Oh Sugar
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I agree with the posters who say that the type of sugar we ingest is important. If it's refined sugar, no good can come of it.0
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Agree there is no reason to limit carbs unless...
- You're interested in losing FAT not WEIGHT
- You're trying to build muscle (or retain muscle)
- Eating lots of carbs doesn't satiate you
- Eating lots of carbs turns you into a binge monster...
I'm all in favour of not demonising particular macro nutirents. I advocate for a balanced approach to nutrition. But having said that there are lots of good reasons to limit or cut down on carbs that are non-medical. The modern diet has a tendency to be high carb, moderate to low fat and low protein so for most people cutting down on carbs to some degree is a good and neccessary thing to do.
Not saying that you need to cut out fruit or all carbs but pretty much all nutritional experts agree that eating refined (added sugars, flour, white bread etc.) and starchy carbs (potato, rice, bread etc.) in moderation is important for a healthy diet
Got any scientific proof for any of the bolded bit...because anecdotally I'd have to say a big fat No to all of those assertions
I lost plenty fat with a diet that was fairly high in carbs - 50 to 60 % (and min 100g protein)
My musculature and strength is the best it's ever been
I'm happy and generally satisfied
I don't binge
Well 100g isn't low in protein for a female. Take that up to 80% carbs and see how you do. 50-60% would still be limiting carbs for a lot of people.
I'm pretty sure there are plenty of studies looking into the effect of higher protein vs higher carb diets on muscle gain and muscle retention in a deficit.
The second two are related and I also think this has been studied fairly extensively. Notice how for these two points I didn't say that every person would necessarily suffer these effects but for a lot of people anecdotally and under controlled research conditions these two statements are true and good non-medical reasons to limit their carb intake.
Also - don't have the energy to link studies
I recommend upping your carbohydrate intake for better energy levels.
Haha, I actually thought that after I wrote it
More like I have better places to spend my energy. My carb intake is sufficient for my energy needs (40%)
I think the problem is that you said "there is not reason to limit carbs unless...". However, your definition of limiting carbs is very different from what a lot of people are thinking (many people pop into sugar threads with experiences of going keto or low carb (as in less than 50-80g).
I don't think that is what you meant, and people are assuming the extreme (because many people take it to the extreme).0 -
Hi, I am wondering if anyone else has the same problem as me....keeping their sugar consumption levels within or close to the RDA. I don't use or consume much in the way of refined sugar but do use small amounts of honey e.g. in my morning porridge (oatmeal) and I eat quite a bit of fruit. Fruit is my go to snack of choice, particularly apples and bananas. Eating a couple of these per day along with the fresh vegetables and salads eaten for lunch and dinner and I can easily consume double my sugar allowance. While I do know that this is better than the sugar found in pastries and chocolate bars I feel like it is one of the dietary elements I have been unable to get sorted and somehow I am still feeding my sugar craving. Any tips/advice would be gratefully received. Thanks in advance.
Sugar is not good or bad, and granulated sugar is no different than sugar in fruits and vegetables, or anything else. It's very delicious, in fact.
Everything in moderation.
Not strictly for weight loss but sugar vs fruit or veggies will have a different effect on your blood sugar and satiation levels because fruit and veggies have fibre.
It definitely is delicious though, if not slightly addictive (or at least incredibly morish) for some people in a way that fruit isn't. I'm not sure how exactly to explain that scientifically but there's something there whether psychological or physiological or a combination
Broscience. None of this is accurate.
I feel no different if I eat a See's candy or an apple, and it has no affect otherwise.
I prefer more nutrient dense foods, but that's purely preference.0 -
Agree there is no reason to limit carbs unless...
- You're interested in losing FAT not WEIGHT
- You're trying to build muscle (or retain muscle)
- Eating lots of carbs doesn't satiate you
- Eating lots of carbs turns you into a binge monster...
I'm all in favour of not demonising particular macro nutirents. I advocate for a balanced approach to nutrition. But having said that there are lots of good reasons to limit or cut down on carbs that are non-medical. The modern diet has a tendency to be high carb, moderate to low fat and low protein so for most people cutting down on carbs to some degree is a good and neccessary thing to do.
Not saying that you need to cut out fruit or all carbs but pretty much all nutritional experts agree that eating refined (added sugars, flour, white bread etc.) and starchy carbs (potato, rice, bread etc.) in moderation is important for a healthy diet
Got any scientific proof for any of the bolded bit...because anecdotally I'd have to say a big fat No to all of those assertions
I lost plenty fat with a diet that was fairly high in carbs - 50 to 60 % (and min 100g protein)
My musculature and strength is the best it's ever been
I'm happy and generally satisfied
I don't binge
Well 100g isn't low in protein for a female. Take that up to 80% carbs and see how you do. 50-60% would still be limiting carbs for a lot of people.
I'm pretty sure there are plenty of studies looking into the effect of higher protein vs higher carb diets on muscle gain and muscle retention in a deficit.
