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JimFsfitnesspal wrote: »Sorry Psulemon, I missed your post because ours were at the same time.
That is why I told MrM that it is different for different bodies... I have only been lifting for the last year or so. Maybe that explains why I am gaining in a deficit. Either way I am, so I do not care what any study says... this is reality.
They are not "wild recommendations" P, it is just science. I have seen alot more people here agree with me than not. Again, it may not work for you young male bodybuilders... however it works for alot of other older people. And again, I do not need to substantiate any claim because the facts are I lost 25 pounds of fat and gained 5 pounds of muscle... FACT. Take it and use it, or don't. So while not cutting carbs worked for you, it by no means is required for anyone....
Im sorry you have to eat more than 250 carbs. That is your body condition. I am fine especially if I have a pre-workout snack or bar on my lifting days to give me some carbs and protein. A few times I dipped way too low on the overall calories and that affected my heavy lifts as well. I watch that now. These two things keep me plenty fueled for what I need to do. And I more closely restrict my carbs on my cardio days.
As far as your statement that you think the added muscle burns little fat, I'm a bit skeptical. Ill go check it out though.
Thanks
How are you measuring body fat?
A good article on muscle estimates.
http://www.builtlean.com/2013/04/16/muscle-burn-calories/
Also, no one is arguing that muscle doesn't burn more than fat, we argue that it burns enough calories to make a difference.
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prattiger65 wrote: »JimFsfitnesspal wrote: »Sorry Psulemon, I missed your post because ours were at the same time.
That is why I told MrM that it is different for different bodies... I have only been lifting for the last year or so. Maybe that explains why I am gaining in a deficit. Either way I am, so I do not care what any study says... this is reality.
They are not "wild recommendations" P, it is just science. I have seen alot more people here agree with me than not. Again, it may not work for you young male bodybuilders... however it works for alot of other older people. And again, I do not need to substantiate any claim because the facts are I lost 25 pounds of fat and gained 5 pounds of muscle... FACT. Take it and use it, or don't. So while not cutting carbs worked for you, it by no means is required for anyone....
Im sorry you have to eat more than 250 carbs. That is your body condition. I am fine especially if I have a pre-workout snack or bar on my lifting days to give me some carbs and protein. A few times I dipped way too low on the overall calories and that affected my heavy lifts as well. I watch that now. These two things keep me plenty fueled for what I need to do. And I more closely restrict my carbs on my cardio days.
As far as your statement that you think the added muscle burns little fat, I'm a bit skeptical. Ill go check it out though.
Thanks
I don't think you are purposely misleading us, however, you most certainly mistaken. But, good luck brother.
It is not me that is saying it. There are many mainstream programs and people who live by all this. Someone at the top of the page gave some info about the Atkins diet as well which has alot of similarities. Do a little research.0 -
JimFsfitnesspal wrote: »
It is not me that is saying it. There are many mainstream programs and people who live by all this. Someone at the top of the page gave some info about the Atkins diet as well which has alot of similarities. Do a little research.
Just because a program promises something, doesn't make it founded by solid science. Just look at all of the detox and cleanses.
Regarding atkins, they promise up to 20lbs the first month because they know the average person will lose a ton of water weight from glycogen depletion. So your 20 lbs lose is merely water weight loss.
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JimFsfitnesspal wrote: »Sorry Psulemon, I
As far as your statement that you think the added muscle burns little fat, I'm a bit skeptical. Ill go check it out though.
Thanks
How are you measuring body fat?
A good article on muscle estimates.
http://www.builtlean.com/2013/04/16/muscle-burn-calories/
Also, no one is arguing that muscle doesn't burn more than fat, we argue that it burns enough calories to make a difference.
Thanks. Ill go check it out.
I just learned recently (on one of the BMR calc sites) how I could calculate my bodyfat. I have the number for now and for my goal weight but I would have to use my starting numbers to figure out how much fat I lost and therefore how much muscle I gained.
And as I said. Alot of people would love to lose three pounds of fat in a year.0 -
I don't do "low" anything but I do tend to favour foods that are higher in fat because I enjoy them more and they satiate my hunger (:0
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JimFsfitnesspal wrote: »JimFsfitnesspal wrote: »Sorry Psulemon, I
As far as your statement that you think the added muscle burns little fat, I'm a bit skeptical. Ill go check it out though.
Thanks
How are you measuring body fat?
A good article on muscle estimates.
http://www.builtlean.com/2013/04/16/muscle-burn-calories/
Also, no one is arguing that muscle doesn't burn more than fat, we argue that it burns enough calories to make a difference.
