Starting a juice re-boot!

Ellischase

I've watched Fat Sick and Nearly Dead a few times now, and read Joe Cross's book. Also read Eat to Live by Dr Fuhrman. Joe and Phil's success (especially Phil!) really inspired me to try again. I feel like I've tried every possible diet out there, and have come to realize moderation doesn't work for me. I need something drastic, a major re-set! I know it won't be easy at first, but I'm motivated by the success and ease once the first week or so has passed and withdrawals have gone.

I'm 51 yrs old, I have a full time job but work at home, and am a mom to 2 boys. I am at my absolute heaviest ever! It's shameful - 210 lbs and I'm only 5'3".

I'm on Day 2. Anyone want to join me? No criticism please, just encouragement and friends welcome.

PRMinx

Ellischase wrote: »

I've watched Fat Sick and Nearly Dead a few times now, and read Joe Cross's book. Also read Eat to Live by Dr Fuhrman. Joe and Phil's success (especially Phil!) really inspired me to try again. I feel like I've tried every possible diet out there, and have come to realize moderation doesn't work for me. I need something drastic, a major re-set! I know it won't be easy at first, but I'm motivated by the success and ease once the first week or so has passed and withdrawals have gone.

I'm 51 yrs old, I have a full time job but work at home, and am a mom to 2 boys. I am at my absolute heaviest ever! It's shameful - 210 lbs and I'm only 5'3".

I'm on Day 2. Anyone want to join me? No criticism please, just encouragement and friends welcome.

Every diet out there is not moderation. It's crash diets and gimmicks, for the most part.

Have you tried weighing and logging your food consistently for weeks at a time? I bet that will work and you won't feel deprived.

queenliz99

Think of it this way, we are your friends here and want you to do well. Juice fasting is the most tortuous way to lose weight. You learn nothing from drinking juice all day and nothing about calorie counting. Seriously, eat what you want, eat in a sleight deficit and this is very easy. This is a lifestyle not a diet. You can do this!!

Ellischase

Yes, I've tried that many times but I know myself and I need to get over some food addictions. I'd really love just support and encouragement.

Azexas

queenliz99 wrote: »

Think of it this way, we are your friends here and want you to do well. Juice fasting is the most tortuous way to lose weight. You learn nothing from drinking juice all day and nothing about calorie counting. Seriously, eat what you want, eat in a sleight deficit and this is very easy. This is a lifestyle not a diet. You can do this!!

^^All this. Your body doesn't need a reboot. You're not a computer . If you eat at a reasonable deficit you will lose weight and possibly learn more along the way then by juicing.

missiontofitness

queenliz99 wrote: »

Think of it this way, we are your friends here and want you to do well. Juice fasting is the most tortuous way to lose weight. You learn nothing from drinking juice all day and nothing about calorie counting. Seriously, eat what you want, eat in a sleight deficit and this is very easy. This is a lifestyle not a diet. You can do this!!

It's also so expensive, and so wasteful. All that fiber left behind!

Ellischase

From the many posts I've read of people who have done it, it seems like it is tortuous - but really only the first week. After that they feel great and continue on to their goal. And once the fast is over they've learned the benefits of micro-nutrients. I'm sure plenty have reverted back to old habits. I'd like to be part of the plenty that have done this and never want to go back.

I'd really love just support and encouragement and partners who are with me.

Ellischase

ok, perhaps this isn't the best site to ask for help. I really need someone on my team, someone supporting me, rather than judgement and criticism. This is really discouraging and I'm on the verge of tears.

missiontofitness

Ellischase wrote: »

From the many posts I've read of people who have done it, it seems like it is tortuous - but really only the first week. After that they feel great and continue on to their goal. And once the fast is over they've learned the benefits of micro-nutrients. I'm sure plenty have reverted back to old habits. I'd like to be part of the plenty that have done this and never want to go back.

I'd really love just support and encouragement and partners who are with me.

As someone who has done moderation and calorie counting for 11 months now...trust me, this juice fast will not help you. I'm being 100% honest.

It's a VLCD so you are going to drop a lot of water weight. It's torturous because you are not able to hit your calorie goals. Drinking juice doesn't teach you how to weigh your food, to test out different calorie goals to see what you lose and maintain on, or any sustainable changes.

You say moderation doesn't work for you: how hard have you tried? Moderation is TOUGH! But you need to stick with it, take the good with the bad, and learn sustainable habits for you through trial and error. You've got two kids who need a healthy and happy mom. Make good choices that keep you energized and healthy for them!

missiontofitness

Ellischase wrote: »

ok, perhaps this isn't the best site to ask for help. I really need someone on my team, someone supporting me, rather than judgement and criticism. This is really discouraging and I'm on the verge of tears.