The second two are related and I also think this has been studied fairly extensively. Notice how for these two points I didn't say that every person would necessarily suffer these effects but for a lot of people anecdotally and under controlled research conditions these two statements are true and good non-medical reasons to limit their carb intake.
Also - don't have the energy to link studies
I recommend upping your carbohydrate intake for better energy levels.
Haha, I actually thought that after I wrote it More like I have better places to spend my energy. My carb intake is sufficient for my energy needs (40%)
I think the problem is that you said "there is not reason to limit carbs unless...". However, your definition of limiting carbs is very different from what a lot of people are thinking (many people pop into sugar threads with experiences of going keto or low carb (as in less than 50-80g).
I don't think that is what you meant, and people are assuming the extreme (because many people take it to the extreme).
for me, limiting carbs meant i stopped eating a huge pile of pasta every other day for lunch and when i got a huge nyc bagel, i took the insides out. i was never extreme, just fewer carbs than i ate before. i think that helped me to lose weight.0 -
I agree with the posters who say that the type of sugar we ingest is important. If it's refined sugar, no good can come of it.
I think you are giving the human body a little too much credit. Sugar is Sugar regardless of the source. Your body doesn't know the difference between a brownie and an apple. The brownie and apple may have different macros with them but sugar is sugar.0 -
I agree with the posters who say that the type of sugar we ingest is important. If it's refined sugar, no good can come of it.
I think you are giving the human body a little too much credit. Sugar is Sugar regardless of the source. Your body doesn't know the difference between a brownie and an apple. The brownie and apple may have different macros with them but sugar is sugar.
I wish more people would believe this truth.0 -
Uhh no. Calories in vs out is what matters, not carb intake. If you have no medical problems, there is no reason to limit carbs.
I've been experimenting this week and have noticed if I eat more protein and less carbs (in the form of bread and potatoes in particular) I feel less hungry and tired at the end of the day and so am less inclined towards munching on fruit in the evening. I have been doing quite a bit of strength training and think my body may actually need the extra protein. While I know that it is calories in vs out I think the type of fuel required can change and be different for everyone and I am only talking about adjusting the percentages slightly... I will still be eating the same number of calories overall.
Yes - this works for me too. I am a recovering sugar addict. I could eat a whole pie in one sitting, or 12 jumbo cupcakes... and want another piece of candy an hour later. really. I first moved to eating lots of fruit, and no more processed sugars; that was great, but I still had a great appetite for sugar. Now, I focus on making sure I eat enough protein+fat, and I've found that I rarely have sugar cravings - a big WOW for someone who has loved sugar all her life! Of course I eat the 'right' cal amount for me, but eating enough protein has really changed my hunger/cravings/0 -
Agree there is no reason to limit carbs unless...
- You're interested in losing FAT not WEIGHT
- You're trying to build muscle (or retain muscle)
- Eating lots of carbs doesn't satiate you
- Eating lots of carbs turns you into a binge monster...
I'm all in favour of not demonising particular macro nutirents. I advocate for a balanced approach to nutrition. But having said that there are lots of good reasons to limit or cut down on carbs that are non-medical. The modern diet has a tendency to be high carb, moderate to low fat and low protein so for most people cutting down on carbs to some degree is a good and neccessary thing to do.
Not saying that you need to cut out fruit or all carbs but pretty much all nutritional experts agree that eating refined (added sugars, flour, white bread etc.) and starchy carbs (potato, rice, bread etc.) in moderation is important for a healthy diet
Got any scientific proof for any of the bolded bit...because anecdotally I'd have to say a big fat No to all of those assertions
I lost plenty fat with a diet that was fairly high in carbs - 50 to 60 % (and min 100g protein)
My musculature and strength is the best it's ever been
I'm happy and generally satisfied
I don't binge
Well 100g isn't low in protein for a female. Take that up to 80% carbs and see how you do. 50-60% would still be limiting carbs for a lot of people.
I'm pretty sure there are plenty of studies looking into the effect of higher protein vs higher carb diets on muscle gain and muscle retention in a deficit.
The second two are related and I also think this has been studied fairly extensively. Notice how for these two points I didn't say that every person would necessarily suffer these effects but for a lot of people anecdotally and under controlled research conditions these two statements are true and good non-medical reasons to limit their carb intake.
Also - don't have the energy to link studies
I recommend upping your carbohydrate intake for better energy levels.
Haha, I actually thought that after I wrote it More like I have better places to spend my energy. My carb intake is sufficient for my energy needs (40%)
I think the problem is that you said "there is not reason to limit carbs unless...". However, your definition of limiting carbs is very different from what a lot of people are thinking (many people pop into sugar threads with experiences of going keto or low carb (as in less than 50-80g).
I don't think that is what you meant, and people are assuming the extreme (because many people take it to the extreme).
for me, limiting carbs meant i stopped eating a huge pile of pasta every other day for lunch and when i got a huge nyc bagel, i took the insides out. i was never extreme, just fewer carbs than i ate before. i think that helped me to lose weight.
