Bread (grain)? bad/good for you? replacing it? question.
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Idk for me , my medication hasn't worked for me, and ive noticed that the less bread ive eaten the less i likely to add easy kgs , and personally my thyroid medication has done nothing for me and only gotten worse, so you´re very lucky @bellaa_x0 , but congrats for loosing weight!
But yea i know bread isn't that unhealthy as i tried to say , i mean there are always healthier choices but just wondering if people have seen differences in removing them. Idk I´m confusing myself a lot haha So i apologize but I appreciate The information from you all!
I too have thyroid problems and always felt run down and achey. Medication alone didn't do much but normalize my levels, I still felt awful. My endo recommended lowering my carb intake from breads, pasta, sweets, etc due to the fact my fasting BG was about 100, giving an indication I may be insulin resistant. So starting 3/18 i limited my intake of carbs from the foods she listed. I tried getting some low carb wraps to still have some bread type item for lunch and after eating one I felt my neck swell up and the side of my face up to and including my ear become numb. I took a benadryl and the swelling subsided. I never noticed an issue with those foods before but since I have not been eating them I have tons more energy and almost 0 pain in my joints and back.
I'm obviously not saying you have the same thing going on, but I didn't notice an issue with it until after I stopped eating it. I'm also much less bloated and down 10 lbs since that drs visit in march.0 -
gparfitt09 wrote: »I personally believe everything is wrong with bread! For instance there's now over 20,000 strands of wheat whereas back in the old times there was only a few. Which is why people are reacting to it poorly, not because they're necessarily "intolerant". There's so many better choices than bread like lentils, quinoa, brown rice, sweet potato, etc! You probably "crave it" because either the bread has some form of sugar in it or some other addictive ingredients (look at the ingredients on the back, you'll be amazed what's in it!). You can substitute this "craving" with complex carbs and fiber. If you're eating 4-5 small meals a day your cravings shouldn't be as bad compared to if you aren't eating routinely throughout the day. Say you have only ate 1 meal and it's the middle of the day or night time and your body is low in calories and really hungry. Low calories=mind and body's way of saying give me the highest calorie food with carbs possible! What is that? BREAD! Or other sweets... It does come down to calories consumed vs calories burned for weight loss. Two slices of bread is a lot of carbs compared to other foods and tend to be over consumed more easily than other foods is probably why you see weight gain with it. Excess carbs is the easiest way to gain weight. Whereas if you eat a cup of lentils it's only 40grams carbs but with 19grams of protein.
With thyroid eating foods high in iodine, zinc, selenium, copper, etc will help. Chia seeds, chorella, vegetables, etc are all examples of good foods to consume for that.
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gparfitt09 wrote: »I personally believe everything is wrong with bread! For instance there's now over 20,000 strands of wheat whereas back in the old times there was only a few. Which is why people are reacting to it poorly, not because they're necessarily "intolerant". There's so many better choices than bread like lentils, quinoa, brown rice, sweet potato, etc! You probably "crave it" because either the bread has some form of sugar in it or some other addictive ingredients (look at the ingredients on the back, you'll be amazed what's in it!). You can substitute this "craving" with complex carbs and fiber. If you're eating 4-5 small meals a day your cravings shouldn't be as bad compared to if you aren't eating routinely throughout the day. Say you have only ate 1 meal and it's the middle of the day or night time and your body is low in calories and really hungry. Low calories=mind and body's way of saying give me the highest calorie food with carbs possible! What is that? BREAD! Or other sweets... It does come down to calories consumed vs calories burned for weight loss. Two slices of bread is a lot of carbs compared to other foods and tend to be over consumed more easily than other foods is probably why you see weight gain with it. Excess carbs is the easiest way to gain weight. Whereas if you eat a cup of lentils it's only 40grams carbs but with 19grams of protein.
With thyroid eating foods high in iodine, zinc, selenium, copper, etc will help. Chia seeds, chorella, vegetables, etc are all examples of good foods to consume for that.
Well that was a whole lot of LOL
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A fledgling eating disorder is a brewing.gparfitt09 wrote: »gparfitt09 wrote: »I personally believe everything is wrong with bread! For instance there's now over 20,000 strands of wheat whereas back in the old times there was only a few. Which is why people are reacting to it poorly, not because they're necessarily "intolerant". There's so many better choices than bread like lentils, quinoa, brown rice, sweet potato, etc! You probably "crave it" because either the bread has some form of sugar in it or some other addictive ingredients (look at the ingredients on the back, you'll be amazed what's in it!). You can substitute this "craving" with complex carbs and fiber. If you're eating 4-5 small meals a day your cravings shouldn't be as bad compared to if you aren't eating routinely throughout the day. Say you have only ate 1 meal and it's the middle of the day or night time and your body is low in calories and really hungry. Low calories=mind and body's way of saying give me the highest calorie food with carbs possible! What is that? BREAD! Or other sweets... It does come down to calories consumed vs calories burned for weight loss. Two slices of bread is a lot of carbs compared to other foods and tend to be over consumed more easily than other foods is probably why you see weight gain with it. Excess carbs is the easiest way to gain weight. Whereas if you eat a cup of lentils it's only 40grams carbs but with 19grams of protein.
With thyroid eating foods high in iodine, zinc, selenium, copper, etc will help. Chia seeds, chorella, vegetables, etc are all examples of good foods to consume for that.
Well that was a whole lot of LOL
I challenge a refute with evidence but I don't see none.
