Is diet pop really bad for you?
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SergeantSausage wrote: »It does prevent weight loss because of the chemical artificial sweeteners such as sucralose, acesulfame-K (potassium), saccharin and aspartame. They have zero calories, but the chemicals and the sweet taste with zero calories doesn't trick the brain that you are eating sugar and instead stimulates your appetite so you eat more to make up for the calorie deficit the brain is expecting. It causes you to gain more weight and proportionately more fat and in turn slows your metabolism.
I would suggest a few things. You can put lemon or cucumber slices in your water to flavor it. You an also try sparkling mineral water (Perrier has flavored waters) or using plain and mixing with a little bit of 100% cranberry juice with a touch of stevia. The more you can fall in love with regular water - the better your weight loss.
Yer funny, Bro.
Have a look at my profile pics and tell me again it "prevents weight loss"
I'm laughin' over here ...
I actually agree with him. I was never into sodas but bought a pack of diet dr pepper a few months ago and liked the taste. I noticed that every single time I had one, which was not often, my stomach would be RAGING with hunger and I would go over my caloric goal (not by much, but I felt compelled to eat) despite the discipline I have on days I do not drink it.
I think everyone is different but after my experiences, I can totally do without diet soda!0 -
On a very basic level, I see no nutritional value in diet soda whatsoever, so why drink the crap.0
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Water is best for hydration. There is no nutritional value in soda at all, but it is loaded with other junk. I personally do have a strong reaction to artificial sweeteners, especially aspartame. That's a person choice based on what you believe or how your body responds. My two cents would be - why put chemicals and crap in your body if you don't need to?
Exactly, why would you?
In today's paper, there was a full page ad from the World Health Orgainisation, supported by the Heart Foundation and the Cancer Council. "Say NOOO! to soda!"
"This week, the World Health Organisation confirmed its new guidelines for sugar. Adults should consume less than 10 teaspoons a day, ideally no more than six - about half a can of soft drink. Too much sugar can cause toxic fat to build up around your vital organs and can lead to cancer, type 2 diabetes and heart disease."
Surely, all these experts aren't delusional and are not all idiots.
You are talking about this press release I assume:
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/releases/2015/sugar-guideline/en/
There is no mention of 'toxic fat'.
Extract:
“We have solid evidence that keeping intake of free sugars to less than 10% of total energy intake reduces the risk of overweight, obesity and tooth decay,” says Dr Francesco Branca, Director of WHO’s Department of Nutrition for Health and Development. “Making policy changes to support this will be key if countries are to live up to their commitments to reduce the burden of noncommunicable diseases.”
The WHO guideline does not refer to the sugars in fresh fruits and vegetables, and sugars naturally present in milk, because there is no reported evidence of adverse effects of consuming these sugars.
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Reducing sugars intake to less than 10% of total energy: a strong recommendation
The recommendations are based on analysis of the latest scientific evidence. This evidence shows, first, that adults who consume less sugars have lower body weight and, second, that increasing the amount of sugars in the diet is associated with a weight increase. "
So, basically, if you eat a lot of sugar, you have more risk of being overweight - not exactly a shocker, not relevant for people not overweight (as long as you have good dental hygiene) and totally irrelevant to the topic at hand.0 -
sarashahgholami wrote: »SergeantSausage wrote: »It does prevent weight loss because of the chemical artificial sweeteners such as sucralose, acesulfame-K (potassium), saccharin and aspartame. They have zero calories, but the chemicals and the sweet taste with zero calories doesn't trick the brain that you are eating sugar and instead stimulates your appetite so you eat more to make up for the calorie deficit the brain is expecting. It causes you to gain more weight and proportionately more fat and in turn slows your metabolism.
I would suggest a few things. You can put lemon or cucumber slices in your water to flavor it. You an also try sparkling mineral water (Perrier has flavored waters) or using plain and mixing with a little bit of 100% cranberry juice with a touch of stevia. The more you can fall in love with regular water - the better your weight loss.
Yer funny, Bro.
Have a look at my profile pics and tell me again it "prevents weight loss"
I'm laughin' over here ...
