Seemingly Sketchy Recommendation from Nutritionist
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second post = fail..I've been told that muscles weigh a lot, so maybe you're getting more muscles, which is great for the long run.
muscle and fat weigh the same ..and you can't build muscle in a calorie deficit...0 -
It doesn't seem that sketchy to me, she's basically telling you to consume less and gave you options on how best to do so. I'd opt for not eating back my exercise calories.0
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there is nothing wrong with a run or lifting and I fully encourage bolt. What I don't encourage is sensationalizing the advice given. She was not told to not eat back cals as inferred above but to eliminate the need for the extra cals by not exercising. I stand by my possible explanation for the advice. Not everyone can go from unhealthy life to clean and healthy life in one step.
She was not told not to eat back cals, she was told to eliminate or reduce the exercise. I have a feeling they want her to get a handle on the diet portion before adding the confusion of exercise, and the hunger that can follow. Se needs to focus on the basics of nutrition and, only after she has that in check, learn how to use it to fuel working out her body.the TL;DR version? You need to re-evaluate what you are doing right/wrong and ignore your nutritionists advice to eat less and not eat your cals back. That is asking for a world of unhappiness unnecessarily. Good luck.
Yikes, this is what I was afraid of. I have some thinking to do....more to follow up on this post later.
and these two quotes above just answered the OPs own question.
OP what you were really after was affirmation that you didn't want to follow your Nutritionists' advice and because somebody said to ignore the advice, you have immediately taken that on board.
What are the credentials of the person telling you to ignore your Nutritionists' advice?
You don't know, but you DO know the qualifications of your Nutritionist.
People will always say Doctors can make mistakes - this is very true, but so can a hell of a lot of people on a relatively anonymous website forum, strangers on the internet.
Be very careful.
For the sake of clarification I said: Ignore her advice to eat less and not eat back her exercise calories. That combination puts her WELL below 1200 cals per day if she followed it, which is NOT a safe weight loss solution, and definitely not sustainable in the long run once she is off her dr/nutritionists idea of a diet.
I based my statement on research I've done and as I explained my own personal experience. She is 5'7" and going under 1200 regularly is irresponsible. I encouraged the OP to do her own homework and talk to her nutritionist with her concern. But way to read only what you wanna
Good luck OP!
sounds like hoagwash to me ...
Your telling me the OP can't go for a run because it is too "confusing" ..pleeaaaseeee....or she can't go lift some dumbbells ...rolls eyez....
I was commenting on the assertion that "exercise is confusing" comment that was made...I mean come on, I did not know that you needed an Einstein level IQ to go for a run or lift some weights...that just sounds a little over done to me...0 -
It is your life and your body. If the advice seems off to you then there is nothing wrong with getting a second opinion.
For the record, I once had a "nutritionist" tell me that I should quit my job because it was too physical and would be harder for me to eat her recomended amount (1200-1300). I laughed in her face and never saw her again. The second opinion was from a RD and I proceeded to lose over 120lbs with my lowest intake being 1500 to 1900 calories and now maintain at around 2200 sometimes more. I am glad I got a second opinion.0 -
I don't know why it would be sketchy if you got it from a doctor's office?
right, doctors never make mistakes...just ask those people that wake up from surgery with a missing lung, when they were only scheduled for a colonoscopy ..or the ones that wake up with a scalpel stitched up in there abdomen...
I would say that if that is the experience of Doctors you have had outside, I would change doctors.
99% of the people on this site aren't Doctors, or Nutritionists, or Dieticians, or Personal Trainers, but everybody seems to taken everybody else's word for their "advice" - and you question people in the real word who have qualifications?
Somewhere along the line here, something is very wrong.........
1. Doctors have little or no knowledge about performance, weight loss, or fitness nutrition beyond perhaps the one or two seminars they have to take on substrate metabolism in med school. Unless they are specializing in research of that field, they are not required to take any course on this subject material. They know only that eating too much is bad, and eating too little is bad.
2. Nutritionists are people who understand nutrition, but may not be able to apply it to each person's case. This is why there are good nutritionists and bad ones. The good ones babysit pretty much everything you do, instead of give you overarching recommendations.
3. Personal Trainers (I am one, with an advanced focus in performance nutrition). All they have to do is study for about 10 hours and take a scantron test to get certified. The range of efficacy of any personal trainer is solely dependent on how much time they can invest in your personally tailored plans. Therefore, trainers with a high volume of clients are naturally pretty crappy, and those that only work with perhaps 5-10 cases a year are extremely good (and expensive).
The confines of who to ask for weight loss advice are very loosely associated, and there is zero regulation as to how one can obtain a title that qualifies them as an expert. In my experience, expertise in the realm of dieting and fitness comes with the pairing of intense study, followed by self application, trial and error.