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gparfitt09 wrote: »gparfitt09 wrote: »I personally believe everything is wrong with bread! For instance there's now over 20,000 strands of wheat whereas back in the old times there was only a few. Which is why people are reacting to it poorly, not because they're necessarily "intolerant". There's so many better choices than bread like lentils, quinoa, brown rice, sweet potato, etc! You probably "crave it" because either the bread has some form of sugar in it or some other addictive ingredients (look at the ingredients on the back, you'll be amazed what's in it!). You can substitute this "craving" with complex carbs and fiber. If you're eating 4-5 small meals a day your cravings shouldn't be as bad compared to if you aren't eating routinely throughout the day. Say you have only ate 1 meal and it's the middle of the day or night time and your body is low in calories and really hungry. Low calories=mind and body's way of saying give me the highest calorie food with carbs possible! What is that? BREAD! Or other sweets... It does come down to calories consumed vs calories burned for weight loss. Two slices of bread is a lot of carbs compared to other foods and tend to be over consumed more easily than other foods is probably why you see weight gain with it. Excess carbs is the easiest way to gain weight. Whereas if you eat a cup of lentils it's only 40grams carbs but with 19grams of protein.
With thyroid eating foods high in iodine, zinc, selenium, copper, etc will help. Chia seeds, chorella, vegetables, etc are all examples of good foods to consume for that.
Well that was a whole lot of LOL
I challenge a refute with evidence but I don't see none.
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gparfitt09 wrote: »
I challenge a refute with evidence but I don't see none.
Why would 20,000 strains of wheat increase "intolerance"? Are we growing more" intolerant "to apples due to the multiple varieties as well? What connection do you see between the number of varieties and potential issues?
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Wheat belly, just a guess though.janejellyroll wrote: »gparfitt09 wrote: »
I challenge a refute with evidence but I don't see none.
Why would 20,000 strains of wheat increase "intolerance"? Are we growing more" intolerant "to apples due to the multiple varieties as well? What connection do you see between the number of varieties and potential issues?
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janejellyroll wrote: »gparfitt09 wrote: »
I challenge a refute with evidence but I don't see none.
Why would 20,000 strains of wheat increase "intolerance"? Are we growing more" intolerant "to apples due to the multiple varieties as well? What connection do you see between the number of varieties and potential issues?
Since other people aren't adding anything beneficial to this discussion besides you, I'll answer this. That's a good question. I break it down simply, every carbohydrate gets broken down into glucose. So that means glucose is most easily absorbed in the body. Whereas high fructose corn syrup (bigger longer strand) takes the body a lot more energy to breakdown for virtually the same effect of glucose. Bread is mainly carbohydrates hence getting broken down into glucose eventually. The same applies for the 20,000 different strands of wheat. What's easier to break down, 4 or 20,000 strands? It puts added stress onto the body which is why you might see some people "react to it" because the body is struggling to break down all of the different strands just like the example I used with high fructose corn syrup. Hope that makes sense.0 -
I love bread. It's cheap, tastes great, good with most meals, really just an awesome food.0
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gparfitt09 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »gparfitt09 wrote: »
I challenge a refute with evidence but I don't see none.
Why would 20,000 strains of wheat increase "intolerance"? Are we growing more" intolerant "to apples due to the multiple varieties as well? What connection do you see between the number of varieties and potential issues?
Since other people aren't adding anything beneficial to this discussion besides you, I'll answer this. That's a good question. I break it down simply, every carbohydrate gets broken down into glucose. So that means glucose is most easily absorbed in the body. Whereas high fructose corn syrup (bigger longer strand) takes the body a lot more energy to breakdown for virtually the same effect of glucose. Bread is mainly carbohydrates hence getting broken down into glucose eventually. The same applies for the 20,000 different strands of wheat. What's easier to break down, 4 or 20,000 strands? It puts added stress onto the body which is why you might see some people "react to it" because the body is struggling to break down all of the different strands just like the example I used with high fructose corn syrup. Hope that makes sense.
OR we burn even more calories because the body has to work harder to digest it.
But seriously, can you cite some studies for this claim?0 -
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gparfitt09 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »gparfitt09 wrote: »
I challenge a refute with evidence but I don't see none.
Why would 20,000 strains of wheat increase "intolerance"? Are we growing more" intolerant "to apples due to the multiple varieties as well? What connection do you see between the number of varieties and potential issues?
Since other people aren't adding anything beneficial to this discussion besides you, I'll answer this. That's a good question. I break it down simply, every carbohydrate gets broken down into glucose. So that means glucose is most easily absorbed in the body. Whereas high fructose corn syrup (bigger longer strand) takes the body a lot more energy to breakdown for virtually the same effect of glucose. Bread is mainly carbohydrates hence getting broken down into glucose eventually. The same applies for the 20,000 different strands of wheat. What's easier to break down, 4 or 20,000 strands? It puts added stress onto the body which is why you might see some people "react to it" because the body is struggling to break down all of the different strands just like the example I used with high fructose corn syrup. Hope that makes sense.
Can you please provide the supporting documentation to what you are saying?
What does our body use as it's primary energy source?
Where does fructose get brokeno down and what happens to it after it does?
What do quinoa, sweet potatoes and lentils get broken down to?
Yes everyone I will cite evidence. For the claim of 20,000 strands of wheat I need to dig through my articles and find it, I'll post it when I do. The other information I obtained through either the documentary on Netflix forks over knifes or through chemistry, biology, and nutrition classes in college.
Here's a good read for an article right now about wheat: http://authoritynutrition.com/modern-wheat-health-nightmare/
To answer more of your questions this is really simple nutrition. It's okay to ask questions but you should do some research on your own too. The primary source of energy our body uses is carbohydrates, every cycle in our body is ran from or started with glucose (carbs). Then fat if we don't have glucose. Then lastly it will take from proteins if glucose and fats aren't available.
