown like when I was a carb burner vs. now being a fat burner.


    Today's word is 'psychosomatic'. Say it with me: Psychosomatic.

    Ding ding! You hit the nail right on the head.
  • PeachyCarol
    PeachyCarol Posts: 8,029 Member
    blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/2014/04/25/can-humans-hibernate-ask-the-dwarf-lemur/

    "Preceding hibernation, dwarf lemurs get fat. Excessively fat. As fat as they can manage given the food resources available, sometimes more than doubling their body weight all in a matter of little over a month. And they store this fat in their tails."

    Some human can double their weight we know.

    "During the rainy season, their habitat is replete with food and the animals are gorging themselves on fruit and insects—normal carbohydrate metabolism chugging away. Those genes that drive carbohydrate metabolism are flipped on. Then the extreme dry season hits and resources disappear. Dwarf lemurs enter hibernation and since they can only rely on stored fat in their tails to keep the critical physiological processes running, the combination of genes that govern fat metabolism flip on. This leads to a breakdown of fat reserves, which fuels the body during a time of fasting."

    "Dissecting how animals in hibernation can rely solely on stored fat as fuel will indeed have immediate benefits for understanding obesity and other metabolic disorders."

    When are you going to stop reaching for any excuse you can for weight gain and just accept the fact that you eat too much?

  • PeachyCarol
    PeachyCarol Posts: 8,029 Member
    edited January 2015
    herrspoons wrote: »
    elphie754 wrote: »

    Please explain how sugar was causing you pain.

    I do not know how sugar was causing my pain.

    I removed the sugar/actually most all carbs (<50g daily) and the pain level dropped. I added the sugar back into my diet and the pain started to return. I then again removed the sugar from my diet and the pain started to decrease.

    With the sugar/carbs removed mental 'fog' lifted and energy level improved as ketone levels increased to 1-3 range. Years of sinus issues cleared up. IBS cleared. Sugar/carb cravings left. Sugar afternoon crashes left. Some weight loss but a lot of inches lost. Ability to work past my traditional meal times without loss of energy. While I do get hungry there is not a mental shutdown like when I was a carb burner vs. now being a fat burner.


    Today's word is 'psychosomatic'. Say it with me: Psychosomatic.

    Agreed. I have autoimmune arthritis (psoriatic). When he goes on about sugar effecting his pain levels and not taking medication for his arthritis, it pushes all my buttons. And yet? The kicker? One of the most effective remedies for pain for arthritis? Exercise? He's not doing it.

    I'm saying this for lurkers. Eliminate sugar? It's a choice. It's yours to make. But it's not woo that will cure any autoimmune condition you might have. I moderate my carbs and consume sugar infrequently simply because I have few discretionary calories since I'm older and short and honestly don't have the taste for them. You know what? I still need medication and medical intervention.

  • elphie754
    elphie754 Posts: 7,574 Member
    blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/2014/04/25/can-humans-hibernate-ask-the-dwarf-lemur/

    "Preceding hibernation, dwarf lemurs get fat. Excessively fat. As fat as they can manage given the food resources available, sometimes more than doubling their body weight all in a matter of little over a month. And they store this fat in their tails."

    Some human can double their weight we know.

    "During the rainy season, their habitat is replete with food and the animals are gorging themselves on fruit and insects—normal carbohydrate metabolism chugging away. Those genes that drive carbohydrate metabolism are flipped on. Then the extreme dry season hits and resources disappear. Dwarf lemurs enter hibernation and since they can only rely on stored fat in their tails to keep the critical physiological processes running, the combination of genes that govern fat metabolism flip on. This leads to a breakdown of fat reserves, which fuels the body during a time of fasting."

    "Dissecting how animals in hibernation can rely solely on stored fat as fuel will indeed have immediate benefits for understanding obesity and other metabolic disorders."

    When are you going to stop reaching for any excuse you can for weight gain and just accept the fact that you eat too much?

    When he finally admits he is pretending to be a CEO.
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    Acg67 wrote: »
    Acg67 wrote: »
    Sugar give us instant energy, but has no nutritional value. It can surge blood sugars very quickly and then drop very quickly.
    Best way to cut down on your sugar is by reducing it gradually. For example if you have 2 teaspoons of sugar in your beverage, drop it by a half teaspoon or 1 teaspoon until you are OK with no sugar with your tea and coffee. This way, you will be able to train your taste buds to less sugar.

