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Lol. You have no clue what you're talking about. Now you're talking about cookies. Right, I'm sure the person doing 500 calories is eating cookies.UltimateRBF wrote: »500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised. The reason people say don't go below 800 or 1200 or 1500 calories isn't because you need a certain number of calories while losing weight. It's because it's easier to get enough nutrients in that amount of food.
If the doctor is supervising, making sure she's not deficient in any nutrients, providing supplements, and making sure she's not doing any strenuous activities, then a 500 calorie diet isn't that big of a deal.
Her biggest issue is going to be keeping the weight off because she didn't learn to eat properly.
Yes it is, that's why they have to be medically supervised. Please don't make statements like the bolded ones.
A medically supervised 500 calorie diet is arguably less dangerous than an unsupervised 1200 calorie diet. You can still be malnourished eating more calories. Again, it's not the calories that matter here. it's the nutrients. One of the reasons people on unsupervised VLCDs end up dying is because their heart stops from having a potassium deficiency. This is easily remedied when you're being supervised by a doctor and getting blood tests every couple weeks.
I'm not sure if you have a reading comprehension problem or what, but since I added the qualifier "if" in the statement "500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised" that implies that it is dangerous if done alone, but the risk disappears if you're being supervised. And that is absolutely true.
That is completely false. Just because a doctor puts you on that diet doesn't eliminate the risks. You think no doctor has ever made the wrong decision, diagnosis, maybe given the wrong medication? Just because you have MD in the title doesn't mean anything you tell a patient to so is correct or safe. So you are 100% wrong.
You went ahead and said someone has a reading comprehension issue but then you said something like that. Just mind blowing.UltimateRBF wrote: »500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised. The reason people say don't go below 800 or 1200 or 1500 calories isn't because you need a certain number of calories while losing weight. It's because it's easier to get enough nutrients in that amount of food.
If the doctor is supervising, making sure she's not deficient in any nutrients, providing supplements, and making sure she's not doing any strenuous activities, then a 500 calorie diet isn't that big of a deal.
Her biggest issue is going to be keeping the weight off because she didn't learn to eat properly.
Yes it is, that's why they have to be medically supervised. Please don't make statements like the bolded ones.roselover58 wrote: »it could be the Hcg injections - the doctor does them. While on the injections, you eat 500 to 1000 calories a day (depends on several factors); the Hcg causes the body to burn about 2,500 to 3,000 calories. You can be on it for no more than 40 days, and then the following 21 days, you continue to not eat starch and sugar, but your caloric intake is back to 1,500 to 1,800 calories.
...and I not a doctor (MD), but I am a nutritionist.
Where did you recieve your qualifications as a nutritionist? Because holy crap.
+1 did you read my post? But hey yeah no big deal, hair falling out, fainting and landing up in a heap on the floor no big deal, oh and I forgot palpitations too
All of which have nothing to do with calories and everything to do with being malnourished. Lack of protein = hair falling out. Heart palpitations = most likely electrolyte imbalance/dehydration. Fainting = also most likely electrolyte imbalance/dehydration. Some protein, calcium, potassium, sodium, and increase water intake would have solved all of your problems. None of which require increasing calories.
Just because you had a bad doctor who didn't adequately supervise you doesn't mean that no doctor would adequately supervise someone.
You said a doctor supervising eliminates the risk and now you admit a doctor can be bad. Right, not about calories. Lack of protein requires no need to increase calories in order to increase protein. Wow.
Lack of protein doesn't require a caloric increase. It just may mean you need to eat chicken instead of cookies.
Yeah because it's completely unheard of for someone to be eating nothing but junk when on a diet. And the fact that her hair was falling out and she had a couple of symptoms of dehydration must mean she was eating nothing but nutrient dense foods, huh?
Fainting also happens to be a symptom of low blood glucose.
Nope, it does not completely disappear.UltimateRBF wrote: »500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised. The reason people say don't go below 800 or 1200 or 1500 calories isn't because you need a certain number of calories while losing weight. It's because it's easier to get enough nutrients in that amount of food.
If the doctor is supervising, making sure she's not deficient in any nutrients, providing supplements, and making sure she's not doing any strenuous activities, then a 500 calorie diet isn't that big of a deal.
Her biggest issue is going to be keeping the weight off because she didn't learn to eat properly.
Yes it is, that's why they have to be medically supervised. Please don't make statements like the bolded ones.
A medically supervised 500 calorie diet is arguably less dangerous than an unsupervised 1200 calorie diet. You can still be malnourished eating more calories. Again, it's not the calories that matter here. it's the nutrients. One of the reasons people on unsupervised VLCDs end up dying is because their heart stops from having a potassium deficiency. This is easily remedied when you're being supervised by a doctor and getting blood tests every couple weeks.
I'm not sure if you have a reading comprehension problem or what, but since I added the qualifier "if" in the statement "500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised" that implies that it is dangerous if done alone, but the risk disappears if you're being supervised. And that is absolutely true.
Even if you are not diabetic, a severely low Intake can be dangerous. Most people realize this when they get lightheaded or dizzy, but others continue to push through. Would you like to know what happens if your blood glucose drops? You become altered and confused. As it continues to drop, you risk passing out and/or becoming unresponsive. You can even die if it drops too low. No, BGL is NOt just a concern for diabetics. Anyones BGL can drop. Glucose level chnaged through out the day so just having a blood test every few weeks would not be sufficient monitoring. Potassium is not the only thing to worry about.
Your body can continue to regulate blood sugar through gluconeogenesis. In healthy people, it wouldn't be an issue. I work as a chemist for a pharmaceutical company. I'm pretty sure I know how hypoglycemia works considering I work with insulin every day.
I said nothing about how the body regulates blood sugar, or what kind of macros one needs to consume. If you are getting a dangerously low amount of calories, regardless of the macro makeup, there is going to come a point where your body can no longer perform those functions and your BGL will drop.
Yes, this is still a risk for healthy people (which, if you are obese, not really sure you fit into the "healthy" category. Vlcd are dangerous.
Actually your body would start breaking down your muscle and turning it into glucose if you stopped consuming anything at all. Gluconeogenesis can actually cause your blood glucose to increase beyond what is normal.
You do realize that your heart is muscle right?
Happens with skeletal muscle. Sorry I wasn't clear.0 -
Lol. You have no clue what you're talking about. Now you're talking about cookies. Right, I'm sure the person doing 500 calories is eating cookies.UltimateRBF wrote: »500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised. The reason people say don't go below 800 or 1200 or 1500 calories isn't because you need a certain number of calories while losing weight. It's because it's easier to get enough nutrients in that amount of food.
If the doctor is supervising, making sure she's not deficient in any nutrients, providing supplements, and making sure she's not doing any strenuous activities, then a 500 calorie diet isn't that big of a deal.
Her biggest issue is going to be keeping the weight off because she didn't learn to eat properly.
Yes it is, that's why they have to be medically supervised. Please don't make statements like the bolded ones.
A medically supervised 500 calorie diet is arguably less dangerous than an unsupervised 1200 calorie diet. You can still be malnourished eating more calories. Again, it's not the calories that matter here. it's the nutrients. One of the reasons people on unsupervised VLCDs end up dying is because their heart stops from having a potassium deficiency. This is easily remedied when you're being supervised by a doctor and getting blood tests every couple weeks.
I'm not sure if you have a reading comprehension problem or what, but since I added the qualifier "if" in the statement "500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised" that implies that it is dangerous if done alone, but the risk disappears if you're being supervised. And that is absolutely true.
That is completely false. Just because a doctor puts you on that diet doesn't eliminate the risks. You think no doctor has ever made the wrong decision, diagnosis, maybe given the wrong medication? Just because you have MD in the title doesn't mean anything you tell a patient to so is correct or safe. So you are 100% wrong.
You went ahead and said someone has a reading comprehension issue but then you said something like that. Just mind blowing.UltimateRBF wrote: »500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised. The reason people say don't go below 800 or 1200 or 1500 calories isn't because you need a certain number of calories while losing weight. It's because it's easier to get enough nutrients in that amount of food.
If the doctor is supervising, making sure she's not deficient in any nutrients, providing supplements, and making sure she's not doing any strenuous activities, then a 500 calorie diet isn't that big of a deal.
Her biggest issue is going to be keeping the weight off because she didn't learn to eat properly.
Yes it is, that's why they have to be medically supervised. Please don't make statements like the bolded ones.roselover58 wrote: »it could be the Hcg injections - the doctor does them. While on the injections, you eat 500 to 1000 calories a day (depends on several factors); the Hcg causes the body to burn about 2,500 to 3,000 calories. You can be on it for no more than 40 days, and then the following 21 days, you continue to not eat starch and sugar, but your caloric intake is back to 1,500 to 1,800 calories.
...and I not a doctor (MD), but I am a nutritionist.
Where did you recieve your qualifications as a nutritionist? Because holy crap.
+1 did you read my post? But hey yeah no big deal, hair falling out, fainting and landing up in a heap on the floor no big deal, oh and I forgot palpitations too
All of which have nothing to do with calories and everything to do with being malnourished. Lack of protein = hair falling out. Heart palpitations = most likely electrolyte imbalance/dehydration. Fainting = also most likely electrolyte imbalance/dehydration. Some protein, calcium, potassium, sodium, and increase water intake would have solved all of your problems. None of which require increasing calories.
Just because you had a bad doctor who didn't adequately supervise you doesn't mean that no doctor would adequately supervise someone.
You said a doctor supervising eliminates the risk and now you admit a doctor can be bad. Right, not about calories. Lack of protein requires no need to increase calories in order to increase protein. Wow.
Lack of protein doesn't require a caloric increase. It just may mean you need to eat chicken instead of cookies.
Yeah because it's completely unheard of for someone to be eating nothing but junk when on a diet. And the fact that her hair was falling out and she had a couple of symptoms of dehydration must mean she was eating nothing but nutrient dense foods, huh?
Fainting also happens to be a symptom of low blood glucose.
