Low carb dieters!
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jennibean40 wrote: »I cant even with you right now. Im sorry you are unhappy i disagree with you. Its simply this...
I DID do a low calorie diet only on and off for many years. With very little weight loss.
I did low carb (which incidently kept me at the same low level of calories) and lost up to 7lbs a week.
So you are telling me, in all the years i tried low calorie before, when i just so happen to start low carb... the calorie defecit is the only contributing factor?
Why then.. when i was simply on a reg carb low cal, did i not lose 7lbs in a week?
Please explain, oh enlightened one, keeper of all truths to the universe.
didn't you admit that you did not track calories? So if you were not tracking calories, logging all your food, weighing your food then more than likely you are not in as great a calorie deficit as you thought, or were not in one at all.
Once you switched to restricted all carbs, that eliminated most of the calorie dense foods in your diet and put you into a calorie deficit.
I know that you think you are some special person that lives outside of the boundaries of math and physics, but, I hate to break it to you, you are not.
Calories In VS Calories Out applies to all of us, period.
Well, there's a different way of looking at it. I don't necessarily argue against the concept of a calorie. I lost 50 lbs 2 years ago changing my way of eating.
I have since been at my maintenenace weight for 2 years. Never once have I paid attention to a calorie count. Ever. I never knew how many calories were present in anything that I ate - throughout the weight loss and the weight maintenance period. My body just seems to have found a set point in weight that I like. Am I eating a low calorie diet or a high calorie diet? am I in a deficit? Who knows. Maybe.
Why isn't my diary open? Because I don't have a diary. I don't LOG food. I EAT food.
All I know is that I do eat delicious calorie dense food, and plenty of it. Grass fed meats (and I don't waste a drop of fat - the lamb chops and duck breasts have tonnes of fat on them), fish, fowl, lots of pastured eggs, grass fed full fat cheese (yes for you inquisitive folk who have commented before, cheeses can eat grass), lots and lots of nuts, plenty of veggies, liberal use of olive and coconut oil, ghee, dark chocolate. My barometer is that I eat until I am full and I eat whenever I feel like it. I do limit fruit however. You've probably also figured out what I don't eat.
Health markers improved and I am happy with them.
So am I in a deficit? Surplus? Or am I breaking even? Maybe to all. I can't tell you. And my appetite (or the scale) would never know it either.
And I prefer it that way - eating delicious food daily until I'm full and satisfied. I love not wasting time weighing food and logging food. Or keeping track of how many calories are in what. And I love not having any craving for any junk food or grains whatsoever anymore. I actually enjoy the nausea that comes when seeing or smelling such foods. In other words, I enjoy not feeling any torture at all (as you have used that word previously).
That's just one of the reasons I prefer to watch what I eat, rather than how much - regardless of what is actually happening calorie-wise within my body. But to each their own.
Just thought I'd share. Enjoy that N of 1.
that is called intuitive eating and if you are not gaining then you are eating at maintenance level.
I have been at this for so long that if I stopped tracking and weighing I would probably hit just about the same numbers every day because I know what I eat and what that breaks out into calories/macros/micros...I don't because I like to have the data that MFP provides me...
what you are doing does not negate CICO ..you have just found the right balance of the equation for you.
Exactly. I'm not really trying to negate CICO. And yeah, it's intuitive eating.
but to make intuitive eating possible (at least for me), the focus on "what" replaces the focus on "how much" in the diet. That's all I was saying. Just a different way of looking at it.0 -
Not everyone's body responds the same way to different approaches to losing weight. The key is to find a match for your body and metabolism.
Dr Atkins, a well-known cardiologist, limited his patient's intake of sugar and carbohydrates. As a result, many of his patients successfully lost weight and kept it off – even though they had previously been unsuccessful on regular low-calorie diets!
The key was understanding that everyone's metabolism can use two different types of fuel for energy – either sugar (and carbs that are quickly turned into sugar by the body), or fat. But the type of fuel you burn can have a big difference in losing or maintaining weight. A typical diet reduces calories, but is still high in carbohydrates (and thus sugar). As a result, many people constantly cycle between sugar "highs" (where excess sugar is actually stored as fat in the body) and sugar "lows" (where you feel fatigued, and ravenously hungry – for more carbs and sugar). For many, it's really hard to lose weight that way.