Fructose is metabolized differently, it's much quicker and tends to get metabolized in the liver, flooding metabolic pathways and leads to increase in triglycerides (fat) synthesis and fat storage in the liver.
Quinoa, lentils, sweet potato get broken down into glucose too. However, simple sugars get rushed into the body which spike your blood sugar levels and makes the insulin less resilient after every spike. Like high fructose corn syrup. That's how diabetes gets developed, insulin becomes less and less resilient from blood sugar spikes.
***Im not saying I'm right and everyone else is wrong, this is purely my own obtained information through my years of trying to learn about nutrition***0 -
gparfitt09 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »gparfitt09 wrote: »
I challenge a refute with evidence but I don't see none.
Why would 20,000 strains of wheat increase "intolerance"? Are we growing more" intolerant "to apples due to the multiple varieties as well? What connection do you see between the number of varieties and potential issues?
Since other people aren't adding anything beneficial to this discussion besides you, I'll answer this. That's a good question. I break it down simply, every carbohydrate gets broken down into glucose. So that means glucose is most easily absorbed in the body. Whereas high fructose corn syrup (bigger longer strand) takes the body a lot more energy to breakdown for virtually the same effect of glucose. Bread is mainly carbohydrates hence getting broken down into glucose eventually. The same applies for the 20,000 different strands of wheat. What's easier to break down, 4 or 20,000 strands? It puts added stress onto the body which is why you might see some people "react to it" because the body is struggling to break down all of the different strands just like the example I used with high fructose corn syrup. Hope that makes sense.
One loaf of bread would be made from one variety of wheat, not all alleged 20,000 possible varieties of wheat.
Most bread is high GI which means it turns to glucose quite easily.
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gparfitt09 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »gparfitt09 wrote: »
I challenge a refute with evidence but I don't see none.
Why would 20,000 strains of wheat increase "intolerance"? Are we growing more" intolerant "to apples due to the multiple varieties as well? What connection do you see between the number of varieties and potential issues?
Since other people aren't adding anything beneficial to this discussion besides you, I'll answer this. That's a good question. I break it down simply, every carbohydrate gets broken down into glucose. So that means glucose is most easily absorbed in the body. Whereas high fructose corn syrup (bigger longer strand) takes the body a lot more energy to breakdown for virtually the same effect of glucose. Bread is mainly carbohydrates hence getting broken down into glucose eventually. The same applies for the 20,000 different strands of wheat. What's easier to break down, 4 or 20,000 strands? It puts added stress onto the body which is why you might see some people "react to it" because the body is struggling to break down all of the different strands just like the example I used with high fructose corn syrup. Hope that makes sense.
One loaf of bread would be made from one variety of wheat, not all alleged 20,000 possible varieties of wheat.
Most bread is high GI which means it turns to glucose quite easily.
Strands get developed over a long period of time. It may be one wheat source on the package labeling but not the strands biologically speaking. Yes it does get turned into glucose quickly, although there's so many variables of what brand of bread- what ingredients are, how it's processed, etc that could have other things in it besides wheat.0 -
gparfitt09 wrote: »gparfitt09 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »gparfitt09 wrote: »
I challenge a refute with evidence but I don't see none.
Why would 20,000 strains of wheat increase "intolerance"? Are we growing more" intolerant "to apples due to the multiple varieties as well? What connection do you see between the number of varieties and potential issues?
Since other people aren't adding anything beneficial to this discussion besides you, I'll answer this. That's a good question. I break it down simply, every carbohydrate gets broken down into glucose. So that means glucose is most easily absorbed in the body. Whereas high fructose corn syrup (bigger longer strand) takes the body a lot more energy to breakdown for virtually the same effect of glucose. Bread is mainly carbohydrates hence getting broken down into glucose eventually. The same applies for the 20,000 different strands of wheat. What's easier to break down, 4 or 20,000 strands? It puts added stress onto the body which is why you might see some people "react to it" because the body is struggling to break down all of the different strands just like the example I used with high fructose corn syrup. Hope that makes sense.
Can you please provide the supporting documentation to what you are saying?
What does our body use as it's primary energy source?
Where does fructose get brokeno down and what happens to it after it does?
What do quinoa, sweet potatoes and lentils get broken down to?
Yes everyone I will cite evidence. For the claim of 20,000 strands of wheat I need to dig through my articles and find it, I'll post it when I do. The other information I obtained through either the documentary on Netflix forks over knifes or through chemistry, biology, and nutrition classes in college.
Here's a good read for an article right now about wheat: http://authoritynutrition.com/modern-wheat-health-nightmare/
To answer more of your questions this is really simple nutrition. It's okay to ask questions but you should do some research on your own too. The primary source of energy our body uses is carbohydrates, every cycle in our body is ran from or started with glucose (carbs). Then fat if we don't have glucose. Then lastly it will take from proteins if glucose and fats aren't available.
Fructose is metabolized differently, it's much quicker and tends to get metabolized in the liver, flooding metabolic pathways and leads to increase in triglycerides (fat) synthesis and fat storage in the liver.
Quinoa, lentils, sweet potato get broken down into glucose too. However, simple sugars get rushed into the body which spike your blood sugar levels and makes the insulin less resilient after every spike. Like high fructose corn syrup. That's how diabetes gets developed, insulin becomes less and less resilient from blood sugar spikes.
***Im not saying I'm right and everyone else is wrong, this is purely my own obtained information through my years of trying to learn about nutrition***
All I will say is that it looks like your sources are biased. This is why I asked for sources, not because I’m incapable of using Google Scholar - which, by the way, is what I’d recommend for your research.
Wheat is fine. Not a thing wrong with it as part of a good balanced diet. IIFYM etc.0 -
gparfitt09 wrote: »gparfitt09 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »gparfitt09 wrote: »
I challenge a refute with evidence but I don't see none.
