Does ~1600 sound reasonable for a 180lb woman trying to lose weight
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meghanduprey wrote: »
.sleeplessinsparks wrote:Is your body changing? Have you taken body measurements? I haven't lost
much weight lately, but I've still lost inches. If you are adding a lot of muscle that could account for
at least part of your lack of weight loss.
While you're both right, you're also both wrong.relic61 wrote:The reason why the scale isn't moving is because your (sic) adding new muscle. Muscle is more dense
Yes, people should be taking measurements every few weeks (I do mine every 2 weeks),
and yes, someone could be losing inches while not losing weight because their fat is shrinking away
while they're retaining or possibly gaining some muscle,
and yes, muscle is more dense than fat. For the same _volume_, muscle weighs more. For the same
_weight_, muscle takes up less space.
But it's _highly_ unlikely that the OP is in that group because she's said nothing about her exercise
which leads us to believe that she's doing weightlifting, let alone regular, progressively more
difficult / heavy lifting, which is what's needed to gain strength &/or muscle.
Also, it's difficult for a woman (normal, natural woman with normal hormones) to gain muscle mass.
It won't happen accidentally, and it won't happen quickly, and it won't happen doing a little cardio.
While eating at a calorie deficit, it's nearly impossible.
Eating at a calorie deficit while not lifting weights? Not gonna happen.
Doing the above with only 30 lb to lose? Definitely not gonna happen.
I've used a calculator which takes into account measurements as well as weight, and it thinks I've
gained (IIRC) 4 lb of muscle while losing over 80 lb of fat. I've been lifting weights all along, so it's
possible I've gained a little muscle in the past 15 months, but more likely it's measurement error &
I've simply maintained. And that's perfectly OK with me!
I do step class 3xs a week and a class called body pump which is weight training to failure (lots of reps) 2-3xs a week plus walking 10k steps a day. there are a lot of posts in here so it probably got lost...
Yeah. It's harder to build muscle. Body pump class is not going to do it. As a 133 lb woman who squats 180 and deadlifts 210 in a deficit, even I can safely say that I haven't gained any muscle. The scale should be moving downward.0 -
When I started earlier this year (January 5th) I weighed 183 lbs. I am 5'3. I started out netting 1700 calories. I weigh all of my foods and I make sure that I pick a reasonable weight loss goal and I pick the right activity level. I am now 169 lbs. I eat about 1600 calories now though.
ok seriously, what is net? does that mean including workout calories?0 -
When I started earlier this year (January 5th) I weighed 183 lbs. I am 5'3. I started out netting 1700 calories. I weigh all of my foods and I make sure that I pick a reasonable weight loss goal and I pick the right activity level. I am now 169 lbs. I eat about 1600 calories now though.
ok seriously, i am not getting what "net" means... does that mean you're eating your workout calories?0 -
arditarose wrote: »meghanduprey wrote: »
.sleeplessinsparks wrote:Is your body changing? Have you taken body measurements? I haven't lost
much weight lately, but I've still lost inches. If you are adding a lot of muscle that could account for
at least part of your lack of weight loss.
While you're both right, you're also both wrong.relic61 wrote:The reason why the scale isn't moving is because your (sic) adding new muscle. Muscle is more dense
Yes, people should be taking measurements every few weeks (I do mine every 2 weeks),
and yes, someone could be losing inches while not losing weight because their fat is shrinking away
while they're retaining or possibly gaining some muscle,
and yes, muscle is more dense than fat. For the same _volume_, muscle weighs more. For the same
_weight_, muscle takes up less space.
But it's _highly_ unlikely that the OP is in that group because she's said nothing about her exercise
which leads us to believe that she's doing weightlifting, let alone regular, progressively more
difficult / heavy lifting, which is what's needed to gain strength &/or muscle.
Also, it's difficult for a woman (normal, natural woman with normal hormones) to gain muscle mass.
It won't happen accidentally, and it won't happen quickly, and it won't happen doing a little cardio.
While eating at a calorie deficit, it's nearly impossible.
Eating at a calorie deficit while not lifting weights? Not gonna happen.
Doing the above with only 30 lb to lose? Definitely not gonna happen.