Atkins, on the other hand, limits carbohydrates (sugar), so the body burns fat, including body fat, for fuel. This approach leaves the body steadily fueled, and weight is lost, even when more calories are being consumed. Steady fueling also means more constant energy levels all day long, and less hunger and cravings! You can actually lose weight while feeling full! The science behind the Atkins principles has been proven by over 80 clinical studies!
Yeah.. me and these 80 clinical studies, and the thousands of low carb diet success stories live in our own universe.. you should visit sometime!0 -
jennibean40 wrote: »Not everyone's body responds the same way to different approaches to losing weight. The key is to find a match for your body and metabolism.
Dr Atkins, a well-known cardiologist, limited his patient's intake of sugar and carbohydrates. As a result, many of his patients successfully lost weight and kept it off – even though they had previously been unsuccessful on regular low-calorie diets!
The key was understanding that everyone's metabolism can use two different types of fuel for energy – either sugar (and carbs that are quickly turned into sugar by the body), or fat. But the type of fuel you burn can have a big difference in losing or maintaining weight. A typical diet reduces calories, but is still high in carbohydrates (and thus sugar). As a result, many people constantly cycle between sugar "highs" (where excess sugar is actually stored as fat in the body) and sugar "lows" (where you feel fatigued, and ravenously hungry – for more carbs and sugar). For many, it's really hard to lose weight that way.
Atkins, on the other hand, limits carbohydrates (sugar), so the body burns fat, including body fat, for fuel. This approach leaves the body steadily fueled, and weight is lost, even when more calories are being consumed. Steady fueling also means more constant energy levels all day long, and less hunger and cravings! You can actually lose weight while feeling full! The science behind the Atkins principles has been proven by over 80 clinical studies!
Yeah.. me and these 80 clinical studies, and the thousands of low carb diet success stories live in our own universe.. you should visit sometime!
You don't understand half of the things you just talked about. Sorry.0 -
jennibean40 wrote: »Not everyone's body responds the same way to different approaches to losing weight. The key is to find a match for your body and metabolism.
Dr Atkins, a well-known cardiologist, limited his patient's intake of sugar and carbohydrates. As a result, many of his patients successfully lost weight and kept it off – even though they had previously been unsuccessful on regular low-calorie diets!
The key was understanding that everyone's metabolism can use two different types of fuel for energy – either sugar (and carbs that are quickly turned into sugar by the body), or fat. But the type of fuel you burn can have a big difference in losing or maintaining weight. A typical diet reduces calories, but is still high in carbohydrates (and thus sugar). As a result, many people constantly cycle between sugar "highs" (where excess sugar is actually stored as fat in the body) and sugar "lows" (where you feel fatigued, and ravenously hungry – for more carbs and sugar). For many, it's really hard to lose weight that way.
Atkins, on the other hand, limits carbohydrates (sugar), so the body burns fat, including body fat, for fuel. This approach leaves the body steadily fueled, and weight is lost, even when more calories are being consumed. Steady fueling also means more constant energy levels all day long, and less hunger and cravings! You can actually lose weight while feeling full! The science behind the Atkins principles has been proven by over 80 clinical studies!
Yeah.. me and these 80 clinical studies, and the thousands of low carb diet success stories live in our own universe.. you should visit sometime!
You copied and pasted this directly from the Atkins website. This is just an advertisement to make you buy their products and is in no way a reliable source.0 -
jennibean40 wrote: »Not everyone's body responds the same way to different approaches to losing weight. The key is to find a match for your body and metabolism.
Dr Atkins, a well-known cardiologist, limited his patient's intake of sugar and carbohydrates. As a result, many of his patients successfully lost weight and kept it off – even though they had previously been unsuccessful on regular low-calorie diets!
The key was understanding that everyone's metabolism can use two different types of fuel for energy – either sugar (and carbs that are quickly turned into sugar by the body), or fat. But the type of fuel you burn can have a big difference in losing or maintaining weight. A typical diet reduces calories, but is still high in carbohydrates (and thus sugar). As a result, many people constantly cycle between sugar "highs" (where excess sugar is actually stored as fat in the body) and sugar "lows" (where you feel fatigued, and ravenously hungry – for more carbs and sugar). For many, it's really hard to lose weight that way.
