Calorie dense clean food?
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Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Good fatty red meats, for example: lamb shank, full-fat beef mince (or whatever they call it in your country), rib-eye steak.
You'll find some higher fat meats like mutton, pork shoulder, and braise steak are great slow cookers that produce fantastically tasty dishes and are melt-in-the-mouth with the addition of a few herbs/stock/spices.
Plenty of butter. Lots of butter.
Butter a steak and that's win-win!
For sure!
agreed…
however, I don't think that is going to be clean enough for OP
Clean really means whatever the person declaiming it says it means.
In that it doesn't mean much at all.
But raw meat, raised in a way that pleases the person and cooked simply with a few quality ingredients can't offend even the staunchest of cleanies, can it?
In most definitions of "clean" a solid cut of meat, particularly if raised to certain standards like grass-fed, and hormone/antibitoic free would qualify but not to a person using a plant-based definition.
once you add the butter it is then a dirty, dirty, thing….
Surely butter churned from the milk of the same cow you were willing to fry would still be ok? OP did say they were already having milk (or did I misread that?)0 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Good fatty red meats, for example: lamb shank, full-fat beef mince (or whatever they call it in your country), rib-eye steak.
You'll find some higher fat meats like mutton, pork shoulder, and braise steak are great slow cookers that produce fantastically tasty dishes and are melt-in-the-mouth with the addition of a few herbs/stock/spices.
Plenty of butter. Lots of butter.
Butter a steak and that's win-win!
For sure!
agreed…
however, I don't think that is going to be clean enough for OP
Clean really means whatever the person declaiming it says it means.
In that it doesn't mean much at all.
But raw meat, raised in a way that pleases the person and cooked simply with a few quality ingredients can't offend even the staunchest of cleanies, can it?
In most definitions of "clean" a solid cut of meat, particularly if raised to certain standards like grass-fed, and hormone/antibitoic free would qualify but not to a person using a plant-based definition.
once you add the butter it is then a dirty, dirty, thing….
Surely butter churned from the milk of the same cow you were willing to fry would still be ok? OP did say they were already having milk (or did I misread that?)
she did not list butter…she listed olive oil so I guses butter would be OK …
I would say yes, but I eat everything and anything in moderation …i just focus on hitting calorie/micro/macro targets….
would that be OK for OP …I guess we will see if she comes back..there are a million different definitions of clean, none of which I adhere too
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LOL what are we in the 1980's now…??? I eat all those foods regularly and my health markers come back near excellent every year at my physical….
you realize this is the gaming forum, right?0 -
Nuts are going to be the easiest to increase your calories with. Nutrient dense and generally high calorie. Legumes (beans) are also good, but not as high calorie for the protein/fiber content as nuts. Also, you should really be putting some meats in rotation. You don't normally get much creatine in nuts or beans and I'm sure you'd rather get it naturally than with some powder.
but who wants to bulk on nuts and beans?????
much easier to incorporate ice cream, bagels, full fat butter, cream cheese, cottage cheese, and yogurt, cookies, etc...
Okay, so we put her on a strict GOMAD with buttermilk instead of whole, or do we want to go whole hog and have her do condensed?0 -
Nuts are going to be the easiest to increase your calories with. Nutrient dense and generally high calorie. Legumes (beans) are also good, but not as high calorie for the protein/fiber content as nuts. Also, you should really be putting some meats in rotation. You don't normally get much creatine in nuts or beans and I'm sure you'd rather get it naturally than with some powder.
but who wants to bulk on nuts and beans?????
much easier to incorporate ice cream, bagels, full fat butter, cream cheese, cottage cheese, and yogurt, cookies, etc...
Okay, so we put her on a strict GOMAD with buttermilk instead of whole, or do we want to go whole hog and have her do condensed?
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Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Good fatty red meats, for example: lamb shank, full-fat beef mince (or whatever they call it in your country), rib-eye steak.
You'll find some higher fat meats like mutton, pork shoulder, and braise steak are great slow cookers that produce fantastically tasty dishes and are melt-in-the-mouth with the addition of a few herbs/stock/spices.
Plenty of butter. Lots of butter.
Butter a steak and that's win-win!
