Stronglifts for Hypertrophy?
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Oh and then when you see some of these models, with these amazing physiques....and they have attained those physiques in like 1 - 3 yrs.....
You can be pretty sure that they were doing some gear.
Especially when they are scrawny as hell at 16 yrs old and then by the time they are 19 or 20, they are 40 pounds heavier, and carved out of stone.0 -
This is not possible in 3 years. Naturally.
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Well, that's a little disheartening. Although not entirely unexpected.0
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wolfsbayne wrote: »
It doesn't really (with minor exemptions made for the extremely genetic elite), and if they are in that sort of condition... a very long time. Lazar holds that physique all year round too.0 -
LolBroScience wrote: »keithcw_the_first wrote: »I'm just saying I think there's a false dichotomy between getting strong and getting heavy. This dude is heavy, strong, and doesn't have that powerlifter sloppiness that sometimes happens.
Yes he's an Olympian and yes, he may be receiving assistance. But I think in the spirit of the linked article from T-Nation, that's par for the course in this mostly theoretical discussion.
Ah, ok gotcha.
There are some very aesthetic powerlifters out there as well however, especially in the lower weight classes:
Jessi Norris
Damien Pezzuti
Countless others....Many dual sport athletes such as the above
Tnation is mostly garbage articles... Rarely do they contribute quality now days.
Agreed - but the article was by Shoenfeld and Contreras who apply evidence based knowledge as well as a wealth of experience personally and as coached- it seems to have been taken out of context however. The type of training and the way they train is the main gist. Same as bb'ers now taking things from PL'er training, PL'ers are taking things from BB'er training.
Layne Norton is a great example - won his weight class USAPL Nationals (which was extremely competitive) as well as his obvious BB'ing success. The natty thing...hmmmmm...
Another one is Alberto Nunez (who is natty) - he competed at USAPL Nationals a week after a BB'ing show IIRC so he was uber lean. Did pretty well too.0 -
LolBroScience wrote: »keithcw_the_first wrote: »I'm just saying I think there's a false dichotomy between getting strong and getting heavy. This dude is heavy, strong, and doesn't have that powerlifter sloppiness that sometimes happens.
Yes he's an Olympian and yes, he may be receiving assistance. But I think in the spirit of the linked article from T-Nation, that's par for the course in this mostly theoretical discussion.
Ah, ok gotcha.
There are some very aesthetic powerlifters out there as well however, especially in the lower weight classes:
Jessi Norris
Damien Pezzuti
Countless others....Many dual sport athletes such as the above
Tnation is mostly garbage articles... Rarely do they contribute quality now days.
Agreed - but the article was by Shoenfeld and Contreras who apply evidence based knowledge as well as a wealth of experience personally and as coached- it seems to have been taken out of context however. The type of training and the way they train is the main gist. Same as bb'ers now taking things from PL'er training, PL'ers are taking things from BB'er training.
Layne Norton is a great example - won USAPL Nationals as well as his obvious BB'ing success.
Another one is Alberto Nunez (who is natty) - he competed at USAPL Nationals a week after a BB'ing show IIRC so he was uber lean. Did pretty well too.
Why you always quote me and confuse me?
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LolBroScience wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »keithcw_the_first wrote: »I'm just saying I think there's a false dichotomy between getting strong and getting heavy. This dude is heavy, strong, and doesn't have that powerlifter sloppiness that sometimes happens.
Yes he's an Olympian and yes, he may be receiving assistance. But I think in the spirit of the linked article from T-Nation, that's par for the course in this mostly theoretical discussion.
Ah, ok gotcha.
There are some very aesthetic powerlifters out there as well however, especially in the lower weight classes:
Jessi Norris
Damien Pezzuti
Countless others....Many dual sport athletes such as the above
Tnation is mostly garbage articles... Rarely do they contribute quality now days.
Agreed - but the article was by Shoenfeld and Contreras who apply evidence based knowledge as well as a wealth of experience personally and as coached- it seems to have been taken out of context however. The type of training and the way they train is the main gist. Same as bb'ers now taking things from PL'er training, PL'ers are taking things from BB'er training.
Layne Norton is a great example - won USAPL Nationals as well as his obvious BB'ing success.
Another one is Alberto Nunez (who is natty) - he competed at USAPL Nationals a week after a BB'ing show IIRC so he was uber lean. Did pretty well too.
Why you always quote me and confuse me
Coz I am stalking you obvi...
ETA: I need to be clearer that I am agreeing with you and not busting yo nutz0 -
LolBroScience wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »keithcw_the_first wrote: »I'm just saying I think there's a false dichotomy between getting strong and getting heavy. This dude is heavy, strong, and doesn't have that powerlifter sloppiness that sometimes happens.
Yes he's an Olympian and yes, he may be receiving assistance. But I think in the spirit of the linked article from T-Nation, that's par for the course in this mostly theoretical discussion.