I actually agree with him. I was never into sodas but bought a pack of diet dr pepper a few months ago and liked the taste. I noticed that every single time I had one, which was not often, my stomach would be RAGING with hunger and I would go over my caloric goal (not by much, but I felt compelled to eat) despite the discipline I have on days I do not drink it.
I think everyone is different but after my experiences, I can totally do without diet soda!
That may just be your personal experience. I've never had that issue.0 -
On a very basic level, I see no nutritional value in diet soda whatsoever, so why drink the crap.
It tastes good, is a nice little sweet note after a meal, and can fill you up when you're feeling peckish but not really hungry.
Also? When your tummy's not quite feeling right, diet ginger ale goes down a treat.
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I don't know much about science, and I have no citations to offer. I only know what is true for me:
~I'll be 50 in May and have been drinking diet soda (on average 2-3 per week) since I was a teenager. I use half a packet of Sweet Leaf Stevia in my coffee (2-3 cups per day);
~I don't believe that, since I'm drinking diet soda, I can eat whatever I want. If you see me at McDonald's ordering a quarter pounder, fries and a Diet Coke, it's because I like the taste of Diet Coke, not because I think the Diet Coke negates the burger and fries;
~I suffer no stomach problems, or in fact, any physical ailments from drinking diet soda;
~I have not found that diet soda/artificial sweeteners make me want to eat more. I was a Diet Coke drinker when I was at my heaviest, and a Diet Coke drinker when I was at my lightest. Easing up on the reins and shoving too much food in my face is what makes me fat, not the zero-calorie beverage I use to wash down said food.
Obviously my experience isn't the same as other people's. If someone doesn't like the way diet soda affects them, then they don't have to drink it. But given my experience, I don't see why I should give it up.
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sarashahgholami wrote: »I actually agree with him. I was never into sodas but bought a pack of diet dr pepper a few months ago and liked the taste. I noticed that every single time I had one, which was not often, my stomach would be RAGING with hunger and I would go over my caloric goal (not by much, but I felt compelled to eat) despite the discipline I have on days I do not drink it.
I think everyone is different but after my experiences, I can totally do without diet soda!
So, I ate over my calories yesterday because I went to visit a friend yesterday and he not only made a delicious casserole, but he also sent some of it home with me. Naturally, I had to dispose of it quickly and ate the leftovers for dinner. *sigh* I ate early, consumed most of a one-liter bottle of diet Coke and a couple of cups of coffee, went to sleep and I'm still debating on whether I'm hungry enough for breakfast or not. No raging hunger, no upset in my stomach at all. What's true for you is not true for others.
*shrugs* I've been drinking the darn stuff since it had saccharine in it. lo those many moons ago. It hasn't killed me yet. I like the taste and make no apologies for it. It's a shame that so many people work so hard to force others to behave as they want them to behave based on a poor understanding of science (and anecdotal evidence).
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Jbarnes1210 wrote: »My name is jessica , and I'm addicted to diet pop! I'm trying to give up, it has 0 calories/carbs... So why do I keep hearing it will,prevent weight loss????
One concern about artificial sweeteners is that they affect the body’s ability to gauge how many calories are being consumed. Some studies show that sugar and artificial sweeteners affect the brain in different ways.
The human brain responds to sweetness with signals to eat more. By providing a sweet taste without any calories, however, artificial sweeteners cause us to crave more sweet foods and drinks, which can add up to excess calories.
So in conclusion, don't use artificial sweeteners if you can help it (AKA diet soda).
It only increases the appetite for some - for others it helps adherence to their calorie target. Your body does not determine how many calories you have eaten - what you put in your mouth does.
The studies that are thrown around were done under ad lib eating conditions.
Thanks for undermining my reply but I don't see any thoughts of yours posted on here that reflect any sort of academic work. Just opinions after opinions. Oh and more opinions....
Do you realize that of the millions and millions of users on this site, Sara has easily shared and explained more reputable scientific studies than ANYONE else, and quite possibly EVERYONE else combined?