    You can have a small treat occasionally, that is fine. I find not having any bought cakes and biscuits in the cupboard stops the temptation to eat them. Have nuts, fruit, carrots, celery with peanut butter.

    Contrary to belief, sugar actually IS the enemy. The type of sugar that you need to avoid is the one in cakes, biscuits, fizzy drinks, fruit juices (OK in moderation) and squashes, sweets, chocolates. The sugars you should try and have less of are sucrose, glucose.

    The sugar in fruit is called fructose and is fine as long as you eat the whole fruit which also gives you vitamins and fibre. Milk sugar is called lactose and some people have an intolerance to this.

    When you go for yogurts, go for the ones with no sugar or ones with 3% or less. Because foods say low fat, this does not mean that it is healthy. Low fat products tend to have too much sugar added to them. Like one of the previous posters mentioned, make your own sauces as most of the ready made meals and sauces are laden with added sugar. You will also know exactly what goes into your meal if you use fresh produce.

    The body does need the right type of fat to keep healthy. Vitamins D, K, E are fat soluble vitamins and require the right type of fat to be absorbed into the body for optimal health. The good fats are in nuts, fish, coconut oil.

    Hope this helps.


    Hahahahaha you can't be that ignorant to think fruit only contains fructose.

    BTW sugar is essential to human life

    Acg67 six months ago I like you were under the false impression that sugar is essential to human life. Medical science clearly shows today that sugar or any other version of carbs are optional for human life vs being required.

    It seems per some research from a NZ conference fructose is a cue that it will soon be winter so the hormones slows down the metabolism, raises the hormone Insulin which is needed to gain weight, increases the appetite so as much fat is gained as possible to make it through the long winter OK.

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=F1afyKN18S0

    Starting at about 23:00 he covers this over the next few minutes. I found the entire video interesting that he presented to a group of his peers.

    In short if we are consuming fructose and it does trigger fat storage and saps our energy so we just want to sleep it makes sense why some of us may be fat. It is outside of the box for sure. We already understand we do not get fat because we eat too much and move to little. It it more like we have low energy so we eat more to gain energy but hormonally being in fat storage mode we can only gain weight for the winter so we just gain more weight and feel more tired since today we never have to face "winter" and the risk of starving like even 100 years ago in some parts of the world.

    Lol. So a blood glucose reading of zero would be perfectly fine and hypoglycemia isn't dangerous

    But please show me said science.

    By your post earlier, any noobs would think you were implying dietary sugar was essential for human existence - which is clearly wrong.

    I don't think anyone is disputing the body caters for itself when it comes to glucose, as we have several organs in our bodies that will only feed on glucose (as in certain parts of our brain).

    I don't think anyone on MFP is ever advocating a zero carb diet, this would be difficult to do and would certainly no be optimal for a healthy diet, carbs (in moderation) are a great part of a healthy diet.

    I implied no such thing and if someone was that ignorant than that's their fault.

    And Gale Hawkins certainly did dispute that notion, although as usual it was a baseless claim since when asked to provide evidence, none was ever given
  • lemurcat12
    lemurcat12 Posts: 30,886 Member
    edited January 2015
    This thread's current focus on lemur hibernation is kind of freaking me out. B)
  • tennisdude2004
    tennisdude2004 Posts: 5,609 Member
    Acg67 wrote: »
    Acg67 wrote: »
    Acg67 wrote: »
    Sugar give us instant energy, but has no nutritional value. It can surge blood sugars very quickly and then drop very quickly.
    Best way to cut down on your sugar is by reducing it gradually. For example if you have 2 teaspoons of sugar in your beverage, drop it by a half teaspoon or 1 teaspoon until you are OK with no sugar with your tea and coffee. This way, you will be able to train your taste buds to less sugar.

    You can have a small treat occasionally, that is fine. I find not having any bought cakes and biscuits in the cupboard stops the temptation to eat them. Have nuts, fruit, carrots, celery with peanut butter.