Atkins, on the other hand, limits carbohydrates (sugar), so the body burns fat, including body fat, for fuel. This approach leaves the body steadily fueled, and weight is lost, even when more calories are being consumed. Steady fueling also means more constant energy levels all day long, and less hunger and cravings! You can actually lose weight while feeling full! The science behind the Atkins principles has been proven by over 80 clinical studies!
Yeah.. me and these 80 clinical studies, and the thousands of low carb diet success stories live in our own universe.. you should visit sometime!
No one is doubting that low carb works... it just not for the reasons you think.
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Has there not been a true study on this by now?
Same calorie intake, one low carb. the other not.
I find myself curious about this now and may do more research. hummm0 -
jennibean40 wrote: »Not everyone's body responds the same way to different approaches to losing weight. The key is to find a match for your body and metabolism.
Dr Atkins, a well-known cardiologist, limited his patient's intake of sugar and carbohydrates. As a result, many of his patients successfully lost weight and kept it off – even though they had previously been unsuccessful on regular low-calorie diets!
The key was understanding that everyone's metabolism can use two different types of fuel for energy – either sugar (and carbs that are quickly turned into sugar by the body), or fat. But the type of fuel you burn can have a big difference in losing or maintaining weight. A typical diet reduces calories, but is still high in carbohydrates (and thus sugar). As a result, many people constantly cycle between sugar "highs" (where excess sugar is actually stored as fat in the body) and sugar "lows" (where you feel fatigued, and ravenously hungry – for more carbs and sugar). For many, it's really hard to lose weight that way.
Atkins, on the other hand, limits carbohydrates (sugar), so the body burns fat, including body fat, for fuel. This approach leaves the body steadily fueled, and weight is lost, even when more calories are being consumed. Steady fueling also means more constant energy levels all day long, and less hunger and cravings! You can actually lose weight while feeling full! The science behind the Atkins principles has been proven by over 80 clinical studies!
Yeah.. me and these 80 clinical studies, and the thousands of low carb diet success stories live in our own universe.. you should visit sometime!
Millions of people have followed Atkins since the 70's, yet obesity still exist. Google the picture of keto beast Jimmy Moore standing next to high-carb vegan durianrider. It is quite telling0 -
jennibean40 wrote: »Not everyone's body responds the same way to different approaches to losing weight. The key is to find a match for your body and metabolism.
Dr Atkins, a well-known cardiologist, limited his patient's intake of sugar and carbohydrates. As a result, many of his patients successfully lost weight and kept it off – even though they had previously been unsuccessful on regular low-calorie diets!
The key was understanding that everyone's metabolism can use two different types of fuel for energy – either sugar (and carbs that are quickly turned into sugar by the body), or fat. But the type of fuel you burn can have a big difference in losing or maintaining weight. A typical diet reduces calories, but is still high in carbohydrates (and thus sugar). As a result, many people constantly cycle between sugar "highs" (where excess sugar is actually stored as fat in the body) and sugar "lows" (where you feel fatigued, and ravenously hungry – for more carbs and sugar). For many, it's really hard to lose weight that way.
Atkins, on the other hand, limits carbohydrates (sugar), so the body burns fat, including body fat, for fuel. This approach leaves the body steadily fueled, and weight is lost, even when more calories are being consumed. Steady fueling also means more constant energy levels all day long, and less hunger and cravings! You can actually lose weight while feeling full! The science behind the Atkins principles has been proven by over 80 clinical studies!
Yeah.. me and these 80 clinical studies, and the thousands of low carb diet success stories live in our own universe.. you should visit sometime!
guess what they all have in common...
they all RESTRICT calories...
CICO works for everyone...
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Limiting intake of carbs and sugars (same thing) fundamentally limits calories...jennibean40 wrote: »Not everyone's body responds the same way to different approaches to losing weight. The key is to find a match for your body and metabolism.