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herrspoons wrote: »As I said, I quoted the whole ad as written in the paper. It is the same ad that has been televised nationwide for the past year and the words "toxic fat" are used. Apparently it is a joint campaign between the State Government, Heart Foundation and Cancer to encourage people to eat well, be physically active and maintain a healthy weight.
You know what one of the virtues of a decent person is? Admitting when they're wrong.
A little humility goes a long way.
I noticed somebody flagged you. Thank you for that whoever you are.
Herrspoons, I am actually a decent person. By quoting an article from the paper does not make me wrong, or indecent or lacking in humility.
Not liking soda does not make me a bad person.0 -
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Water is best for hydration. There is no nutritional value in soda at all, but it is loaded with other junk. I personally do have a strong reaction to artificial sweeteners, especially aspartame. That's a person choice based on what you believe or how your body responds. My two cents would be - why put chemicals and crap in your body if you don't need to?
Exactly, why would you?
In today's paper, there was a full page ad from the World Health Orgainisation, supported by the Heart Foundation and the Cancer Council. "Say NOOO! to soda!"
"This week, the World Health Organisation confirmed its new guidelines for sugar. Adults should consume less than 10 teaspoons a day, ideally no more than six - about half a can of soft drink. Too much sugar can cause toxic fat to build up around your vital organs and can lead to cancer, type 2 diabetes and heart disease."
Surely, all these experts aren't delusional and are not all idiots.
You are talking about this press release I assume:
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/releases/2015/sugar-guideline/en/
There is no mention of 'toxic fat'.
Extract:
“We have solid evidence that keeping intake of free sugars to less than 10% of total energy intake reduces the risk of overweight, obesity and tooth decay,” says Dr Francesco Branca, Director of WHO’s Department of Nutrition for Health and Development. “Making policy changes to support this will be key if countries are to live up to their commitments to reduce the burden of noncommunicable diseases.”
The WHO guideline does not refer to the sugars in fresh fruits and vegetables, and sugars naturally present in milk, because there is no reported evidence of adverse effects of consuming these sugars.
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Reducing sugars intake to less than 10% of total energy: a strong recommendation
The recommendations are based on analysis of the latest scientific evidence. This evidence shows, first, that adults who consume less sugars have lower body weight and, second, that increasing the amount of sugars in the diet is associated with a weight increase. "
So, basically, if you eat a lot of sugar, you have more risk of being overweight - not exactly a shocker, not relevant for people not overweight (as long as you have good dental hygiene) and totally irrelevant to the topic at hand.
Not sure where the "toxic fat" bit comes from but it graces our lounge rooms most evenings through the Australian Government Campaign.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pThTr83UWa8 0 -
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herrspoons wrote: »As I said, I quoted the whole ad as written in the paper. It is the same ad that has been televised nationwide for the past year and the words "toxic fat" are used. Apparently it is a joint campaign between the State Government, Heart Foundation and Cancer to encourage people to eat well, be physically active and maintain a healthy weight.
You know what one of the virtues of a decent person is? Admitting when they're wrong.
A little humility goes a long way.
I noticed somebody flagged you. Thank you for that whoever you are.
Herrspoons, I am actually a decent person. By quoting an article from the paper does not make me wrong, or indecent or lacking in humility.
Not liking soda does not make me a bad person.
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mamapeach910 wrote: »
Sorry, I don't understand your childish drawing. Please explain it.0 -
Drawing = "you're missing the point".0
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mamapeach910 wrote: »
Sorry, I don't understand your childish drawing. Please explain it.
You keep missing the point, Leena.
This thread is about DIET soda.
You came on here with some blurb about sugary soda as if it were relevant to the discussion and keep defending it by saying "well, it's what the WHO said!"
The point is that the what you posted isn't germane.
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Water is best for hydration. There is no nutritional value in soda at all, but it is loaded with other junk. I personally do have a strong reaction to artificial sweeteners, especially aspartame. That's a person choice based on what you believe or how your body responds. My two cents would be - why put chemicals and crap in your body if you don't need to?
Exactly, why would you?
