ObamaCare....Your thoughts

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  • 257_Lag
    257_Lag Posts: 1,249 Member
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    My Mother works for a grocery store that employs about 300 people. Many of these are part time already but they have (had) plenty of fuull time employees also. It is privately owned, not a chain.

    Two weeks ago they cut roughly 100 employees from 35-40 hours to 29 hours a week AND put help wanted signs up. Why?

    Because the definition of a "full time" employee under Obamacare is 30 hours and the tripping point for many of the requirements is 50 employees.

    But why now when it doesn't go into effect until January? Because the look back period is 6 months to determine your "full time" employee count. They stated that this is the only way that they can stay in business.

    I am afraid that you are going to hear more and more of this kind of thing. Imagine being the owner of a growing small business with 49 employees? Are you going to hire people when it will put you over the 50? I don't think so.

    More people working, less people making ends meets. Google socialism.
  • obeseandsassy
    obeseandsassy Posts: 118
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    healthcare should be a human right. period, end of story.
  • whierd
    whierd Posts: 14,025 Member
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    healthcare should be a human right. period, end of story.

    No, no it shouldn't.
  • 257_Lag
    257_Lag Posts: 1,249 Member
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    healthcare should be a human right. period, end of story.

    Yeah, no reason to work or be a productive part of society. The rest of us will do that for you.
  • SerenaFisher
    SerenaFisher Posts: 2,170 Member
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    healthcare should be a human right. period, end of story.

    No, no it shouldn't.
    :laugh:

    Healthcare is a human right, you cannot legally turn anyone away at the ER. :) And if you're "poor" they offer you the paperwork for government Insurance to pay for it. Yes, I know this. I do not know where people got the idea that you have to have insurance to go to an ER.
  • obeseandsassy
    obeseandsassy Posts: 118
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    healthcare should be a human right. period, end of story.

    Yeah, no reason to work or be a productive part of society. The rest of us will do that for you.

    how you managed to get 'don't bother working or being productive' out of the statement that healthcare should be a human right boggles my mind. but, you know what they say about assumptions.
  • stephenszymanski
    stephenszymanski Posts: 114 Member
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    Wasn't strong enough.

    Won't really change anything for the better probably.

    All I know is that I had Kidney Stones in the beginning of May... an ER visit in which they did basically nothing for 4 out of the 5 hours I was there... finally getting the bills now. Insurance covered about half.

    I wish I lived in France.
  • SerenaFisher
    SerenaFisher Posts: 2,170 Member
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    healthcare should be a human right. period, end of story.

    Yeah, no reason to work or be a productive part of society. The rest of us will do that for you.

    how you managed to get 'don't bother working or being productive' out of the statement that healthcare should be a human right boggles my mind. but, you know what they say about assumptions.
    When offered a chance for free health care and not working, or paying a crap load for health care and not getting the best insurance only the insurance your employer offers, or a sliding scale from the government what would you pick? The problem is this doesn't give people incentive to work, in fact it aspires to those that do not work. Granted many people that get state insurance do actually need it, and I am not knocking those who truly cannot work.

    But come on, I know plenty of people soaking up the system that COULD do more, but do not have too. Not they have no reason to want too, who wants to offer an arm, a leg, and your first born for health care? :laugh:
  • OnionMomma
    OnionMomma Posts: 938 Member
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    I disagree....I work with Medicaid patients all the time. The MD ALWAYS gets paid and does not have to fight with anyone. They pay a lower rate but it is a rate that actually makes sense...not inflated by the MD who thinks he is god.

    I am a medical biller for a psychiatry office. For each code that we bill for, the doctor gets paid HALF of what he gets from every other insurance company.

    Yes what she said (the 2nd poster that is)...... My son's Ped's office will not take 1 of the 3 medicaid ins providers for our state. Want to know why? Because they don't pay out at all if ever. So, my son's office decided NOT to take any patients with that type of government ins.

    I am wondering if (like all the other loopholes that are being found by employers to deny coverage under this new bill) if DRs office's will just NOT take anyone who has those types of policies.

    It's already happening in our area. And this particular instance was about 3 years ago, before the ACA was put into affect. So, if DRs offices were doing it then, they will surely do it now.
  • 257_Lag
    257_Lag Posts: 1,249 Member
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    healthcare should be a human right. period, end of story.

    Yeah, no reason to work or be a productive part of society. The rest of us will do that for you.

    how you managed to get 'don't bother working or being productive' out of the statement that healthcare should be a human right boggles my mind. but, you know what they say about assumptions.

    Wikipedia:

    Human rights are "commonly understood as inalienable fundamental rights to which a person is inherently entitled simply because she or he is a human being."[1] Human rights are thus conceived as universal (applicable everywhere) and egalitarian (the same for everyone).

    I wasn't referring specifically to you. I don't know you, but quality health care is something you should earn! It is hardly a right.
  • diodelcibo
    diodelcibo Posts: 2,564 Member
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    healthcare should be a human right. period, end of story.

    Yep we all deserve something for nothing no matter the situation whatsoever ...
  • jayce54321
    jayce54321 Posts: 110 Member
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    It doesn't go far enough, we need universal health care in this country. I spent 20 years in the Navy and never had a problem getting the family in to a doctor. I had a daughter with severe intestinal problems that required a transplant (experimental). The gov't paid for some of the best children's hospitals in the country to take care of her until we could get a transplant. Without that care she would have died at age 8. She did get the transplant but we lost her when she was 15. If I had to rely on the insurance currently offered by my employer she would not have lived to age 8. Insurance companies are for profit entities and don't care about you. Remove the monetary incentive and what is left is compassion.
  • SerenaFisher
    SerenaFisher Posts: 2,170 Member
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    Wasn't strong enough.

    Won't really change anything for the better probably.

    All I know is that I had Kidney Stones in the beginning of May... an ER visit in which they did basically nothing for 4 out of the 5 hours I was there... finally getting the bills now. Insurance covered about half.

    I wish I lived in France.
    There isn't much you can do for Kidney stones, unless they are bad enough to require surgery. From what I've heard they pretty much have to pass on their own free will, and well that's just life. I had a doctor diagnose a gal bladder wrong, big deal. That is also just life, you would still be paying with Obamacare, the copay doesn't go away. :grumble:
  • obeseandsassy
    obeseandsassy Posts: 118
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    healthcare should be a human right. period, end of story.

    Yeah, no reason to work or be a productive part of society. The rest of us will do that for you.

    how you managed to get 'don't bother working or being productive' out of the statement that healthcare should be a human right boggles my mind. but, you know what they say about assumptions.
    When offered a chance for free health care and not working, or paying a crap load for health care and not getting the best insurance only the insurance your employer offers, or a sliding scale from the government what would you pick? The problem is this doesn't give people incentive to work, in fact it aspires to those that do not work. Granted many people that get state insurance do actually need it, and I am not knocking those who truly cannot work.

    But come on, I know plenty of people soaking up the system that COULD do more, but do not have too. Not they have no reason to want too, who wants to offer an arm, a leg, and your first born for health care? :laugh:

    again, this doesn't even make sense. ok, so say if you don't work, you get free/cheap healthcare. big whoop. there are still things to pay for in life besides health care. you know, it's nice to have a place to live, a car to drive, food to eat, an internet connection, a social life, (i could go on?) free healthcare is really not a great incentive to not work.

    you simply cannot have a good/fulfilling life on government benefits alone, so the people who constantly bawww about how others take advantage of free healthcare (or food stamps, or welfare, choose your poison, really.) have no idea what they're talking about.
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