Any advice is sketchy if you find it impossible or hard to comply with. Anyone giving advice should understand your situation better than just a one hour assessment of your lifestyle. It should delve deeper into the individual, and uncover the things you probably would not reveal to your nutritionist on a first visit.0 -
Thanks everyone. In regards to all the controversy, and everyone's questions I believe she is a dietitian and a nutritionist (didn't realize there was a difference) but I will find out for sure. My starting weight was 223 and CW is 206. GW is 165ish, maybe lower if I can ever get there. I am meeting with my doctor next week to find out if the nutritionist/dietitian's recommendations are right for me, but for now I am going to take her advice (kind of) and see if it works. I'm not going to quit exercising, because as someone said that would be completely counter intuitive, and I think almost everyone on the forums agree that is not the best idea, but I am going to slow it down just a little. Thank you all for answering my questions.0
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Current intake is 1380
Current Weight is 206
I exercise about 6x per week, 30-45 minutes or so per day cardio workouts.
I'm 210, 5"4' and eat 1440 plus my exercise cals (600-800 cals/day) and lose 1.5lb/wk.0 -
If you don't think your nutritionist is correct, I would seek a different dietician (nutritionist) rather than checking on the online forums.0
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Honestly I don't think it's sketchy at all. A lot of people lose weight that way, and the info did come from a doctor, who let's face it - is a lot more qualified to be handing out said advice than anyone else here on the forums.
That said, if you really truly think that this Dr. is wrong, just get a second opinion to put your mind at ease.0 -
The confusion I was speaking of is the gut wrenching hunger that can come after exercise. If you don't have a handle on what true hunger is or how much is enough or too much to fuel your workout this can cause over estimation of calories needed in any given day.
there is nothing wrong with a run or lifting and I fully encourage bolt. What I don't encourage is sensationalizing the advice given. She was not told to not eat back cals as inferred above but to eliminate the need for the extra cals by not exercising. I stand by my possible explanation for the advice. Not everyone can go from unhealthy life to clean and healthy life in one step.
She was not told not to eat back cals, she was told to eliminate or reduce the exercise. I have a feeling they want her to get a handle on the diet portion before adding the confusion of exercise, and the hunger that can follow. Se needs to focus on the basics of nutrition and, only after she has that in check, learn how to use it to fuel working out her body.the TL;DR version? You need to re-evaluate what you are doing right/wrong and ignore your nutritionists advice to eat less and not eat your cals back. That is asking for a world of unhappiness unnecessarily. Good luck.
Yikes, this is what I was afraid of. I have some thinking to do....more to follow up on this post later.
and these two quotes above just answered the OPs own question.
OP what you were really after was affirmation that you didn't want to follow your Nutritionists' advice and because somebody said to ignore the advice, you have immediately taken that on board.
What are the credentials of the person telling you to ignore your Nutritionists' advice?
You don't know, but you DO know the qualifications of your Nutritionist.
People will always say Doctors can make mistakes - this is very true, but so can a hell of a lot of people on a relatively anonymous website forum, strangers on the internet.
Be very careful.
For the sake of clarification I said: Ignore her advice to eat less and not eat back her exercise calories. That combination puts her WELL below 1200 cals per day if she followed it, which is NOT a safe weight loss solution, and definitely not sustainable in the long run once she is off her dr/nutritionists idea of a diet.
I based my statement on research I've done and as I explained my own personal experience. She is 5'7" and going under 1200 regularly is irresponsible. I encouraged the OP to do her own homework and talk to her nutritionist with her concern. But way to read only what you wanna Good luck OP!
sounds like hoagwash to me ...
Your telling me the OP can't go for a run because it is too "confusing" ..pleeaaaseeee....or she can't go lift some dumbbells ...rolls eyez....
I was commenting on the assertion that "exercise is confusing" comment that was made...I mean come on, I did not know that you needed an Einstein level IQ to go for a run or lift some weights...that just sounds a little over done to me...
I still stand by my post.0 -
Sometimes a mechanic who's been a mechanic for 20 years is a just a bad mechanic with 20 years experience at it.
Perhaps seeking others advice from other 'experts' is a good idea. I for one do not assume a doctor is a good doctor just because he/she has a degree etc, life has taught me better then that.
So, what's the point? Well weight loss isn't rocket science if you ask me. After all, you eat less and exercise and it WILL cause you to lose bodyfat and/or weight.
The problem, however, is that we humans suck at it because we're biologically programmed to eat more then we need AND because we're so stupid that we allow someone else to tell us things are safe to eat (as in the FDA/USDA will tell you it's safe to eat Mac-n-cheese but I'm sure WE know better! lol).....
So, measure your portions, cut back on sodium (religiously watch that one as foods you THINK are safe are often higher then you imagine -- like multigrain wraps for example) and if you do cardio a LOT take a break for a couple days and see what happens.
In the end, do what YOU think is right and darn sure stick with it long enough to know if it's working, then if it isn't be wise enough to seek advice to change your diet etc in such a way as to have a positive impact.
That's my 2c anyway 0 -
I don't know why it would be sketchy if you got it from a doctor's office?
are you aware of how much nutrition training is included in medical training?0 -
I don't know why it would be sketchy if you got it from a doctor's office?
are you aware of how much nutrition training is included in medical training?