    Contrary to belief, sugar actually IS the enemy. The type of sugar that you need to avoid is the one in cakes, biscuits, fizzy drinks, fruit juices (OK in moderation) and squashes, sweets, chocolates. The sugars you should try and have less of are sucrose, glucose.

    The sugar in fruit is called fructose and is fine as long as you eat the whole fruit which also gives you vitamins and fibre. Milk sugar is called lactose and some people have an intolerance to this.

    When you go for yogurts, go for the ones with no sugar or ones with 3% or less. Because foods say low fat, this does not mean that it is healthy. Low fat products tend to have too much sugar added to them. Like one of the previous posters mentioned, make your own sauces as most of the ready made meals and sauces are laden with added sugar. You will also know exactly what goes into your meal if you use fresh produce.

    The body does need the right type of fat to keep healthy. Vitamins D, K, E are fat soluble vitamins and require the right type of fat to be absorbed into the body for optimal health. The good fats are in nuts, fish, coconut oil.

    Hope this helps.


    Hahahahaha you can't be that ignorant to think fruit only contains fructose.

    BTW sugar is essential to human life

    Acg67 six months ago I like you were under the false impression that sugar is essential to human life. Medical science clearly shows today that sugar or any other version of carbs are optional for human life vs being required.

    It seems per some research from a NZ conference fructose is a cue that it will soon be winter so the hormones slows down the metabolism, raises the hormone Insulin which is needed to gain weight, increases the appetite so as much fat is gained as possible to make it through the long winter OK.

    https://youtube.com/watch?v=F1afyKN18S0

    Starting at about 23:00 he covers this over the next few minutes. I found the entire video interesting that he presented to a group of his peers.

    In short if we are consuming fructose and it does trigger fat storage and saps our energy so we just want to sleep it makes sense why some of us may be fat. It is outside of the box for sure. We already understand we do not get fat because we eat too much and move to little. It it more like we have low energy so we eat more to gain energy but hormonally being in fat storage mode we can only gain weight for the winter so we just gain more weight and feel more tired since today we never have to face "winter" and the risk of starving like even 100 years ago in some parts of the world.

    Lol. So a blood glucose reading of zero would be perfectly fine and hypoglycemia isn't dangerous

    But please show me said science.

    By your post earlier, any noobs would think you were implying dietary sugar was essential for human existence - which is clearly wrong.

    I don't think anyone is disputing the body caters for itself when it comes to glucose, as we have several organs in our bodies that will only feed on glucose (as in certain parts of our brain).

    I don't think anyone on MFP is ever advocating a zero carb diet, this would be difficult to do and would certainly no be optimal for a healthy diet, carbs (in moderation) are a great part of a healthy diet.

    I implied no such thing and if someone was that ignorant than that's their fault.

    And Gale Hawkins certainly did dispute that notion, although as usual it was a baseless claim since when asked to provide evidence, none was ever given

    That's pretty much what I thought, I didn't think you ignorant enough to make such a ludicrous statement.

    Just wanted to be clear in case any noobs where reading your statement and mis-read it, as your previous comment directly above it was discussing dietary sugar.

  • GaleHawkins
    GaleHawkins Posts: 8,159 Member
    I claimed cutting out sugar and most other whole food with carbs greatly cut my pain levels because that is a fact in my life. The associated weight loss was a bonus.

    You can personally attack me all you wish but please stop making false posts that may hurt those new to MFP.

    healthline.com/health-slideshow/foods-to-avoid-with-arthritis#1

  • PeachyCarol
    PeachyCarol Posts: 8,029 Member
  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    I claimed cutting out sugar and most other whole food with carbs greatly cut my pain levels because that is a fact in my life. The associated weight loss was a bonus.

    You can personally attack me all you wish but please stop making false posts that may hurt those new to MFP.

    healthline.com/health-slideshow/foods-to-avoid-with-arthritis#1

    Pot meet kettle

    "Acg67 six months ago I like you were under the false impression that sugar is essential to human life. Medical science clearly shows today that sugar or any other version of carbs are optional for human life vs being required."
  • GaleHawkins
    GaleHawkins Posts: 8,159 Member
    Acg67 wrote: »
    I claimed cutting out sugar and most other whole food with carbs greatly cut my pain levels because that is a fact in my life. The associated weight loss was a bonus.