Dr Atkins, a well-known cardiologist, limited his patient's intake of sugar and carbohydrates. As a result, many of his patients successfully lost weight and kept it off – even though they had previously been unsuccessful on regular low-calorie diets!
Incorrect. It's not an either or. A healthy body uses multiple energy pathways...jennibean40 wrote: »The key was understanding that everyone's metabolism can use two different types of fuel for energy – either sugar (and carbs that are quickly turned into sugar by the body), or fat.
Incorrect...jennibean40 wrote: »But the type of fuel you burn can have a big difference in losing or maintaining weight.
Not if you are in a state of negative energy balance...jennibean40 wrote: »A typical diet reduces calories, but is still high in carbohydrates (and thus sugar). As a result, many people constantly cycle between sugar "highs" (where excess sugar is actually stored as fat in the body) and sugar "lows" (where you feel fatigued, and ravenously hungry – for more carbs and sugar). For many, it's really hard to lose weight that way.
Not if you are in an energy surplus. To limit carbs is the same as to limit calories. CICO...jennibean40 wrote: »Atkins, on the other hand, limits carbohydrates (sugar), so the body burns fat, including body fat, for fuel.
Again, not in an energy surplus...jennibean40 wrote: »This approach leaves the body steadily fueled, and weight is lost, even when more calories are being consumed. Steady fueling also means more constant energy levels all day long, and less hunger and cravings! You can actually lose weight while feeling full! The science behind the Atkins principles has been proven by over 80 clinical studies!
Yes they were successful, but not because of what you think...jennibean40 wrote: »Yeah.. me and these 80 clinical studies, and the thousands of low carb diet success stories live in our own universe.. you should visit sometime!
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Has there not been a true study on this by now?
Same calorie intake, one low carb. the other not.
I find myself curious about this now and may do more research. hummm
there have been studies but some say that low carb is better and others say that high protein is better, OR that there is no difference between moderate diet and low carb diet...
so jury is out..
my suggestion, use whatever tool you feel is necessary to get your in a calorie deficit and meet your long term goals..
just don't say that CICO does not apply to me.-1 -
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Has there not been a true study on this by now?
Same calorie intake, one low carb. the other not.
I find myself curious about this now and may do more research. hummm
there have been studies but some say that low carb is better and others say that high protein is better, OR that there is no difference between moderate diet and low carb diet...
so jury is out..
my suggestion, use whatever tool you feel is necessary to get your in a calorie deficit and meet your long term goals..
just don't say that CICO does not apply to me.
My money is on no nameworthy difference.0 -
Yes, At this point in my weight loss I am just doing cico.... I have found it the easiest way for ME. I do input some things first to see the calories in it before I decide on the meal.
All the other info is interesting but I am not there yet to "meeting" those goals. ie protein,carbs,fat,fiber,etc....
thanks for the info. C.R.0 -
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Man this gets old. Low carb diets TEND (but not necessarily WILL) to put people in a deficit. Its just a smaller deficit with more satisfaction and less hunger. Its still CICO, not sure why everyone argues about it. OP, seriously, if you truly want ideas and suggestions from people who have done it successfully, use the link and come find the low carb group. You are never going to win this argument. Ever.0
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Man this gets old. Low carb diets TEND (but not necessarily WILL) to put people in a deficit. Its just a smaller deficit with more satisfaction and less hunger. Its still CICO, not sure why everyone argues about it. OP, seriously, if you truly want ideas and suggestions from people who have done it successfully, use the link and come find the low carb group. You are never going to win this argument. Ever.
Amen.0 -
Man this gets old. Low carb diets TEND (but not necessarily WILL) to put people in a deficit. Its just a smaller deficit with more satisfaction and less hunger. Its still CICO, not sure why everyone argues about it. OP, seriously, if you truly want ideas and suggestions from people who have done it successfully, use the link and come find the low carb group. You are never going to win this argument. Ever.
The only people arguing are the low carbers saying it is not CICO...
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Man this gets old. Low carb diets TEND (but not necessarily WILL) to put people in a deficit. Its just a smaller deficit with more satisfaction and less hunger. Its still CICO, not sure why everyone argues about it. OP, seriously, if you truly want ideas and suggestions from people who have done it successfully, use the link and come find the low carb group. You are never going to win this argument. Ever.