Nope, it does not completely disappear.UltimateRBF wrote: »500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised. The reason people say don't go below 800 or 1200 or 1500 calories isn't because you need a certain number of calories while losing weight. It's because it's easier to get enough nutrients in that amount of food.
If the doctor is supervising, making sure she's not deficient in any nutrients, providing supplements, and making sure she's not doing any strenuous activities, then a 500 calorie diet isn't that big of a deal.
Her biggest issue is going to be keeping the weight off because she didn't learn to eat properly.
Yes it is, that's why they have to be medically supervised. Please don't make statements like the bolded ones.
A medically supervised 500 calorie diet is arguably less dangerous than an unsupervised 1200 calorie diet. You can still be malnourished eating more calories. Again, it's not the calories that matter here. it's the nutrients. One of the reasons people on unsupervised VLCDs end up dying is because their heart stops from having a potassium deficiency. This is easily remedied when you're being supervised by a doctor and getting blood tests every couple weeks.
I'm not sure if you have a reading comprehension problem or what, but since I added the qualifier "if" in the statement "500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised" that implies that it is dangerous if done alone, but the risk disappears if you're being supervised. And that is absolutely true.
Even if you are not diabetic, a severely low Intake can be dangerous. Most people realize this when they get lightheaded or dizzy, but others continue to push through. Would you like to know what happens if your blood glucose drops? You become altered and confused. As it continues to drop, you risk passing out and/or becoming unresponsive. You can even die if it drops too low. No, BGL is NOt just a concern for diabetics. Anyones BGL can drop. Glucose level chnaged through out the day so just having a blood test every few weeks would not be sufficient monitoring. Potassium is not the only thing to worry about.
Your body can continue to regulate blood sugar through gluconeogenesis. In healthy people, it wouldn't be an issue. I work as a chemist for a pharmaceutical company. I'm pretty sure I know how hypoglycemia works considering I work with insulin every day.
I said nothing about how the body regulates blood sugar, or what kind of macros one needs to consume. If you are getting a dangerously low amount of calories, regardless of the macro makeup, there is going to come a point where your body can no longer perform those functions and your BGL will drop.
Yes, this is still a risk for healthy people (which, if you are obese, not really sure you fit into the "healthy" category. Vlcd are dangerous.
Actually your body would start breaking down your muscle and turning it into glucose if you stopped consuming anything at all. Gluconeogenesis can actually cause your blood glucose to increase beyond what is normal.
You do realize that your heart is muscle right?
Skeletal muscle.
Nope, that's not how this works.
Also- there comes a point in time where your body can no longer handle such an extreme deficit and will perish.
By your logic, no one would ever starve to death.0 -
Lol. You have no clue what you're talking about. Now you're talking about cookies. Right, I'm sure the person doing 500 calories is eating cookies.UltimateRBF wrote: »500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised. The reason people say don't go below 800 or 1200 or 1500 calories isn't because you need a certain number of calories while losing weight. It's because it's easier to get enough nutrients in that amount of food.
If the doctor is supervising, making sure she's not deficient in any nutrients, providing supplements, and making sure she's not doing any strenuous activities, then a 500 calorie diet isn't that big of a deal.
Her biggest issue is going to be keeping the weight off because she didn't learn to eat properly.
Yes it is, that's why they have to be medically supervised. Please don't make statements like the bolded ones.
A medically supervised 500 calorie diet is arguably less dangerous than an unsupervised 1200 calorie diet. You can still be malnourished eating more calories. Again, it's not the calories that matter here. it's the nutrients. One of the reasons people on unsupervised VLCDs end up dying is because their heart stops from having a potassium deficiency. This is easily remedied when you're being supervised by a doctor and getting blood tests every couple weeks.
I'm not sure if you have a reading comprehension problem or what, but since I added the qualifier "if" in the statement "500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised" that implies that it is dangerous if done alone, but the risk disappears if you're being supervised. And that is absolutely true.
That is completely false. Just because a doctor puts you on that diet doesn't eliminate the risks. You think no doctor has ever made the wrong decision, diagnosis, maybe given the wrong medication? Just because you have MD in the title doesn't mean anything you tell a patient to so is correct or safe. So you are 100% wrong.
You went ahead and said someone has a reading comprehension issue but then you said something like that. Just mind blowing.UltimateRBF wrote: »500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised. The reason people say don't go below 800 or 1200 or 1500 calories isn't because you need a certain number of calories while losing weight. It's because it's easier to get enough nutrients in that amount of food.
If the doctor is supervising, making sure she's not deficient in any nutrients, providing supplements, and making sure she's not doing any strenuous activities, then a 500 calorie diet isn't that big of a deal.
Her biggest issue is going to be keeping the weight off because she didn't learn to eat properly.
Yes it is, that's why they have to be medically supervised. Please don't make statements like the bolded ones.roselover58 wrote: »it could be the Hcg injections - the doctor does them. While on the injections, you eat 500 to 1000 calories a day (depends on several factors); the Hcg causes the body to burn about 2,500 to 3,000 calories. You can be on it for no more than 40 days, and then the following 21 days, you continue to not eat starch and sugar, but your caloric intake is back to 1,500 to 1,800 calories.
...and I not a doctor (MD), but I am a nutritionist.
Where did you recieve your qualifications as a nutritionist? Because holy crap.
+1 did you read my post? But hey yeah no big deal, hair falling out, fainting and landing up in a heap on the floor no big deal, oh and I forgot palpitations too
All of which have nothing to do with calories and everything to do with being malnourished. Lack of protein = hair falling out. Heart palpitations = most likely electrolyte imbalance/dehydration. Fainting = also most likely electrolyte imbalance/dehydration. Some protein, calcium, potassium, sodium, and increase water intake would have solved all of your problems. None of which require increasing calories.
Just because you had a bad doctor who didn't adequately supervise you doesn't mean that no doctor would adequately supervise someone.
You said a doctor supervising eliminates the risk and now you admit a doctor can be bad. Right, not about calories. Lack of protein requires no need to increase calories in order to increase protein. Wow.
Lack of protein doesn't require a caloric increase. It just may mean you need to eat chicken instead of cookies.
Yeah because it's completely unheard of for someone to be eating nothing but junk when on a diet. And the fact that her hair was falling out and she had a couple of symptoms of dehydration must mean she was eating nothing but nutrient dense foods, huh?
Yeah okay, so how many people have you met doing a 500 calorie diet supervised by a doctor eating nothing but "junk"?
How many people have you heard of who ignore their doctor's orders? You're an EMT. You know perfectly well that many people are noncompliant.0 -
But they'd still be eating the 500 calories?
Lol. You have no clue what you're talking about. Now you're talking about cookies. Right, I'm sure the person doing 500 calories is eating cookies.UltimateRBF wrote: »500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised. The reason people say don't go below 800 or 1200 or 1500 calories isn't because you need a certain number of calories while losing weight. It's because it's easier to get enough nutrients in that amount of food.
If the doctor is supervising, making sure she's not deficient in any nutrients, providing supplements, and making sure she's not doing any strenuous activities, then a 500 calorie diet isn't that big of a deal.
Her biggest issue is going to be keeping the weight off because she didn't learn to eat properly.
Yes it is, that's why they have to be medically supervised. Please don't make statements like the bolded ones.
A medically supervised 500 calorie diet is arguably less dangerous than an unsupervised 1200 calorie diet. You can still be malnourished eating more calories. Again, it's not the calories that matter here. it's the nutrients. One of the reasons people on unsupervised VLCDs end up dying is because their heart stops from having a potassium deficiency. This is easily remedied when you're being supervised by a doctor and getting blood tests every couple weeks.
I'm not sure if you have a reading comprehension problem or what, but since I added the qualifier "if" in the statement "500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised" that implies that it is dangerous if done alone, but the risk disappears if you're being supervised. And that is absolutely true.
That is completely false. Just because a doctor puts you on that diet doesn't eliminate the risks. You think no doctor has ever made the wrong decision, diagnosis, maybe given the wrong medication? Just because you have MD in the title doesn't mean anything you tell a patient to so is correct or safe. So you are 100% wrong.
You went ahead and said someone has a reading comprehension issue but then you said something like that. Just mind blowing.UltimateRBF wrote: »500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised. The reason people say don't go below 800 or 1200 or 1500 calories isn't because you need a certain number of calories while losing weight. It's because it's easier to get enough nutrients in that amount of food.
If the doctor is supervising, making sure she's not deficient in any nutrients, providing supplements, and making sure she's not doing any strenuous activities, then a 500 calorie diet isn't that big of a deal.
Her biggest issue is going to be keeping the weight off because she didn't learn to eat properly.
Yes it is, that's why they have to be medically supervised. Please don't make statements like the bolded ones.roselover58 wrote: »it could be the Hcg injections - the doctor does them. While on the injections, you eat 500 to 1000 calories a day (depends on several factors); the Hcg causes the body to burn about 2,500 to 3,000 calories. You can be on it for no more than 40 days, and then the following 21 days, you continue to not eat starch and sugar, but your caloric intake is back to 1,500 to 1,800 calories.
...and I not a doctor (MD), but I am a nutritionist.
Where did you recieve your qualifications as a nutritionist? Because holy crap.
+1 did you read my post? But hey yeah no big deal, hair falling out, fainting and landing up in a heap on the floor no big deal, oh and I forgot palpitations too
All of which have nothing to do with calories and everything to do with being malnourished. Lack of protein = hair falling out. Heart palpitations = most likely electrolyte imbalance/dehydration. Fainting = also most likely electrolyte imbalance/dehydration. Some protein, calcium, potassium, sodium, and increase water intake would have solved all of your problems. None of which require increasing calories.
Just because you had a bad doctor who didn't adequately supervise you doesn't mean that no doctor would adequately supervise someone.
You said a doctor supervising eliminates the risk and now you admit a doctor can be bad. Right, not about calories. Lack of protein requires no need to increase calories in order to increase protein. Wow.
Lack of protein doesn't require a caloric increase. It just may mean you need to eat chicken instead of cookies.
Yeah because it's completely unheard of for someone to be eating nothing but junk when on a diet. And the fact that her hair was falling out and she had a couple of symptoms of dehydration must mean she was eating nothing but nutrient dense foods, huh?