    You can personally attack me all you wish but please stop making false posts that may hurt those new to MFP.

    healthline.com/health-slideshow/foods-to-avoid-with-arthritis#1

    Pot meet kettle

    "Acg67 six months ago I like you were under the false impression that sugar is essential to human life. Medical science clearly shows today that sugar or any other version of carbs are optional for human life vs being required."

    weightandwellness.com/resources/articles-and-videos/articles-about-other-health-conditions/sugar-aches/

    For those who have arthritis pain made worse by eating sugar.

  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    Acg67 wrote: »
    I claimed cutting out sugar and most other whole food with carbs greatly cut my pain levels because that is a fact in my life. The associated weight loss was a bonus.

    You can personally attack me all you wish but please stop making false posts that may hurt those new to MFP.

    healthline.com/health-slideshow/foods-to-avoid-with-arthritis#1

    Pot meet kettle

    "Acg67 six months ago I like you were under the false impression that sugar is essential to human life. Medical science clearly shows today that sugar or any other version of carbs are optional for human life vs being required."

    weightandwellness.com/resources/articles-and-videos/articles-about-other-health-conditions/sugar-aches/

    For those who have arthritis pain made worse by eating sugar.

    Doesn't substantiate your lies, try again
  • PeachyCarol
    PeachyCarol Posts: 8,029 Member
    edited January 2015
    Acg67 wrote: »
    I claimed cutting out sugar and most other whole food with carbs greatly cut my pain levels because that is a fact in my life. The associated weight loss was a bonus.

    You can personally attack me all you wish but please stop making false posts that may hurt those new to MFP.

    healthline.com/health-slideshow/foods-to-avoid-with-arthritis#1

    Pot meet kettle

    "Acg67 six months ago I like you were under the false impression that sugar is essential to human life. Medical science clearly shows today that sugar or any other version of carbs are optional for human life vs being required."

    weightandwellness.com/resources/articles-and-videos/articles-about-other-health-conditions/sugar-aches/

    For those who have arthritis pain made worse by eating sugar.

    Unsubstantiated nonsense.

    What kind of arthritis do you have, Gale? What does your doctor say about your no sugar "treatment" of your symptoms? What kind of doctor do you see for your arthritis?

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  • tennisdude2004
    tennisdude2004 Posts: 5,609 Member
    Acg67 wrote: »
    I claimed cutting out sugar and most other whole food with carbs greatly cut my pain levels because that is a fact in my life. The associated weight loss was a bonus.

    You can personally attack me all you wish but please stop making false posts that may hurt those new to MFP.

    healthline.com/health-slideshow/foods-to-avoid-with-arthritis#1

    Pot meet kettle

    "Acg67 six months ago I like you were under the false impression that sugar is essential to human life. Medical science clearly shows today that sugar or any other version of carbs are optional for human life vs being required."

    I think most reasonable minded people would assume this chap is talking about eating sugar and other carbs.

  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    Acg67 wrote: »
    I claimed cutting out sugar and most other whole food with carbs greatly cut my pain levels because that is a fact in my life. The associated weight loss was a bonus.

    You can personally attack me all you wish but please stop making false posts that may hurt those new to MFP.

    healthline.com/health-slideshow/foods-to-avoid-with-arthritis#1

    Pot meet kettle

    "Acg67 six months ago I like you were under the false impression that sugar is essential to human life. Medical science clearly shows today that sugar or any other version of carbs are optional for human life vs being required."

    I think most reasonable minded people would assume this chap is talking about eating sugar and other carbs.

    Simple is his post true or false? He just told people to stop making false posts so if his was false, well...
  • tennisdude2004
    tennisdude2004 Posts: 5,609 Member
    Acg67 wrote: »
    Acg67 wrote: »
    I claimed cutting out sugar and most other whole food with carbs greatly cut my pain levels because that is a fact in my life. The associated weight loss was a bonus.

    You can personally attack me all you wish but please stop making false posts that may hurt those new to MFP.

    healthline.com/health-slideshow/foods-to-avoid-with-arthritis#1

    Pot meet kettle

    "Acg67 six months ago I like you were under the false impression that sugar is essential to human life. Medical science clearly shows today that sugar or any other version of carbs are optional for human life vs being required."

