What can you eat on a diet?
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Many of us on this site are not American, i'm not from an English speaking country myself. So i hope the OP didn't mean to sound aggressive.
I don't think OP is trolling, she is probably new to this whole weight loss idea. As someone who's lived in Europe and Asia, I know weight loss principles can vary. As in, the whole US knows about CICO, but in the country that i'm originally from, vast majority be like "if you eat white bread you are gonna get fat, if you eat whole wheat then it's all good".
So let's not judge, OP is probably new to all of this and is trying to lose weight and give us helpful lectures of what she thinks is correct.
Oh and i'm guessing Friday is a bit relaxed, pig out day in whatever country OP is from.0 -
Let's see here: Drive-by post hitting all the high notes for topics that have recently started flame wars/never-ending threads. User's only post. User's profile indicates a weight loss goal roughly equivalent to an adult manatee.
Don't feed the troll, folks.0 -
Saggybaggy1756 wrote: »What do you eat throughout the day? What do you eat to reward yourself? What do you eat at Fridays?
I typically skip breakfast and eat a small portion of leftovers from dinner for lunch. If no leftovers, I'll have a salad, some beans, yogurt with cereal, soup or something else small.
In the evening we have dinner, which could be anything. It's a big meal. Over 1000 calories usually, and includes wine.
I don't really 'reward' myself, but I do have snacks and desserts occasionally.
On Fridays I typically eat as above.
On Saturday and Sunday I often have breakfast (pancakes, usually) and skip lunch, then a big meal sometime in the late afternoon or evening.
I don't really have any eating "rules", but the above is typical for me.0 -
cwolfman13 wrote: »Also, I like Mascarpone cheese on my berries and fruit in general...makes a kick *kitten* desert.
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maillemaker wrote: »One of my pet peeves around here is when people say so flippantly, "Oh, you/I can eat anything you/I want!"
No, you can't.
To most people, when you say, "You can eat anything you want", that includes quantity. And if you are trying to lose or maintain weight, you don't get that luxury. You don't get to eat anything you want.
You can eat any item you want, but you can only eat it in quantities that won't blow your calorie limit for the day.
If you get 1600 calories for the day and you would like to blow that on a single portion of prime rib and some dinner rolls, you can do that. And then be hungry the rest of the day when you can't eat anything else without going over your limit.
Actually... logically and grammatically; yes you can eat anyTHING. Anything is not the same as as MUCH as. It has never meant that. People who allow themselves to think it means that ,are probably trying to delude themselves into not having to be accountable for their choices, because they have not really committed to the actual task of loosing weight. They just want to be able to tell people that they are dieting so that other people maybe will back off of commenting or having judgmental thoughts about their weight.
So yes you can indeed eat anything you want. You just can't necessarily eat as much of it as you might want. Saying anything does not include quantity. You might assume that it does but that's your own issue to work through. Perhaps a closer study of the definitions of words and sentence structure would be helpful?
So I decide that want to eat cheesecake. Well I can. Cheesecake is a thing. No rule on MFP says I can't eat it. Now how much cheesecake I can eat is determined by just how much of my total calorie allowance for the day I want to spend on it. Since I don't enjoy being hungry and I really do want to loose weight, I usually try not to make things like cheesecake a significant portion of my days intake. OTOH maybe the thing I want to eat today is lettuce. Well lettuce has a pretty low caloric cost so I could probably go ahead and eat as much of it as I want. Of course I would still have to be sure to log the amount.
See.... logic.
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Saggybaggy1756 wrote: »So yeah...
I've seen so many people talking about these "healthy" cakes, muffins, smoothies and in general just desserts. THEY ARE NOT HEALTHY!
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When people see the words healthy in front of food, they generally, instantly think that it is good and you can eat as much as you want.
Some of them will be fine others highly calorific, so you dont know whether they are healthy or not.
Nope I dont think people think they can eat as much as they like.
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kommodevaran wrote: »I am a little shocked as to the response the OP got here. And I've been on the forums for a while, lol. I can't see the trolling, not quite. What she says is reasonable, isn't it? Many of us have figured out how to decode advertising through the years, but new dieters often struggle. Nobody would guess she's maybe not American? The profile says 1,226 pounds to go - nobody would guess that may be a glitch due to not being used to the Imperial system? Where I live, Friday is a big pig-out day. And Fridays isn't just a day of the week: http://fridays.no/ Thanks for scaring off an 18 year old
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I thought he said calorie counting doesn't work anyway?