Yeah okay, so how many people have you met doing a 500 calorie diet supervised by a doctor eating nothing but "junk"?
How many people have you heard of who ignore their doctor's orders? You're an EMT. You know perfectly well that many people are noncompliant.
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Lol. You have no clue what you're talking about. Now you're talking about cookies. Right, I'm sure the person doing 500 calories is eating cookies.UltimateRBF wrote: »500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised. The reason people say don't go below 800 or 1200 or 1500 calories isn't because you need a certain number of calories while losing weight. It's because it's easier to get enough nutrients in that amount of food.
If the doctor is supervising, making sure she's not deficient in any nutrients, providing supplements, and making sure she's not doing any strenuous activities, then a 500 calorie diet isn't that big of a deal.
Her biggest issue is going to be keeping the weight off because she didn't learn to eat properly.
Yes it is, that's why they have to be medically supervised. Please don't make statements like the bolded ones.
A medically supervised 500 calorie diet is arguably less dangerous than an unsupervised 1200 calorie diet. You can still be malnourished eating more calories. Again, it's not the calories that matter here. it's the nutrients. One of the reasons people on unsupervised VLCDs end up dying is because their heart stops from having a potassium deficiency. This is easily remedied when you're being supervised by a doctor and getting blood tests every couple weeks.
I'm not sure if you have a reading comprehension problem or what, but since I added the qualifier "if" in the statement "500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised" that implies that it is dangerous if done alone, but the risk disappears if you're being supervised. And that is absolutely true.
That is completely false. Just because a doctor puts you on that diet doesn't eliminate the risks. You think no doctor has ever made the wrong decision, diagnosis, maybe given the wrong medication? Just because you have MD in the title doesn't mean anything you tell a patient to so is correct or safe. So you are 100% wrong.
You went ahead and said someone has a reading comprehension issue but then you said something like that. Just mind blowing.UltimateRBF wrote: »500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised. The reason people say don't go below 800 or 1200 or 1500 calories isn't because you need a certain number of calories while losing weight. It's because it's easier to get enough nutrients in that amount of food.
If the doctor is supervising, making sure she's not deficient in any nutrients, providing supplements, and making sure she's not doing any strenuous activities, then a 500 calorie diet isn't that big of a deal.
Her biggest issue is going to be keeping the weight off because she didn't learn to eat properly.
Yes it is, that's why they have to be medically supervised. Please don't make statements like the bolded ones.roselover58 wrote: »it could be the Hcg injections - the doctor does them. While on the injections, you eat 500 to 1000 calories a day (depends on several factors); the Hcg causes the body to burn about 2,500 to 3,000 calories. You can be on it for no more than 40 days, and then the following 21 days, you continue to not eat starch and sugar, but your caloric intake is back to 1,500 to 1,800 calories.
...and I not a doctor (MD), but I am a nutritionist.
Where did you recieve your qualifications as a nutritionist? Because holy crap.
+1 did you read my post? But hey yeah no big deal, hair falling out, fainting and landing up in a heap on the floor no big deal, oh and I forgot palpitations too
All of which have nothing to do with calories and everything to do with being malnourished. Lack of protein = hair falling out. Heart palpitations = most likely electrolyte imbalance/dehydration. Fainting = also most likely electrolyte imbalance/dehydration. Some protein, calcium, potassium, sodium, and increase water intake would have solved all of your problems. None of which require increasing calories.
Just because you had a bad doctor who didn't adequately supervise you doesn't mean that no doctor would adequately supervise someone.
You said a doctor supervising eliminates the risk and now you admit a doctor can be bad. Right, not about calories. Lack of protein requires no need to increase calories in order to increase protein. Wow.
Lack of protein doesn't require a caloric increase. It just may mean you need to eat chicken instead of cookies.
Yeah because it's completely unheard of for someone to be eating nothing but junk when on a diet. And the fact that her hair was falling out and she had a couple of symptoms of dehydration must mean she was eating nothing but nutrient dense foods, huh?
Fainting also happens to be a symptom of low blood glucose.
Nope, it does not completely disappear.UltimateRBF wrote: »500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised. The reason people say don't go below 800 or 1200 or 1500 calories isn't because you need a certain number of calories while losing weight. It's because it's easier to get enough nutrients in that amount of food.
If the doctor is supervising, making sure she's not deficient in any nutrients, providing supplements, and making sure she's not doing any strenuous activities, then a 500 calorie diet isn't that big of a deal.
Her biggest issue is going to be keeping the weight off because she didn't learn to eat properly.
Yes it is, that's why they have to be medically supervised. Please don't make statements like the bolded ones.
A medically supervised 500 calorie diet is arguably less dangerous than an unsupervised 1200 calorie diet. You can still be malnourished eating more calories. Again, it's not the calories that matter here. it's the nutrients. One of the reasons people on unsupervised VLCDs end up dying is because their heart stops from having a potassium deficiency. This is easily remedied when you're being supervised by a doctor and getting blood tests every couple weeks.
I'm not sure if you have a reading comprehension problem or what, but since I added the qualifier "if" in the statement "500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised" that implies that it is dangerous if done alone, but the risk disappears if you're being supervised. And that is absolutely true.
Even if you are not diabetic, a severely low Intake can be dangerous. Most people realize this when they get lightheaded or dizzy, but others continue to push through. Would you like to know what happens if your blood glucose drops? You become altered and confused. As it continues to drop, you risk passing out and/or becoming unresponsive. You can even die if it drops too low. No, BGL is NOt just a concern for diabetics. Anyones BGL can drop. Glucose level chnaged through out the day so just having a blood test every few weeks would not be sufficient monitoring. Potassium is not the only thing to worry about.
Your body can continue to regulate blood sugar through gluconeogenesis. In healthy people, it wouldn't be an issue. I work as a chemist for a pharmaceutical company. I'm pretty sure I know how hypoglycemia works considering I work with insulin every day.
I said nothing about how the body regulates blood sugar, or what kind of macros one needs to consume. If you are getting a dangerously low amount of calories, regardless of the macro makeup, there is going to come a point where your body can no longer perform those functions and your BGL will drop.
Yes, this is still a risk for healthy people (which, if you are obese, not really sure you fit into the "healthy" category. Vlcd are dangerous.
Actually your body would start breaking down your muscle and turning it into glucose if you stopped consuming anything at all. Gluconeogenesis can actually cause your blood glucose to increase beyond what is normal.
You do realize that your heart is muscle right?
Skeletal muscle.
Nope, that's not how this works.
Also- there comes a point in time where your body can no longer handle such an extreme deficit and will perish.
By your logic, no one would ever starve to death.
Please show me where I said you can survive indefinitely. By my logic, people would waste away before dying which is exactly what happens.0 -
Lol. You have no clue what you're talking about. Now you're talking about cookies. Right, I'm sure the person doing 500 calories is eating cookies.UltimateRBF wrote: »500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised. The reason people say don't go below 800 or 1200 or 1500 calories isn't because you need a certain number of calories while losing weight. It's because it's easier to get enough nutrients in that amount of food.
If the doctor is supervising, making sure she's not deficient in any nutrients, providing supplements, and making sure she's not doing any strenuous activities, then a 500 calorie diet isn't that big of a deal.
Her biggest issue is going to be keeping the weight off because she didn't learn to eat properly.
Yes it is, that's why they have to be medically supervised. Please don't make statements like the bolded ones.
A medically supervised 500 calorie diet is arguably less dangerous than an unsupervised 1200 calorie diet. You can still be malnourished eating more calories. Again, it's not the calories that matter here. it's the nutrients. One of the reasons people on unsupervised VLCDs end up dying is because their heart stops from having a potassium deficiency. This is easily remedied when you're being supervised by a doctor and getting blood tests every couple weeks.
I'm not sure if you have a reading comprehension problem or what, but since I added the qualifier "if" in the statement "500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised" that implies that it is dangerous if done alone, but the risk disappears if you're being supervised. And that is absolutely true.
That is completely false. Just because a doctor puts you on that diet doesn't eliminate the risks. You think no doctor has ever made the wrong decision, diagnosis, maybe given the wrong medication? Just because you have MD in the title doesn't mean anything you tell a patient to so is correct or safe. So you are 100% wrong.
You went ahead and said someone has a reading comprehension issue but then you said something like that. Just mind blowing.UltimateRBF wrote: »500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised. The reason people say don't go below 800 or 1200 or 1500 calories isn't because you need a certain number of calories while losing weight. It's because it's easier to get enough nutrients in that amount of food.
If the doctor is supervising, making sure she's not deficient in any nutrients, providing supplements, and making sure she's not doing any strenuous activities, then a 500 calorie diet isn't that big of a deal.
Her biggest issue is going to be keeping the weight off because she didn't learn to eat properly.
Yes it is, that's why they have to be medically supervised. Please don't make statements like the bolded ones.roselover58 wrote: »it could be the Hcg injections - the doctor does them. While on the injections, you eat 500 to 1000 calories a day (depends on several factors); the Hcg causes the body to burn about 2,500 to 3,000 calories. You can be on it for no more than 40 days, and then the following 21 days, you continue to not eat starch and sugar, but your caloric intake is back to 1,500 to 1,800 calories.
...and I not a doctor (MD), but I am a nutritionist.
Where did you recieve your qualifications as a nutritionist? Because holy crap.
+1 did you read my post? But hey yeah no big deal, hair falling out, fainting and landing up in a heap on the floor no big deal, oh and I forgot palpitations too
All of which have nothing to do with calories and everything to do with being malnourished. Lack of protein = hair falling out. Heart palpitations = most likely electrolyte imbalance/dehydration. Fainting = also most likely electrolyte imbalance/dehydration. Some protein, calcium, potassium, sodium, and increase water intake would have solved all of your problems. None of which require increasing calories.
Just because you had a bad doctor who didn't adequately supervise you doesn't mean that no doctor would adequately supervise someone.