The only people arguing are the low carbers saying it is not CICO...
for realz...0 -
Man this gets old. Low carb diets TEND (but not necessarily WILL) to put people in a deficit. Its just a smaller deficit with more satisfaction and less hunger. Its still CICO, not sure why everyone argues about it. OP, seriously, if you truly want ideas and suggestions from people who have done it successfully, use the link and come find the low carb group. You are never going to win this argument. Ever.
the only one arguing it is not CICO is the OP ...0 -
Man this gets old. Low carb diets TEND (but not necessarily WILL) to put people in a deficit. Its just a smaller deficit with more satisfaction and less hunger. Its still CICO, not sure why everyone argues about it. OP, seriously, if you truly want ideas and suggestions from people who have done it successfully, use the link and come find the low carb group. You are never going to win this argument. Ever.
The only people arguing are the low carbers saying it is not CICO...
I thought she was saying what low carb is what works for her over straight calorie counting. I know I saw that in several of her posts, I may have missed the one where she said CICO doesn't work. And the low carbers rarely ever argue because most of the veterans are tired of beating their heads against a stone wall and the newbies get chased off. But by all means continue to argue away. I'm just saying it gets really old.0 -
Man this gets old. Low carb diets TEND (but not necessarily WILL) to put people in a deficit. Its just a smaller deficit with more satisfaction and less hunger. Its still CICO, not sure why everyone argues about it. OP, seriously, if you truly want ideas and suggestions from people who have done it successfully, use the link and come find the low carb group. You are never going to win this argument. Ever.
The only people arguing are the low carbers saying it is not CICO...
I thought she was saying what low carb is what works for her over straight calorie counting. I know I saw that in several of her posts, I may have missed the one where she said CICO doesn't work. And the low carbers rarely ever argue because most of the veterans are tired of beating their heads against a stone wall and the newbies get chased off. But by all means continue to argue away. I'm just saying it gets really old.
honestly, if she had not said that on page one, I would not even be in this thread...
whatever method we use they are all tools to get us to the same place....I just don't like the "CICO does not work for me but restricting X food does" argument...
hope that makes sense...0 -
Man this gets old. Low carb diets TEND (but not necessarily WILL) to put people in a deficit. Its just a smaller deficit with more satisfaction and less hunger. Its still CICO, not sure why everyone argues about it. OP, seriously, if you truly want ideas and suggestions from people who have done it successfully, use the link and come find the low carb group. You are never going to win this argument. Ever.
the only one arguing it is not CICO is the OP ...
And the only ones that ever START the argument are the ones who don't eat low carb, and always when the OP has asked for advice from others following the same WOE. OP may not have articulated her point well, I can concede that. It doesn't negate the fact that non-low carbers jumped in to tell her how wrong she is when she specifically asked for low carb advice. I am not a heavy lifter, therefore I don't go into threads asking for advice on heavy lifting and start handing it out. I also don't go in there telling them that heavy lifting is all wrong and they should be doing, I don't know, yoga or something. Its the same concept. If you don't do low carb, why are you in a thread written by someone asking for low carb advice?2 -
Man this gets old. Low carb diets TEND (but not necessarily WILL) to put people in a deficit. Its just a smaller deficit with more satisfaction and less hunger. Its still CICO, not sure why everyone argues about it. OP, seriously, if you truly want ideas and suggestions from people who have done it successfully, use the link and come find the low carb group. You are never going to win this argument. Ever.
The only people arguing are the low carbers saying it is not CICO...
I thought she was saying what low carb is what works for her over straight calorie counting. I know I saw that in several of her posts, I may have missed the one where she said CICO doesn't work. And the low carbers rarely ever argue because most of the veterans are tired of beating their heads against a stone wall and the newbies get chased off. But by all means continue to argue away. I'm just saying it gets really old.
I'm not arguing.
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Man this gets old. Low carb diets TEND (but not necessarily WILL) to put people in a deficit. Its just a smaller deficit with more satisfaction and less hunger. Its still CICO, not sure why everyone argues about it. OP, seriously, if you truly want ideas and suggestions from people who have done it successfully, use the link and come find the low carb group. You are never going to win this argument. Ever.
