Meal Replacement Shakes
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rivertree69 wrote: »rivertree69 wrote: »LOL. I love how everyone has completely ignored my post.
You are back here losing weight again...so it didn't work to begin with. Not much else to discuss really.
LOL. It worked while I lead a healthy maintenance lifestyle. As soon as I was on a plane every week and drinking scotch in first class along with hotel food, I gained some back. No where near all, and I learned what was wrong and what was right. The point being, who are you to judge what some people need to motivate them? Had I *not* learned through the process that I could lose weight (ie, seeing it in a mirror), I highly doubt I would have had any motivation to try.
Some people need a good kick in the pants this way.
Right...and like pretty much EVERY PERSON who responded to this thread said, they work in the short term, but also have one of the highest propensities to regain weight.
You're basically living proof of what pretty much EVERY PERSON in this thread said.
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ceoverturf wrote: »rivertree69 wrote: »rivertree69 wrote: »LOL. I love how everyone has completely ignored my post.
You are back here losing weight again...so it didn't work to begin with. Not much else to discuss really.
LOL. It worked while I lead a healthy maintenance lifestyle. As soon as I was on a plane every week and drinking scotch in first class along with hotel food, I gained some back. No where near all, and I learned what was wrong and what was right. The point being, who are you to judge what some people need to motivate them? Had I *not* learned through the process that I could lose weight (ie, seeing it in a mirror), I highly doubt I would have had any motivation to try.
Some people need a good kick in the pants this way.
Right...and like pretty much EVERY PERSON who responded to this thread said, they work in the short term, but also have one of the highest propensities to regain weight.
You're basically living proof of what pretty much EVERY PERSON in this thread said.
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I have been using them for 5+ years. I eat 3 a day and a regular dinner. Now anytime I try to eat normally I gain. I wish I wouldn't have started this..or at least done it short term.0
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Did you read what I said?
I kept the weight off while I lead a healthy lifestyle. I got off shakes completely and was rollerblading 10 miles a day. It stayed off for over almost 3 years.
it started back on when I made some bad choices due to travel and other factors ---- I wasnt ON the shakes for the three years it stayed off. Had you actually read what I said you wouldn't be jumping to conclusions.
If you want to argue, we could argue that anyone who goes out and eats fast food is living proof that you will just gain back the weight you lost after eating healthy. ANYONE can gain weight back regardless whether they used shakes to lose their weight, a VLCD of some sort, calorie deficits, etc. You could be the expert of portion control and go blow it for whatever reason.
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rivertree69 wrote: »LOL. I love how everyone has completely ignored my post.
You are back here losing weight again...so it didn't work to begin with. Not much else to discuss really.
So everyone who lost weight by counting calories and gained it back failed because counting calories doesn't work?
It sounds like he kept it off quite well until he stopped paying attention to calories (in his own words)
I'm not trying to assert anything about either method, just saying that all methods have failure rates if not maintained, and one person's regain (well after the fact) certainly doesn't disprove their method. No matter the method, if your lifestyle changes and you start eating at a caloric surplus, you will gain the weight back.0 -
CarynCharB wrote: »I have been using them for 5+ years. I eat 3 a day and a regular dinner. Now anytime I try to eat normally I gain. I wish I wouldn't have started this..or at least done it short term.
Even i will agree --- that's far too long. Your body doesn't know how to eat properly at this point.
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rivertree69 wrote: »Did you read what I said?
I kept the weight off while I lead a healthy lifestyle. I got off shakes completely and was rollerblading 10 miles a day. It stayed off for over almost 3 years.
it started back on when I made some bad choices due to travel and other factors ---- I wasnt ON the shakes for the three years it stayed off. Had you actually read what I said you wouldn't be jumping to conclusions.
If you want to argue, we could argue that anyone who goes out and eats fast food is living proof that you will just gain back the weight you lost after eating healthy. ANYONE can gain weight back regardless whether they used shakes to lose their weight, a VLCD of some sort, calorie deficits, etc. You could be the expert of portion control and go blow it for whatever reason.
You lost and didn't have the tools or knowledge to keep the weight off when times changed. That is the point. Your definition of success may be different than mine though.0 -
rivertree69 wrote: »CarynCharB wrote: »I have been using them for 5+ years. I eat 3 a day and a regular dinner. Now anytime I try to eat normally I gain. I wish I wouldn't have started this..or at least done it short term.