You said a doctor supervising eliminates the risk and now you admit a doctor can be bad. Right, not about calories. Lack of protein requires no need to increase calories in order to increase protein. Wow.
Lack of protein doesn't require a caloric increase. It just may mean you need to eat chicken instead of cookies.
Yeah because it's completely unheard of for someone to be eating nothing but junk when on a diet. And the fact that her hair was falling out and she had a couple of symptoms of dehydration must mean she was eating nothing but nutrient dense foods, huh?
Yeah okay, so how many people have you met doing a 500 calorie diet supervised by a doctor eating nothing but "junk"?
How many people have you heard of who ignore their doctor's orders? You're an EMT. You know perfectly well that many people are noncompliant.
So they are going to listen to the advice of eating 500 cals, but not listen to what they should eat to achieve it? Am I understanding you right?
Awsome!!!! Lol.
Lol. You have no clue what you're talking about. Now you're talking about cookies. Right, I'm sure the person doing 500 calories is eating cookies.UltimateRBF wrote: »500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised. The reason people say don't go below 800 or 1200 or 1500 calories isn't because you need a certain number of calories while losing weight. It's because it's easier to get enough nutrients in that amount of food.
If the doctor is supervising, making sure she's not deficient in any nutrients, providing supplements, and making sure she's not doing any strenuous activities, then a 500 calorie diet isn't that big of a deal.
Her biggest issue is going to be keeping the weight off because she didn't learn to eat properly.
Yes it is, that's why they have to be medically supervised. Please don't make statements like the bolded ones.
A medically supervised 500 calorie diet is arguably less dangerous than an unsupervised 1200 calorie diet. You can still be malnourished eating more calories. Again, it's not the calories that matter here. it's the nutrients. One of the reasons people on unsupervised VLCDs end up dying is because their heart stops from having a potassium deficiency. This is easily remedied when you're being supervised by a doctor and getting blood tests every couple weeks.
I'm not sure if you have a reading comprehension problem or what, but since I added the qualifier "if" in the statement "500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised" that implies that it is dangerous if done alone, but the risk disappears if you're being supervised. And that is absolutely true.
That is completely false. Just because a doctor puts you on that diet doesn't eliminate the risks. You think no doctor has ever made the wrong decision, diagnosis, maybe given the wrong medication? Just because you have MD in the title doesn't mean anything you tell a patient to so is correct or safe. So you are 100% wrong.
You went ahead and said someone has a reading comprehension issue but then you said something like that. Just mind blowing.UltimateRBF wrote: »500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised. The reason people say don't go below 800 or 1200 or 1500 calories isn't because you need a certain number of calories while losing weight. It's because it's easier to get enough nutrients in that amount of food.
If the doctor is supervising, making sure she's not deficient in any nutrients, providing supplements, and making sure she's not doing any strenuous activities, then a 500 calorie diet isn't that big of a deal.
Her biggest issue is going to be keeping the weight off because she didn't learn to eat properly.
Yes it is, that's why they have to be medically supervised. Please don't make statements like the bolded ones.roselover58 wrote: »it could be the Hcg injections - the doctor does them. While on the injections, you eat 500 to 1000 calories a day (depends on several factors); the Hcg causes the body to burn about 2,500 to 3,000 calories. You can be on it for no more than 40 days, and then the following 21 days, you continue to not eat starch and sugar, but your caloric intake is back to 1,500 to 1,800 calories.
...and I not a doctor (MD), but I am a nutritionist.
Where did you recieve your qualifications as a nutritionist? Because holy crap.
+1 did you read my post? But hey yeah no big deal, hair falling out, fainting and landing up in a heap on the floor no big deal, oh and I forgot palpitations too
All of which have nothing to do with calories and everything to do with being malnourished. Lack of protein = hair falling out. Heart palpitations = most likely electrolyte imbalance/dehydration. Fainting = also most likely electrolyte imbalance/dehydration. Some protein, calcium, potassium, sodium, and increase water intake would have solved all of your problems. None of which require increasing calories.
Just because you had a bad doctor who didn't adequately supervise you doesn't mean that no doctor would adequately supervise someone.
You said a doctor supervising eliminates the risk and now you admit a doctor can be bad. Right, not about calories. Lack of protein requires no need to increase calories in order to increase protein. Wow.
Lack of protein doesn't require a caloric increase. It just may mean you need to eat chicken instead of cookies.
Yeah because it's completely unheard of for someone to be eating nothing but junk when on a diet. And the fact that her hair was falling out and she had a couple of symptoms of dehydration must mean she was eating nothing but nutrient dense foods, huh?
Fainting also happens to be a symptom of low blood glucose.
Nope, it does not completely disappear.UltimateRBF wrote: »500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised. The reason people say don't go below 800 or 1200 or 1500 calories isn't because you need a certain number of calories while losing weight. It's because it's easier to get enough nutrients in that amount of food.
If the doctor is supervising, making sure she's not deficient in any nutrients, providing supplements, and making sure she's not doing any strenuous activities, then a 500 calorie diet isn't that big of a deal.
Her biggest issue is going to be keeping the weight off because she didn't learn to eat properly.
Yes it is, that's why they have to be medically supervised. Please don't make statements like the bolded ones.
A medically supervised 500 calorie diet is arguably less dangerous than an unsupervised 1200 calorie diet. You can still be malnourished eating more calories. Again, it's not the calories that matter here. it's the nutrients. One of the reasons people on unsupervised VLCDs end up dying is because their heart stops from having a potassium deficiency. This is easily remedied when you're being supervised by a doctor and getting blood tests every couple weeks.
I'm not sure if you have a reading comprehension problem or what, but since I added the qualifier "if" in the statement "500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised" that implies that it is dangerous if done alone, but the risk disappears if you're being supervised. And that is absolutely true.
Even if you are not diabetic, a severely low Intake can be dangerous. Most people realize this when they get lightheaded or dizzy, but others continue to push through. Would you like to know what happens if your blood glucose drops? You become altered and confused. As it continues to drop, you risk passing out and/or becoming unresponsive. You can even die if it drops too low. No, BGL is NOt just a concern for diabetics. Anyones BGL can drop. Glucose level chnaged through out the day so just having a blood test every few weeks would not be sufficient monitoring. Potassium is not the only thing to worry about.
Your body can continue to regulate blood sugar through gluconeogenesis. In healthy people, it wouldn't be an issue. I work as a chemist for a pharmaceutical company. I'm pretty sure I know how hypoglycemia works considering I work with insulin every day.
I said nothing about how the body regulates blood sugar, or what kind of macros one needs to consume. If you are getting a dangerously low amount of calories, regardless of the macro makeup, there is going to come a point where your body can no longer perform those functions and your BGL will drop.
Yes, this is still a risk for healthy people (which, if you are obese, not really sure you fit into the "healthy" category. Vlcd are dangerous.
Actually your body would start breaking down your muscle and turning it into glucose if you stopped consuming anything at all. Gluconeogenesis can actually cause your blood glucose to increase beyond what is normal.
You do realize that your heart is muscle right?
Skeletal muscle.
Nope, that's not how this works.
Also- there comes a point in time where your body can no longer handle such an extreme deficit and will perish.
By your logic, no one would ever starve to death.
Please show me where I said you can survive indefinitely. By my logic, people would waste away before dying which is exactly what happens.
Yeah, no. People can die long before they comepletely waste away. There is a reason d50 (glucose) is given to people in cardiac arrest. Would you care to try and negate that one?0 -
Lol. You have no clue what you're talking about. Now you're talking about cookies. Right, I'm sure the person doing 500 calories is eating cookies.UltimateRBF wrote: »500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised. The reason people say don't go below 800 or 1200 or 1500 calories isn't because you need a certain number of calories while losing weight. It's because it's easier to get enough nutrients in that amount of food.
If the doctor is supervising, making sure she's not deficient in any nutrients, providing supplements, and making sure she's not doing any strenuous activities, then a 500 calorie diet isn't that big of a deal.
Her biggest issue is going to be keeping the weight off because she didn't learn to eat properly.
Yes it is, that's why they have to be medically supervised. Please don't make statements like the bolded ones.
A medically supervised 500 calorie diet is arguably less dangerous than an unsupervised 1200 calorie diet. You can still be malnourished eating more calories. Again, it's not the calories that matter here. it's the nutrients. One of the reasons people on unsupervised VLCDs end up dying is because their heart stops from having a potassium deficiency. This is easily remedied when you're being supervised by a doctor and getting blood tests every couple weeks.
I'm not sure if you have a reading comprehension problem or what, but since I added the qualifier "if" in the statement "500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised" that implies that it is dangerous if done alone, but the risk disappears if you're being supervised. And that is absolutely true.
That is completely false. Just because a doctor puts you on that diet doesn't eliminate the risks. You think no doctor has ever made the wrong decision, diagnosis, maybe given the wrong medication? Just because you have MD in the title doesn't mean anything you tell a patient to so is correct or safe. So you are 100% wrong.
You went ahead and said someone has a reading comprehension issue but then you said something like that. Just mind blowing.UltimateRBF wrote: »500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised. The reason people say don't go below 800 or 1200 or 1500 calories isn't because you need a certain number of calories while losing weight. It's because it's easier to get enough nutrients in that amount of food.
If the doctor is supervising, making sure she's not deficient in any nutrients, providing supplements, and making sure she's not doing any strenuous activities, then a 500 calorie diet isn't that big of a deal.
Her biggest issue is going to be keeping the weight off because she didn't learn to eat properly.
Yes it is, that's why they have to be medically supervised. Please don't make statements like the bolded ones.roselover58 wrote: »it could be the Hcg injections - the doctor does them. While on the injections, you eat 500 to 1000 calories a day (depends on several factors); the Hcg causes the body to burn about 2,500 to 3,000 calories. You can be on it for no more than 40 days, and then the following 21 days, you continue to not eat starch and sugar, but your caloric intake is back to 1,500 to 1,800 calories.
...and I not a doctor (MD), but I am a nutritionist.
Where did you recieve your qualifications as a nutritionist? Because holy crap.