Thanks. Ill go check it out.
I just learned recently (on one of the BMR calc sites) how I could calculate my bodyfat. I have the number for now and for my goal weight but I would have to use my starting numbers to figure out how much fat I lost and therefore how much muscle I gained.
And as I said. Alot of people would love to lose three pounds of fat in a year.
Using online calculators are not a solid source of figuring out fat loss vs muscle gains. They can be vastly inaccurate.
If you had a DXA scan or hydrostatic (water immersion) then it could be a bit more believable. But not with an online calculation. Not trying to be rude.
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JimFsfitnesspal wrote: »
It is not me that is saying it. There are many mainstream programs and people who live by all this. Someone at the top of the page gave some info about the Atkins diet as well which has alot of similarities. Do a little research.
Just because a program promises something, doesn't make it founded by solid science. Just look at all of the detox and cleanses.
Regarding atkins, they promise up to 20lbs the first month because they know the average person will lose a ton of water weight from glycogen depletion. So your 20 lbs lose is merely water weight loss.
I did not lose mine doing Atkins. I lost 25 pounds of fat and gained 5 pounds of muscle lifting heavy weights, a little cardio, and sensible carb / sugar reduction.0 -
JimFsfitnesspal wrote: »JimFsfitnesspal wrote: »
It is not me that is saying it. There are many mainstream programs and people who live by all this. Someone at the top of the page gave some info about the Atkins diet as well which has alot of similarities. Do a little research.
Just because a program promises something, doesn't make it founded by solid science. Just look at all of the detox and cleanses.
Regarding atkins, they promise up to 20lbs the first month because they know the average person will lose a ton of water weight from glycogen depletion. So your 20 lbs lose is merely water weight loss.
I did not lose mine doing Atkins. I lost 25 pounds of fat and gained 5 pounds of muscle lifting heavy weights, a little cardio, and sensible carb / sugar reduction.
Again, this is based on an internet calculation, which can be vastly off. So promoting this information as fact is disingenuous and unsubstantiated by reliable methods. That information alone is where you will get called out consistently.
And my purpose of using Atkins or detoxes was to address your comment about mainstream programs promoting wild claims.
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JimFsfitnesspal wrote: »JimFsfitnesspal wrote: »
It is not me that is saying it. There are many mainstream programs and people who live by all this. Someone at the top of the page gave some info about the Atkins diet as well which has alot of similarities. Do a little research.
Just because a program promises something, doesn't make it founded by solid science. Just look at all of the detox and cleanses.
Regarding atkins, they promise up to 20lbs the first month because they know the average person will lose a ton of water weight from glycogen depletion. So your 20 lbs lose is merely water weight loss.
I did not lose mine doing Atkins. I lost 25 pounds of fat and gained 5 pounds of muscle lifting heavy weights, a little cardio, and sensible carb / sugar reduction.
Again, this is based on an internet calculation, which can be vastly off. So promoting this information as fact is disingenuous and unsubstantiated by reliable methods. That information alone is where you will get called out consistently.
And my purpose of using Atkins or detoxes was to address your comment about mainstream programs promoting wild claims.
No, I definitely lost 20 pounds of weight. FACT.
The 5 for 5 muscle gain was an estimate based on half a pound of gain per month... conservative estimate.
I just went to the online calculator (sorry I do not have an immersion bath handy) and it says I lost 30 pounds of fat and with my 20 pounds of weight loss that means 10 pounds of muscle gain.
No matter how you look at it, I lost alot of fat and gained alot of muscle. I post on myfitnesspal how I personally did that so that others can use it. Im not here to try to singlehandedly defend any national program or another that you CLAIM has wild claims.0 -
JimFsfitnesspal wrote: »JimFsfitnesspal wrote: »JimFsfitnesspal wrote: »
It is not me that is saying it. There are many mainstream programs and people who live by all this. Someone at the top of the page gave some info about the Atkins diet as well which has alot of similarities. Do a little research.
Just because a program promises something, doesn't make it founded by solid science. Just look at all of the detox and cleanses.
Regarding atkins, they promise up to 20lbs the first month because they know the average person will lose a ton of water weight from glycogen depletion. So your 20 lbs lose is merely water weight loss.
I did not lose mine doing Atkins. I lost 25 pounds of fat and gained 5 pounds of muscle lifting heavy weights, a little cardio, and sensible carb / sugar reduction.
Again, this is based on an internet calculation, which can be vastly off. So promoting this information as fact is disingenuous and unsubstantiated by reliable methods. That information alone is where you will get called out consistently.