The only people arguing are the low carbers saying it is not CICO...
I thought she was saying what low carb is what works for her over straight calorie counting. I know I saw that in several of her posts, I may have missed the one where she said CICO doesn't work. And the low carbers rarely ever argue because most of the veterans are tired of beating their heads against a stone wall and the newbies get chased off. But by all means continue to argue away. I'm just saying it gets really old.
I'm not arguing.
Y'okay. lol
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Man this gets old. Low carb diets TEND (but not necessarily WILL) to put people in a deficit. Its just a smaller deficit with more satisfaction and less hunger. Its still CICO, not sure why everyone argues about it. OP, seriously, if you truly want ideas and suggestions from people who have done it successfully, use the link and come find the low carb group. You are never going to win this argument. Ever.
the only one arguing it is not CICO is the OP ...
And the only ones that ever START the argument are the ones who don't eat low carb, and always when the OP has asked for advice from others following the same WOE. OP may not have articulated her point well, I can concede that. It doesn't negate the fact that non-low carbers jumped in to tell her how wrong she is when she specifically asked for low carb advice. I am not a heavy lifter, therefore I don't go into threads asking for advice on heavy lifting and start handing it out. I also don't go in there telling them that heavy lifting is all wrong and they should be doing, I don't know, yoga or something. Its the same concept. If you don't do low carb, why are you in a thread written by someone asking for low carb advice?
The arguments start when the non low carbers clarify why said low carb diet is working. Low carbers generally do not like to hear low carb works due to CICO...0 -
Man this gets old. Low carb diets TEND (but not necessarily WILL) to put people in a deficit. Its just a smaller deficit with more satisfaction and less hunger. Its still CICO, not sure why everyone argues about it. OP, seriously, if you truly want ideas and suggestions from people who have done it successfully, use the link and come find the low carb group. You are never going to win this argument. Ever.
The only people arguing are the low carbers saying it is not CICO...
I thought she was saying what low carb is what works for her over straight calorie counting. I know I saw that in several of her posts, I may have missed the one where she said CICO doesn't work. And the low carbers rarely ever argue because most of the veterans are tired of beating their heads against a stone wall and the newbies get chased off. But by all means continue to argue away. I'm just saying it gets really old.
I'm not arguing.
Y'okay. lol
Where have I argued?
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Man this gets old. Low carb diets TEND (but not necessarily WILL) to put people in a deficit. Its just a smaller deficit with more satisfaction and less hunger. Its still CICO, not sure why everyone argues about it. OP, seriously, if you truly want ideas and suggestions from people who have done it successfully, use the link and come find the low carb group. You are never going to win this argument. Ever.
The only people arguing are the low carbers saying it is not CICO...
I thought she was saying what low carb is what works for her over straight calorie counting. I know I saw that in several of her posts, I may have missed the one where she said CICO doesn't work. And the low carbers rarely ever argue because most of the veterans are tired of beating their heads against a stone wall and the newbies get chased off. But by all means continue to argue away. I'm just saying it gets really old.
honestly, if she had not said that on page one, I would not even be in this thread...
whatever method we use they are all tools to get us to the same place....I just don't like the "CICO does not work for me but restricting X food does" argument...
hope that makes sense...
Seriously??
Her OP "The best way ive found to drop lbs without pills or starving! Anyone else use this method? Interested in ideas, recipes, and success stories!
She specifically said this is the WOE that works for her and she'd like ideas and recipes from those who have had success. Where in that did she ask for a debate about her food choices? Granted, she would have been better off just following the link given early on rather than giving in to said debate but her arguments were in response to non-low carbers telling her she was wrong. THAT is what gets old on these boards.0 -
Man this gets old. Low carb diets TEND (but not necessarily WILL) to put people in a deficit. Its just a smaller deficit with more satisfaction and less hunger. Its still CICO, not sure why everyone argues about it. OP, seriously, if you truly want ideas and suggestions from people who have done it successfully, use the link and come find the low carb group. You are never going to win this argument. Ever.
the only one arguing it is not CICO is the OP ...