Just because people are not agreeing with you does not mean we are not supporting you. You are getting good advice here; it's just not what you want to hear. A lot of us see this juice fast for what it is; a quick fix that is not going to help you in the long run. We want to see you succeed, make sustainable changes for yourself, and keep yourself in the best shape possible while you do it.

Azexas

Ellischase wrote: »

ok, perhaps this isn't the best site to ask for help. I really need someone on my team, someone supporting me, rather than judgement and criticism. This is really discouraging and I'm on the verge of tears.

We are supporting you. We're just not telling you what you want to hear.

Ellischase

Yes, obviously I just haven't tried hard enough. Me and the millions of others struggling. I'm just going to try to delete this message board. This is the exact opposite of what I had hoped for.

missiontofitness

Ellischase wrote: »

Yes, obviously I just haven't tried hard enough. Me and the millions of others struggling. I'm just going to try to delete this message board. This is the exact opposite of what I had hoped for.

I'm sorry you feel that way.

auddii

Ellischase wrote: »

Yes, obviously I just haven't tried hard enough. Me and the millions of others struggling. I'm just going to try to delete this message board. This is the exact opposite of what I had hoped for.

Good luck with your quick fix. You'e gotten a lot of good advice. And it usually isn't people aren't trying hard enough. It's being consistent and having patience. That is DEFINITELY the hardest part.

missiontofitness

auddii wrote: »

Ellischase wrote: »

Yes, obviously I just haven't tried hard enough. Me and the millions of others struggling. I'm just going to try to delete this message board. This is the exact opposite of what I had hoped for.

Good luck with your quick fix. You'e gotten a lot of good advice. And it usually isn't people aren't trying hard enough. It's being consistent and having patience. That is DEFINITELY the hardest part.

Yep. Moderation is the toughest thing I ever learned, and I had a lot of slip-ups along the way. It doesn't happen overnight, and it really takes a lot of hard work, persistence, and self control.

RGv2

Ellischase wrote: »

Yes, obviously I just haven't tried hard enough. Me and the millions of others struggling. I'm just going to try to delete this message board. This is the exact opposite of what I had hoped for.

I understand that this is the opposite of what you hoped to hear, but it's the truth. Sometimes the truth isn't what you want to hear, but it's what you need to hear. You didn't watch a documentary, you watched a commercial for their juicer. People are telling you the truth about "re-boots". Please don't take their input as criticism towards you, they're trying to help you for the long term.

GiveMeCoffee

Look I know you aren't hearing what you were hoping for, but it really is good advice. 2 years ago I felt like you did, I thought I had tried every diet I could think of, and this was my last ditch effort. I was 285 lbs, in and out of hospitals, and things were not looking good. I work from home as well and I get that too. But the juice fast isn't going to do anything to make a long term change.

What it takes is lots of patience, willingness to keep going even when it sucks, being brutally honest with your logging, and to keep showing up. It took me about 18 months to lose over 100 lbs, but along the way I got my life back, learned tons about nutrition and about myself. Throw out all the stuff you thought about dieting, use logical thinking when someone is pushing a diet plan that you have to buy their book, supplement or whatever they are pushing. Understand it takes time to learn, portion control & moderation, but when you find the balance it's so damn worth it.

Aviva92

Ellischase wrote: »

ok, perhaps this isn't the best site to ask for help. I really need someone on my team, someone supporting me, rather than judgement and criticism. This is really discouraging and I'm on the verge of tears.

I saw the o.p. and cringed. These threads on juicing always result in negativity.

I've never tried juicing, but it would bug me to waste all that fiber. It's so hard for me to get enough fiber to begin with. Why can't you just eat fruit and vegetables the regular way? Vegetables taste good if made right and fruit always tastes good. Why juice?

You can learn about micronutrients via a regular diet. You don't need juicing for that.

Aviva92

I find vegetables to be filling for very few calories. Better to just eat more of them.

PrizePopple

Ellischase wrote: »

Yes, obviously I just haven't tried hard enough. Me and the millions of others struggling. I'm just going to try to delete this message board. This is the exact opposite of what I had hoped for.

Good solid advice is not what you had hoped for? Your first problem is going into this refusing to listen to anything other than what you are hell bent on. No juicing and cleanses are not popular here because it's just another thing in a line of fad diets that people think will be the holy grail of weight loss, and they're not.

Do you want to do juicing every single day for the rest of your life? Probably not. Hence learning to eat within the calories you need is what will give you the best results. There's no real magic to losing weight, just being accountable and willing to accept that sometimes you're going to fall flat on your face (and possibly right into a tub of ricotta if you're me right now).