Even i will agree --- that's far too long. Your body doesn't know how to eat properly at this point.
I know and I don't know what to do. I'm thinking about seeing a nutritionist.0 -
CarynCharB wrote: »rivertree69 wrote: »CarynCharB wrote: »I have been using them for 5+ years. I eat 3 a day and a regular dinner. Now anytime I try to eat normally I gain. I wish I wouldn't have started this..or at least done it short term.
Even i will agree --- that's far too long. Your body doesn't know how to eat properly at this point.
I know and I don't know what to do. I'm thinking about seeing a nutritionist.
Have you tried using MFP/calorie counting?0 -
CarynCharB wrote: »rivertree69 wrote: »CarynCharB wrote: »I have been using them for 5+ years. I eat 3 a day and a regular dinner. Now anytime I try to eat normally I gain. I wish I wouldn't have started this..or at least done it short term.
Even i will agree --- that's far too long. Your body doesn't know how to eat properly at this point.
I know and I don't know what to do. I'm thinking about seeing a nutritionist.
I think you should. Maybe a doctor as well. I can't even imagine never being able to eat without fear of gaining weight
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rivertree69 wrote: »Did you read what I said?
I kept the weight off while I lead a healthy lifestyle. I got off shakes completely and was rollerblading 10 miles a day. It stayed off for over almost 3 years.
it started back on when I made some bad choices due to travel and other factors ---- I wasnt ON the shakes for the three years it stayed off. Had you actually read what I said you wouldn't be jumping to conclusions.
If you want to argue, we could argue that anyone who goes out and eats fast food is living proof that you will just gain back the weight you lost after eating healthy. ANYONE can gain weight back regardless whether they used shakes to lose their weight, a VLCD of some sort, calorie deficits, etc. You could be the expert of portion control and go blow it for whatever reason.
You lost and didn't have the tools or knowledge to keep the weight off when times changed. That is the point.
Then say that. Don't blame the shakes.
Reality - I knew how to keep it off. I made crappy choices. But knowing how long I kept it off for (and then what I ate when I gained some back) had zero to do with the shakes, and everything to do with emotional and environmental issues. I had the tools previously, just didn't use them.
Shakes worked to kick start things. In my case I've needed more discipline to keep going --- like many do. I had no problems reintroducing foods and weaning off the shakes.
For ever person who has done shake diets, I can name people who have done the old standard --- eating healthy --- who then made the same choices and ballooned back to where they were before.
Everyone needs a different motivator. Give the woman a bit of a break, and advice to help her while she tries it. Maybe give her some good weaning suggestions and meal replacement ideas and she might not feel like she is being attacked.0 -
ceoverturf wrote: »CarynCharB wrote: »rivertree69 wrote: »CarynCharB wrote: »I have been using them for 5+ years. I eat 3 a day and a regular dinner. Now anytime I try to eat normally I gain. I wish I wouldn't have started this..or at least done it short term.
Even i will agree --- that's far too long. Your body doesn't know how to eat properly at this point.
I know and I don't know what to do. I'm thinking about seeing a nutritionist.
Have you tried using MFP/calorie counting?
Good suggestion.0 -
Just ignore them. Niner has a valid point about the long term effectiveness and rationale behind MRP, which kind of delays you learning about real calorie control. If its working for you, then stick with it as its your diet and you can learn from your own mistakes if you end up putting it back on once the shakes stop. Theres always the chance you wont. Its not a given that it will happen but you should learn about nutrition and calorie control.Charisma_Black wrote: »I just can't believe the nastiness more than anything to be honest. Very disheartening.
I dont see the others as being nasty, its a public forum, but if you dont like it then dont read their posts, easy to ignore.
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Bottom line is meal replacement shakes are a temporary fix. I don't know if you've ever known anyone with a drug addiction, but many drug addicts quit using, but pick up another habit instead because they've never learned to deal with whatever was drawing them to the addiction to begin with. Food can be an addiction for many people, and not learning how to live your life and make the correct choices in EVERY situation is part of the reason people "relapse", go back to their old eating habits and regain the weight. You have to learn the proper tools as you go so you can learn to deal with stress, travel, emotions, etc and still make correct choices. I see meal replacements as an easy way to not have to deal with life's inconveniences when it comes to food. You always have the shake with you so you don't have to figure out what you can eat at a fast food/sit down restaurant, a hotel, etc., but what happens when you don't have the shake with you? What happens when you have a work event or whatever and you can't sit there at a restaurant with a shake?