For sure!
agreed…
however, I don't think that is going to be clean enough for OP
Clean really means whatever the person declaiming it says it means.
In that it doesn't mean much at all.
But raw meat, raised in a way that pleases the person and cooked simply with a few quality ingredients can't offend even the staunchest of cleanies, can it?
In most definitions of "clean" a solid cut of meat, particularly if raised to certain standards like grass-fed, and hormone/antibitoic free would qualify but not to a person using a plant-based definition.
once you add the butter it is then a dirty, dirty, thing….
I'm down for getting dirty!0 -
Eating "junk foods" will not affect the quality of your bulk.
An individual who is eating "clean" but in a 1,000+ calorie surplus daily is going to gain more fat in their bulk than a person who eats "Junk" but only has a 250 calorie surplus daily.0 -
The low carb crowd already showed this wasn't necessarily a bad thing. Keto followers are very high fat eaters, much of it saturated, and Atkins followers also eat a large amount of saturated fat, yet their blood work tends to be fine as well.0 -
if you were going to have milk I don't see why you couldn't also have cheese, cottage cheese, etc.0
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Nuts are going to be the easiest to increase your calories with. Nutrient dense and generally high calorie. Legumes (beans) are also good, but not as high calorie for the protein/fiber content as nuts. Also, you should really be putting some meats in rotation. You don't normally get much creatine in nuts or beans and I'm sure you'd rather get it naturally than with some powder.
but who wants to bulk on nuts and beans?????
much easier to incorporate ice cream, bagels, full fat butter, cream cheese, cottage cheese, and yogurt, cookies, etc...
Okay, so we put her on a strict GOMAD with buttermilk instead of whole, or do we want to go whole hog and have her do condensed?
I think she wanted a few more calories not 10K, but I could be wrong!
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Please post recent research/evidence showing saturated fats as cause/direct relation to short or long term health concerns.0 -
beastcompany wrote: »Eating "junk foods" will not affect the quality of your bulk.
An individual who is eating "clean" but in a 1,000+ calorie surplus daily is going to gain more fat in their bulk than a person who eats "Junk" but only has a 250 calorie surplus daily.
but clean????0 -
_Terrapin_ wrote: »What are your goals? How much weight do you wish to gain? I think there are plenty of calorie dense foods you can use in daily consumption. You can add fish, scallops, shrimp, bacon(yes protein and fat and it tastes damn good), beans and rice, vegetables of any color. For me personally, if I want to widen my caloric window, I exercise a little more and use less nutrient dense foods(20% or close) as well as nutrient dense foods(about 80% or close to it). Make sense?
hey, i, 5'7 foot and 8.4 stone. i want to get to 9.5. n yup. it totally made sense. i struggle mainly with protein as i rarely eat fish or meat. i do however drink milk and eat eggs but it isn't enough0 -
madiha1397 wrote: »_Terrapin_ wrote: »What are your goals? How much weight do you wish to gain? I think there are plenty of calorie dense foods you can use in daily consumption. You can add fish, scallops, shrimp, bacon(yes protein and fat and it tastes damn good), beans and rice, vegetables of any color. For me personally, if I want to widen my caloric window, I exercise a little more and use less nutrient dense foods(20% or close) as well as nutrient dense foods(about 80% or close to it). Make sense?
hey, i, 5'7 foot and 8.4 stone. i want to get to 9.5. n yup. it totally made sense. i struggle mainly with protein as i rarely eat fish or meat. i do however drink milk and eat eggs but it isn't enough
ice cream...the answer is always ice cream...0 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Good fatty red meats, for example: lamb shank, full-fat beef mince (or whatever they call it in your country), rib-eye steak.
You'll find some higher fat meats like mutton, pork shoulder, and braise steak are great slow cookers that produce fantastically tasty dishes and are melt-in-the-mouth with the addition of a few herbs/stock/spices.
Plenty of butter. Lots of butter.
Butter a steak and that's win-win!
For sure!
agreed…
however, I don't think that is going to be clean enough for OP
Clean really means whatever the person declaiming it says it means.
In that it doesn't mean much at all.
But raw meat, raised in a way that pleases the person and cooked simply with a few quality ingredients can't offend even the staunchest of cleanies, can it?