Why would 20,000 strains of wheat increase "intolerance"? Are we growing more" intolerant "to apples due to the multiple varieties as well? What connection do you see between the number of varieties and potential issues?
Since other people aren't adding anything beneficial to this discussion besides you, I'll answer this. That's a good question. I break it down simply, every carbohydrate gets broken down into glucose. So that means glucose is most easily absorbed in the body. Whereas high fructose corn syrup (bigger longer strand) takes the body a lot more energy to breakdown for virtually the same effect of glucose. Bread is mainly carbohydrates hence getting broken down into glucose eventually. The same applies for the 20,000 different strands of wheat. What's easier to break down, 4 or 20,000 strands? It puts added stress onto the body which is why you might see some people "react to it" because the body is struggling to break down all of the different strands just like the example I used with high fructose corn syrup. Hope that makes sense.
Can you please provide the supporting documentation to what you are saying?
What does our body use as it's primary energy source?
Where does fructose get brokeno down and what happens to it after it does?
What do quinoa, sweet potatoes and lentils get broken down to?
Yes everyone I will cite evidence. For the claim of 20,000 strands of wheat I need to dig through my articles and find it, I'll post it when I do. The other information I obtained through either the documentary on Netflix forks over knifes or through chemistry, biology, and nutrition classes in college.
Here's a good read for an article right now about wheat: http://authoritynutrition.com/modern-wheat-health-nightmare/
To answer more of your questions this is really simple nutrition. It's okay to ask questions but you should do some research on your own too. The primary source of energy our body uses is carbohydrates, every cycle in our body is ran from or started with glucose (carbs). Then fat if we don't have glucose. Then lastly it will take from proteins if glucose and fats aren't available.
Fructose is metabolized differently, it's much quicker and tends to get metabolized in the liver, flooding metabolic pathways and leads to increase in triglycerides (fat) synthesis and fat storage in the liver.
Quinoa, lentils, sweet potato get broken down into glucose too. However, simple sugars get rushed into the body which spike your blood sugar levels and makes the insulin less resilient after every spike. Like high fructose corn syrup. That's how diabetes gets developed, insulin becomes less and less resilient from blood sugar spikes.
***Im not saying I'm right and everyone else is wrong, this is purely my own obtained information through my years of trying to learn about nutrition***
All I will say is that it looks like your sources are biased. This is why I asked for sources, not because I’m incapable of using Google Scholar - which, by the way, is what I’d recommend for your research.
Wheat is fine. Not a thing wrong with it as part of a good balanced diet. IIFYM etc.
This is a whole other topic. Peer reviewed evidence isn't going to be supplied by this because all the bread companies would be out of business then. Every main study is ran and regulated through the corporations that have the most money. They regulate what's published. Most people that are getting upset or confused by my statements just don't want to hear it because who would want to believe that's what's happening to our foods that we consume everyday. For the people that do read this and don't reply, look into it. Challenge yourself to learn. You'll be amazed.0 -
No, not really. What is a strand?gparfitt09 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »gparfitt09 wrote: »
I challenge a refute with evidence but I don't see none.
Why would 20,000 strains of wheat increase "intolerance"? Are we growing more" intolerant "to apples due to the multiple varieties as well? What connection do you see between the number of varieties and potential issues?
Since other people aren't adding anything beneficial to this discussion besides you, I'll answer this. That's a good question. I break it down simply, every carbohydrate gets broken down into glucose. So that means glucose is most easily absorbed in the body. Whereas high fructose corn syrup (bigger longer strand) takes the body a lot more energy to breakdown for virtually the same effect of glucose. Bread is mainly carbohydrates hence getting broken down into glucose eventually. The same applies for the 20,000 different strands of wheat. What's easier to break down, 4 or 20,000 strands? It puts added stress onto the body which is why you might see some people "react to it" because the body is struggling to break down all of the different strands just like the example I used with high fructose corn syrup. Hope that makes sense.
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gparfitt09 wrote: »gparfitt09 wrote: »gparfitt09 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »gparfitt09 wrote: »
I challenge a refute with evidence but I don't see none.
Why would 20,000 strains of wheat increase "intolerance"? Are we growing more" intolerant "to apples due to the multiple varieties as well? What connection do you see between the number of varieties and potential issues?
Since other people aren't adding anything beneficial to this discussion besides you, I'll answer this. That's a good question. I break it down simply, every carbohydrate gets broken down into glucose. So that means glucose is most easily absorbed in the body. Whereas high fructose corn syrup (bigger longer strand) takes the body a lot more energy to breakdown for virtually the same effect of glucose. Bread is mainly carbohydrates hence getting broken down into glucose eventually. The same applies for the 20,000 different strands of wheat. What's easier to break down, 4 or 20,000 strands? It puts added stress onto the body which is why you might see some people "react to it" because the body is struggling to break down all of the different strands just like the example I used with high fructose corn syrup. Hope that makes sense.
Can you please provide the supporting documentation to what you are saying?
What does our body use as it's primary energy source?
Where does fructose get brokeno down and what happens to it after it does?
What do quinoa, sweet potatoes and lentils get broken down to?
Yes everyone I will cite evidence. For the claim of 20,000 strands of wheat I need to dig through my articles and find it, I'll post it when I do. The other information I obtained through either the documentary on Netflix forks over knifes or through chemistry, biology, and nutrition classes in college.
Here's a good read for an article right now about wheat: http://authoritynutrition.com/modern-wheat-health-nightmare/
To answer more of your questions this is really simple nutrition. It's okay to ask questions but you should do some research on your own too. The primary source of energy our body uses is carbohydrates, every cycle in our body is ran from or started with glucose (carbs). Then fat if we don't have glucose. Then lastly it will take from proteins if glucose and fats aren't available.
