Why do so many people ignore calories burned with exercise in CICO?
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onyxgirl17 wrote: »I think many times people overestimate exercise calories...
Which is the opposite of ignore.0 -
3dogsrunning wrote: »ILiftHeavyAcrylics wrote: »I've never seen anyone claim that exercise doesn't count toward calories out. I have heard people say that exercise calories are often overestimated and that intake is often underestimated.
This.
I have literally never seen anyone say that exercise isn't part of CICO.
But what is the answer then?
If someone is burning 4000 calories in exercise and eating only 2000 and not losing weight, where is the problem?
The answer (almost always):
the poster is not logging calories accurately (in and out), not weighing the food
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I think this is what the OP is asking about. Statements similar to this are repeated frequently on mfp. They do give the appearance of ignoring or at least downplaying the CO side of the CICO equation. While you can generally maximize your deficit by decreasing CI, CO matters too. I exercise more because I like to eat more. I'm not willing to cut calories low as some people so I'm willing to exercise more so I can eat more.
I agree with you, I do the same myself.
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atypicalsmith wrote: »
What people who you think are saying 'exercise doesn't matter/calories don't count' what they are ACTUALLY saying is that MFP works so that you do NOT have to exercise. It works off NEAT not TDEE. It gives you a deficit based on your 'everyday life' cals. So when you exercise you ARE supposed to eat them back otherwise the deficit would be too large.
This makes the person asking about their issue go 'well then why do we exercise if we are just eating the cals back' and that's when people say that exercise is for health not weight loss.0 -
ILiftHeavyAcrylics wrote: »I've never seen anyone claim that exercise doesn't count toward calories out. I have heard people say that exercise calories are often overestimated and that intake is often underestimated.
Its more in terms of dissing cardio and saying it does nothing for weight loss or plays any part in weight loss. I think thats an interesting question.
I think the OPs numbers were just fantasy examples and not to be taken seriously becayse burning 4000 a day would require athlete sort of exercise levels.
TBF the OP could have been a lot clearer on the point they were trying to make.
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I want to add a point about calories in. A few weeks ago I noticed I was not losing weight. I was eating between 1200 to 1500 a day and exercising 1 1/2 hours to 2 hours every day. Averaging 10,000 to 12,000 steps a day. I talked to my health coach about it. She suggested that because of all the exercise I was doing that I was not eating enough food. Specifically, I needed to double my protein intake, up my carbs and watch my sodium to keep it under 2200 a day. I did that and lo and behold, the pounds began coming off, easily! I am no longer having rebound weight gain after a loss. So, consider the kinds of foods you are eating and the effect exercise is having on your body. Sometimes exercising for more than two hours begins to tell your body that you are in starvation mode so it shuts off your metabolism and holds back on releasing fat. Eat more of the right kinds of food and you will begin to see progress again.0
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oh boy0
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Oh dear the amount of confusion about what the OP is trying to say is high on this thread. There are a few interesting topics in terms of burn calories, but no idea what the OP really wants to say and some of the answers appear to be to questions that arent asked.
The 4000 was being seriously suggested!
heh I spy starvation mode.0 -
atypicalsmith wrote: »I don't get it. Writer says, "I'm exercising 4,000 calories a day and eating 2,000 calories but I'm not losing weight" and the answer is almost always CICO. Then there's the accusations that the poster is not logging calories accurately, not weighing the food, and that even though they claim to exercise, it's always "CICO". Huh? Is not burning calories by exercising calories out?
How can you say that you don't have to burn calories to have the CO part of CICO? Do you think it happens when we just lay around on the sofa watching television? EXERCISE burns calories and is part of the CALORIES OUT! Whoever is guilty, stop saying that exercise doesn't contribute, because it does. To those who cannot exercise for health reasons, I am not talking about you, even though I have a friend here who has everything against her yet she is still excelling.
Okay, off my soapbox.
Your numbers are exaggerated.
Science says if you are not losing weight, you are not eating less calories than you burn. This is with or without exercise.
By the same token, just because you exercise does not mean you will lose weight.0 -
Oh dear the amount of confusion about what the OP is trying to say is high on this thread. There are a few interesting topics in terms of burn calories, but no idea what the OP really wants to say and some of the answers appear to be to questions that arent asked.
heh I spy starvation mode.
mmhmm. oh boy.0 -
onyxgirl17 wrote: »I think many times people overestimate exercise calories...