In today's paper, there was a full page ad from the World Health Orgainisation, supported by the Heart Foundation and the Cancer Council. "Say NOOO! to soda!"
"This week, the World Health Organisation confirmed its new guidelines for sugar. Adults should consume less than 10 teaspoons a day, ideally no more than six - about half a can of soft drink. Too much sugar can cause toxic fat to build up around your vital organs and can lead to cancer, type 2 diabetes and heart disease."
Surely, all these experts aren't delusional and are not all idiots.
You are talking about this press release I assume:
http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/releases/2015/sugar-guideline/en/
There is no mention of 'toxic fat'.
Extract:
“We have solid evidence that keeping intake of free sugars to less than 10% of total energy intake reduces the risk of overweight, obesity and tooth decay,” says Dr Francesco Branca, Director of WHO’s Department of Nutrition for Health and Development. “Making policy changes to support this will be key if countries are to live up to their commitments to reduce the burden of noncommunicable diseases.”
The WHO guideline does not refer to the sugars in fresh fruits and vegetables, and sugars naturally present in milk, because there is no reported evidence of adverse effects of consuming these sugars.
.......
Reducing sugars intake to less than 10% of total energy: a strong recommendation
The recommendations are based on analysis of the latest scientific evidence. This evidence shows, first, that adults who consume less sugars have lower body weight and, second, that increasing the amount of sugars in the diet is associated with a weight increase. "
So, basically, if you eat a lot of sugar, you have more risk of being overweight - not exactly a shocker, not relevant for people not overweight (as long as you have good dental hygiene) and totally irrelevant to the topic at hand.
Not sure where the "toxic fat" bit comes from but it graces our lounge rooms most evenings through the Australian Government Campaign.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pThTr83UWa8
Sounds like a dramatic attention seeking way (which is what ads do) of saying visceral fat (which is caused by overconsumption of calories in general).
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herrspoons wrote: »As I said, I quoted the whole ad as written in the paper. It is the same ad that has been televised nationwide for the past year and the words "toxic fat" are used. Apparently it is a joint campaign between the State Government, Heart Foundation and Cancer to encourage people to eat well, be physically active and maintain a healthy weight.
You know what one of the virtues of a decent person is? Admitting when they're wrong.
A little humility goes a long way.
I noticed somebody flagged you. Thank you for that whoever you are.
Herrspoons, I am actually a decent person. By quoting an article from the paper does not make me wrong, or indecent or lacking in humility.
Not liking soda does not make me a bad person.
I would not thank someone for flagging a post that does not violate any community standards. Flagged posts require review by mods, who have serious issues to address, including severe anorexia, threats of suicide, actual aggressive, persistent abuse, and rampant use of Jennifer Lawrence gifs. Posts should not be flagged because you disagree with or don't like the point.0 -
herrspoons wrote: »As I said, I quoted the whole ad as written in the paper. It is the same ad that has been televised nationwide for the past year and the words "toxic fat" are used. Apparently it is a joint campaign between the State Government, Heart Foundation and Cancer to encourage people to eat well, be physically active and maintain a healthy weight.
You know what one of the virtues of a decent person is? Admitting when they're wrong.
A little humility goes a long way.
I noticed somebody flagged you. Thank you for that whoever you are.
Herrspoons, I am actually a decent person. By quoting an article from the paper does not make me wrong, or indecent or lacking in humility.
Not liking soda does not make me a bad person.
Wtf does an ad about "free sugar" have to do with diet soda? Just thought this was a good place to put your soapbox?? The only difference between diet soda and water is carbonation and sodium. The end.0 -
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Jbarnes1210 wrote: »My name is jessica , and I'm addicted to diet pop! I'm trying to give up, it has 0 calories/carbs... So why do I keep hearing it will,prevent weight loss????
Here check it out http://authoritynutrition.com/why-is-diet-soda-bad-for-you/
Extract - the Take Home Message from the article:
"Take Home Message
Many of the studies above are so-called epidemiological studies, which can not prove that diet drinks caused anything. Such studies can only show an association.