Fructose is metabolized differently, it's much quicker and tends to get metabolized in the liver, flooding metabolic pathways and leads to increase in triglycerides (fat) synthesis and fat storage in the liver.
Quinoa, lentils, sweet potato get broken down into glucose too. However, simple sugars get rushed into the body which spike your blood sugar levels and makes the insulin less resilient after every spike. Like high fructose corn syrup. That's how diabetes gets developed, insulin becomes less and less resilient from blood sugar spikes.
***Im not saying I'm right and everyone else is wrong, this is purely my own obtained information through my years of trying to learn about nutrition***
All I will say is that it looks like your sources are biased. This is why I asked for sources, not because I’m incapable of using Google Scholar - which, by the way, is what I’d recommend for your research.
Wheat is fine. Not a thing wrong with it as part of a good balanced diet. IIFYM etc.
This is a whole other topic. Peer reviewed evidence isn't going to be supplied by this because all the bread companies would be out of business then. Every main study is ran and regulated through the corporations that have the most money. They regulate what's published. Most people that are getting upset or confused by my statements just don't want to hear it because who would want to believe that's what's happening to our foods that we consume everyday. For the people that do read this and don't reply, look into it. Challenge yourself to learn. You'll be amazed.
As an econometrician, I’ll have to disagree with your view of how studies are or aren't conducted - and believe me, I’m skeptical about most of them. But there’s nothing I can say that will change your mind, so I won’t try. I wish you luck in your journey of self-education and just hope you’ll keep as open of a mind as you advocate to others.
P.S. I’ve challenged myself to learn plenty. Just because people don’t agree with you does not mean they’re not educated on the topic.0 -
So now we arrived at the tinfoil stage of these kinds of discussions.gparfitt09 wrote: »gparfitt09 wrote: »gparfitt09 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »gparfitt09 wrote: »
I challenge a refute with evidence but I don't see none.
Why would 20,000 strains of wheat increase "intolerance"? Are we growing more" intolerant "to apples due to the multiple varieties as well? What connection do you see between the number of varieties and potential issues?
Since other people aren't adding anything beneficial to this discussion besides you, I'll answer this. That's a good question. I break it down simply, every carbohydrate gets broken down into glucose. So that means glucose is most easily absorbed in the body. Whereas high fructose corn syrup (bigger longer strand) takes the body a lot more energy to breakdown for virtually the same effect of glucose. Bread is mainly carbohydrates hence getting broken down into glucose eventually. The same applies for the 20,000 different strands of wheat. What's easier to break down, 4 or 20,000 strands? It puts added stress onto the body which is why you might see some people "react to it" because the body is struggling to break down all of the different strands just like the example I used with high fructose corn syrup. Hope that makes sense.
Can you please provide the supporting documentation to what you are saying?
What does our body use as it's primary energy source?
Where does fructose get brokeno down and what happens to it after it does?
What do quinoa, sweet potatoes and lentils get broken down to?
Yes everyone I will cite evidence. For the claim of 20,000 strands of wheat I need to dig through my articles and find it, I'll post it when I do. The other information I obtained through either the documentary on Netflix forks over knifes or through chemistry, biology, and nutrition classes in college.
Here's a good read for an article right now about wheat: http://authoritynutrition.com/modern-wheat-health-nightmare/
To answer more of your questions this is really simple nutrition. It's okay to ask questions but you should do some research on your own too. The primary source of energy our body uses is carbohydrates, every cycle in our body is ran from or started with glucose (carbs). Then fat if we don't have glucose. Then lastly it will take from proteins if glucose and fats aren't available.
Fructose is metabolized differently, it's much quicker and tends to get metabolized in the liver, flooding metabolic pathways and leads to increase in triglycerides (fat) synthesis and fat storage in the liver.
Quinoa, lentils, sweet potato get broken down into glucose too. However, simple sugars get rushed into the body which spike your blood sugar levels and makes the insulin less resilient after every spike. Like high fructose corn syrup. That's how diabetes gets developed, insulin becomes less and less resilient from blood sugar spikes.
***Im not saying I'm right and everyone else is wrong, this is purely my own obtained information through my years of trying to learn about nutrition***
All I will say is that it looks like your sources are biased. This is why I asked for sources, not because I’m incapable of using Google Scholar - which, by the way, is what I’d recommend for your research.
Wheat is fine. Not a thing wrong with it as part of a good balanced diet. IIFYM etc.
This is a whole other topic. Peer reviewed evidence isn't going to be supplied by this because all the bread companies would be out of business then. Every main study is ran and regulated through the corporations that have the most money. They regulate what's published. Most people that are getting upset or confused by my statements just don't want to hear it because who would want to believe that's what's happening to our foods that we consume everyday. For the people that do read this and don't reply, look into it. Challenge yourself to learn. You'll be amazed.
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So now we arrived at the tinfoil stage of these kinds of discussions.gparfitt09 wrote: »gparfitt09 wrote: »gparfitt09 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »gparfitt09 wrote: »
I challenge a refute with evidence but I don't see none.
Why would 20,000 strains of wheat increase "intolerance"? Are we growing more" intolerant "to apples due to the multiple varieties as well? What connection do you see between the number of varieties and potential issues?