If you have underlying psychological issues causing the weight gain, that is a different story altogether and that needs to be dealt with anyway before you will ever be successful at this long term. You can't medicate yourself with food, you have to learn how to deal with problems in other ways and a meal replacement shake isn't going to do that for you no matter how much you believe it will "give you a kick in the *kitten*".0 -
The discussion at hand isn't about how other eaters fail/succeed though. My response was about meal replacements in general.rivertree69 wrote: »LOL. I love how everyone has completely ignored my post.
@ninerbuff you have been doing this 17 years. You know as well as everyone else that people fail for various reasons. I'm sure you've seen a variety of people succeed and a variety of people fail. What about the "secret eaters", the "emotional eaters", etc?
I believe some people need a kick in the *kitten* --- and thats often what meal replacements do. it doesn't *replace* the fact the person needs to learn portion control and proper nutrition, but if it helps kickstart someone who has had problems doing that their whole life, I say go for it.
What's more likely, that people who use meal replacement shakes are doing it for a kick in butt, or because they are sold on a program that advertises it's "success" rate? I'll go with the latter. Since it's a public forum, I believe that putting out the most accurate information is much more beneficial to the majority, than to acknowledge the 10% of users of meal replacements that succeed.
If people need a "kickstart", then they really just have to be serious and committed to themselves and make a plan of action (that involves the eating lifestyle they can continue for life) and adhere to it.
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Charisma_Black wrote: »I agree with @bmele0 I lead a busy lifestyle with work and am stressed majority of the time which I'm on medication for. I know how to cook also and am very much into making everything from scratch as well I don't like processed foods they just make me feel bloated and horrible afterwards. So the shakes fits my lifestyle currently. I understand what is being said though. I know very well about portion control and calories etc but please respect this is my choice at this current moment in time.
If quick is what you want, what about making your own and using proteins like yogurt?
I did the bodies by vi shakes and lost about 10 lbs in just over a month but it was mostly water weight. It slowed waaay down when I started having a deficit with real food. What's concerning about shakes besides not learning portions etc, is that generally the ingredients aren't very good for you. Check the label, the shakes I took had sucrelose as the sweetener and gave me terrible headaches. 21 out of their 23 ingredients were synthetic.
Maybe do your own shakes with some frozen fruit, yogurt, almond milk, etc. much. Much healthier
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I'll look into this @DaniCanadian Thanks!
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I didn't intend for this to happen but I have ended up using a protein meal replacement powder in my iced coffee for breakfast. I have to say I feel awesome! I hate eating at my desk and it keeps me full from breakfast to lunch. Also before I started using the meal replacement by lunch time I would be starving but now I am just barely hungry. So for me it works great. I don't feel it's unhealthy at all considering all the very healthy stuff in it. I am sure eventually I'll get bored with what I am doing and switch it up again. Just find what works for you.0
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DaniCanadian wrote: »Charisma_Black wrote: »I agree with @bmele0 I lead a busy lifestyle with work and am stressed majority of the time which I'm on medication for. I know how to cook also and am very much into making everything from scratch as well I don't like processed foods they just make me feel bloated and horrible afterwards. So the shakes fits my lifestyle currently. I understand what is being said though. I know very well about portion control and calories etc but please respect this is my choice at this current moment in time.
If quick is what you want, what about making your own and using proteins like yogurt?
I did the bodies by vi shakes and lost about 10 lbs in just over a month but it was mostly water weight. It slowed waaay down when I started having a deficit with real food. What's concerning about shakes besides not learning portions etc, is that generally the ingredients aren't very good for you. Check the label, the shakes I took had sucrelose as the sweetener and gave me terrible headaches. 21 out of their 23 ingredients were synthetic.
Maybe do your own shakes with some frozen fruit, yogurt, almond milk, etc. much. Much healthier
Great suggestions.
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Charisma_Black wrote: »Like I said in a previous post it's not long term. No one bothers to read what you say unfortunately This is usually why I don't post on these forums because everyone jumps down your throat. Thanks anyway for your opinions and thoughts.
Exactly, it's a shame. I will ocassionally use a MRS on the weekends for lunch when I'm running my kids here and there and I want to avoid fast food. I use either Shakeology, or Vegan Smart. Just make sure whatever you use isn't loaded with unknown ingredients. Do what works best for you, like I was so kindly reminded the other day, it doesn't matter what you eat as long as you're in a deficit, LOL!