Ellischase

Thank you for the comments, I know you all mean well. At 51 I'm not new to dieting, and you're not telling me anything I don't already know. I'm not a rocket scientist, nor am I a halfwit - I've done plenty of research on my own. The movie was free since it's on Netflix, I already owned Dr Fuhrman's book as well as others (particularly one on psoriasis by Dr Pagano), and just had to dust off the juicer we already owned. Joe Cross isn't making any money off of me.

I know this isn't a long term solution, at the very least I'm hopeful for a break from a sugar addiction and some weight loss momentum. I've heard the critics, but I've also heard from a lot of people who have been amazingly successful. I'm hoping to be one of them.

I was also hoping for encouragement and support and motivating words and maybe a partner/friend to join with me. I asked for no criticism. I started this post with anticipation and within an hour was in tears from the pile up on me. This has been incredibly discouraging.

CupcakeCrusoe

Hello, fellow Virginian!

I understand where you're coming from. I watched that documentary myself, and for a couple days considered the message.

But...Please listen to the advice here, it's good. I did not lose weight (I'm not talking about water weight, you can do that a bunch of ways, I mean real honest to goodness weight) until I started following the guidelines of this website.

It's simple:
1. Set your calorie goals.
2. Log everything you eat and drink
3. Keep your calorie number in the green.

Please don't give up on this website because we're not big fans of juicing. We're not big fans because it doesn't work well long-term for anybody. We want the best for you.

Friend me if you'd like.

cwolfman13

missiontofitness

Ellischase wrote: »

Thank you for the comments, I know you all mean well. At 51 I'm not new to dieting, and you're not telling me anything I don't already know. I'm not a rocket scientist, nor am I a halfwit - I've done plenty of research on my own. The movie was free since it's on Netflix, I already owned Dr Fuhrman's book as well as others (particularly one on psoriasis by Dr Pagano), and just had to dust off the juicer we already owned. Joe Cross isn't making any money off of me.

I know this isn't a long term solution, at the very least I'm hopeful for a break from a sugar addiction and some weight loss momentum. I've heard the critics, but I've also heard from a lot of people who have been amazingly successful. I'm hoping to be one of them.

I was also hoping for encouragement and support and motivating words and maybe a partner/friend to join with me. I asked for no criticism. I started this post with anticipation and within an hour was in tears from the pile up on me. This has been incredibly discouraging.

Not agreeing with your post does not mean we are criticizing you. You did get plenty of great advice about approaching this in a way that does not involve a VLCD. I understand that people not agreeing can be discouraging, but there are plenty of people in this thread who have accomplished the difficult task of losing weight through calorie counting, moderation, and not relying on juice fasts to do so.

You also recieved a lot of motivating comments as well. Please try not to take this personally; these responses were not an attack against you, but simply trying to point out that there are far better approaches to weight loss than this.

missiontofitness

CupcakeCrusoe wrote: »

Hello, fellow Virginian!

I understand where you're coming from. I watched that documentary myself, and for a couple days considered the message.

But...Please listen to the advice here, it's good. I did not lose weight (I'm not talking about water weight, you can do that a bunch of ways, I mean real honest to goodness weight) until I started following the guidelines of this website.

It's simple:
1. Set your calorie goals.
2. Log everything you eat and drink
3. Keep your calorie number in the green.

Please don't give up on this website because we're not big fans of juicing. We're not big fans because it doesn't work well long-term for anybody. We want the best for you.

Friend me if you'd like.

And as a aside; juice can be awesome! There's nothing wrong with supplementing your intake with homemade juices. But relying on them solely for the length of a fast? That's what most people here are not going to endorse or recommend.

CupcakeCrusoe

missiontofitness wrote: »

CupcakeCrusoe wrote: »

Hello, fellow Virginian!

I understand where you're coming from. I watched that documentary myself, and for a couple days considered the message.

But...Please listen to the advice here, it's good. I did not lose weight (I'm not talking about water weight, you can do that a bunch of ways, I mean real honest to goodness weight) until I started following the guidelines of this website.

It's simple:
1. Set your calorie goals.
2. Log everything you eat and drink
3. Keep your calorie number in the green.

Please don't give up on this website because we're not big fans of juicing. We're not big fans because it doesn't work well long-term for anybody. We want the best for you.

Friend me if you'd like.

And as a aside; juice can be awesome! There's nothing wrong with supplementing your intake with homemade juices. But relying on them solely for the length of a fast? That's what most people here are not going to endorse or recommend.

True statement, thanks for that.

ninerbuff

Ellischase wrote: »

Thank you for the comments, I know you all mean well. At 51 I'm not new to dieting, and you're not telling me anything I don't already know. I'm not a rocket scientist, nor am I a halfwit - I've done plenty of research on my own. The movie was free since it's on Netflix, I already owned Dr Fuhrman's book as well as others (particularly one on psoriasis by Dr Pagano), and just had to dust off the juicer we already owned. Joe Cross isn't making any money off of me.