Since other people aren't adding anything beneficial to this discussion besides you, I'll answer this. That's a good question. I break it down simply, every carbohydrate gets broken down into glucose. So that means glucose is most easily absorbed in the body. Whereas high fructose corn syrup (bigger longer strand) takes the body a lot more energy to breakdown for virtually the same effect of glucose. Bread is mainly carbohydrates hence getting broken down into glucose eventually. The same applies for the 20,000 different strands of wheat. What's easier to break down, 4 or 20,000 strands? It puts added stress onto the body which is why you might see some people "react to it" because the body is struggling to break down all of the different strands just like the example I used with high fructose corn syrup. Hope that makes sense.
Can you please provide the supporting documentation to what you are saying?
What does our body use as it's primary energy source?
Where does fructose get brokeno down and what happens to it after it does?
What do quinoa, sweet potatoes and lentils get broken down to?
Yes everyone I will cite evidence. For the claim of 20,000 strands of wheat I need to dig through my articles and find it, I'll post it when I do. The other information I obtained through either the documentary on Netflix forks over knifes or through chemistry, biology, and nutrition classes in college.
Here's a good read for an article right now about wheat: http://authoritynutrition.com/modern-wheat-health-nightmare/
To answer more of your questions this is really simple nutrition. It's okay to ask questions but you should do some research on your own too. The primary source of energy our body uses is carbohydrates, every cycle in our body is ran from or started with glucose (carbs). Then fat if we don't have glucose. Then lastly it will take from proteins if glucose and fats aren't available.
Fructose is metabolized differently, it's much quicker and tends to get metabolized in the liver, flooding metabolic pathways and leads to increase in triglycerides (fat) synthesis and fat storage in the liver.
Quinoa, lentils, sweet potato get broken down into glucose too. However, simple sugars get rushed into the body which spike your blood sugar levels and makes the insulin less resilient after every spike. Like high fructose corn syrup. That's how diabetes gets developed, insulin becomes less and less resilient from blood sugar spikes.
***Im not saying I'm right and everyone else is wrong, this is purely my own obtained information through my years of trying to learn about nutrition***
All I will say is that it looks like your sources are biased. This is why I asked for sources, not because I’m incapable of using Google Scholar - which, by the way, is what I’d recommend for your research.
Wheat is fine. Not a thing wrong with it as part of a good balanced diet. IIFYM etc.
This is a whole other topic. Peer reviewed evidence isn't going to be supplied by this because all the bread companies would be out of business then. Every main study is ran and regulated through the corporations that have the most money. They regulate what's published. Most people that are getting upset or confused by my statements just don't want to hear it because who would want to believe that's what's happening to our foods that we consume everyday. For the people that do read this and don't reply, look into it. Challenge yourself to learn. You'll be amazed.
At least we recognize a lost cause when we see one?0 -
gparfitt09 wrote: »gparfitt09 wrote: »gparfitt09 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »gparfitt09 wrote: »
I challenge a refute with evidence but I don't see none.
Why would 20,000 strains of wheat increase "intolerance"? Are we growing more" intolerant "to apples due to the multiple varieties as well? What connection do you see between the number of varieties and potential issues?
Since other people aren't adding anything beneficial to this discussion besides you, I'll answer this. That's a good question. I break it down simply, every carbohydrate gets broken down into glucose. So that means glucose is most easily absorbed in the body. Whereas high fructose corn syrup (bigger longer strand) takes the body a lot more energy to breakdown for virtually the same effect of glucose. Bread is mainly carbohydrates hence getting broken down into glucose eventually. The same applies for the 20,000 different strands of wheat. What's easier to break down, 4 or 20,000 strands? It puts added stress onto the body which is why you might see some people "react to it" because the body is struggling to break down all of the different strands just like the example I used with high fructose corn syrup. Hope that makes sense.
Can you please provide the supporting documentation to what you are saying?
What does our body use as it's primary energy source?
Where does fructose get brokeno down and what happens to it after it does?
What do quinoa, sweet potatoes and lentils get broken down to?
Yes everyone I will cite evidence. For the claim of 20,000 strands of wheat I need to dig through my articles and find it, I'll post it when I do. The other information I obtained through either the documentary on Netflix forks over knifes or through chemistry, biology, and nutrition classes in college.
Here's a good read for an article right now about wheat: http://authoritynutrition.com/modern-wheat-health-nightmare/
To answer more of your questions this is really simple nutrition. It's okay to ask questions but you should do some research on your own too. The primary source of energy our body uses is carbohydrates, every cycle in our body is ran from or started with glucose (carbs). Then fat if we don't have glucose. Then lastly it will take from proteins if glucose and fats aren't available.
Fructose is metabolized differently, it's much quicker and tends to get metabolized in the liver, flooding metabolic pathways and leads to increase in triglycerides (fat) synthesis and fat storage in the liver.
Quinoa, lentils, sweet potato get broken down into glucose too. However, simple sugars get rushed into the body which spike your blood sugar levels and makes the insulin less resilient after every spike. Like high fructose corn syrup. That's how diabetes gets developed, insulin becomes less and less resilient from blood sugar spikes.
***Im not saying I'm right and everyone else is wrong, this is purely my own obtained information through my years of trying to learn about nutrition***
All I will say is that it looks like your sources are biased. This is why I asked for sources, not because I’m incapable of using Google Scholar - which, by the way, is what I’d recommend for your research.
Wheat is fine. Not a thing wrong with it as part of a good balanced diet. IIFYM etc.
This is a whole other topic. Peer reviewed evidence isn't going to be supplied by this because all the bread companies would be out of business then. Every main study is ran and regulated through the corporations that have the most money. They regulate what's published. Most people that are getting upset or confused by my statements just don't want to hear it because who would want to believe that's what's happening to our foods that we consume everyday. For the people that do read this and don't reply, look into it. Challenge yourself to learn. You'll be amazed.
