Why do so many people ignore calories burned with exercise in CICO?
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I don't understand. .. Are you venting about people eating back the calories they burn exercising and then saying they don't lose weight?
I'm not sure if this is her issue, or if she's annoyed by the idea that exercise is not necessary for weight loss.
I'm also not sure why she cares what other people think and do. She's lost 20 lbs doing what she's doing and thinking what she's thinking. She should just keep doing it and enjoying her success and not let herself be bothered by what other people do.
For what it's worth, I've lost almost 40 lbs doing little to no exercise, but you'll never hear me rant about people who love to work out.
To sum it all up in a single gesture: *shrug*.
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booksandchocolate12 wrote: »I don't understand. .. Are you venting about people eating back the calories they burn exercising and then saying they don't lose weight?
I'm not sure if this is her issue, or if she's annoyed by the idea that exercise is not necessary for weight loss.
I'm also not sure why she cares what other people think and do. She's lost 20 lbs doing what she's doing and thinking what she's thinking. She should just keep doing it and enjoying her success and not let herself be bothered by what other people do.
For what it's worth, I've lost almost 40 lbs doing little to no exercise, but you'll never hear me rant about people who love to work out.
To sum it all up in a single gesture: *shrug*.
Some people are clueless when it comes to health. It's obvious. I suppose certain things should be common sense, but some people think calories are something magical and unpredictable. It is eye rolling, but they are here for a reason and it's better to be patient with these new members.0 -
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Oh dear. This thread continues to get stranger and stranger. Can we have more gifs? Look at this guy burning calories!
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OP you had the problem, that your post was so poorly written that people did not know what you were talking about and you failed to have the good manners to come back and explain whilst people were guessing at what you were trying to say. Apparently your question was answered on the first page.
Nah, it's clearly us.
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mamapeach910 wrote: »Oh dear. This thread continues to get stranger and stranger. Can we have more gifs? Look at this guy burning calories!
Since Easter's coming....
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I used the MFP method (net calorie goal, logged exercise calories, ate them back) to lose my weight initially. Doing it that way helped me to develop good exercise habits, since I was highly motivated to exercise in order to earn more calories to supplement my eating goal! Through using this method, I not only lost 40+ pounds, but I learned to love exercise. That is a definite plus!! This method will work well, as long as you do not include your exercise in your activity level when you initially set your goals. (For instance I set my goal at sedentary because when I am not exercising, I am pretty sedentary. When you add my exercise in, I am lightly to moderately active. But remember, you are manually adding exercise after setting your goal so don't include it in your settings.). This method is also really good if you do not exercise consistently because of schedule, etc. that way you are not overeating on days you do not exercise.
Fast forward 5 years. I now exercise regularly and predictably. I changed my goal to a TDEE goal (total daily energy expenditure). There are several good calculators on websites out there which will help with this. Scoobys workshop and freedieting work well. In Place of a Roadmap group here on MFP has one too. Basically, the premise is to avereage your exercise calories over seven days so you have the same goal every day. This helps if you are not exercising every day, or if you are doing strength training some days (which doesn't burn as many calories). For instance, for me, on running days I burn maybe 300-350 calories in a workout. On lifting days, more like 100-120. On rest days, 0. Total exercise for the week is in the range of 1400-1500 calories, which averages out to around 200 calories a day. So I add 200 to what my sedentary goal is to set a stable goal for all week. The nice thing about this is that I don't have to starve on rest days. For me, I was setting up a bad mental loop of feeling like I could never take a rest day because I couldn't eat as much. That may be okay for short term dieting, but not a good attitude for long term, lifetime maintenance.
Now, I do alter my goal a bit. For instance, if I go for a long run that I know burns more than 40 calories, I will manually add an extra 50-100 calories to my goal for that day by using the "my exercises" tab to create a 45 minute run that burns 50 calories, for example. I know that the other calories for my run are already accounted for. I also "take calories away" from myself by using the quick add option if I am a total lazy but and lie on the couch all day on Saturday or Sunday. This does happen!
I also use a Misfit activity monitor that helps with this. Some folks may want to look into that. It can help you do a better job estimating your TDEE, and then you just take a deficit off that (manually set your goals in settings).
So in summary, net goal and eating back calories is a good method. But so is TDEE minus deficit. Either works. Find what suits your mentality and lifestyle best. And change as needed.
This is not a sprint, folks.0 -
ILiftHeavyAcrylics wrote: »atypicalsmith wrote: »
I think this is what the OP is asking about. Statements similar to this are repeated frequently on mfp. They do give the appearance of ignoring or at least downplaying the CO side of the CICO equation. While you can generally maximize your deficit by decreasing CI, CO matters too. I exercise more because I like to eat more. I'm not willing to cut calories low as some people so I'm willing to exercise more so I can eat more.
Here is the answer to my original question. Thank you, Jemhh!