I've used a calculator which takes into account measurements as well as weight, and it thinks I've
gained (IIRC) 4 lb of muscle while losing over 80 lb of fat. I've been lifting weights all along, so it's
possible I've gained a little muscle in the past 15 months, but more likely it's measurement error &
I've simply maintained. And that's perfectly OK with me!
I do step class 3xs a week and a class called body pump which is weight training to failure (lots of reps) 2-3xs a week plus walking 10k steps a day. there are a lot of posts in here so it probably got lost...
Yeah. It's harder to build muscle. Body pump class is not going to do it. As a 133 lb woman who squats 180 and deadlifts 210 in a deficit, even I can safely say that I haven't gained any muscle. The scale should be moving downward.
that's what i thought
i think the class is strength training/cardio. i do think it helps with body composition but definitely NOT like heavy lifting.0 -
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meghanduprey wrote: »When I started earlier this year (January 5th) I weighed 183 lbs. I am 5'3. I started out netting 1700 calories. I weigh all of my foods and I make sure that I pick a reasonable weight loss goal and I pick the right activity level. I am now 169 lbs. I eat about 1600 calories now though.
ok seriously, i am not getting what "net" means... does that mean you're eating your workout calories?
If you would have bothered to read the post where you asked me that 2 pages ago you would know what it means.
i am trying to keep up with the posts, the only one i remember is the one where you told me if i didn't know what it meant then i was eating too much.0 -
meghanduprey wrote: »When I started earlier this year (January 5th) I weighed 183 lbs. I am 5'3. I started out netting 1700 calories. I weigh all of my foods and I make sure that I pick a reasonable weight loss goal and I pick the right activity level. I am now 169 lbs. I eat about 1600 calories now though.
ok seriously, what is net? does that mean including workout calories?
Yes, it includes workout calories. If you eat 1800 calories, but do 300 calories worth of exercise, you net 1500 calories.
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mamapeach910 wrote: »meghanduprey wrote: »When I started earlier this year (January 5th) I weighed 183 lbs. I am 5'3. I started out netting 1700 calories. I weigh all of my foods and I make sure that I pick a reasonable weight loss goal and I pick the right activity level. I am now 169 lbs. I eat about 1600 calories now though.
ok seriously, what is net? does that mean including workout calories?
Yes, it includes workout calories. If you eat 1800 calories, but do 300 calories worth of exercise, you net 1500 calories.
thank you, that's very confusing
i GET it but i don't if that makes sense.... soooo let me try the math, that means the poster in this quote would really be eating 1700 calories PLUS workout calories? right?
Thank you so much for answering this question without judging.
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meghanduprey wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »meghanduprey wrote: »When I started earlier this year (January 5th) I weighed 183 lbs. I am 5'3. I started out netting 1700 calories. I weigh all of my foods and I make sure that I pick a reasonable weight loss goal and I pick the right activity level. I am now 169 lbs. I eat about 1600 calories now though.
ok seriously, what is net? does that mean including workout calories?
Yes, it includes workout calories. If you eat 1800 calories, but do 300 calories worth of exercise, you net 1500 calories.
thank you, that's very confusing i GET it but i don't if that makes sense.... soooo let me try the math, that means the poster in this quote would really be eating 1700 calories PLUS workout calories? right?
Thank you so much for answering this question without judging.
Yes. She'd be eating more actual calories, but burning some through exercise.
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I am about your age and height and have gone from 190 to 146 in the last six months. I average between 1400-1500 calories/day, my estimated TDEE is 2000, and so far I have been losing about a pound a week. So yes I think 1600/day sounds pretty reasonable, and assuming you are a little more active than me you will probably find you lose about a pound a week without starving for it, which is nice!0
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I am about your age and height and have gone from 190 to 146 in the last six months. I average between 1400-1500 calories/day, my estimated TDEE is 2000, and so far I have been losing about a pound a week. So yes I think 1600/day sounds pretty reasonable, and assuming you are a little more active than me you will probably find you lose about a pound a week without starving for it, which is nice!
what is TDEE? is the 1400-1500 before your exercise calories? congratulations on the weight loss!!!!!0 -
mamapeach910 wrote: »meghanduprey wrote: »mamapeach910 wrote: »meghanduprey wrote: »When I started earlier this year (January 5th) I weighed 183 lbs. I am 5'3. I started out netting 1700 calories. I weigh all of my foods and I make sure that I pick a reasonable weight loss goal and I pick the right activity level. I am now 169 lbs. I eat about 1600 calories now though.
ok seriously, what is net? does that mean including workout calories?