+1 did you read my post? But hey yeah no big deal, hair falling out, fainting and landing up in a heap on the floor no big deal, oh and I forgot palpitations too
All of which have nothing to do with calories and everything to do with being malnourished. Lack of protein = hair falling out. Heart palpitations = most likely electrolyte imbalance/dehydration. Fainting = also most likely electrolyte imbalance/dehydration. Some protein, calcium, potassium, sodium, and increase water intake would have solved all of your problems. None of which require increasing calories.
Just because you had a bad doctor who didn't adequately supervise you doesn't mean that no doctor would adequately supervise someone.
You said a doctor supervising eliminates the risk and now you admit a doctor can be bad. Right, not about calories. Lack of protein requires no need to increase calories in order to increase protein. Wow.
Lack of protein doesn't require a caloric increase. It just may mean you need to eat chicken instead of cookies.
Yeah because it's completely unheard of for someone to be eating nothing but junk when on a diet. And the fact that her hair was falling out and she had a couple of symptoms of dehydration must mean she was eating nothing but nutrient dense foods, huh?
Yeah okay, so how many people have you met doing a 500 calorie diet supervised by a doctor eating nothing but "junk"?
How many people have you heard of who ignore their doctor's orders? You're an EMT. You know perfectly well that many people are noncompliant.
You're moving goal posts. Stick to one thing at a time. People do that when their argument is weak.
Thanks for creeping my profile, I hope you enjoyed the pictures. I would look at yours but as usually is the case with people who come around making things that aren't valid, you have no profile at all.
You're the one that brought it up.
And yes I looked at your profile because your username looked familiar. I don't know what your obsession is with me, but you sure do try hard to find every post I make and comment.0 -
Lol. You have no clue what you're talking about. Now you're talking about cookies. Right, I'm sure the person doing 500 calories is eating cookies.UltimateRBF wrote: »500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised. The reason people say don't go below 800 or 1200 or 1500 calories isn't because you need a certain number of calories while losing weight. It's because it's easier to get enough nutrients in that amount of food.
If the doctor is supervising, making sure she's not deficient in any nutrients, providing supplements, and making sure she's not doing any strenuous activities, then a 500 calorie diet isn't that big of a deal.
Her biggest issue is going to be keeping the weight off because she didn't learn to eat properly.
Yes it is, that's why they have to be medically supervised. Please don't make statements like the bolded ones.
A medically supervised 500 calorie diet is arguably less dangerous than an unsupervised 1200 calorie diet. You can still be malnourished eating more calories. Again, it's not the calories that matter here. it's the nutrients. One of the reasons people on unsupervised VLCDs end up dying is because their heart stops from having a potassium deficiency. This is easily remedied when you're being supervised by a doctor and getting blood tests every couple weeks.
I'm not sure if you have a reading comprehension problem or what, but since I added the qualifier "if" in the statement "500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised" that implies that it is dangerous if done alone, but the risk disappears if you're being supervised. And that is absolutely true.
That is completely false. Just because a doctor puts you on that diet doesn't eliminate the risks. You think no doctor has ever made the wrong decision, diagnosis, maybe given the wrong medication? Just because you have MD in the title doesn't mean anything you tell a patient to so is correct or safe. So you are 100% wrong.
You went ahead and said someone has a reading comprehension issue but then you said something like that. Just mind blowing.UltimateRBF wrote: »500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised. The reason people say don't go below 800 or 1200 or 1500 calories isn't because you need a certain number of calories while losing weight. It's because it's easier to get enough nutrients in that amount of food.
If the doctor is supervising, making sure she's not deficient in any nutrients, providing supplements, and making sure she's not doing any strenuous activities, then a 500 calorie diet isn't that big of a deal.
Her biggest issue is going to be keeping the weight off because she didn't learn to eat properly.
Yes it is, that's why they have to be medically supervised. Please don't make statements like the bolded ones.roselover58 wrote: »it could be the Hcg injections - the doctor does them. While on the injections, you eat 500 to 1000 calories a day (depends on several factors); the Hcg causes the body to burn about 2,500 to 3,000 calories. You can be on it for no more than 40 days, and then the following 21 days, you continue to not eat starch and sugar, but your caloric intake is back to 1,500 to 1,800 calories.
...and I not a doctor (MD), but I am a nutritionist.
Where did you recieve your qualifications as a nutritionist? Because holy crap.
+1 did you read my post? But hey yeah no big deal, hair falling out, fainting and landing up in a heap on the floor no big deal, oh and I forgot palpitations too
All of which have nothing to do with calories and everything to do with being malnourished. Lack of protein = hair falling out. Heart palpitations = most likely electrolyte imbalance/dehydration. Fainting = also most likely electrolyte imbalance/dehydration. Some protein, calcium, potassium, sodium, and increase water intake would have solved all of your problems. None of which require increasing calories.
Just because you had a bad doctor who didn't adequately supervise you doesn't mean that no doctor would adequately supervise someone.
You said a doctor supervising eliminates the risk and now you admit a doctor can be bad. Right, not about calories. Lack of protein requires no need to increase calories in order to increase protein. Wow.
Lack of protein doesn't require a caloric increase. It just may mean you need to eat chicken instead of cookies.
Yeah because it's completely unheard of for someone to be eating nothing but junk when on a diet. And the fact that her hair was falling out and she had a couple of symptoms of dehydration must mean she was eating nothing but nutrient dense foods, huh?
Yeah okay, so how many people have you met doing a 500 calorie diet supervised by a doctor eating nothing but "junk"?
How many people have you heard of who ignore their doctor's orders? You're an EMT. You know perfectly well that many people are noncompliant.
So they are going to listen to the advice of eating 500 cals, but not listen to what they should eat to achieve it? Am I understanding you right?
Awsome!!!! Lol.
Lol. You have no clue what you're talking about. Now you're talking about cookies. Right, I'm sure the person doing 500 calories is eating cookies.UltimateRBF wrote: »500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised. The reason people say don't go below 800 or 1200 or 1500 calories isn't because you need a certain number of calories while losing weight. It's because it's easier to get enough nutrients in that amount of food.
If the doctor is supervising, making sure she's not deficient in any nutrients, providing supplements, and making sure she's not doing any strenuous activities, then a 500 calorie diet isn't that big of a deal.
Her biggest issue is going to be keeping the weight off because she didn't learn to eat properly.
Yes it is, that's why they have to be medically supervised. Please don't make statements like the bolded ones.
A medically supervised 500 calorie diet is arguably less dangerous than an unsupervised 1200 calorie diet. You can still be malnourished eating more calories. Again, it's not the calories that matter here. it's the nutrients. One of the reasons people on unsupervised VLCDs end up dying is because their heart stops from having a potassium deficiency. This is easily remedied when you're being supervised by a doctor and getting blood tests every couple weeks.
I'm not sure if you have a reading comprehension problem or what, but since I added the qualifier "if" in the statement "500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised" that implies that it is dangerous if done alone, but the risk disappears if you're being supervised. And that is absolutely true.
That is completely false. Just because a doctor puts you on that diet doesn't eliminate the risks. You think no doctor has ever made the wrong decision, diagnosis, maybe given the wrong medication? Just because you have MD in the title doesn't mean anything you tell a patient to so is correct or safe. So you are 100% wrong.
You went ahead and said someone has a reading comprehension issue but then you said something like that. Just mind blowing.UltimateRBF wrote: »500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised. The reason people say don't go below 800 or 1200 or 1500 calories isn't because you need a certain number of calories while losing weight. It's because it's easier to get enough nutrients in that amount of food.
If the doctor is supervising, making sure she's not deficient in any nutrients, providing supplements, and making sure she's not doing any strenuous activities, then a 500 calorie diet isn't that big of a deal.
Her biggest issue is going to be keeping the weight off because she didn't learn to eat properly.
Yes it is, that's why they have to be medically supervised. Please don't make statements like the bolded ones.roselover58 wrote: »it could be the Hcg injections - the doctor does them. While on the injections, you eat 500 to 1000 calories a day (depends on several factors); the Hcg causes the body to burn about 2,500 to 3,000 calories. You can be on it for no more than 40 days, and then the following 21 days, you continue to not eat starch and sugar, but your caloric intake is back to 1,500 to 1,800 calories.
...and I not a doctor (MD), but I am a nutritionist.
Where did you recieve your qualifications as a nutritionist? Because holy crap.
+1 did you read my post? But hey yeah no big deal, hair falling out, fainting and landing up in a heap on the floor no big deal, oh and I forgot palpitations too
All of which have nothing to do with calories and everything to do with being malnourished. Lack of protein = hair falling out. Heart palpitations = most likely electrolyte imbalance/dehydration. Fainting = also most likely electrolyte imbalance/dehydration. Some protein, calcium, potassium, sodium, and increase water intake would have solved all of your problems. None of which require increasing calories.
Just because you had a bad doctor who didn't adequately supervise you doesn't mean that no doctor would adequately supervise someone.
You said a doctor supervising eliminates the risk and now you admit a doctor can be bad. Right, not about calories. Lack of protein requires no need to increase calories in order to increase protein. Wow.
Lack of protein doesn't require a caloric increase. It just may mean you need to eat chicken instead of cookies.
Yeah because it's completely unheard of for someone to be eating nothing but junk when on a diet. And the fact that her hair was falling out and she had a couple of symptoms of dehydration must mean she was eating nothing but nutrient dense foods, huh?
Fainting also happens to be a symptom of low blood glucose.
Nope, it does not completely disappear.UltimateRBF wrote: »500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised. The reason people say don't go below 800 or 1200 or 1500 calories isn't because you need a certain number of calories while losing weight. It's because it's easier to get enough nutrients in that amount of food.
If the doctor is supervising, making sure she's not deficient in any nutrients, providing supplements, and making sure she's not doing any strenuous activities, then a 500 calorie diet isn't that big of a deal.
Her biggest issue is going to be keeping the weight off because she didn't learn to eat properly.
Yes it is, that's why they have to be medically supervised. Please don't make statements like the bolded ones.