And the only ones that ever START the argument are the ones who don't eat low carb, and always when the OP has asked for advice from others following the same WOE. OP may not have articulated her point well, I can concede that. It doesn't negate the fact that non-low carbers jumped in to tell her how wrong she is when she specifically asked for low carb advice. I am not a heavy lifter, therefore I don't go into threads asking for advice on heavy lifting and start handing it out. I also don't go in there telling them that heavy lifting is all wrong and they should be doing, I don't know, yoga or something. Its the same concept. If you don't do low carb, why are you in a thread written by someone asking for low carb advice?
well, when she blasted out a bunch of pseudoscience I felt compelled to correct the record. Additionally, there are a lot of people that lurk the forums and look for advice, and I don't think that incorrect information should go unchallenged.
I have said this a million times, but if someone want to do low carb/keto, great. Just don't try to convince the rest of us that CICO does not apply and that low carb/keto is somehow better than a regular calorie deficit...
who made you the thread police? It is a public forum and anyone can comment on any topic...so not really sure why you are so worked up about this...
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Man this gets old. Low carb diets TEND (but not necessarily WILL) to put people in a deficit. Its just a smaller deficit with more satisfaction and less hunger. Its still CICO, not sure why everyone argues about it. OP, seriously, if you truly want ideas and suggestions from people who have done it successfully, use the link and come find the low carb group. You are never going to win this argument. Ever.
The only people arguing are the low carbers saying it is not CICO...
I thought she was saying what low carb is what works for her over straight calorie counting. I know I saw that in several of her posts, I may have missed the one where she said CICO doesn't work. And the low carbers rarely ever argue because most of the veterans are tired of beating their heads against a stone wall and the newbies get chased off. But by all means continue to argue away. I'm just saying it gets really old.
honestly, if she had not said that on page one, I would not even be in this thread...
whatever method we use they are all tools to get us to the same place....I just don't like the "CICO does not work for me but restricting X food does" argument...
hope that makes sense...
Seriously??
Her OP "The best way ive found to drop lbs without pills or starving! Anyone else use this method? Interested in ideas, recipes, and success stories!
She specifically said this is the WOE that works for her and she'd like ideas and recipes from those who have had success. Where in that did she ask for a debate about her food choices? Granted, she would have been better off just following the link given early on rather than giving in to said debate but her arguments were in response to non-low carbers telling her she was wrong. THAT is what gets old on these boards.
oh, so when she went on to say that a 500 calorie deficit is "extreme" that should just go unchallenged? OR when she said that 'calorie restriction does not work for her, when she is in fact calorie restricting" ...
way to cherry pick one statement ...
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Man this gets old. Low carb diets TEND (but not necessarily WILL) to put people in a deficit. Its just a smaller deficit with more satisfaction and less hunger. Its still CICO, not sure why everyone argues about it. OP, seriously, if you truly want ideas and suggestions from people who have done it successfully, use the link and come find the low carb group. You are never going to win this argument. Ever.
the only one arguing it is not CICO is the OP ...
And the only ones that ever START the argument are the ones who don't eat low carb, and always when the OP has asked for advice from others following the same WOE. OP may not have articulated her point well, I can concede that. It doesn't negate the fact that non-low carbers jumped in to tell her how wrong she is when she specifically asked for low carb advice. I am not a heavy lifter, therefore I don't go into threads asking for advice on heavy lifting and start handing it out. I also don't go in there telling them that heavy lifting is all wrong and they should be doing, I don't know, yoga or something. Its the same concept. If you don't do low carb, why are you in a thread written by someone asking for low carb advice?
The arguments start when the non low carbers clarify why said low carb diet is working. Low carbers generally do not like to hear low carb works due to CICO...
The argument starts because people who don't eat low carb feel the need to give advice to those who do. I don't go into heavy lifting threads and demand someone tell me the exact science and terminology of lifting (please don't, I really don't care) and then argue that they have it all wrong. Why? I don't currently lift, I don't have much experience to speak about, and I haven't studied it. Therefore I leave it to those who do have experience and have studied it to hand out advice. It would be nice if the low carb WOE were given this same respect.1
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