I think we should all limit carbs to a level that is appropriate for our goals, keeps us feeling satiated, and allows for proper energy levels. That level is going to be different for each person.0 -
I agree with the posters who say that the type of sugar we ingest is important. If it's refined sugar, no good can come of it.
I think you are giving the human body a little too much credit. Sugar is Sugar regardless of the source. Your body doesn't know the difference between a brownie and an apple. The brownie and apple may have different macros with them but sugar is sugar.
I wish more people would believe this truth.
Agreed 0 -
pjcfrancis wrote: »I'm not a nutritionist, so feel free to ignore me.
Here's what I understand:
1. Yes, sugar is sugar, but sugar that's in fruit has less impact on your body than added sugar because you ingest it mixed with other nutrients, so it is absorbed more slowly into your bloodstream. Therefore there is less impact of eating two apples with 30 g of sugar compared to a soft drink with 30 grams of sugar.
The blood glucose response to oranges and orange juice is practically identical for the first hour. Is a soft drink actually different ?0 -
Agree there is no reason to limit carbs unless...
- You're interested in losing FAT not WEIGHT
- You're trying to build muscle (or retain muscle)
- Eating lots of carbs doesn't satiate you
- Eating lots of carbs turns you into a binge monster...
I'm all in favour of not demonising particular macro nutirents. I advocate for a balanced approach to nutrition. But having said that there are lots of good reasons to limit or cut down on carbs that are non-medical. The modern diet has a tendency to be high carb, moderate to low fat and low protein so for most people cutting down on carbs to some degree is a good and neccessary thing to do.
Not saying that you need to cut out fruit or all carbs but pretty much all nutritional experts agree that eating refined (added sugars, flour, white bread etc.) and starchy carbs (potato, rice, bread etc.) in moderation is important for a healthy diet
Got any scientific proof for any of the bolded bit...because anecdotally I'd have to say a big fat No to all of those assertions
I lost plenty fat with a diet that was fairly high in carbs - 50 to 60 % (and min 100g protein)
My musculature and strength is the best it's ever been
I'm happy and generally satisfied
I don't binge
Well 100g isn't low in protein for a female. Take that up to 80% carbs and see how you do. 50-60% would still be limiting carbs for a lot of people.
I'm pretty sure there are plenty of studies looking into the effect of higher protein vs higher carb diets on muscle gain and muscle retention in a deficit.
The second two are related and I also think this has been studied fairly extensively. Notice how for these two points I didn't say that every person would necessarily suffer these effects but for a lot of people anecdotally and under controlled research conditions these two statements are true and good non-medical reasons to limit their carb intake.
Also - don't have the energy to link studies
I recommend upping your carbohydrate intake for better energy levels.
Haha, I actually thought that after I wrote it More like I have better places to spend my energy. My carb intake is sufficient for my energy needs (40%)
LOL, my carbs are set at 40%, too, so we're actually doing the same thing! I don't think of 40% as low carb, though, not like you see some people pound on around here. (The "ZOMG more than 10g per day will give you the DEATHS" folks, you know....)0 -
Although the sugars in fruit and desserts are the SAME.. there are benefits to eating fruit oh like.. vitamins, antioxidants and water! Whereas in desserts it's all VOID. I don't have sugars at all even in fruits during contest prep but I sure do love my sweets afterward in a healthy moderation, of course. Just remember what your goals are, understand how to get there in a healthy manner. Have a REALISITIC goal that is personalized to you and SMASH those goals. I agree with most of the people on this thread, carbs are good for energy!0
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debsweetcakes wrote: »Although the sugars in fruit and desserts are the SAME.. there are benefits to eating fruit oh like.. vitamins, antioxidants and water! Whereas in desserts it's all VOID. I don't have sugars at all even in fruits during contest prep but I sure do love my sweets afterward in a healthy moderation, of course. Just remember what your goals are, understand how to get there in a healthy manner. Have a REALISITIC goal that is personalized to you and SMASH those goals. I agree with most of the people on this thread, carbs are good for energy!
So, apple pie's fine, right?
Ugh, didn't realize this was a zombie sugar thread. Feel free to ignore...0 -
It's hard to tell the zombie sugar threads from the new ones... and another one will be along any minute now, anyway, with the same silly claims about sugar and the same refutations. Maybe by different people or maybe not.debsweetcakes wrote: »Although the sugars in fruit and desserts are the SAME.. there are benefits to eating fruit oh like.. vitamins, antioxidants and water! Whereas in desserts it's all VOID. I don't have sugars at all even in fruits during contest prep but I sure do love my sweets afterward in a healthy moderation, of course. Just remember what your goals are, understand how to get there in a healthy manner. Have a REALISITIC goal that is personalized to you and SMASH those goals. I agree with most of the people on this thread, carbs are good for energy!
So, apple pie's fine, right?
Ugh, didn't realize this was a zombie sugar thread. Feel free to ignore...
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I love snickers but I just can't have it right now so I'll just stare longingly at the picture.0 -
mamapeach910 wrote: »You know what this thread needs?
Yes please, high five!0
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