As well as underestimate food intake.0 -
arditarose wrote: »Oh dear the amount of confusion about what the OP is trying to say is high on this thread. There are a few interesting topics in terms of burn calories, but no idea what the OP really wants to say and some of the answers appear to be to questions that arent asked.
heh I spy starvation mode.
mmhmm. oh boy.
yep you saw it first, but tbf there was enough oh boy in the rest of the thread, didnt read that other post till later.0 -
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arditarose wrote: »Oh dear the amount of confusion about what the OP is trying to say is high on this thread. There are a few interesting topics in terms of burn calories, but no idea what the OP really wants to say and some of the answers appear to be to questions that arent asked.
heh I spy starvation mode.
mmhmm. oh boy.
yep you saw it first, but tbf there was enough oh boy in the rest of the thread, didnt read that other post till later.
lol I know.0 -
nannersp61 wrote: »I want to add a point about calories in. A few weeks ago I noticed I was not losing weight. I was eating between 1200 to 1500 a day and exercising 1 1/2 hours to 2 hours every day. Averaging 10,000 to 12,000 steps a day. I talked to my health coach about it. She suggested that because of all the exercise I was doing that I was not eating enough food. Specifically, I needed to double my protein intake, up my carbs and watch my sodium to keep it under 2200 a day. I did that and lo and behold, the pounds began coming off, easily! I am no longer having rebound weight gain after a loss. So, consider the kinds of foods you are eating and the effect exercise is having on your body. Sometimes exercising for more than two hours begins to tell your body that you are in starvation mode so it shuts off your metabolism and holds back on releasing fat. Eat more of the right kinds of food and you will begin to see progress again.
The bold part is a myth.
I'll be when you started eating more to match your, for lack of a better word, exercise, your energy level picked up and you were able to put more energy into your exercise, thus bringing a calorie deficit back into play.
It's still calories in/calories out.
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When determining how much of a deficit is ideal for fat loss, exercise has absolutely nothing to do with that number.
And sorry but of all the calories your body burns every day, only a small proportion of that is related to exercise.
I still recommend exercising for good health and to be able to eat more, but almost every sentence in the OP is wrong.0 -
LiftAllThePizzas wrote: »When determining how much of a deficit is ideal for fat loss, exercise has absolutely nothing to do with that number.
And sorry but of all the calories your body burns every day, only a small proportion of that is related to exercise.
I still recommend exercising for good health and to be able to eat more, but almost every sentence in the OP is wrong.
That's right, because you don't have to exercise to lose weight. 0 -
atypicalsmith wrote: »I don't get it. Writer says, "I'm exercising 4,000 calories a day and eating 2,000 calories but I'm not losing weight" and the answer is almost always CICO. Then there's the accusations that the poster is not logging calories accurately, not weighing the food, and that even though they claim to exercise, it's always "CICO". Huh? Is not burning calories by exercising calories out?
Because those numbers aren't realistic. Running a 2000 calorie/day deficit while exerting such enormous physical effort is something that's only possible for someone at an elite level of fitness.
Before advice can be given, the logging needs to be fixed, especially when an example like that where the numbers are so clearly bogus comes along.
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LiftAllThePizzas wrote: »When determining how much of a deficit is ideal for fat loss, exercise has absolutely nothing to do with that number.
Who mentioned the ideal rate for fat loss?
Who said exercise was part of that?
How your deficit is composed is influenced by calories burned though.0 -
But what about all those people whose bodies do not obey the laws of physics?PikaKnight wrote: »atypicalsmith wrote: »I don't get it. Writer says, "I'm exercising 4,000 calories a day and eating 2,000 calories but I'm not losing weight" and the answer is almost always CICO. Then there's the accusations that the poster is not logging calories accurately, not weighing the food, and that even though they claim to exercise, it's always "CICO". Huh? Is not burning calories by exercising calories out?
How can you say that you don't have to burn calories to have the CO part of CICO? Do you think it happens when we just lay around on the sofa watching television? EXERCISE burns calories and is part of the CALORIES OUT! Whoever is guilty, stop saying that exercise doesn't contribute, because it does. To those who cannot exercise for health reasons, I am not talking about you, even though I have a friend here who has everything against her yet she is still excelling.
Okay, off my soapbox.
And yet, how many times has it turned out the OP isn't recording food consistently, doesn't use a food scale and most times eyeballs things, or/and it turns out they've been logging exaggerated burns? Almost always..if not just...always.