Ah, ok gotcha.
There are some very aesthetic powerlifters out there as well however, especially in the lower weight classes:
Jessi Norris
Damien Pezzuti
Countless others....Many dual sport athletes such as the above
Tnation is mostly garbage articles... Rarely do they contribute quality now days.
Agreed - but the article was by Shoenfeld and Contreras who apply evidence based knowledge as well as a wealth of experience personally and as coached- it seems to have been taken out of context however. The type of training and the way they train is the main gist. Same as bb'ers now taking things from PL'er training, PL'ers are taking things from BB'er training.
Layne Norton is a great example - won USAPL Nationals as well as his obvious BB'ing success.
Another one is Alberto Nunez (who is natty) - he competed at USAPL Nationals a week after a BB'ing show IIRC so he was uber lean. Did pretty well too.
Why you always quote me and confuse me
Coz I am stalking you obvi...
Stalk me to my face plz.
But, I assume you were replying to the person that I was quoting and not me, rite?0 -
Das it mane.0
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LolBroScience wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »keithcw_the_first wrote: »I'm just saying I think there's a false dichotomy between getting strong and getting heavy. This dude is heavy, strong, and doesn't have that powerlifter sloppiness that sometimes happens.
Yes he's an Olympian and yes, he may be receiving assistance. But I think in the spirit of the linked article from T-Nation, that's par for the course in this mostly theoretical discussion.
Ah, ok gotcha.
There are some very aesthetic powerlifters out there as well however, especially in the lower weight classes:
Jessi Norris
Damien Pezzuti
Countless others....Many dual sport athletes such as the above
Tnation is mostly garbage articles... Rarely do they contribute quality now days.
Agreed - but the article was by Shoenfeld and Contreras who apply evidence based knowledge as well as a wealth of experience personally and as coached- it seems to have been taken out of context however. The type of training and the way they train is the main gist. Same as bb'ers now taking things from PL'er training, PL'ers are taking things from BB'er training.
Layne Norton is a great example - won USAPL Nationals as well as his obvious BB'ing success.
Another one is Alberto Nunez (who is natty) - he competed at USAPL Nationals a week after a BB'ing show IIRC so he was uber lean. Did pretty well too.
Why you always quote me and confuse me
Coz I am stalking you obvi...
Stalk me to my face plz
I could so FIFY that.....but its a family show, so I will not.0 -
LolBroScience wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »keithcw_the_first wrote: »I'm just saying I think there's a false dichotomy between getting strong and getting heavy. This dude is heavy, strong, and doesn't have that powerlifter sloppiness that sometimes happens.
Yes he's an Olympian and yes, he may be receiving assistance. But I think in the spirit of the linked article from T-Nation, that's par for the course in this mostly theoretical discussion.
Ah, ok gotcha.
There are some very aesthetic powerlifters out there as well however, especially in the lower weight classes:
Jessi Norris
Damien Pezzuti
Countless others....Many dual sport athletes such as the above
Tnation is mostly garbage articles... Rarely do they contribute quality now days.
Agreed - but the article was by Shoenfeld and Contreras who apply evidence based knowledge as well as a wealth of experience personally and as coached- it seems to have been taken out of context however. The type of training and the way they train is the main gist. Same as bb'ers now taking things from PL'er training, PL'ers are taking things from BB'er training.
Layne Norton is a great example - won USAPL Nationals as well as his obvious BB'ing success.
Another one is Alberto Nunez (who is natty) - he competed at USAPL Nationals a week after a BB'ing show IIRC so he was uber lean. Did pretty well too.
Why you always quote me and confuse me
Coz I am stalking you obvi...
Stalk me to my face plz.
But, I assume you were replying to the person that I was quoting and not me, rite?
I was clarifying the t-nation article - and agreeing with you (I need to be clearer as I keep quoting you and end up looking like I am disagreeing when I am not :flowerforyou:.0 -
wolfsbayne wrote: »
I would say a long time.
He is about 30 right now, born in 1984, 5'9", and weighs between 194 - 205 (THAT IS HUGE FOR a 5'9" guy)
I saw one place that said he got into lifting around 2006...if the 2010 pic is accurate, then who knows really.
I myself have been lifting religiously since Feb. of 95, so just over 20 yrs now.
I am 6'1" and currently weigh in at 175, my heaviest ever was 196, and wasn't muscle.
I graduated HS at 17, 6'0" and 135 lbs. So in 20 yrs, I have put on 40 pounds...of which I would say 30 - 35 of it is muscle.
Me in July 2013 ~183 lbs
Me in July 2014, ~172 lbs
So that was 19 yrs of lifting.
Keep in mind, that back in the day, Arnold was 6'2" and 220 lbs when on stage.
And we know he used roids.0
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