As an econometrician, I’ll have to disagree with your view of how studies are or aren't conducted - and believe me, I’m skeptical about most of them. But there’s nothing I can say that will change your mind, so I won’t try. I wish you luck in your journey of self-education and just hope you’ll keep as open of a mind as you advocate to others.
P.S. I’ve challenged myself to learn plenty. Just because people don’t agree with you does not mean they’re not educated on the topic.
I never said you weren't educated. I respect peoples words and thoughts, I encourage them. You were asking questions so I was trying to answer to the best of my abilities. If someone is eating wheat bread and feels fantastic, then keep doing it. but the majority of people that's not the case, which is why we're all here to some extent trying to better our lives. Best of luck to you as well.0 -
I don't really eat bread much. I always have oatmeal in the morning and for dinner I'll have my starch with brown rice or sweet potato etc. so that leaves lunch and I'm not really a sandwich person. I'd rather have a salad with chicken, shrimp or tuna on it or some homemade soup.0
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gparfitt09 wrote: »gparfitt09 wrote: »gparfitt09 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »gparfitt09 wrote: »
I challenge a refute with evidence but I don't see none.
Why would 20,000 strains of wheat increase "intolerance"? Are we growing more" intolerant "to apples due to the multiple varieties as well? What connection do you see between the number of varieties and potential issues?
Since other people aren't adding anything beneficial to this discussion besides you, I'll answer this. That's a good question. I break it down simply, every carbohydrate gets broken down into glucose. So that means glucose is most easily absorbed in the body. Whereas high fructose corn syrup (bigger longer strand) takes the body a lot more energy to breakdown for virtually the same effect of glucose. Bread is mainly carbohydrates hence getting broken down into glucose eventually. The same applies for the 20,000 different strands of wheat. What's easier to break down, 4 or 20,000 strands? It puts added stress onto the body which is why you might see some people "react to it" because the body is struggling to break down all of the different strands just like the example I used with high fructose corn syrup. Hope that makes sense.
Can you please provide the supporting documentation to what you are saying?
What does our body use as it's primary energy source?
Where does fructose get brokeno down and what happens to it after it does?
What do quinoa, sweet potatoes and lentils get broken down to?
Yes everyone I will cite evidence. For the claim of 20,000 strands of wheat I need to dig through my articles and find it, I'll post it when I do. The other information I obtained through either the documentary on Netflix forks over knifes or through chemistry, biology, and nutrition classes in college.
Here's a good read for an article right now about wheat: http://authoritynutrition.com/modern-wheat-health-nightmare/
To answer more of your questions this is really simple nutrition. It's okay to ask questions but you should do some research on your own too. The primary source of energy our body uses is carbohydrates, every cycle in our body is ran from or started with glucose (carbs). Then fat if we don't have glucose. Then lastly it will take from proteins if glucose and fats aren't available.
Fructose is metabolized differently, it's much quicker and tends to get metabolized in the liver, flooding metabolic pathways and leads to increase in triglycerides (fat) synthesis and fat storage in the liver.
Quinoa, lentils, sweet potato get broken down into glucose too. However, simple sugars get rushed into the body which spike your blood sugar levels and makes the insulin less resilient after every spike. Like high fructose corn syrup. That's how diabetes gets developed, insulin becomes less and less resilient from blood sugar spikes.
***Im not saying I'm right and everyone else is wrong, this is purely my own obtained information through my years of trying to learn about nutrition***
All I will say is that it looks like your sources are biased. This is why I asked for sources, not because I’m incapable of using Google Scholar - which, by the way, is what I’d recommend for your research.
Wheat is fine. Not a thing wrong with it as part of a good balanced diet. IIFYM etc.
This is a whole other topic. Peer reviewed evidence isn't going to be supplied by this because all the bread companies would be out of business then. Every main study is ran and regulated through the corporations that have the most money. They regulate what's published. Most people that are getting upset or confused by my statements just don't want to hear it because who would want to believe that's what's happening to our foods that we consume everyday. For the people that do read this and don't reply, look into it. Challenge yourself to learn. You'll be amazed.
It is a wonder that the grain debate has even gotten this far in this country. The industry has vast resources to push their agenda. It likely reaches into the gluten free market as more and more people are developing intolerances to gf products as well.
I don't think anyone will ever know the whole truth as to what goes on, in this age of information overload, what of it can you trust.
I've come to the conclusion that each individual needs to find what works best for them. Which can be difficult in a forum such as this when so many only want to tell you you're wrong.0 -
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So now we arrived at the tinfoil stage of these kinds of discussions.gparfitt09 wrote: »gparfitt09 wrote: »gparfitt09 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »gparfitt09 wrote: »
I challenge a refute with evidence but I don't see none.
Why would 20,000 strains of wheat increase "intolerance"? Are we growing more" intolerant "to apples due to the multiple varieties as well? What connection do you see between the number of varieties and potential issues?
Since other people aren't adding anything beneficial to this discussion besides you, I'll answer this. That's a good question. I break it down simply, every carbohydrate gets broken down into glucose. So that means glucose is most easily absorbed in the body. Whereas high fructose corn syrup (bigger longer strand) takes the body a lot more energy to breakdown for virtually the same effect of glucose. Bread is mainly carbohydrates hence getting broken down into glucose eventually. The same applies for the 20,000 different strands of wheat. What's easier to break down, 4 or 20,000 strands? It puts added stress onto the body which is why you might see some people "react to it" because the body is struggling to break down all of the different strands just like the example I used with high fructose corn syrup. Hope that makes sense.
Can you please provide the supporting documentation to what you are saying?
What does our body use as it's primary energy source?
Where does fructose get brokeno down and what happens to it after it does?
What do quinoa, sweet potatoes and lentils get broken down to?