Yes, it includes workout calories. If you eat 1800 calories, but do 300 calories worth of exercise, you net 1500 calories.
thank you, that's very confusing i GET it but i don't if that makes sense.... soooo let me try the math, that means the poster in this quote would really be eating 1700 calories PLUS workout calories? right?
Thank you so much for answering this question without judging.
Yes. She'd be eating more actual calories, but burning some through exercise.
Thanks!!!!! that makes sense now.
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meghanduprey wrote: »I am about your age and height and have gone from 190 to 146 in the last six months. I average between 1400-1500 calories/day, my estimated TDEE is 2000, and so far I have been losing about a pound a week. So yes I think 1600/day sounds pretty reasonable, and assuming you are a little more active than me you will probably find you lose about a pound a week without starving for it, which is nice!
what is TDEE? is the 1400-1500 before your exercise calories? congratulations on the weight loss!!!!!
No, the 1400-1500 is total calories eaten. I think without exercise I would burn about 1750 calories per day and usually exercise adds approximately 250 more.0 -
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meghanduprey wrote: »I am about your age and height and have gone from 190 to 146 in the last six months. I average between 1400-1500 calories/day, my estimated TDEE is 2000, and so far I have been losing about a pound a week. So yes I think 1600/day sounds pretty reasonable, and assuming you are a little more active than me you will probably find you lose about a pound a week without starving for it, which is nice!
what is TDEE? is the 1400-1500 before your exercise calories? congratulations on the weight loss!!!!!
TDEE is your total daily energy expenditure. It's how many calories your body burns in a day doing its basic job of keeping you alive, plus moving around going throughout your day, plus purposeful exercise.
There are two ways to calculate a calorie deficit. One is them is called the TDEE method. It's very good for people who get consistent exercise. There are online calculators for this. You can go to one of the sites hosting these calculators, plug in your stats, and your weekly exercise activity and it will give you the figures you need to eat every day to lose weight. Since your exercise is already included in the calculations, you ignore exercise activity from that point onward.
The other method, the one used by MFP, is called the NEAT method. NEAT stands for non-exercise activity thermogensis. What that means in plain talk is the amount of calories your body uses keeping you alive plus the amount you use moving around and going throughout your day but NOT including your exercise. On days you do exercise, you add those calories "earned" to your daily caloric intake allowance.
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just found this post! exercise calories since i'm using MFP to calculate my calories then i should eat back the exercise calories. i'm still going to keep my fitbit disconnected for the time being but i'm going to log my step class and my body pump class because i work hard in them 0
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I'm 5'6 and weigh around 177 right now. My calorie goal is set at 1450, and I eat all of my exercise calories given to me by my Fitbit which can add up to around 1600 per day fairly often. If I stick to that, I lose pretty easily.
Honestly, I have a food scale and rarely use it. I use measuring cups, spoons, food scale periodically and eyeball portions sometimes. I don't have a problem when I do that, but I hear that some people do. Maybe I burn more calories than I realize, so it doesn't hinder my weight loss. I don't know.
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AnitaCRice wrote: »I'm 5'6 and weigh around 177 right now. My calorie goal is set at 1450, and I eat all of my exercise calories given to me by my Fitbit which can add up to around 1600 per day fairly often. If I stick to that, I lose pretty easily.
Honestly, I have a food scale and rarely use it. I use measuring cups, spoons, food scale periodically and eyeball portions sometimes. I don't have a problem when I do that, but I hear that some people do. Maybe I burn more calories than I realize, so it doesn't hinder my weight loss. I don't know.
i wish i could do that!
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Meghan, you were already eating your exercise calories and you weren't losing weight.
Were you accurately logging the whole time or not?0 -
mamapeach910 wrote: »Meghan, you were already eating your exercise calories and you weren't losing weight.
Were you accurately logging the whole time or not?
i'm about 90% sure i was logging correctly but with everyone saying i must not be it makes me question myself
. i was eating back my fitbit calories which was at least 200-300 calories a day so i'm cutting that out.
i just secure messaged my doctor about getting my thyroid tested again.0 -
You were weighing EVERYTHING on the food scale? Measuring all caloric liquids? Were you checking that you were selecting the correct data base entries? Verify all of them with either product packaging or the USDA website or nutritiondata.self.com.