When did I ever say that? Calorie deficits are the only thing that results in weight loss. I have said this countless times.He says nothing works because our bodies want to be fat.
No, I said most people fail because our bodies actively defend fat stores, and provided the science to back that up, which some of you don't want to take the time to look at.One of our pet peeves is that you are always looking for reasons why people fail instead of applying solutions.
Ignoring the reasons why people most people fail at weight loss just results in more failure. You cannot apply solutions that work without understanding why solutions that fail don't work.
I myself am down 21 pounds total, and 8 pounds since February 18th, by applying solutions that work.
Anyway I'm not going to debate this with you again as clearly you simply like to argue on the internet but don't read or watch information to get educated about the science. You talk a good game but you're a sham.
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maillemaker wrote: »One of my pet peeves around here is when people say so flippantly, "Oh, you/I can eat anything you/I want!"
No, you can't.
To most people, when you say, "You can eat anything you want", that includes quantity. And if you are trying to lose or maintain weight, you don't get that luxury. You don't get to eat anything you want.
You can eat any item you want, but you can only eat it in quantities that won't blow your calorie limit for the day.
If you get 1600 calories for the day and you would like to blow that on a single portion of prime rib and some dinner rolls, you can do that. And then be hungry the rest of the day when you can't eat anything else without going over your limit.
How is anything different from any item? It is absolutely true that you can eat anything you want and still lose weight. You just can't eat as much of it as you might want.0 -
Now I am craving a farking brownie. I have stuff at home to make them and a 6 year old who wants to help.0
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I eat whatever I want within my macro and calorie targets. Usually that means about 2500 calories of whole, nutrient dense foods, and another thousand of beer and cupcakes because....science.
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sgthaggard wrote: »kommodevaran wrote: »I am a little shocked as to the response the OP got here. And I've been on the forums for a while, lol. I can't see the trolling, not quite. What she says is reasonable, isn't it? Many of us have figured out how to decode advertising through the years, but new dieters often struggle. Nobody would guess she's maybe not American? The profile says 1,226 pounds to go - nobody would guess that may be a glitch due to not being used to the Imperial system? Where I live, Friday is a big pig-out day. And Fridays isn't just a day of the week: http://fridays.no/ Thanks for scaring off an 18 year old
Maybe 1.226 kgs?
No, really, I don't know how that number got there - but I remember I joined MFP weighing 785 kilos, just because the system wouldn't allow comma as decimal point. It could be something like that for the OP too.0 -
FoodFitnessTravel wrote: »Many of us on this site are not American, i'm not from an English speaking country myself. So i hope the OP didn't mean to sound aggressive.
I don't think OP is trolling, she is probably new to this whole weight loss idea. As someone who's lived in Europe and Asia, I know weight loss principles can vary. As in, the whole US knows about CICO, but in the country that i'm originally from, vast majority be like "if you eat white bread you are gonna get fat, if you eat whole wheat then it's all good".
So let's not judge, OP is probably new to all of this and is trying to lose weight and give us helpful lectures of what she thinks is correct.
Oh and i'm guessing Friday is a bit relaxed, pig out day in whatever country OP is from.
Virtually no one knows how calories work unless they actually decide to track calories. So the whole US definitely doesn't know about CICO, since they still associate foods with being fattening or causing x disease, and associate weight loss with crash diets orcutting out a whole bunch of things and exercising like crazy.0 -
Yesterday I ate an entire 100g bar of dark chocolate. Wednesday I'm going to eat an entire 125g bar of dark chocolate. All fits into my macros. Eat what you want, make it fit, don't stress, enjoy. And repeat.0
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FoodFitnessTravel wrote: »Many of us on this site are not American, i'm not from an English speaking country myself. So i hope the OP didn't mean to sound aggressive.
I don't think OP is trolling, she is probably new to this whole weight loss idea. As someone who's lived in Europe and Asia, I know weight loss principles can vary. As in, the whole US knows about CICO, but in the country that i'm originally from, vast majority be like "if you eat white bread you are gonna get fat, if you eat whole wheat then it's all good".