A medically supervised 500 calorie diet is arguably less dangerous than an unsupervised 1200 calorie diet. You can still be malnourished eating more calories. Again, it's not the calories that matter here. it's the nutrients. One of the reasons people on unsupervised VLCDs end up dying is because their heart stops from having a potassium deficiency. This is easily remedied when you're being supervised by a doctor and getting blood tests every couple weeks.
I'm not sure if you have a reading comprehension problem or what, but since I added the qualifier "if" in the statement "500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised" that implies that it is dangerous if done alone, but the risk disappears if you're being supervised. And that is absolutely true.
Even if you are not diabetic, a severely low Intake can be dangerous. Most people realize this when they get lightheaded or dizzy, but others continue to push through. Would you like to know what happens if your blood glucose drops? You become altered and confused. As it continues to drop, you risk passing out and/or becoming unresponsive. You can even die if it drops too low. No, BGL is NOt just a concern for diabetics. Anyones BGL can drop. Glucose level chnaged through out the day so just having a blood test every few weeks would not be sufficient monitoring. Potassium is not the only thing to worry about.
Your body can continue to regulate blood sugar through gluconeogenesis. In healthy people, it wouldn't be an issue. I work as a chemist for a pharmaceutical company. I'm pretty sure I know how hypoglycemia works considering I work with insulin every day.
I said nothing about how the body regulates blood sugar, or what kind of macros one needs to consume. If you are getting a dangerously low amount of calories, regardless of the macro makeup, there is going to come a point where your body can no longer perform those functions and your BGL will drop.
Yes, this is still a risk for healthy people (which, if you are obese, not really sure you fit into the "healthy" category. Vlcd are dangerous.
Actually your body would start breaking down your muscle and turning it into glucose if you stopped consuming anything at all. Gluconeogenesis can actually cause your blood glucose to increase beyond what is normal.
You do realize that your heart is muscle right?
Skeletal muscle.
Nope, that's not how this works.
Also- there comes a point in time where your body can no longer handle such an extreme deficit and will perish.
By your logic, no one would ever starve to death.
Please show me where I said you can survive indefinitely. By my logic, people would waste away before dying which is exactly what happens.
Yeah, no. People can die long before they comepletely waste away. There is a reason d50 (glucose) is given to people in cardiac arrest. Would you care to try and negate that one?
Of course people can die before they completely waste away. There are many things that can kill you before you starve to death. But many starving people do waste away.0 -
Lol. You have no clue what you're talking about. Now you're talking about cookies. Right, I'm sure the person doing 500 calories is eating cookies.UltimateRBF wrote: »500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised. The reason people say don't go below 800 or 1200 or 1500 calories isn't because you need a certain number of calories while losing weight. It's because it's easier to get enough nutrients in that amount of food.
If the doctor is supervising, making sure she's not deficient in any nutrients, providing supplements, and making sure she's not doing any strenuous activities, then a 500 calorie diet isn't that big of a deal.
Her biggest issue is going to be keeping the weight off because she didn't learn to eat properly.
Yes it is, that's why they have to be medically supervised. Please don't make statements like the bolded ones.
A medically supervised 500 calorie diet is arguably less dangerous than an unsupervised 1200 calorie diet. You can still be malnourished eating more calories. Again, it's not the calories that matter here. it's the nutrients. One of the reasons people on unsupervised VLCDs end up dying is because their heart stops from having a potassium deficiency. This is easily remedied when you're being supervised by a doctor and getting blood tests every couple weeks.
I'm not sure if you have a reading comprehension problem or what, but since I added the qualifier "if" in the statement "500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised" that implies that it is dangerous if done alone, but the risk disappears if you're being supervised. And that is absolutely true.
That is completely false. Just because a doctor puts you on that diet doesn't eliminate the risks. You think no doctor has ever made the wrong decision, diagnosis, maybe given the wrong medication? Just because you have MD in the title doesn't mean anything you tell a patient to so is correct or safe. So you are 100% wrong.
You went ahead and said someone has a reading comprehension issue but then you said something like that. Just mind blowing.UltimateRBF wrote: »500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised. The reason people say don't go below 800 or 1200 or 1500 calories isn't because you need a certain number of calories while losing weight. It's because it's easier to get enough nutrients in that amount of food.
If the doctor is supervising, making sure she's not deficient in any nutrients, providing supplements, and making sure she's not doing any strenuous activities, then a 500 calorie diet isn't that big of a deal.
Her biggest issue is going to be keeping the weight off because she didn't learn to eat properly.
Yes it is, that's why they have to be medically supervised. Please don't make statements like the bolded ones.roselover58 wrote: »it could be the Hcg injections - the doctor does them. While on the injections, you eat 500 to 1000 calories a day (depends on several factors); the Hcg causes the body to burn about 2,500 to 3,000 calories. You can be on it for no more than 40 days, and then the following 21 days, you continue to not eat starch and sugar, but your caloric intake is back to 1,500 to 1,800 calories.
...and I not a doctor (MD), but I am a nutritionist.
Where did you recieve your qualifications as a nutritionist? Because holy crap.
+1 did you read my post? But hey yeah no big deal, hair falling out, fainting and landing up in a heap on the floor no big deal, oh and I forgot palpitations too
All of which have nothing to do with calories and everything to do with being malnourished. Lack of protein = hair falling out. Heart palpitations = most likely electrolyte imbalance/dehydration. Fainting = also most likely electrolyte imbalance/dehydration. Some protein, calcium, potassium, sodium, and increase water intake would have solved all of your problems. None of which require increasing calories.
Just because you had a bad doctor who didn't adequately supervise you doesn't mean that no doctor would adequately supervise someone.
You said a doctor supervising eliminates the risk and now you admit a doctor can be bad. Right, not about calories. Lack of protein requires no need to increase calories in order to increase protein. Wow.
Lack of protein doesn't require a caloric increase. It just may mean you need to eat chicken instead of cookies.
Yeah because it's completely unheard of for someone to be eating nothing but junk when on a diet. And the fact that her hair was falling out and she had a couple of symptoms of dehydration must mean she was eating nothing but nutrient dense foods, huh?
Yeah okay, so how many people have you met doing a 500 calorie diet supervised by a doctor eating nothing but "junk"?
How many people have you heard of who ignore their doctor's orders? You're an EMT. You know perfectly well that many people are noncompliant.
So they are going to listen to the advice of eating 500 cals, but not listen to what they should eat to achieve it? Am I understanding you right?
Awsome!!!! Lol.
Lol. You have no clue what you're talking about. Now you're talking about cookies. Right, I'm sure the person doing 500 calories is eating cookies.UltimateRBF wrote: »500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised. The reason people say don't go below 800 or 1200 or 1500 calories isn't because you need a certain number of calories while losing weight. It's because it's easier to get enough nutrients in that amount of food.
If the doctor is supervising, making sure she's not deficient in any nutrients, providing supplements, and making sure she's not doing any strenuous activities, then a 500 calorie diet isn't that big of a deal.
Her biggest issue is going to be keeping the weight off because she didn't learn to eat properly.
Yes it is, that's why they have to be medically supervised. Please don't make statements like the bolded ones.
A medically supervised 500 calorie diet is arguably less dangerous than an unsupervised 1200 calorie diet. You can still be malnourished eating more calories. Again, it's not the calories that matter here. it's the nutrients. One of the reasons people on unsupervised VLCDs end up dying is because their heart stops from having a potassium deficiency. This is easily remedied when you're being supervised by a doctor and getting blood tests every couple weeks.
I'm not sure if you have a reading comprehension problem or what, but since I added the qualifier "if" in the statement "500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised" that implies that it is dangerous if done alone, but the risk disappears if you're being supervised. And that is absolutely true.
That is completely false. Just because a doctor puts you on that diet doesn't eliminate the risks. You think no doctor has ever made the wrong decision, diagnosis, maybe given the wrong medication? Just because you have MD in the title doesn't mean anything you tell a patient to so is correct or safe. So you are 100% wrong.
You went ahead and said someone has a reading comprehension issue but then you said something like that. Just mind blowing.UltimateRBF wrote: »500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised. The reason people say don't go below 800 or 1200 or 1500 calories isn't because you need a certain number of calories while losing weight. It's because it's easier to get enough nutrients in that amount of food.
If the doctor is supervising, making sure she's not deficient in any nutrients, providing supplements, and making sure she's not doing any strenuous activities, then a 500 calorie diet isn't that big of a deal.
Her biggest issue is going to be keeping the weight off because she didn't learn to eat properly.
Yes it is, that's why they have to be medically supervised. Please don't make statements like the bolded ones.roselover58 wrote: »it could be the Hcg injections - the doctor does them. While on the injections, you eat 500 to 1000 calories a day (depends on several factors); the Hcg causes the body to burn about 2,500 to 3,000 calories. You can be on it for no more than 40 days, and then the following 21 days, you continue to not eat starch and sugar, but your caloric intake is back to 1,500 to 1,800 calories.
...and I not a doctor (MD), but I am a nutritionist.
Where did you recieve your qualifications as a nutritionist? Because holy crap.
+1 did you read my post? But hey yeah no big deal, hair falling out, fainting and landing up in a heap on the floor no big deal, oh and I forgot palpitations too
All of which have nothing to do with calories and everything to do with being malnourished. Lack of protein = hair falling out. Heart palpitations = most likely electrolyte imbalance/dehydration. Fainting = also most likely electrolyte imbalance/dehydration. Some protein, calcium, potassium, sodium, and increase water intake would have solved all of your problems. None of which require increasing calories.
Just because you had a bad doctor who didn't adequately supervise you doesn't mean that no doctor would adequately supervise someone.
You said a doctor supervising eliminates the risk and now you admit a doctor can be bad. Right, not about calories. Lack of protein requires no need to increase calories in order to increase protein. Wow.
Lack of protein doesn't require a caloric increase. It just may mean you need to eat chicken instead of cookies.
Yeah because it's completely unheard of for someone to be eating nothing but junk when on a diet. And the fact that her hair was falling out and she had a couple of symptoms of dehydration must mean she was eating nothing but nutrient dense foods, huh?
Fainting also happens to be a symptom of low blood glucose.