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LiftAllThePizzas wrote: »
But what about all those people whose bodies do not obey the laws of physics?PikaKnight wrote: »atypicalsmith wrote: »I don't get it. Writer says, "I'm exercising 4,000 calories a day and eating 2,000 calories but I'm not losing weight" and the answer is almost always CICO. Then there's the accusations that the poster is not logging calories accurately, not weighing the food, and that even though they claim to exercise, it's always "CICO". Huh? Is not burning calories by exercising calories out?
How can you say that you don't have to burn calories to have the CO part of CICO? Do you think it happens when we just lay around on the sofa watching television? EXERCISE burns calories and is part of the CALORIES OUT! Whoever is guilty, stop saying that exercise doesn't contribute, because it does. To those who cannot exercise for health reasons, I am not talking about you, even though I have a friend here who has everything against her yet she is still excelling.
Okay, off my soapbox.
And yet, how many times has it turned out the OP isn't recording food consistently, doesn't use a food scale and most times eyeballs things, or/and it turns out they've been logging exaggerated burns? Almost always..if not just...always.
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So what are you saying?
If someone says they are eating 2,000 and burning 4,000, and not losing, we should assume those numbers are valid?
Because usually the answer is that they are over-estimating their burn or under-estimating their intake - - or both.
This has nothing to do with saying exercise doesn't count.
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LiftAllThePizzas wrote: »When determining how much of a deficit is ideal for fat loss, exercise has absolutely nothing to do with that number.
Who mentioned the ideal rate for fat loss?
Who said exercise was part of that?
How your deficit is composed is influenced by calories burned though.
Perhaps you could enlighten us as to what the OP was actually talking about, since you've suggested you know.0 -
nannersp61 wrote: »I want to add a point about calories in. A few weeks ago I noticed I was not losing weight. I was eating between 1200 to 1500 a day and exercising 1 1/2 hours to 2 hours every day. Averaging 10,000 to 12,000 steps a day. I talked to my health coach about it. She suggested that because of all the exercise I was doing that I was not eating enough food. Specifically, I needed to double my protein intake, up my carbs and watch my sodium to keep it under 2200 a day. I did that and lo and behold, the pounds began coming off, easily! I am no longer having rebound weight gain after a loss. So, consider the kinds of foods you are eating and the effect exercise is having on your body. Sometimes exercising for more than two hours begins to tell your body that you are in starvation mode so it shuts off your metabolism and holds back on releasing fat. Eat more of the right kinds of food and you will begin to see progress again.
The bold part is a myth.
I'll be when you started eating more to match your, for lack of a better word, exercise, your energy level picked up and you were able to put more energy into your exercise, thus bringing a calorie deficit back into play.
It's still calories in/calories out.
And reducing sodium can alter scale weight as well.0 -
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LiftAllThePizzas wrote: »When determining how much of a deficit is ideal for fat loss, exercise has absolutely nothing to do with that number.
Who mentioned the ideal rate for fat loss?
Who said exercise was part of that?
How your deficit is composed is influenced by calories burned though.
Also can you explain how one composes a deficit?0 -
LiftAllThePizzas wrote: »LiftAllThePizzas wrote: »When determining how much of a deficit is ideal for fat loss, exercise has absolutely nothing to do with that number.
Who mentioned the ideal rate for fat loss?
Who said exercise was part of that?
How your deficit is composed is influenced by calories burned though.
Perhaps you could enlighten us as to what the OP was actually talking about, since you've suggested you know.
My questions were in response to your statement.
Actually if you read what I havewritten, then I made an attempt to interpret what the person was trying to say, but gave her too much credit and its not clear what the OP is trying to say. She talks about a 4000 burn I thought as a mock example but people seem to suggest she was being serious.0 -
LiftAllThePizzas wrote: »LiftAllThePizzas wrote: »When determining how much of a deficit is ideal for fat loss, exercise has absolutely nothing to do with that number.
Who mentioned the ideal rate for fat loss?
Who said exercise was part of that?
How your deficit is composed is influenced by calories burned though.
Perhaps you could enlighten us as to what the OP was actually talking about, since you've suggested you know.
My questions were in response to your statement.
Actually if you read what I havewritten, then I made an attempt to interpret what the person was trying to say, but gave her too much credit and its not clear what the OP is trying to say. She talks about a 4000 burn I thought as a mock example but people seem to suggest she was being serious.
FTR I didn't take her literally but I did use her own numbers to ask a question.
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