So let's not judge, OP is probably new to all of this and is trying to lose weight and give us helpful lectures of what she thinks is correct.
Oh and i'm guessing Friday is a bit relaxed, pig out day in whatever country OP is from.
Virtually no one knows how calories work unless they actually decide to track calories. So the whole US definitely doesn't know about CICO, since they still associate foods with being fattening or causing x disease, and associate weight loss with crash diets orcutting out a whole bunch of things and exercising like crazy.
LOL what?0 -
any thing you enjoy eating or drinking in moderation if it keeps you within your calorie goal
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Need2Exerc1se wrote: »FoodFitnessTravel wrote: »Many of us on this site are not American, i'm not from an English speaking country myself. So i hope the OP didn't mean to sound aggressive.
I don't think OP is trolling, she is probably new to this whole weight loss idea. As someone who's lived in Europe and Asia, I know weight loss principles can vary. As in, the whole US knows about CICO, but in the country that i'm originally from, vast majority be like "if you eat white bread you are gonna get fat, if you eat whole wheat then it's all good".
So let's not judge, OP is probably new to all of this and is trying to lose weight and give us helpful lectures of what she thinks is correct.
Oh and i'm guessing Friday is a bit relaxed, pig out day in whatever country OP is from.
Virtually no one knows how calories work unless they actually decide to track calories. So the whole US definitely doesn't know about CICO, since they still associate foods with being fattening or causing x disease, and associate weight loss with crash diets orcutting out a whole bunch of things and exercising like crazy.
LOL what?
Your reaction does not make any sense to what I wrote. Based on the number of people who will ask others what their "secret" is to losing weight, the countless detoxa nd fad diet threads here, and people who post about exercising for hours and hours every day whilst not losing any weight for months very clearly demonstrates that CICO is not a term that people simply know and understand by default. They have to actually look into it. And America (particularly women) does associate food with causing fat gain and other ailments more so than other countries (based on one study conducted across a few European countries and the US). OH, not to mention all the threads like THIS one asking what is safe to eat for weight loss - if CICO were common knowledge, people wouldn't ask WHAT they can eat but instead HOW MUCH they can eat.
I did not know what calories really were in an actual, practical, applicable-to-me way until I joined MFP. At the age of 23. If CICO were a commonly-held notion then I would have already learned about it, much like I have learned about a plethora of things outside of school simply based on my cultural membership. A girl on my Facebook just posted that she's giving up sugar for fitness goals. A classmate talked about drinking water to remove her eyeball toxins. People are painfully ignorant about calories, macros, and nutrition.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »FoodFitnessTravel wrote: »Many of us on this site are not American, i'm not from an English speaking country myself. So i hope the OP didn't mean to sound aggressive.
I don't think OP is trolling, she is probably new to this whole weight loss idea. As someone who's lived in Europe and Asia, I know weight loss principles can vary. As in, the whole US knows about CICO, but in the country that i'm originally from, vast majority be like "if you eat white bread you are gonna get fat, if you eat whole wheat then it's all good".
So let's not judge, OP is probably new to all of this and is trying to lose weight and give us helpful lectures of what she thinks is correct.
Oh and i'm guessing Friday is a bit relaxed, pig out day in whatever country OP is from.
Virtually no one knows how calories work unless they actually decide to track calories. So the whole US definitely doesn't know about CICO, since they still associate foods with being fattening or causing x disease, and associate weight loss with crash diets orcutting out a whole bunch of things and exercising like crazy.
LOL what?
Your reaction does not make any sense to what I wrote. Based on the number of people who will ask others what their "secret" is to losing weight, the countless detoxa nd fad diet threads here, and people who post about exercising for hours and hours every day whilst not losing any weight for months very clearly demonstrates that CICO is not a term that people simply know and understand by default. They have to actually look into it. And America (particularly women) does associate food with causing fat gain and other ailments more so than other countries (based on one study conducted across a few European countries and the US). OH, not to mention all the threads like THIS one asking what is safe to eat for weight loss - if CICO were common knowledge, people wouldn't ask WHAT they can eat but instead HOW MUCH they can eat.
