Thank god for The China Study

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  • ILiftHeavyAcrylics
    ILiftHeavyAcrylics Posts: 27,732 Member
    Just popping in here quickly to say that claiming that vegetarianism is a sign of mental illness is ridiculous. Also Sara generally gets more protein than I do, and I'm a meat-eater. Saying the China Study is crap is one thing, and I'd completely agree with that. Saying that choosing to be vegetarian for moral, ethical, or preferential reasons means that a person has a mental illness is a completely different thing. Not cool.
  • DatMurse
    DatMurse Posts: 1,501 Member
    Just popping in here quickly to say that claiming that vegetarianism is a sign of mental illness is ridiculous. Also Sara generally gets more protein than I do, and I'm a meat-eater. Saying the China Study is crap is one thing, and I'd completely agree with that. Saying that choosing to be vegetarian for moral, ethical, or preferential reasons means that a person has a mental illness is a completely different thing. Not cool.

    i did not say anything about vegetarians having a mental illness
  • Otterluv
    Otterluv Posts: 9,083 Member
    Just popping in here quickly to say that claiming that vegetarianism is a sign of mental illness is ridiculous. Also Sara generally gets more protein than I do, and I'm a meat-eater. Saying the China Study is crap is one thing, and I'd completely agree with that. Saying that choosing to be vegetarian for moral, ethical, or preferential reasons means that a person has a mental illness is a completely different thing. Not cool.


    Agree 100%

    My husband has been a vegetarian his entire life (most of his family are veg. as well), and as far as I know they are all pretty mentally stable. However, I haven't checked the property for suspicious recently dug up spots, perhaps I better get on that.
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member

    1) - you can get a complete amino acid profile from plant based foods

    2) - lets not confuse veganism with vegetarianism

    3) - I agree that the China Study is a pile of cr@p when people try to use the 'findings' to tout the 'benefits' of a plant based diet.
    1)Yes you can obtain a complete amino acid from plant based food. this is true.
    but how much? my point was talking about the amino acid profile of animal based protein vs plant based protein.
    kinda straw man but just talking about .25g of EAA is not essential for muscle building so plant based protein would have to be pickier based upon the amino acid profile.
    ex. leucine in 100g of protein
    whey -11g
    casein - 8.9
    egg - 6.8
    soy 6.6
    hemp - 2.5-2.8
    Then you have BV, etc(just got numbers off random websites, did not evaluate the AA profile of all brands)
    http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/nutrition/what-are-good-sources-of-protein-introduction.html

    2) I know vegetarians can still be fine in the world of bodybuilding, i have been receiving vegetarian remakes since I been here in person on MAUI. Many of the haoles(white people) that happen to be hippies too are vegan/vegetarian and promote the china diet. I know you are a vegetarian. I am v

    3) agreed

    I agree that you cannot get as good 'bang for your protein/EAA buck' with plant based protein. Being on a calorie restricted diet makes it even harder. The few complete plant based protein sources are usually quite high in calories per gram of protein. Nutritional yeast is a complete protein (and usually has B12, which is a possible issue as you noted) - you get 50g protein for 281 calories - not bad...Per 45 calories, you get 592mg of leucine, which is in 8g of protein which = 7.4g per 100g protein - not bad at all...but who wants to (and who does) eat that much nutritional yeast!

    Note however that the 'best' protein source is vegetarian :tongue:


    (taking off some quotes)
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    Just popping in here quickly to say that claiming that vegetarianism is a sign of mental illness is ridiculous. Also Sara generally gets more protein than I do, and I'm a meat-eater. Saying the China Study is crap is one thing, and I'd completely agree with that. Saying that choosing to be vegetarian for moral, ethical, or preferential reasons means that a person has a mental illness is a completely different thing. Not cool.

    i did not say anything about vegetarians having a mental illness

    You did not :flowerforyou:
  • PikaKnight
    PikaKnight Posts: 34,971 Member
    Just popping in here quickly to say that claiming that vegetarianism is a sign of mental illness is ridiculous. Also Sara generally gets more protein than I do, and I'm a meat-eater. Saying the China Study is crap is one thing, and I'd completely agree with that. Saying that choosing to be vegetarian for moral, ethical, or preferential reasons means that a person has a mental illness is a completely different thing. Not cool.

    i did not say anything about vegetarians having a mental illness

    You did not :flowerforyou:

    This is why MFP really needs to revamp their forums to have who said what added to the quoting feature
  • tigersword
    tigersword Posts: 8,059 Member
    Why do people like to argue with each other about what they eat?

    Cheers to the study for trying to figure out what's healthy, but each person has to figure out for themselves what they should or shouldn't eat. My personal beliefs are not the same as all of my friends, and my metabolism is different too. Everybody's different.
    No.

    http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/you-are-not-different.html
  • Lupercalia
    Lupercalia Posts: 1,857 Member
    Denise Minger is awesome. That is all! :love:
  • jennifershoo
    jennifershoo Posts: 3,198 Member
    Bump to read later
  • jennifershoo
    jennifershoo Posts: 3,198 Member
    Why do people like to argue with each other about what they eat?

    Cheers to the study for trying to figure out what's healthy, but each person has to figure out for themselves what they should or shouldn't eat. My personal beliefs are not the same as all of my friends, and my metabolism is different too. Everybody's different.
    No.

    http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/you-are-not-different.html

    :smile:
  • DatMurse
    DatMurse Posts: 1,501 Member
    Why do people like to argue with each other about what they eat?