Whether diet soda can cause harm or not has yet to be proven in controlled trials, but it is clear that there is a strong statistical association between diet soda and disease.
One possible explanation for the link is the fact that people who are already gaining weight are more likely to turn to diet drinks."
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Extract - the Take Home Message from the article:
"Take Home Message
Many of the studies above are so-called epidemiological studies, which can not prove that diet drinks caused anything. Such studies can only show an association.
Whether diet soda can cause harm or not has yet to be proven in controlled trials, but it is clear that there is a strong statistical association between diet soda and disease.
One possible explanation for the link is the fact that people who are already gaining weight are more likely to turn to diet drinks."
Summed up: correlation is not causation.
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Wow my first post (now my last) - as I find too much negativity here. That's too bad - you should be nurturing a supportive open environment here, rather than being defensive, critical and immature (laughing, really?) and let people make their own decisions. If something works for you - great - if not then find what does. There wouldn't be thousands of diets if one way worked for everyone. If you want to state what worked or didn't work for you fine - but there's certainly a better way to do that than what I am seeing here.
Jessica asked a question, I provided an answer. She asked why she hears that drinking pop will prevent weight loss. Keep in mind everyone is different and there are long term effects to take into consideration. The incidence of metabolic syndrome is a fact - and you can have it and be thin, so be careful not to fall off the diet wagon - the weight gain will be much worse.
For all of you ingesting chemicals and being so defensive - you do whatever you want. But it doesn't take a genius to know that drinking water is better than drinking pop - or soda or whatever you call it where you live - that is made with chemicals!
Multiple different scientific studies are cited in the articles below, from several credible resources.
http://drhyman.com/blog/2010/06/19/artificial-sweeteners-could-be-sabotaging-your-diet/
http://www.webmd.com/diet/20040630/artificial-sweeteners-damage-diet-efforts?page=1
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/12/04/saccharin-aspartame-dangers.aspx
http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/artificial-sweeteners-sugar-free-but-at-what-cost-201207165030
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2892765/
http://chriskresser.com/the-unbiased-truth-about-artificial-sweeteners
http://time.com/3380013/artificial-sweeteners-obesity/
Well if my post was so off topic, why don't you just return to topic. Problem solved.
Dantl (another example of someone denied freedom of speech) has provided plenty of links to keep you busy.0 -
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Wow my first post (now my last) - as I find too much negativity here. That's too bad - you should be nurturing a supportive open environment here, rather than being defensive, critical and immature (laughing, really?) and let people make their own decisions. If something works for you - great - if not then find what does. There wouldn't be thousands of diets if one way worked for everyone. If you want to state what worked or didn't work for you fine - but there's certainly a better way to do that than what I am seeing here.
Jessica asked a question, I provided an answer. She asked why she hears that drinking pop will prevent weight loss. Keep in mind everyone is different and there are long term effects to take into consideration. The incidence of metabolic syndrome is a fact - and you can have it and be thin, so be careful not to fall off the diet wagon - the weight gain will be much worse.
For all of you ingesting chemicals and being so defensive - you do whatever you want. But it doesn't take a genius to know that drinking water is better than drinking pop - or soda or whatever you call it where you live - that is made with chemicals!
Multiple different scientific studies are cited in the articles below, from several credible resources.
http://drhyman.com/blog/2010/06/19/artificial-sweeteners-could-be-sabotaging-your-diet/
http://www.webmd.com/diet/20040630/artificial-sweeteners-damage-diet-efforts?page=1
http://articles.mercola.com/sites/articles/archive/2012/12/04/saccharin-aspartame-dangers.aspx
http://www.health.harvard.edu/blog/artificial-sweeteners-sugar-free-but-at-what-cost-201207165030
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2892765/
http://chriskresser.com/the-unbiased-truth-about-artificial-sweeteners
http://time.com/3380013/artificial-sweeteners-obesity/
Well if my post was so off topic, why don't you just return to topic. Problem solved.
Dantl (another example of someone denied freedom of speech) has provided plenty of links to keep you busy.
These have already been addressed.0
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