I did not know what calories really were in an actual, practical, applicable-to-me way until I joined MFP. At the age of 23. If CICO were a commonly-held notion then I would have already learned about it, much like I have learned about a plethora of things outside of school simply based on my cultural membership. A girl on my Facebook just posted that she's giving up sugar for fitness goals. A classmate talked about drinking water to remove her eyeball toxins. People are painfully ignorant about calories, macros, and nutrition.
If you made it to 23 years old without knowing that you needed to consume less calories than you expend to lose weight, I would guess you are in the minority. While they may not have known the specific number of calories in every food, since I was child everyone I know has known that weight loss is about calories. And sure, many look for that work around, that easy way to cut calories, that method that will not make weight loss seem like deprivation. But that's not the same as thinking calories aren't the key. Dear Lord, I hope the general intelligence level hasn't fallen this far.0 -
HappyCampr1 wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »FoodFitnessTravel wrote: »Many of us on this site are not American, i'm not from an English speaking country myself. So i hope the OP didn't mean to sound aggressive.
I don't think OP is trolling, she is probably new to this whole weight loss idea. As someone who's lived in Europe and Asia, I know weight loss principles can vary. As in, the whole US knows about CICO, but in the country that i'm originally from, vast majority be like "if you eat white bread you are gonna get fat, if you eat whole wheat then it's all good".
So let's not judge, OP is probably new to all of this and is trying to lose weight and give us helpful lectures of what she thinks is correct.
Oh and i'm guessing Friday is a bit relaxed, pig out day in whatever country OP is from.
Virtually no one knows how calories work unless they actually decide to track calories. So the whole US definitely doesn't know about CICO, since they still associate foods with being fattening or causing x disease, and associate weight loss with crash diets orcutting out a whole bunch of things and exercising like crazy.
LOL what?
Your reaction does not make any sense to what I wrote. Based on the number of people who will ask others what their "secret" is to losing weight, the countless detoxa nd fad diet threads here, and people who post about exercising for hours and hours every day whilst not losing any weight for months very clearly demonstrates that CICO is not a term that people simply know and understand by default. They have to actually look into it. And America (particularly women) does associate food with causing fat gain and other ailments more so than other countries (based on one study conducted across a few European countries and the US). OH, not to mention all the threads like THIS one asking what is safe to eat for weight loss - if CICO were common knowledge, people wouldn't ask WHAT they can eat but instead HOW MUCH they can eat.
I did not know what calories really were in an actual, practical, applicable-to-me way until I joined MFP. At the age of 23. If CICO were a commonly-held notion then I would have already learned about it, much like I have learned about a plethora of things outside of school simply based on my cultural membership. A girl on my Facebook just posted that she's giving up sugar for fitness goals. A classmate talked about drinking water to remove her eyeball toxins. People are painfully ignorant about calories, macros, and nutrition.
If you made it to 23 years old without knowing that you needed to consume less calories than you expend to lose weight, I would guess you are in the minority. While they may not have known the specific number of calories in every food, since I was child everyone I know has known that weight loss is about calories. And sure, many look for that work around, that easy way to cut calories, that method that will not make weight loss seem like deprivation. But that's not the same as thinking calories aren't the key. Dear Lord, I hope the general intelligence level hasn't fallen this far.
I made it to 47 and second category obesity without ever having tried to lose weight. The only reason I started when I did was because my knee was hurting and I could hear the voice in my head telling me my knee wouldn't hurt if I didn't weigh so much. So, what did I do? Did I try a diet? No. Did I cut calories? No. I started exercising. That was the only thing I knew should help lose weight. I was woefully ignorant of calories and portion sizes. It took 7 months of busting my butt at the gym to lose 15 pounds and I was unhappy with that rate of loss. That's when I found MFP in the App Store. I basically just wanted a log so I could see what was going on. No concept of CICO until I got started. So, it is definitely possible that the general public really has no clue about calories or how to go about losing weight. I can't be the only one.
If you didn't know calories were the most important thing for weight loss, why did you want to log food? What were you hoping to see, other than calories?0 -
Honestly I can't remember when I learned about calories...it seems ingrained in me, that consuming foods higher in calories = the greater the chance of you getting fat.... not sure if I picked that up from TV advertising for "low calorie" things like Diet Soda or Tic Tacs, the 1 & 1/2 Calorie Breath Mint or what. I feel like I always knew a high calorie diet led to being overweight/fat/etc.