Oh I see! That is not even close to how I interpreted the OP. Well done, Jemhh, you get a sticker. :laugh:
Winner winner chicken dinner!
Mmm, fried chicken.
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@tigerblu, love your post, especially your experience of changing over to the TDEE method.I used the MFP method (net calorie goal, logged exercise calories, ate them back) to lose my weight initially. Doing it that way helped me to develop good exercise habits, since I was highly motivated to exercise in order to earn more calories to supplement my eating goal! Through using this method, I not only lost 40+ pounds, but I learned to love exercise. That is a definite plus!! This method will work well, as long as you do not include your exercise in your activity level when you initially set your goals. (For instance I set my goal at sedentary because when I am not exercising, I am pretty sedentary. When you add my exercise in, I am lightly to moderately active. But remember, you are manually adding exercise after setting your goal so don't include it in your settings.). This method is also really good if you do not exercise consistently because of schedule, etc. that way you are not overeating on days you do not exercise
I work a desk job, weight lift three times a week, run three days a week, and also do the elliptical cross trainer after my run. Throughout my weight loss journey, I would change my cardio up out of pure boredom: maybe do HIIT on weight lifting days instead of a machine, maybe add a short run afterward instead, and I had my activity level set to sedentary. Sometimes I chose not to do anything at all other than weightlifting on those three days of the week. My exercise routine has been varied.
When I was set to sedentary, my weight came off quicker than what I set my goals for even though I was eating my exercise calories back, so I increased it to lightly active. When I reached my goal weight and went to maintenance, weight still would not come off, so I set my activity levels to active.
Bingo! with the active setting. I actually started to maintain.
Oh yes, and this whole time, I was weighing food, ensuring I was using accurate entries, using my heart rate monitor for exercise burns, and eating back most, if not all, my calories.
So, for the last year and some odd months, even though I have a desk job I have been maintaining on the active setting, because of my workouts and because outside of work I am always on the move doing something. I also love walking places, but I never count those as extra because I don't sweat and get my heart rate up.
While the activity levels are a great guideline, I would say that they are not a one-fits-all situation.
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atypicalsmith wrote: »I like how the OP 8th posting in the forum but she won't post in her own thread here.
In this whole thread, there was only one person who actually answered my question, and I can't find it to quote it. It's the premise that people should eat back their exercise calories, which makes perfect sense. In this context, exercise calories would not contribute to CO.
And yes, the 4,000 and 2,000 numbers were wildly exaggerated, although, as another poster said, some people do wildly exaggerate their calories (his example was someone walking up three flights of stairs and deciding that 1,000 calories were burned).
Thanks to the poster who answered my question! Tomorrow I'll try to find it so I can quote it to give you credit.
I am sorry but this makes no sense. If you run an extra mile because you want to burn an extra 200 calories, because you want to have an extra slice of pizza and maintain your deficit, then how is that not CICO…???
You are following the "out" side because calories burned is the out side of CICO. In this example, you are burning more, to consume some more, and stay in a deficit…
this whole thread makes zero sense…..
just because you exercise and then eat all those calories back it does not somehow "ignore" CICO ..
you could reverse this absurdity and say that because over eating cancels out your deficit that you are ignoring CI side and hence CICO ….but that would not be accurate either.0 -
OP you had the problem, that your post was so poorly written that people did not know what you were talking about and you failed to have the good manners to come back and explain whilst people were guessing at what you were trying to say. Apparently your question was answered on the first page.
But it's still totally our fault though. :laugh:0 -
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I wish one could log exercise without MFP automatically adjusting the daily caloric allowance.
YES. Every day I wait to put my workouts in until after I'm done eating so I know I hit my goals. In my opinion the exercise I do in a day is not so I get to eat more that day, but so I get to lose weight faster. I want the exercise to just add on to my calorie deficit not change my goals for the day. I'm glad I'm not the only one
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therooster5 wrote: »I wish one could log exercise without MFP automatically adjusting the daily caloric allowance.
YES. Every day I wait to put my workouts in until after I'm done eating so I know I hit my goals. In my opinion the exercise I do in a day is not so I get to eat more that day, but so I get to lose weight faster. I want the exercise to just add on to my calorie deficit not change my goals for the day. I'm glad I'm not the only one
Just change the calories burned to 1, so simple! That way you can track your time, but not get the added calories.0 -
atypicalsmith wrote: »I don't get it. Writer says, "I'm exercising 4,000 calories a day and eating 2,000 calories but I'm not losing weight" and the answer is almost always CICO.
This should be the end of this post. The answer is ALWAYS CICO. Whoever the writer is is misjudging their calories out or calories in, probably both. Also 4000 calories in a day just from exercise is not possible unless this person just ran a marathon. People, stop overestimating how much you burn. And measure out your meals. Don't think you know what one serving is and can just guess because you will overeat and lose less weight than you want. Stop being lazy and buy measuring cups and a scale. And don't eat something until you know the nutrition facts and serving size.
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