    I think most reasonable minded people would assume this chap is talking about eating sugar and other carbs.

    Simple is his post true or false? He just told people to stop making false posts so if his was false, well...

    If we are talking dietary sugar that paragraph above is true - it is not essential for human life - optimal but not essential.

    If we are talking about glucose in the blood, which is produced by the body then it's false - but as the body will produce it regardless if you want it to or not, it's kinda obvious that's not the point he was making.

  • Acg67
    Acg67 Posts: 12,142 Member
    Acg67 wrote: »
    Acg67 wrote: »
    I claimed cutting out sugar and most other whole food with carbs greatly cut my pain levels because that is a fact in my life. The associated weight loss was a bonus.

    You can personally attack me all you wish but please stop making false posts that may hurt those new to MFP.

    healthline.com/health-slideshow/foods-to-avoid-with-arthritis#1

    Pot meet kettle

    "Acg67 six months ago I like you were under the false impression that sugar is essential to human life. Medical science clearly shows today that sugar or any other version of carbs are optional for human life vs being required."

    I think most reasonable minded people would assume this chap is talking about eating sugar and other carbs.

    Simple is his post true or false? He just told people to stop making false posts so if his was false, well...

    If we are talking dietary sugar that paragraph above is true - it is not essential for human life - optimal but not essential.

    If we are talking about glucose in the blood, which is produced by the body then it's false - but as the body will produce it regardless if you want it to or not, it's kinda obvious that's not the point he was making.

    The statement as presented is true or false? This is not hard
  • SLLRunner
    SLLRunner Posts: 12,942 Member
    edited January 2015
    Acg67 wrote: »
    I claimed cutting out sugar and most other whole food with carbs greatly cut my pain levels because that is a fact in my life. The associated weight loss was a bonus.

    You can personally attack me all you wish but please stop making false posts that may hurt those new to MFP.

    healthline.com/health-slideshow/foods-to-avoid-with-arthritis#1

    Pot meet kettle

    "Acg67 six months ago I like you were under the false impression that sugar is essential to human life. Medical science clearly shows today that sugar or any other version of carbs are optional for human life vs being required."

    weightandwellness.com/resources/articles-and-videos/articles-about-other-health-conditions/sugar-aches/

    For those who have arthritis pain made worse by eating sugar.

    Sugar aches?

    Would that come from a total overdo? Like, you're eating loads of deserts? Of course your body might ache, and you might not feel very well either. You'd feel that way if you overdo it on any food, I suspect, not just deserts or foods with added sugar.

    My mom always told me to not overdo it on the sweets because I would get sick. She also told me to not overdo it on any type of food because I would get sick.

    When I overdo it on caffeine, my entire body aches. No kidding. I still have caffeine, I just don't have as much.
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  • kaotik26
    kaotik26 Posts: 590 Member
    Start with your diary OP. How much sugar do you consume normally? First cut out the obvious, cookies, cakes etc. When you get a craving for something sweet remember that where you would eat one donut you could eat more apples and get better nutrients and energy from the fruit.Try to add more veggies, proteins and healthy fats to your diet. They will fill you up, and give your body more to work with.
    Then start watching for added sugars. Breads, pastas and such with pretty much be converted to sugar in your body so watch our for those buggers. Sometimes things like low fat yogurt have more sugar than the full fat yogurt. Fat isn't as bad as it sounds, it helps your brain function and absorption of vitamins. Sugar is sneaky so watch those food labels. The best place to get sugar, because it is essential, is in fruits in my opinion. But also don't deprive yourself of the treats if you're used to eating them, you'll just push yourself to a binge later. It never hurts anything to have a goodie once in a while!
  • emilyGPK
    emilyGPK Posts: 83 Member
    I think that if you are stuck to a calorie limit it will naturally squeeze out excess sugar as you want to "spend" those calories on things that get rid of hunger
  • Tigg_er
    Tigg_er Posts: 22,001 Member
    LeenaGee wrote: »
    Hi Pacallen, this was posted by MyFitnessPal on their FB page. It may be of help to you in cutting down sugar.