Weight Watchers helped me further - the higher the calories, the higher the points for the food.
BUT I also believed a lot of stuff that was thrown around: eating high fat foods was bad, eating after 7 or 8 pm is bad, eat clean foods for they're not bad, etc. I believed the food guide pyramid as it was ingrained in me since childhood. I didn't like exercising though Weight Watchers taught me I could "eat more" if I exercise...
I didn't learn the actual nuts & bolts of calorie counting till I came here and read the forums a while.0 -
I dunno, when I think of 'healthy' food, I think of foods that aren't empty calories. Like, cake, for instance. You can have low calorie cake, but it doesn't really contribute a significant amount of vitamins and the like. So I don't consider it healthy. Very very tasty and totally not forbidden, but not healthy either.0
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herrspoons wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »FoodFitnessTravel wrote: »Many of us on this site are not American, i'm not from an English speaking country myself. So i hope the OP didn't mean to sound aggressive.
I don't think OP is trolling, she is probably new to this whole weight loss idea. As someone who's lived in Europe and Asia, I know weight loss principles can vary. As in, the whole US knows about CICO, but in the country that i'm originally from, vast majority be like "if you eat white bread you are gonna get fat, if you eat whole wheat then it's all good".
So let's not judge, OP is probably new to all of this and is trying to lose weight and give us helpful lectures of what she thinks is correct.
Oh and i'm guessing Friday is a bit relaxed, pig out day in whatever country OP is from.
Virtually no one knows how calories work unless they actually decide to track calories. So the whole US definitely doesn't know about CICO, since they still associate foods with being fattening or causing x disease, and associate weight loss with crash diets orcutting out a whole bunch of things and exercising like crazy.
LOL what?
Your reaction does not make any sense to what I wrote. Based on the number of people who will ask others what their "secret" is to losing weight, the countless detoxa nd fad diet threads here, and people who post about exercising for hours and hours every day whilst not losing any weight for months very clearly demonstrates that CICO is not a term that people simply know and understand by default. They have to actually look into it. And America (particularly women) does associate food with causing fat gain and other ailments more so than other countries (based on one study conducted across a few European countries and the US). OH, not to mention all the threads like THIS one asking what is safe to eat for weight loss - if CICO were common knowledge, people wouldn't ask WHAT they can eat but instead HOW MUCH they can eat.
I did not know what calories really were in an actual, practical, applicable-to-me way until I joined MFP. At the age of 23. If CICO were a commonly-held notion then I would have already learned about it, much like I have learned about a plethora of things outside of school simply based on my cultural membership. A girl on my Facebook just posted that she's giving up sugar for fitness goals. A classmate talked about drinking water to remove her eyeball toxins. People are painfully ignorant about calories, macros, and nutrition.
If you made it to 23 years old without knowing that you needed to consume less calories than you expend to lose weight, I would guess you are in the minority.
Why are there so many fat people then?
Because while people may KNOW the basic info, if they don't APPLY it, then it is pretty much worthless. My friend "knows" that you should have about 2000-2200 calories a day. Yet she is still quite overweight. As am I (I always thought 2000 calories was the standard.) Yet here I am.0 -
One more chiming in that if you would have told me that I could get fat off of chicken and broccoli by eating over my calories burned for the day, I wouldn't have believed you until I got here and learned how it all worked. That was at 35 years old. I believed in all the fads.0
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Honestly I can't remember when I learned about calories...it seems ingrained in me, that consuming foods higher in calories = the greater the chance of you getting fat.... not sure if I picked that up from TV advertising for "low calorie" things like Diet Soda or Tic Tacs, the 1 & 1/2 Calorie Breath Mint or what. I feel like I always knew a high calorie diet led to being overweight/fat/etc.
Weight Watchers helped me further - the higher the calories, the higher the points for the food.
BUT I also believed a lot of stuff that was thrown around: eating high fat foods was bad, eating after 7 or 8 pm is bad, eat clean foods for they're not bad, etc. I believed the food guide pyramid as it was ingrained in me since childhood. I didn't like exercising though Weight Watchers taught me I could "eat more" if I exercise...
I didn't learn the actual nuts & bolts of calorie counting till I came here and read the forums a while.