In most definitions of "clean" a solid cut of meat, particularly if raised to certain standards like grass-fed, and hormone/antibitoic free would qualify but not to a person using a plant-based definition.
once you add the butter it is then a dirty, dirty, thing….
Surely butter churned from the milk of the same cow you were willing to fry would still be ok? OP did say they were already having milk (or did I misread that?)
she did not list butter…she listed olive oil so I guses butter would be OK …
I would say yes, but I eat everything and anything in moderation …i just focus on hitting calorie/micro/macro targets….
would that be OK for OP …I guess we will see if she comes back..there are a million different definitions of clean, none of which I adhere too
you guys guessed right. butter and stuff is fine. by 'clean' i simply meant whole food rather than processed food or takeaway or tonnes of cakes and crisps or chocolate and things...
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madiha1397 wrote: »_Terrapin_ wrote: »What are your goals? How much weight do you wish to gain? I think there are plenty of calorie dense foods you can use in daily consumption. You can add fish, scallops, shrimp, bacon(yes protein and fat and it tastes damn good), beans and rice, vegetables of any color. For me personally, if I want to widen my caloric window, I exercise a little more and use less nutrient dense foods(20% or close) as well as nutrient dense foods(about 80% or close to it). Make sense?
hey, i, 5'7 foot and 8.4 stone. i want to get to 9.5. n yup. it totally made sense. i struggle mainly with protein as i rarely eat fish or meat. i do however drink milk and eat eggs but it isn't enough
ice cream...the answer is always ice cream...
i guess i could live with icecream, hehehe 0 -
madiha1397 wrote: »madiha1397 wrote: »_Terrapin_ wrote: »What are your goals? How much weight do you wish to gain? I think there are plenty of calorie dense foods you can use in daily consumption. You can add fish, scallops, shrimp, bacon(yes protein and fat and it tastes damn good), beans and rice, vegetables of any color. For me personally, if I want to widen my caloric window, I exercise a little more and use less nutrient dense foods(20% or close) as well as nutrient dense foods(about 80% or close to it). Make sense?
hey, i, 5'7 foot and 8.4 stone. i want to get to 9.5. n yup. it totally made sense. i struggle mainly with protein as i rarely eat fish or meat. i do however drink milk and eat eggs but it isn't enough
ice cream...the answer is always ice cream...
i guess i could live with icecream, hehehe
we can all use more ice cream in our lives...0 -
madiha1397 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Wheelhouse15 wrote: »Good fatty red meats, for example: lamb shank, full-fat beef mince (or whatever they call it in your country), rib-eye steak.
You'll find some higher fat meats like mutton, pork shoulder, and braise steak are great slow cookers that produce fantastically tasty dishes and are melt-in-the-mouth with the addition of a few herbs/stock/spices.
Plenty of butter. Lots of butter.
Butter a steak and that's win-win!
For sure!
agreed…
however, I don't think that is going to be clean enough for OP
Clean really means whatever the person declaiming it says it means.
In that it doesn't mean much at all.
But raw meat, raised in a way that pleases the person and cooked simply with a few quality ingredients can't offend even the staunchest of cleanies, can it?
In most definitions of "clean" a solid cut of meat, particularly if raised to certain standards like grass-fed, and hormone/antibitoic free would qualify but not to a person using a plant-based definition.
once you add the butter it is then a dirty, dirty, thing….
Surely butter churned from the milk of the same cow you were willing to fry would still be ok? OP did say they were already having milk (or did I misread that?)
she did not list butter…she listed olive oil so I guses butter would be OK …
I would say yes, but I eat everything and anything in moderation …i just focus on hitting calorie/micro/macro targets….
would that be OK for OP …I guess we will see if she comes back..there are a million different definitions of clean, none of which I adhere too
you guys guessed right. butter and stuff is fine. by 'clean' i simply meant whole food rather than processed food or takeaway or tonnes of cakes and crisps or chocolate and things...
I would say continue to eat the whole foods like chicken, fish, rice, vegetables...but to gain weight mix in some ice cream, bagels, pasta, cookies, etc. Just make sure that you hit your macro/micro/calorie goal...
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