    Cheers to the study for trying to figure out what's healthy, but each person has to figure out for themselves what they should or shouldn't eat. My personal beliefs are not the same as all of my friends, and my metabolism is different too. Everybody's different.
    No.

    http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/you-are-not-different.html
    how dare you. my mom said I am a snowflake. you callin my mom a liar?
  • magerum
    magerum Posts: 12,589 Member
    Why do people like to argue with each other about what they eat?

    Cheers to the study for trying to figure out what's healthy, but each person has to figure out for themselves what they should or shouldn't eat. My personal beliefs are not the same as all of my friends, and my metabolism is different too. Everybody's different.
    No.

    http://www.bodyrecomposition.com/fat-loss/you-are-not-different.html
    how dare you. my mom said I am a snowflake. you callin my mom a liar?


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  • ndj1979
    ndj1979 Posts: 29,136 Member
    Why do people like to argue with each other about what they eat?

    Cheers to the study for trying to figure out what's healthy, but each person has to figure out for themselves what they should or shouldn't eat. My personal beliefs are not the same as all of my friends, and my metabolism is different too. Everybody's different.

    In...

    ...for a discussion of the importance and ramifications of accuracy and completeness in scientific studies and in the conclusions derived from them.

    you set your expectations too high my friend....
  • alieflora172
    alieflora172 Posts: 3
    I read this a few years ago. Very interesting read. My family is full of cancer from all sides and knowing that my lower protein diet may help me beat getting cancer myself gives me hope!
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    I read this a few years ago. Very interesting read. My family is full of cancer from all sides and knowing that my lower protein diet may help me beat getting cancer myself gives me hope!

    Where did it say that in the OP?
  • DatMurse
    DatMurse Posts: 1,501 Member
    I read this a few years ago. Very interesting read. My family is full of cancer from all sides and knowing that my lower protein diet may help me beat getting cancer myself gives me hope!

    lol?
    or maybe its demographic or a diet your family may be consuming.
    did you even read what was said? the book is horse ****
  • SideSteel
    SideSteel Posts: 11,068 Member
    The china study might suck, but vegans and vegetarians eat dem veggies and get swole.
  • DatMurse
    DatMurse Posts: 1,501 Member
    I would also like to add correlation does not mean causation.

    but if you follow and justify the china study. then not eating meat will give have a higher risk of causing cancer than not eating meat
  • Mrsallypants
    Mrsallypants Posts: 887 Member
    I raise and butcher my own animals, like dogs and detest cats, and voted for Romney. The plant eaters loathe me.
  • AnvilHead
    AnvilHead Posts: 18,343 Member
    The china study might suck, but vegans and vegetarians eat dem veggies and get swole.
    Is dat dere Celltech a veg*an product? :bigsmile:
  • Sarauk2sf
    Sarauk2sf Posts: 28,072 Member
    I raise and butcher my own animals, like dogs and detest cats, and voted for Romney. The plant eaters loathe me.

    There are probably quite a few meat eaters who also loathe you.
  • JetsetterBabe
    JetsetterBabe Posts: 20 Member
    A side not on meat eating: unless you're eating biologically appropriate fed animals raised in a pristine environment, you're eating a low quality product. And that varies greatly from the ancestral diet.
  • AnvilHead
    AnvilHead Posts: 18,343 Member
    A side not on meat eating: unless you're eating biologically appropriate fed animals raised in a pristine environment, you're eating a low quality product. And that varies greatly from the ancestral diet.
    I don't care about "the ancestral diet". I care about bacon. Mmmmmmmbacon.......
  • ILiftHeavyAcrylics
    ILiftHeavyAcrylics Posts: 27,732 Member
    Just popping in here quickly to say that claiming that vegetarianism is a sign of mental illness is ridiculous. Also Sara generally gets more protein than I do, and I'm a meat-eater. Saying the China Study is crap is one thing, and I'd completely agree with that. Saying that choosing to be vegetarian for moral, ethical, or preferential reasons means that a person has a mental illness is a completely different thing. Not cool.

    i did not say anything about vegetarians having a mental illness

    Sorry I should have quoted, was in a hurry. I was directing my comment to eric_sg61, not you. :flowerforyou:
  • DavPul
    DavPul Posts: 61,406 Member
    I raise and butcher my own animals, like dogs and detest cats, and voted for Romney. The plant eaters loathe me.

    i'm certain they do. just not for the reasons you think
  • GuybrushThreepw00d
    GuybrushThreepw00d Posts: 784 Member
    I raise and butcher my own animals, like dogs and detest cats.

    I've never heard of that breed of cat, but good on you for having a diet of dog and cat :smokin:
  • pspetralia
    pspetralia Posts: 963 Member
    I raise and butcher my own animals, like dogs and detest cats, and voted for Romney. The plant eaters loathe me.

    They aren't alone! How the hell can you detest cats?? :noway:
  • Otterluv
    Otterluv Posts: 9,083 Member
    I raise and butcher my own animals, like dogs and detest cats, and voted for Romney. The plant eaters loathe me.

    You are not a plant eater? Well, in that case, for your troubles:

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  • DavPul
    DavPul Posts: 61,406 Member
    A side not on meat eating: unless you're eating biologically appropriate fed animals raised in a pristine environment, you're eating a low quality product. And that varies greatly from the ancestral diet.

    You talking bout them ancestors that lived to an average age of 30?
  • brower47
    brower47 Posts: 16,356 Member
    I raise and butcher my own animals, like dogs and detest cats, and voted for Romney. The plant eaters loathe me.

    There are probably quite a few meat eaters who also loathe you.

    It's a shame that those qualities cause loathing.

    I loathe rapists, murderers, child molesters and people along those lines. Someone with differing pet preferences and a differing political opinion from me doesn't seem worth that sort of emotional investment. Maybe I'm weird that way.

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