Exactly. Information on calories is everywhere. 100 calorie snack packs, 80 calorie yogurt, low calorie this and that. Infomercials out the wazzoo telling us we can burn 1000 calories per hour with this workout. It's mind boggling to think that there are very many people seeing these things regularly without making the connection that calories matter for weight loss.0 -
herrspoons wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »FoodFitnessTravel wrote: »Many of us on this site are not American, i'm not from an English speaking country myself. So i hope the OP didn't mean to sound aggressive.
I don't think OP is trolling, she is probably new to this whole weight loss idea. As someone who's lived in Europe and Asia, I know weight loss principles can vary. As in, the whole US knows about CICO, but in the country that i'm originally from, vast majority be like "if you eat white bread you are gonna get fat, if you eat whole wheat then it's all good".
So let's not judge, OP is probably new to all of this and is trying to lose weight and give us helpful lectures of what she thinks is correct.
Oh and i'm guessing Friday is a bit relaxed, pig out day in whatever country OP is from.
Virtually no one knows how calories work unless they actually decide to track calories. So the whole US definitely doesn't know about CICO, since they still associate foods with being fattening or causing x disease, and associate weight loss with crash diets orcutting out a whole bunch of things and exercising like crazy.
LOL what?
Your reaction does not make any sense to what I wrote. Based on the number of people who will ask others what their "secret" is to losing weight, the countless detoxa nd fad diet threads here, and people who post about exercising for hours and hours every day whilst not losing any weight for months very clearly demonstrates that CICO is not a term that people simply know and understand by default. They have to actually look into it. And America (particularly women) does associate food with causing fat gain and other ailments more so than other countries (based on one study conducted across a few European countries and the US). OH, not to mention all the threads like THIS one asking what is safe to eat for weight loss - if CICO were common knowledge, people wouldn't ask WHAT they can eat but instead HOW MUCH they can eat.
I did not know what calories really were in an actual, practical, applicable-to-me way until I joined MFP. At the age of 23. If CICO were a commonly-held notion then I would have already learned about it, much like I have learned about a plethora of things outside of school simply based on my cultural membership. A girl on my Facebook just posted that she's giving up sugar for fitness goals. A classmate talked about drinking water to remove her eyeball toxins. People are painfully ignorant about calories, macros, and nutrition.
If you made it to 23 years old without knowing that you needed to consume less calories than you expend to lose weight, I would guess you are in the minority.
Why are there so many fat people then?
Because they overeat.0 -
You can eat anything. I eat whatever on Fridays. It's all about eating at a calorie deficit, not eating x and y. If you are concerned with body composition you can track protein, but it's not required for weight loss.
My diary is open. This is the kind of food I eat regularly. Some weeks are more nutritious, some are less. All balances out.
Healthy doesn't mean you can eat as much as you want. Just eat for your calorie needs. I do not substitute things if I want the real thing.
This right here. I eat what I want regardless of what day of the week! Some days are more nutritious than others, but it all balances out. I've lost 89 pounds eating that way, so I don't plan on changing any time soon.
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I too believed that fat should be avoided at all costs, because fat has 9 calories per gram, more than twice of protein and carbs. I knew everything about calories... It didn't stop me from overeating, though, lots of chips/crisps, chocolate, sausages, cookies, candy, after I'd chewed through the allotted ton of oatmeal with skim milk, carrots and low-fat ham. I believe - now - that my body and brain craved the fat and was seeking out nutrition and taste and satiety, while being conned by the bright colors, sweetness, fullbodied and salty allure of "junk food". Now I aim to feed all of me with tasty, balanced nutrition, listening to my instincts. The cravings have subsided to 1% of what they used to be.0
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kommodevaran wrote: »I am a little shocked as to the response the OP got here. And I've been on the forums for a while, lol. I can't see the trolling, not quite. What she says is reasonable, isn't it? Many of us have figured out how to decode advertising through the years, but new dieters often struggle. Nobody would guess she's maybe not American? The profile says 1,226 pounds to go - nobody would guess that may be a glitch due to not being used to the Imperial system? Where I live, Friday is a big pig-out day. And Fridays isn't just a day of the week: http://fridays.no/ Thanks for scaring off an 18 year old
:huh:
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