    Nutrition Tips / January 8, 2015

    15 Simple Hacks for Eating Less Sugar

    All it takes is one Google search to confirm that too much sugar is bad for you. We hear it all the time that we need to eat less sugar. But with the current state of the food label it can be very confusing and hard to identify how much sugar we are actually eating.

    Obesity rates are on the rise and sugar sweetened beverages have undoubtedly taken the heat, but that’s only the short story. Leading researchers are finding that added sugars such as high fructose corn syrup might be the causing the liver to work overtime leading to a myriad of issues from metabolic syndrome to fatty liver disease.

    With all this talk about lowering sugar intake, the World Health Organization (WHO} is now slashing their sugar recommendations in half, from less than 10% of total calories coming from “free sugars” to 5% for additional health benefits. According to the WHO, “free sugars refer to all monosaccharides and disaccharides added to foods by the manufacturer, cook or consumer, plus sugars naturally present in honey, syrup, and fruit juices.” However, the majority of your sugar intake should be derived from natural sources. Keep in mind the amount of natural sugar each person requires is highly individualized so it’s not a one size fits all as it depends on one’s activity level, medical history, and other factors.

    There is currently no formal recommendation or upper limit for natural sugars in the diet. Currently, MyFitnessPal’s sugar recommendations are based on 15% of total calories coming from sugar, which is based on recommendations to increase fruit and vegetable intake in the 2010 Dietary Guidelines as well as sample menus representative of a healthy diet free of added sugars.

    Limiting sugar consumption to 15% of total calories is a great starting point for lowering intake from all sources. If following a “low sugar” diet based on WHO recommendations, a 2000-calorie diet with 5%, or 10% calories from sugar translates to 25 or 50 grams, respectively. To calculate your daily “added” sugar goals: multiply total calories by 10% (or 5%) and then divide by 4 to get total grams of added sugar.

    You might ask, what about fruit? Fruit sugar, also known as fructose, is a simple naturally occurring sugar, like lactose found in milk. While fruit does contain sugar, it’s sugar in the way nature intended it, and it’s also loaded with essential vitamins, minerals, antioxidants, and fiber. Fruit is a fundamental part of the diet but it should be balanced with other foods like vegetables, proteins, healthy fats, whole grains, and dairy.

    If you’re looking to cut back on sugar, here are 15 simple hacks for slashing the sweet stuff from your diet:
    1.Go natural. Eat natural sources of sugar over added sugars. Added sugars like honey, agave, and high fructose corn syrup contain empty calories meaning they have zero nutritional value. Fill up on fresh fruit and vegetables instead because they contain fiber that slows the rate of absorption of carbohydrates along with improving cholesterol levels, digestion, and satiety to help with weight loss.

    2.Pick low sugar produce. If you’re aiming to eat less sugar overall, pick the fruits and veggies with the lowest sugar load like lemons, limes, blackberries, raspberries, strawberries, broccoli, cauliflower, leafy greens, mushrooms, green beans, mushrooms, and zucchini. Essentially all veggies are low in sugar. To compare, 1 cup raspberries contains 5 grams of sugar, 1 cup black beans contains less than 1 gram of sugar, and a medium red potato contains less than 3 grams of sugar. Keep in mind, low sugar intake doesn’t necessarily mean low carbohydrate.

    3.Know your portions. Following a low sugar diet requires some diligence in knowing how much you should be eating. In general, most people should consume 2 fruits (or 2 cups) and at least 3 cups of veggies per day. On average 1 serving of fruit contains 15 grams of sugar. Ideally, try to space out your servings so that you aren’t getting a big sugar rush all at once.

    4.Eat whole and fresh. Limit fruit juices and dried fruit if you are watching the sugar intake. Generally speaking, just 4 fluid ounces (1/2 cup or 120mL) of 100% fruit juice and ¼ cup unsweetened dried fruit is equivalent to 1 piece or 1 cup of fresh, whole fruit.

    5.Learn the label lingo. The food label doesn’t differentiate between added and natural sugars (though it may in the future), instead it lumps them all together. To get natural sugar sources check the ingredient list to know if there are any added sugars in the product. Sugar lurks behind these words in the ingredient list: molasses, organic cane sugar, fruit juice concentrate, malt sugar, corn syrup, honey, syrup, and words ending in “ose” dextrose, lactose, maltose, fructose, glucose, sucrose. Here’s a more thorough list of sugar’s most common nicknames.