I know this isn't a long term solution, at the very least I'm hopeful for a break from a sugar addiction and some weight loss momentum. I've heard the critics, but I've also heard from a lot of people who have been amazingly successful. I'm hoping to be one of them.

I was also hoping for encouragement and support and motivating words and maybe a partner/friend to join with me. I asked for no criticism. I started this post with anticipation and within an hour was in tears from the pile up on me. This has been incredibly discouraging.

Honestly, you'll be running the same cycle you've been running your whole life then. If you're not new to dieting, then you should know this is just another diet. You want good support, then here's some:
You are worth it. You can do it. Is it going to be tough? Yep. But in the end if you can maintain it and continue a good eating lifestyle, it'll be worth more than you know. How do I know? Because I'm 51 too and have led a great life being pretty fit so far. So much so that I teach others how to do it. And if you're willing to take some advice, I'd advise that you don't do this as a means to lose weight. Rather let's look at an approach that you can sustain for years on in. Your move now.

A.C.E. Certified Personal and Group Fitness Trainer
IDEA Fitness member
Kickboxing Certified Instructor
Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition

wizzybeth

I'm sorry that you feel unsupported - but honestly, these responses you've gotten have been very kind and thoughtful, written with a definite attitude of concern and caring - not snarky or negative.

I have a juicer - a beautiful $400 juicer. I do use it occasionally - I had to stop juicing regularly because of the cost. Plus I could never eat like that the rest of my life. Occasionally I want some delicious carrot-apple-celery juice as a treat - but not going to make green juices with beets, kale, and others forever. I also watched Fat Sick and Nearly Dead. And I knew I wanted to lose weight, and I wanted to eat healthier. But juicing daily for heaven knows how long just is not sustainable....I don't have an unlimited budget. It's EXPENSIVE!

That's how I ended up here. Using MFP faithfully I am seeing that when I eat a normal, well balanced, more-veggies-than-junk, more-whole-foods-than-junk eating plan...I see that I have almost all of the nutrients I need every day. Only come up a tad bit short of iron every so often.

Go ahead and do your juicing - you have to get it out of your system. Then come back - we'll be waiting for you and ready to encourage you in eating in a healthy, normal, sustainable-for-life way.

MKEgal

We're trying to encourage & support you to do something healthy, turn away from something that will not help your health (in the short or long run).

Please go read through the links in this newbie help post, especially sexypants, accurate food logging, goal setting (weight, calories, macros)...

You might also benefit from the "eat real food" post.

Yes, obviously I just haven't tried hard enough. Me and the millions of others struggling

Honey, we're all struggling. That's why we're here. We're all sick of being fat & out of shape.
(Yes, I know, round is a shape. Shush.)

So many of us have done the exact same thing you did, by thinking you've "tried every diet out there".
But we eventually learned how to do it right, the only successful method:
eat fewer calories than we burn.
That's the ONLY thing that works.
By making it a small deficit it's easier to live with, but you're going to lose weight more slowly.

All that produce you're going to juice... eat it instead. Eat the whole thing (well, all that's supposed to be eaten, be reasonable). The fiber is good for your digestion, lowers cholesterol, helps you feel fuller longer. I bet you won't be able to physically eat everything you'd been intending to juice, and that will cause you to eat fewer calories.

Don't "go on a diet", don't do something crazy you can't sustain for the rest of your life, because it might work in the short term but you're not learning to eat sensibly, which is what you need for the rest of your life.

Your ticker says you want to lose 72 lb. You can do that.
I've done that. Many other people here have done that.
We've done it by eating a little less and moving a little more.
Nothing drastic.

MKEgal

Ellischase wrote:

I was also hoping for encouragement and support and motivating words and maybe a partner/friend to join with me. I asked for no criticism. I started this post with anticipation and within an hour was in tears from the pile up on me. This has been incredibly discouraging.

I'm sorry you're feeling that way, but honestly sweetie there have been some incredibly supportive posts here, and nobody has been snarky or mean, which is absolutely incredible! (Seriously, go have a look around the fora. It gets nasty.)
We're trying to steer you away from something that's not going to help you, and might hurt you.
That's what caring people do!

Ellischase wrote:

I know this isn't a long term solution, at the very least I'm hopeful for a break from a sugar addiction

Um, you do know that fruits have sugar, right? Veggies too, but lots less.
What did you expect to juice that didn't have sugar?
And having the fiber in the fruits that you eat whole helps moderate the blood sugar spike (up & down) that comes from those simple sugars.
Eat the whole food!

Serah87

Agree with everyone. OP read the newbie links above. Set up your calories goals, make sure you log accurately and weigh solids foods and measure liquids, exercise=lose weight!!

You can do it!!!