I've had bad lawyers who had more years of education. PEOPLE are, well, people and there are good ones and not so good ones.
Moral of the story is that just because someone has a degree in something does not mean they are actually good at it.
Just sayin'0 -
I don't know why it would be sketchy if you got it from a doctor's office?
are you aware of how much nutrition training is included in medical training?
I've had bad lawyers who had more years of education. PEOPLE are, well, people and there are good ones and not so good ones.
Moral of the story is that just because someone has a degree in something does not mean they are actually good at it.
Just sayin'
Exactly. Or that their pet theories are appropriate for every patient who walks through the door.
OP, I'll be intrigued to know whether this person is an RD or a nutritionist, in due course - really why I'm commenting here. That said, I'm about the same height as you, coming from a similar place, though I'm a little further towards goal (which is 10lb higher than yours, by the way, and medically-sanctioned by a specialist in metabolic function - be aware that BMI charts are not always applicable...even if GP's often swear by them), and I would struggle to function on so little food. Most days, I average between 1600 and 1800, gross, (with a similar carb restriciton etc) and eat back most of my exercise calories, though often not all, for a net around 14-1500. That seems to work for me, alongside exercise - both strength and cardio - four sessions/week, plus lots of walking/cycling on my days 'off'.0 -
I don't know why it would be sketchy if you got it from a doctor's office?
are you aware of how much nutrition training is included in medical training?
I've had bad lawyers who had more years of education. PEOPLE are, well, people and there are good ones and not so good ones.
Moral of the story is that just because someone has a degree in something does not mean they are actually good at it.
Just sayin'
Exactly. Or that their pet theories are appropriate for every patient who walks through the door.
OP, I'll be intrigued to know whether this person is an RD or a nutritionist, in due course - really why I'm commenting here. That said, I'm about the same height as you, coming from a similar place, though I'm a little further towards goal (which is 10lb higher than yours, by the way, and medically-sanctioned by a specialist in metabolic function - be aware that BMI charts are not always applicable...even if GP's often swear by them), and I would struggle to function on so little food. Most days, I average between 1600 and 1800, gross, (with a similar carb restriciton etc) and eat back most of my exercise calories, though often not all, for a net around 14-1500. That seems to work for me, alongside exercise - both strength and cardio - four sessions/week, plus lots of walking/cycling on my days 'off'.
I am curious too. A nutritionist may understand that you need X amount of calories to create a deficit and to recommend a healthier diet but most are not going to have the underlying understanding of how the human body works to back up their recommendations. A dietitian will have this training and is regulated and licensed. If she is, in fact, seeing a dietitian I personally would run the other way. It is terrible advice for long term weight loss and sustainability.0 -
I don't know why it would be sketchy if you got it from a doctor's office?
are you aware of how much nutrition training is included in medical training?
I've had bad lawyers who had more years of education. PEOPLE are, well, people and there are good ones and not so good ones.
Moral of the story is that just because someone has a degree in something does not mean they are actually good at it.
Just sayin'
My point is that doctors have close to 0 nutrition training.0 -
My point is that doctors have close to 0 nutrition training.
Ahhh. Sorry didn't catch that.
I also think docs tend to prescribe things the pill making industry pumps to them...that's been my experience when dealing with High Blood Pressure....today I don't take the pulls and have much better BP but then I also got into eating better and losing the weight etc etc0 -
Current intake is 1380
Current Weight is 206
I exercise about 6x per week, 30-45 minutes or so per day cardio workouts.
Lot's of nutritionists are stuck in the nineties. Get a second opinion.
I say, Think for yourself. Do what feels right.
I recommend NOT cutting calories. You are already eating at a big deficit. Read this article! It changed my life.
http://athlete.io/5368/yogurt-is-not-a-meal/
and
http://athlete.io/5343/why-women-should-not-run/
(by the way, lots of people got all defensive about running when they read this, BUT his point is that running wont get you the look you want...not that you should not run ever. I run and do endurance cardio, but not to get "toned." I do weights for that. And I don't run to lose fat, I eat healthy homemade foods for that. Cardio is great for endurance muscles and other benefits.)
I upped my calories. Started lifting weights, stopped doing cardio as often (now I mountain bike 2X per week and run intervals on the elliptical 2X.)
I went from 1250 calories a day to 1600 and two weeks later I upped it to 1800. I am losing fat, gaining muscle looking a ton more toned.
I strongly recommend you read "New rules of lifting for Women." Its dead on about diet...0 -
IMHO running doesn't take long enough. Sure it burns calories but if you aren't running for long periods then you won't be burning off fat for very long. This is why I walk or ride. By pushing my cardio well beyond the initial carb burning phase (20-30 mins so I've read) then, in theory, you're into the fat burning phase...so why stop then? I walk for just over an hour and mountain bike for 50 to 70 minutes.
Seems to work.
As for running, i did not for years in the service and my knees and I hate it! lol0
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