Yes everyone I will cite evidence. For the claim of 20,000 strands of wheat I need to dig through my articles and find it, I'll post it when I do. The other information I obtained through either the documentary on Netflix forks over knifes or through chemistry, biology, and nutrition classes in college.
Here's a good read for an article right now about wheat: http://authoritynutrition.com/modern-wheat-health-nightmare/
To answer more of your questions this is really simple nutrition. It's okay to ask questions but you should do some research on your own too. The primary source of energy our body uses is carbohydrates, every cycle in our body is ran from or started with glucose (carbs). Then fat if we don't have glucose. Then lastly it will take from proteins if glucose and fats aren't available.
Fructose is metabolized differently, it's much quicker and tends to get metabolized in the liver, flooding metabolic pathways and leads to increase in triglycerides (fat) synthesis and fat storage in the liver.
Quinoa, lentils, sweet potato get broken down into glucose too. However, simple sugars get rushed into the body which spike your blood sugar levels and makes the insulin less resilient after every spike. Like high fructose corn syrup. That's how diabetes gets developed, insulin becomes less and less resilient from blood sugar spikes.
***Im not saying I'm right and everyone else is wrong, this is purely my own obtained information through my years of trying to learn about nutrition***
All I will say is that it looks like your sources are biased. This is why I asked for sources, not because I’m incapable of using Google Scholar - which, by the way, is what I’d recommend for your research.
Wheat is fine. Not a thing wrong with it as part of a good balanced diet. IIFYM etc.
This is a whole other topic. Peer reviewed evidence isn't going to be supplied by this because all the bread companies would be out of business then. Every main study is ran and regulated through the corporations that have the most money. They regulate what's published. Most people that are getting upset or confused by my statements just don't want to hear it because who would want to believe that's what's happening to our foods that we consume everyday. For the people that do read this and don't reply, look into it. Challenge yourself to learn. You'll be amazed.
Dammit, that's what I was going to say!!0 -
The possibilities for a new book "Wheat Brain" is looking promising.0
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gparfitt09 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »gparfitt09 wrote: »
I challenge a refute with evidence but I don't see none.
Why would 20,000 strains of wheat increase "intolerance"? Are we growing more" intolerant "to apples due to the multiple varieties as well? What connection do you see between the number of varieties and potential issues?
Since other people aren't adding anything beneficial to this discussion besides you, I'll answer this. That's a good question. I break it down simply, every carbohydrate gets broken down into glucose. So that means glucose is most easily absorbed in the body. Whereas high fructose corn syrup (bigger longer strand) takes the body a lot more energy to breakdown for virtually the same effect of glucose. Bread is mainly carbohydrates hence getting broken down into glucose eventually. The same applies for the 20,000 different strands of wheat. What's easier to break down, 4 or 20,000 strands? It puts added stress onto the body which is why you might see some people "react to it" because the body is struggling to break down all of the different strands just like the example I used with high fructose corn syrup. Hope that makes sense.
I didn't understand anything in this post. What is a "strand" of wheat? Not sure how HFCS got into the discussion - it is 100% carbohydrate. Who food has 4 "strands" of wheat?
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gparfitt09 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »gparfitt09 wrote: »
I challenge a refute with evidence but I don't see none.
Why would 20,000 strains of wheat increase "intolerance"? Are we growing more" intolerant "to apples due to the multiple varieties as well? What connection do you see between the number of varieties and potential issues?
Since other people aren't adding anything beneficial to this discussion besides you, I'll answer this. That's a good question. I break it down simply, every carbohydrate gets broken down into glucose. So that means glucose is most easily absorbed in the body. Whereas high fructose corn syrup (bigger longer strand) takes the body a lot more energy to breakdown for virtually the same effect of glucose. Bread is mainly carbohydrates hence getting broken down into glucose eventually. The same applies for the 20,000 different strands of wheat. What's easier to break down, 4 or 20,000 strands? It puts added stress onto the body which is why you might see some people "react to it" because the body is struggling to break down all of the different strands just like the example I used with high fructose corn syrup. Hope that makes sense.
I didn't understand anything in this post. What is a "strand" of wheat? Not sure how HFCS got into the discussion - it is 100% carbohydrate. Who food has 4 "strands" of wheat?
I think he is referring to different varieties. But who knows, cos that post make zero sense even if he does mean varieties.0 -
Nony_Mouse wrote: »gparfitt09 wrote: »janejellyroll wrote: »gparfitt09 wrote: »
I challenge a refute with evidence but I don't see none.
Why would 20,000 strains of wheat increase "intolerance"? Are we growing more" intolerant "to apples due to the multiple varieties as well? What connection do you see between the number of varieties and potential issues?
Since other people aren't adding anything beneficial to this discussion besides you, I'll answer this. That's a good question. I break it down simply, every carbohydrate gets broken down into glucose. So that means glucose is most easily absorbed in the body. Whereas high fructose corn syrup (bigger longer strand) takes the body a lot more energy to breakdown for virtually the same effect of glucose. Bread is mainly carbohydrates hence getting broken down into glucose eventually. The same applies for the 20,000 different strands of wheat. What's easier to break down, 4 or 20,000 strands? It puts added stress onto the body which is why you might see some people "react to it" because the body is struggling to break down all of the different strands just like the example I used with high fructose corn syrup. Hope that makes sense.
I didn't understand anything in this post. What is a "strand" of wheat? Not sure how HFCS got into the discussion - it is 100% carbohydrate. Who food has 4 "strands" of wheat?
I think he is referring to different varieties. But who knows, cos that post make zero sense even if he does mean varieties.
That occurred to me, but I've never heard of a slice of bread containing 20,000 varieties of wheat (or any other grain).0
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