Nope, it does not completely disappear.UltimateRBF wrote: »500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised. The reason people say don't go below 800 or 1200 or 1500 calories isn't because you need a certain number of calories while losing weight. It's because it's easier to get enough nutrients in that amount of food.
If the doctor is supervising, making sure she's not deficient in any nutrients, providing supplements, and making sure she's not doing any strenuous activities, then a 500 calorie diet isn't that big of a deal.
Her biggest issue is going to be keeping the weight off because she didn't learn to eat properly.
Yes it is, that's why they have to be medically supervised. Please don't make statements like the bolded ones.
A medically supervised 500 calorie diet is arguably less dangerous than an unsupervised 1200 calorie diet. You can still be malnourished eating more calories. Again, it's not the calories that matter here. it's the nutrients. One of the reasons people on unsupervised VLCDs end up dying is because their heart stops from having a potassium deficiency. This is easily remedied when you're being supervised by a doctor and getting blood tests every couple weeks.
I'm not sure if you have a reading comprehension problem or what, but since I added the qualifier "if" in the statement "500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised" that implies that it is dangerous if done alone, but the risk disappears if you're being supervised. And that is absolutely true.
Even if you are not diabetic, a severely low Intake can be dangerous. Most people realize this when they get lightheaded or dizzy, but others continue to push through. Would you like to know what happens if your blood glucose drops? You become altered and confused. As it continues to drop, you risk passing out and/or becoming unresponsive. You can even die if it drops too low. No, BGL is NOt just a concern for diabetics. Anyones BGL can drop. Glucose level chnaged through out the day so just having a blood test every few weeks would not be sufficient monitoring. Potassium is not the only thing to worry about.
Your body can continue to regulate blood sugar through gluconeogenesis. In healthy people, it wouldn't be an issue. I work as a chemist for a pharmaceutical company. I'm pretty sure I know how hypoglycemia works considering I work with insulin every day.
I said nothing about how the body regulates blood sugar, or what kind of macros one needs to consume. If you are getting a dangerously low amount of calories, regardless of the macro makeup, there is going to come a point where your body can no longer perform those functions and your BGL will drop.
Yes, this is still a risk for healthy people (which, if you are obese, not really sure you fit into the "healthy" category. Vlcd are dangerous.
Actually your body would start breaking down your muscle and turning it into glucose if you stopped consuming anything at all. Gluconeogenesis can actually cause your blood glucose to increase beyond what is normal.
You do realize that your heart is muscle right?
Skeletal muscle.
Nope, that's not how this works.
Also- there comes a point in time where your body can no longer handle such an extreme deficit and will perish.
By your logic, no one would ever starve to death.
Please show me where I said you can survive indefinitely. By my logic, people would waste away before dying which is exactly what happens.
Yeah, no. People can die long before they comepletely waste away. There is a reason d50 (glucose) is given to people in cardiac arrest. Would you care to try and negate that one?
Of course people can die before they completely waste away. There are many things that can kill you before you starve to death. But many starving people do waste away.
Way to completely avoid the question. Here, I'll ask it more simply: why do you think glucose is given to people during resuscitation (cpr) attempts?0 -
I would argue that it's not totally all malnourishment.UltimateRBF wrote: »500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised. The reason people say don't go below 800 or 1200 or 1500 calories isn't because you need a certain number of calories while losing weight. It's because it's easier to get enough nutrients in that amount of food.
If the doctor is supervising, making sure she's not deficient in any nutrients, providing supplements, and making sure she's not doing any strenuous activities, then a 500 calorie diet isn't that big of a deal.
Her biggest issue is going to be keeping the weight off because she didn't learn to eat properly.
Yes it is, that's why they have to be medically supervised. Please don't make statements like the bolded ones.roselover58 wrote: »it could be the Hcg injections - the doctor does them. While on the injections, you eat 500 to 1000 calories a day (depends on several factors); the Hcg causes the body to burn about 2,500 to 3,000 calories. You can be on it for no more than 40 days, and then the following 21 days, you continue to not eat starch and sugar, but your caloric intake is back to 1,500 to 1,800 calories.
...and I not a doctor (MD), but I am a nutritionist.
Where did you recieve your qualifications as a nutritionist? Because holy crap.
+1 did you read my post? But hey yeah no big deal, hair falling out, fainting and landing up in a heap on the floor no big deal, oh and I forgot palpitations too
All of which have nothing to do with calories and everything to do with being malnourished. Lack of protein = hair falling out. Heart palpitations = most likely electrolyte imbalance/dehydration. Fainting = also most likely electrolyte imbalance/dehydration. Some protein, calcium, potassium, sodium, and increase water intake would have solved all of your problems. None of which require increasing calories.
Just because you had a bad doctor who didn't adequately supervise you doesn't mean that no doctor would adequately supervise someone.
Inmates eat very low quality food with low values when it comes to nutrition. Yet, they aren't dying off from the food they eat. More than likely they'll die from violence in prison before the food.
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Are you going to say this DOESN'T happen on a 500 calorie diet?
Nope, it does not completely disappear.UltimateRBF wrote: »500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised. The reason people say don't go below 800 or 1200 or 1500 calories isn't because you need a certain number of calories while losing weight. It's because it's easier to get enough nutrients in that amount of food.
If the doctor is supervising, making sure she's not deficient in any nutrients, providing supplements, and making sure she's not doing any strenuous activities, then a 500 calorie diet isn't that big of a deal.
Her biggest issue is going to be keeping the weight off because she didn't learn to eat properly.
Yes it is, that's why they have to be medically supervised. Please don't make statements like the bolded ones.
A medically supervised 500 calorie diet is arguably less dangerous than an unsupervised 1200 calorie diet. You can still be malnourished eating more calories. Again, it's not the calories that matter here. it's the nutrients. One of the reasons people on unsupervised VLCDs end up dying is because their heart stops from having a potassium deficiency. This is easily remedied when you're being supervised by a doctor and getting blood tests every couple weeks.
I'm not sure if you have a reading comprehension problem or what, but since I added the qualifier "if" in the statement "500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised" that implies that it is dangerous if done alone, but the risk disappears if you're being supervised. And that is absolutely true.
Even if you are not diabetic, a severely low Intake can be dangerous. Most people realize this when they get lightheaded or dizzy, but others continue to push through. Would you like to know what happens if your blood glucose drops? You become altered and confused. As it continues to drop, you risk passing out and/or becoming unresponsive. You can even die if it drops too low. No, BGL is NOt just a concern for diabetics. Anyones BGL can drop. Glucose level chnaged through out the day so just having a blood test every few weeks would not be sufficient monitoring. Potassium is not the only thing to worry about.
Your body can continue to regulate blood sugar through gluconeogenesis. In healthy people, it wouldn't be an issue. I work as a chemist for a pharmaceutical company. I'm pretty sure I know how hypoglycemia works considering I work with insulin every day.
I said nothing about how the body regulates blood sugar, or what kind of macros one needs to consume. If you are getting a dangerously low amount of calories, regardless of the macro makeup, there is going to come a point where your body can no longer perform those functions and your BGL will drop.
Yes, this is still a risk for healthy people (which, if you are obese, not really sure you fit into the "healthy" category. Vlcd are dangerous.
Actually your body would start breaking down your muscle and turning it into glucose if you stopped consuming anything at all. Gluconeogenesis can actually cause your blood glucose to increase beyond what is normal.
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UltimateRBF wrote: »500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised. The reason people say don't go below 800 or 1200 or 1500 calories isn't because you need a certain number of calories while losing weight. It's because it's easier to get enough nutrients in that amount of food.
If the doctor is supervising, making sure she's not deficient in any nutrients, providing supplements, and making sure she's not doing any strenuous activities, then a 500 calorie diet isn't that big of a deal.
Her biggest issue is going to be keeping the weight off because she didn't learn to eat properly.
Yes it is, that's why they have to be medically supervised. Please don't make statements like the bolded ones.roselover58 wrote: »it could be the Hcg injections - the doctor does them. While on the injections, you eat 500 to 1000 calories a day (depends on several factors); the Hcg causes the body to burn about 2,500 to 3,000 calories. You can be on it for no more than 40 days, and then the following 21 days, you continue to not eat starch and sugar, but your caloric intake is back to 1,500 to 1,800 calories.
...and I not a doctor (MD), but I am a nutritionist.
Where did you recieve your qualifications as a nutritionist? Because holy crap.
+1 did you read my post? But hey yeah no big deal, hair falling out, fainting and landing up in a heap on the floor no big deal, oh and I forgot palpitations too
All of which have nothing to do with calories and everything to do with being malnourished. Lack of protein = hair falling out. Heart palpitations = most likely electrolyte imbalance/dehydration. Fainting = also most likely electrolyte imbalance/dehydration. Some protein, calcium, potassium, sodium, and increase water intake would have solved all of your problems. None of which require increasing calories.
Just because you had a bad doctor who didn't adequately supervise you doesn't mean that no doctor would adequately supervise someone.
Err no I have a very good doctor actually and the replacement meals I was having were full of the rad for all vitamins and nutrients. I was also drinking water constantly throughout the day. The problem is I was eating or drinking way too few calories to fuel my body... And I'm disabled and spend a lot of time laying down or sitting
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Lol. You have no clue what you're talking about. Now you're talking about cookies. Right, I'm sure the person doing 500 calories is eating cookies.UltimateRBF wrote: »500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised. The reason people say don't go below 800 or 1200 or 1500 calories isn't because you need a certain number of calories while losing weight. It's because it's easier to get enough nutrients in that amount of food.
If the doctor is supervising, making sure she's not deficient in any nutrients, providing supplements, and making sure she's not doing any strenuous activities, then a 500 calorie diet isn't that big of a deal.
Her biggest issue is going to be keeping the weight off because she didn't learn to eat properly.
Yes it is, that's why they have to be medically supervised. Please don't make statements like the bolded ones.