And my purpose of using Atkins or detoxes was to address your comment about mainstream programs promoting wild claims.
No, I definitely lost 20 pounds of weight. FACT.
The 5 for 5 muscle gain was an estimate based on half a pound of gain per month... conservative estimate.
I just went to the online calculator (sorry I do not have an immersion bath handy) and it says I lost 30 pounds of fat and with my 20 pounds of weight loss that means 10 pounds of muscle gain.
No matter how you look at it, I lost alot of fat and gained alot of muscle. I post on myfitnesspal how I personally did that so that others can use it. Im not here to try to singlehandedly defend any national program or another that you CLAIM has wild claims.
Hey, what calculator? I just went to the ShapeFit one and I think the estimate was probably very off for myself based on how I carry my weight. Or did you do the skinfold method?0 -
Hey, what calculator? I just went to the ShapeFit one and I think the estimate was probably very off for myself based on how I carry my weight. Or did you do the skinfold method?
Ill go check that one out thanks.
I used the one at bmi-calculator.net which had my BMR pretty close to Myfitnesspals BMR for me (they use different methods).0 -
krknobbe10 wrote: »I keep going over by a little bit and just want to focus on having less fat in my body and build muscle so I have some fat, just not a ton and I don't want to go over which I don't do often
op - didn't you post a thread along these lines about a month ago..??
I recall suggesting that you needed to start staring lifts 5x5 and try to add some muscle and actually eat more…
did you ever do that?
from this thread, i am guessing no….0 -
JimFsfitnesspal wrote: »JimFsfitnesspal wrote: »JimFsfitnesspal wrote: »
It is not me that is saying it. There are many mainstream programs and people who live by all this. Someone at the top of the page gave some info about the Atkins diet as well which has alot of similarities. Do a little research.
Just because a program promises something, doesn't make it founded by solid science. Just look at all of the detox and cleanses.
Regarding atkins, they promise up to 20lbs the first month because they know the average person will lose a ton of water weight from glycogen depletion. So your 20 lbs lose is merely water weight loss.
I did not lose mine doing Atkins. I lost 25 pounds of fat and gained 5 pounds of muscle lifting heavy weights, a little cardio, and sensible carb / sugar reduction.
Again, this is based on an internet calculation, which can be vastly off. So promoting this information as fact is disingenuous and unsubstantiated by reliable methods. That information alone is where you will get called out consistently.
And my purpose of using Atkins or detoxes was to address your comment about mainstream programs promoting wild claims.
No, I definitely lost 20 pounds of weight. FACT.
The 5 for 5 muscle gain was an estimate based on half a pound of gain per month... conservative estimate.
I just went to the online calculator (sorry I do not have an immersion bath handy) and it says I lost 30 pounds of fat and with my 20 pounds of weight loss that means 10 pounds of muscle gain.
No matter how you look at it, I lost alot of fat and gained alot of muscle. I post on myfitnesspal how I personally did that so that others can use it. Im not here to try to singlehandedly defend any national program or another that you CLAIM has wild claims.
wait your dropped 20 pounds of fat but someone managed to gain 5 pounds of muscle.???
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obscuremusicreference wrote: »
Hey, what calculator? I just went to the ShapeFit one and I think the estimate was probably very off for myself based on how I carry my weight. Or did you do the skinfold method?
I tried the Shapefit calc and it was within a pound of the bmi-calculator.net one.
Until April that will just have to do. Does not really matter all that much anyway (except to some high strung people here). My relative loss of fat and muscle gain is what is important to me.
I also thought it would be a more accurate picture of my fat loss / muscle gain and I think it was. Ten pounds of muscle seems closer to what my body looks like now.0 -
"JimFsfitnesspal wrote: »obscuremusicreference wrote: »
Hey, what calculator? I just went to the ShapeFit one and I think the estimate was probably very off for myself based on how I carry my weight. Or did you do the skinfold method?
"I tried the Shapefit calc and it was within a pound of the bmi-calculator.net one.
Until April that will just have to do. Does not really matter all that much anyway (except to some high strung people here). My relative loss of fat and muscle gain is what is important to me.
I also thought it would be a more accurate picture of my fat loss / muscle gain and I think it was. Ten pounds of muscle seems closer to what my body looks like now.
I just want to be absolutely clear here for people reading this who may be new to fitness and nutrition. This is almost certainly patently FALSE. I try very hard not to be negative and berate people who may be spreading falsehoods by accident. However, your responses in this thread so far lead me to only one conclusion, you really don't know what you are talking about and you refuse to listen. You are wrong sir.0
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