Because the thing is, you should have been losing on your intake, given your stats.0 -
Separate post for this.
Regarding your thyroid.
Find out from your doctor what the number is, even if he tells you it's fine. There's a range of normal, but within that range... well... I'll tell you my experience as someone with a diagnosed thyroid condition.
I can be corrected with medication to test within normal range, but still have symptoms. I can test within the high range of normal numbers ... say my bloodwork will come back and give a reading of 2.7. That's normal. I won't feel well with that reading.
I need my levels corrected down to 1.2 or under to feel best.
So you might test within normal RANGE but your thyroid can still be out of whack. Ask him to see if you can be screened for antibodies as well. The majority of people with thyroid disease have an autoimmune issue. If that's uncovered, the whole problem will be easier to treat.0 -
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meghanduprey wrote: »AnitaCRice wrote: »I'm 5'6 and weigh around 177 right now. My calorie goal is set at 1450, and I eat all of my exercise calories given to me by my Fitbit which can add up to around 1600 per day fairly often. If I stick to that, I lose pretty easily.
Honestly, I have a food scale and rarely use it. I use measuring cups, spoons, food scale periodically and eyeball portions sometimes. I don't have a problem when I do that, but I hear that some people do. Maybe I burn more calories than I realize, so it doesn't hinder my weight loss. I don't know.
i wish i could do that!
I actually could probably have my goal set at around 1600 and eat back some of my exercise calories and still be okay. I purposely set my goal to 1450 so that I have that margin of error...that is probably why I do okay guessing at my intake sometimes. I also don't ever officially add in exercise. I only use what my Fitbit calculates, which can be the same whether I do a high intensity workout or an easy elliptical workout, as long as the number of steps are the same.0 -
farfromthetree wrote: »
Maybe an accident.0 -
mamapeach910 wrote: »You were weighing EVERYTHING on the food scale? Measuring all caloric liquids? Were you checking that you were selecting the correct data base entries? Verify all of them with either product packaging or the USDA website or nutritiondata.self.com.
Because the thing is, you should have been losing on your intake, given your stats.
I do weigh everything on the scale or with measuring spoons (for the PB2 etc), i don't drink anything other than water. it looks like i don't measure everything according to my entries (please disregard yesterday it was a *kitten* show), but i put in the number of servings to equal the amount that i weigh out calorically. (ex my yogurt i weigh out in grams but can't find a good by the gram entry so i chose the oz entry and just upped the # of servings until it equalled out to the same amount of calories).
that's why i'm so frustrated from all the stupid calculators i've done online they SAY i should be losing but it's just not happening. 0 -
farfromthetree wrote: »
not me! i have no idea what arditarose is though...0 -
meghanduprey wrote: »farfromthetree wrote: »
not me! i have no idea what arditarose is though...
It's me...You were asking a question. I think it was before you learned how to use the quote option.
By the way, weigh your PB2 and such. Those calories are for grams.0 -
mamapeach910 wrote: »Separate post for this.
Regarding your thyroid.
Find out from your doctor what the number is, even if he tells you it's fine. There's a range of normal, but within that range... well... I'll tell you my experience as someone with a diagnosed thyroid condition.
I can be corrected with medication to test within normal range, but still have symptoms. I can test within the high range of normal numbers ... say my bloodwork will come back and give a reading of 2.7. That's normal. I won't feel well with that reading.
I need my levels corrected down to 1.2 or under to feel best.
So you might test within normal RANGE but your thyroid can still be out of whack. Ask him to see if you can be screened for antibodies as well. The majority of people with thyroid disease have an autoimmune issue. If that's uncovered, the whole problem will be easier to treat.
do you take synthroid or natural thyroid?
i have heard mixed reviews on this issue (started doing some research).
i go to the veteran's affairs for my medical so sometimes getting anything other than very basic testing can be a pain in the butt. there are so many of us that they're overwhelmed and they have strict protocols they follow, ie only using certain meds even though others have been found to be more useful. i need as much info as i can to go in there with if i want anything other than the minimum amount of care0
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