A medically supervised 500 calorie diet is arguably less dangerous than an unsupervised 1200 calorie diet. You can still be malnourished eating more calories. Again, it's not the calories that matter here. it's the nutrients. One of the reasons people on unsupervised VLCDs end up dying is because their heart stops from having a potassium deficiency. This is easily remedied when you're being supervised by a doctor and getting blood tests every couple weeks.
I'm not sure if you have a reading comprehension problem or what, but since I added the qualifier "if" in the statement "500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised" that implies that it is dangerous if done alone, but the risk disappears if you're being supervised. And that is absolutely true.
That is completely false. Just because a doctor puts you on that diet doesn't eliminate the risks. You think no doctor has ever made the wrong decision, diagnosis, maybe given the wrong medication? Just because you have MD in the title doesn't mean anything you tell a patient to so is correct or safe. So you are 100% wrong.
You went ahead and said someone has a reading comprehension issue but then you said something like that. Just mind blowing.UltimateRBF wrote: »500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised. The reason people say don't go below 800 or 1200 or 1500 calories isn't because you need a certain number of calories while losing weight. It's because it's easier to get enough nutrients in that amount of food.
If the doctor is supervising, making sure she's not deficient in any nutrients, providing supplements, and making sure she's not doing any strenuous activities, then a 500 calorie diet isn't that big of a deal.
Her biggest issue is going to be keeping the weight off because she didn't learn to eat properly.
Yes it is, that's why they have to be medically supervised. Please don't make statements like the bolded ones.roselover58 wrote: »it could be the Hcg injections - the doctor does them. While on the injections, you eat 500 to 1000 calories a day (depends on several factors); the Hcg causes the body to burn about 2,500 to 3,000 calories. You can be on it for no more than 40 days, and then the following 21 days, you continue to not eat starch and sugar, but your caloric intake is back to 1,500 to 1,800 calories.
...and I not a doctor (MD), but I am a nutritionist.
Where did you recieve your qualifications as a nutritionist? Because holy crap.
+1 did you read my post? But hey yeah no big deal, hair falling out, fainting and landing up in a heap on the floor no big deal, oh and I forgot palpitations too
All of which have nothing to do with calories and everything to do with being malnourished. Lack of protein = hair falling out. Heart palpitations = most likely electrolyte imbalance/dehydration. Fainting = also most likely electrolyte imbalance/dehydration. Some protein, calcium, potassium, sodium, and increase water intake would have solved all of your problems. None of which require increasing calories.
Just because you had a bad doctor who didn't adequately supervise you doesn't mean that no doctor would adequately supervise someone.
You said a doctor supervising eliminates the risk and now you admit a doctor can be bad. Right, not about calories. Lack of protein requires no need to increase calories in order to increase protein. Wow.
Lack of protein doesn't require a caloric increase. It just may mean you need to eat chicken instead of cookies.
Yeah because it's completely unheard of for someone to be eating nothing but junk when on a diet. And the fact that her hair was falling out and she had a couple of symptoms of dehydration must mean she was eating nothing but nutrient dense foods, huh?
Yeah okay, so how many people have you met doing a 500 calorie diet supervised by a doctor eating nothing but "junk"?
How many people have you heard of who ignore their doctor's orders? You're an EMT. You know perfectly well that many people are noncompliant.
So they are going to listen to the advice of eating 500 cals, but not listen to what they should eat to achieve it? Am I understanding you right?
Awsome!!!! Lol.
Lol. You have no clue what you're talking about. Now you're talking about cookies. Right, I'm sure the person doing 500 calories is eating cookies.UltimateRBF wrote: »500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised. The reason people say don't go below 800 or 1200 or 1500 calories isn't because you need a certain number of calories while losing weight. It's because it's easier to get enough nutrients in that amount of food.
If the doctor is supervising, making sure she's not deficient in any nutrients, providing supplements, and making sure she's not doing any strenuous activities, then a 500 calorie diet isn't that big of a deal.
Her biggest issue is going to be keeping the weight off because she didn't learn to eat properly.
Yes it is, that's why they have to be medically supervised. Please don't make statements like the bolded ones.
A medically supervised 500 calorie diet is arguably less dangerous than an unsupervised 1200 calorie diet. You can still be malnourished eating more calories. Again, it's not the calories that matter here. it's the nutrients. One of the reasons people on unsupervised VLCDs end up dying is because their heart stops from having a potassium deficiency. This is easily remedied when you're being supervised by a doctor and getting blood tests every couple weeks.
I'm not sure if you have a reading comprehension problem or what, but since I added the qualifier "if" in the statement "500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised" that implies that it is dangerous if done alone, but the risk disappears if you're being supervised. And that is absolutely true.
That is completely false. Just because a doctor puts you on that diet doesn't eliminate the risks. You think no doctor has ever made the wrong decision, diagnosis, maybe given the wrong medication? Just because you have MD in the title doesn't mean anything you tell a patient to so is correct or safe. So you are 100% wrong.
You went ahead and said someone has a reading comprehension issue but then you said something like that. Just mind blowing.UltimateRBF wrote: »500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised. The reason people say don't go below 800 or 1200 or 1500 calories isn't because you need a certain number of calories while losing weight. It's because it's easier to get enough nutrients in that amount of food.
If the doctor is supervising, making sure she's not deficient in any nutrients, providing supplements, and making sure she's not doing any strenuous activities, then a 500 calorie diet isn't that big of a deal.
Her biggest issue is going to be keeping the weight off because she didn't learn to eat properly.
Yes it is, that's why they have to be medically supervised. Please don't make statements like the bolded ones.roselover58 wrote: »it could be the Hcg injections - the doctor does them. While on the injections, you eat 500 to 1000 calories a day (depends on several factors); the Hcg causes the body to burn about 2,500 to 3,000 calories. You can be on it for no more than 40 days, and then the following 21 days, you continue to not eat starch and sugar, but your caloric intake is back to 1,500 to 1,800 calories.
...and I not a doctor (MD), but I am a nutritionist.
Where did you recieve your qualifications as a nutritionist? Because holy crap.
+1 did you read my post? But hey yeah no big deal, hair falling out, fainting and landing up in a heap on the floor no big deal, oh and I forgot palpitations too
All of which have nothing to do with calories and everything to do with being malnourished. Lack of protein = hair falling out. Heart palpitations = most likely electrolyte imbalance/dehydration. Fainting = also most likely electrolyte imbalance/dehydration. Some protein, calcium, potassium, sodium, and increase water intake would have solved all of your problems. None of which require increasing calories.
Just because you had a bad doctor who didn't adequately supervise you doesn't mean that no doctor would adequately supervise someone.
You said a doctor supervising eliminates the risk and now you admit a doctor can be bad. Right, not about calories. Lack of protein requires no need to increase calories in order to increase protein. Wow.
Lack of protein doesn't require a caloric increase. It just may mean you need to eat chicken instead of cookies.
Yeah because it's completely unheard of for someone to be eating nothing but junk when on a diet. And the fact that her hair was falling out and she had a couple of symptoms of dehydration must mean she was eating nothing but nutrient dense foods, huh?
Fainting also happens to be a symptom of low blood glucose.
Nope, it does not completely disappear.UltimateRBF wrote: »500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised. The reason people say don't go below 800 or 1200 or 1500 calories isn't because you need a certain number of calories while losing weight. It's because it's easier to get enough nutrients in that amount of food.
If the doctor is supervising, making sure she's not deficient in any nutrients, providing supplements, and making sure she's not doing any strenuous activities, then a 500 calorie diet isn't that big of a deal.
Her biggest issue is going to be keeping the weight off because she didn't learn to eat properly.
Yes it is, that's why they have to be medically supervised. Please don't make statements like the bolded ones.
A medically supervised 500 calorie diet is arguably less dangerous than an unsupervised 1200 calorie diet. You can still be malnourished eating more calories. Again, it's not the calories that matter here. it's the nutrients. One of the reasons people on unsupervised VLCDs end up dying is because their heart stops from having a potassium deficiency. This is easily remedied when you're being supervised by a doctor and getting blood tests every couple weeks.
I'm not sure if you have a reading comprehension problem or what, but since I added the qualifier "if" in the statement "500 calories is not dangerous if you're medically supervised" that implies that it is dangerous if done alone, but the risk disappears if you're being supervised. And that is absolutely true.
Even if you are not diabetic, a severely low Intake can be dangerous. Most people realize this when they get lightheaded or dizzy, but others continue to push through. Would you like to know what happens if your blood glucose drops? You become altered and confused. As it continues to drop, you risk passing out and/or becoming unresponsive. You can even die if it drops too low. No, BGL is NOt just a concern for diabetics. Anyones BGL can drop. Glucose level chnaged through out the day so just having a blood test every few weeks would not be sufficient monitoring. Potassium is not the only thing to worry about.
Your body can continue to regulate blood sugar through gluconeogenesis. In healthy people, it wouldn't be an issue. I work as a chemist for a pharmaceutical company. I'm pretty sure I know how hypoglycemia works considering I work with insulin every day.
I said nothing about how the body regulates blood sugar, or what kind of macros one needs to consume. If you are getting a dangerously low amount of calories, regardless of the macro makeup, there is going to come a point where your body can no longer perform those functions and your BGL will drop.
Yes, this is still a risk for healthy people (which, if you are obese, not really sure you fit into the "healthy" category. Vlcd are dangerous.
Actually your body would start breaking down your muscle and turning it into glucose if you stopped consuming anything at all. Gluconeogenesis can actually cause your blood glucose to increase beyond what is normal.
You do realize that your heart is muscle right?
Skeletal muscle.
Nope, that's not how this works.
Also- there comes a point in time where your body can no longer handle such an extreme deficit and will perish.
By your logic, no one would ever starve to death.
Please show me where I said you can survive indefinitely. By my logic, people would waste away before dying which is exactly what happens.
Yeah, no. People can die long before they comepletely waste away. There is a reason d50 (glucose) is given to people in cardiac arrest. Would you care to try and negate that one?
Of course people can die before they completely waste away. There are many things that can kill you before you starve to death. But many starving people do waste away.
Way to completely avoid the question. Here, I'll ask it more simply: why do you think glucose is given to people during resuscitation (cpr) attempts?
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