    6.Compare products. Looking for the lowest sugar foods? Check the nutrition label to see which product is lowest in sugar. Don’t be fooled by “low sugar” or “diet foods” as they are often packed with artificial sugars, which is another blog for another day. Bottom line: eat real “natural” convenience foods lowest in added sugar.

    7.Track it! Logging your food in MyFitnessPal can help with staying on top of your sugar intake and goals so that you become aware of how much sugar you are really ingesting since they can sure add up fast.

    8.Fill up on healthy fats. Eat more nuts, seeds, avocados, olives, and salmon. Not only are these foods heart healthy and help with blood sugar control, healthy fats will displace excess sugar from the diet and keep the body satisfied for longer so you are less likely to have energy dips between meals prompting a quick sugar fix.

    9.Set boundaries on the sweet tooth. Do you have a mean sweet tooth? Set limits on when and how you’re going to enjoy your sweets. Maybe you have ice cream once per week or possibly you’ll include a dark chocolate square after dinner nightly? Setting boundaries around what sweet treats are worth the indulgence, when is appropriate to enjoy them and how much you can enjoy will keep you from reaching in the office candy jar out of habit.

    10.Eat less packaged food. Foods in their whole form are going to be your best bet when it comes to lowering your sugar intake. According to the New York Times, 75% of packaged foods in the U.S. contain added sugar, so you can simplify your sugar doses by keeping these to a minimum.

    11.Choose unsweetened dairy. Opt for plain milk and yogurt, and no, vanilla isn’t plain! While there are naturally occurring sugars in milk and yogurt (lactose), many are spiked with sweeteners. So read the labels to get dairy varieties without the sweet stuff, and keep in mind fat-free milk naturally contains more sugar than reduced-fat. Add your own flavor by topping yogurt with chia seeds, blueberries, and cinnamon.

    12.Pump up the protein. Eating more protein will keep you amped. Protein takes longest to digest so you will be less likely to crash if you’re eating good quality proteins every three to four hours.

    13.Beware of sugar bombs. Even healthy foods can have sneaky sources of added sugar. Foods like energy bars, lattes, smoothies, juices, enhanced waters, salad dressing, cereals, tomato sauce, and medications are common culprits.

    14.Lower it gradually. Instead of cutting sugar cold turkey, lower your intakes slowly. If you usually eat sweets after lunch and dinner, start by taking it down to one meal a day.

    15.Clean out the pantry. If you have tempting foods in the kitchen, you might need to do a little pantry detox. Go out for the ice cream sundae instead of bringing a carton it into the house.

    ^This addresses the OPs original question.
  • tennisdude2004
    tennisdude2004 Posts: 5,609 Member
    Acg67 wrote: »
    Acg67 wrote: »
    Acg67 wrote: »
    I claimed cutting out sugar and most other whole food with carbs greatly cut my pain levels because that is a fact in my life. The associated weight loss was a bonus.

    You can personally attack me all you wish but please stop making false posts that may hurt those new to MFP.

    healthline.com/health-slideshow/foods-to-avoid-with-arthritis#1

    Pot meet kettle

    "Acg67 six months ago I like you were under the false impression that sugar is essential to human life. Medical science clearly shows today that sugar or any other version of carbs are optional for human life vs being required."

    I think most reasonable minded people would assume this chap is talking about eating sugar and other carbs.

    Simple is his post true or false? He just told people to stop making false posts so if his was false, well...

    If we are talking dietary sugar that paragraph above is true - it is not essential for human life - optimal but not essential.

    If we are talking about glucose in the blood, which is produced by the body then it's false - but as the body will produce it regardless if you want it to or not, it's kinda obvious that's not the point he was making.

    The statement as presented is true or false? This is not hard

    I think you need to clarify with the poster that he did or did not mean dietary.

    I'm kind of a reasonable person and can think beyond the one dimensional, so I read that the guy means dietary sugar and carbs.

    You clearly read it another way, not sure how, as pretty much everything in this thread is a discussion around sugar in our diets.

    If I didn't know better I would think you were being pedantic for pedantic sake.

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