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Since supplements/shakes aren't regulated by the FDA (it's DSHEA protected), companies can put whatever they want on their labels. There are fillers and contaminants that aren't mentioned in any of the labels. Shakeology and Vegan Smart don't make their products................a 3rd party does. So how are you assured that what you're consuming IS what's on the label?Charisma_Black wrote: »Like I said in a previous post it's not long term. No one bothers to read what you say unfortunately This is usually why I don't post on these forums because everyone jumps down your throat. Thanks anyway for your opinions and thoughts.
Exactly, it's a shame. I will ocassionally use a MRS on the weekends for lunch when I'm running my kids here and there and I want to avoid fast food. I use either Shakeology, or Vegan Smart. Just make sure whatever you use isn't loaded with unknown ingredients. Do what works best for you, like I was so kindly reminded the other day, it doesn't matter what you eat as long as you're in a deficit, LOL!
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Since supplements/shakes aren't regulated by the FDA (it's DSHEA protected), companies can put whatever they want on their labels. There are fillers and contaminants that aren't mentioned in any of the labels. Shakeology and Vegan Smart don't make their products................a 3rd party does. So how are you assured that what you're consuming IS what's on the label?Charisma_Black wrote: »Like I said in a previous post it's not long term. No one bothers to read what you say unfortunately This is usually why I don't post on these forums because everyone jumps down your throat. Thanks anyway for your opinions and thoughts.
Exactly, it's a shame. I will ocassionally use a MRS on the weekends for lunch when I'm running my kids here and there and I want to avoid fast food. I use either Shakeology, or Vegan Smart. Just make sure whatever you use isn't loaded with unknown ingredients. Do what works best for you, like I was so kindly reminded the other day, it doesn't matter what you eat as long as you're in a deficit, LOL!
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Wouldn't that apply to protein shakes and vitamins as well? Most people on MFP (myself included) are pretty comfortable using those without worrying about unlisted contaminants and fillers.0 -
Today I started the Optifast diet. It it 3 meal replacement shakes a day plus two cups of vegetables. I have been half heartardly dieting for years, but now I need to see some results.mthis is going to make it very straight forward and simple. Once I lose some weight it will motivate me to lose some more. I know how to eat properly, I just don't do it because I am down on myself (mainly because of my extra weight), when I am down on myself I eat. Anything. I eat anything and lots. So this is going to be good for me.0
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Charisma_Black wrote: »I came on here to ask people if they were doing a similar plan and how it works for them and I understand everyone's opinion of doing the plan will be different. From what I've learnt from this forum is that people are very nasty.
It's not nasty to give you advice that you don't agree with. It's honest.
I would suggest that you go to the website of whatever diet shake plan company you are using. They all have websites with forums where you can find lots of other people using that particular product and compare stories. It sounds like that what you are looking for and clearly you won't find it here.
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I've been drinking/ eating protein shakes/bars for 2 years now. Like I said, I'm more than well aware of other meal options in that calorie range and I do make them, but on the go or quick fix- those are my go-to. I cook at home as well and weigh food, so I'm A-OK on understanding portion sizes. I don't rely on them solely and I don't think there is anything about them that will make me lose more weight faster or anything like that.0
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When I find I keep eating more than I meant to at meals, I will have a Vanilla slim fast for a couple meals a day. It works for me. I only do it once in a while...to get back on track.0
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ceoverturf wrote: »Charisma_Black wrote: »I just can't believe the nastiness more than anything to be honest. Very disheartening.
Not one person has been nasty toward you. Not ONE.
This. If all you want is for someone to tell you what you want to hear you are in the wrong place. And unless you deal with the stress and emotional issues you referred to, you will probably continue to struggle with weight. I did it for years and until I got help for the reasons I was turning to food for comfort I couldn't successfully keep weight off.0 -
Charisma_Black wrote: »I came on here to ask people if they were doing a similar plan and how it works for them and I understand everyone's opinion of doing the plan will be different. From what I've learnt from this forum is that people are very nasty.
It's not nasty to give you advice that you don't agree with. It's honest.
I would suggest that you go to the website of whatever diet shake plan company you are using. They all have websites with forums where you can find lots of other people using that particular product and compare stories. It sounds like that what you are looking for and clearly you won't find it here.
Actually, a lot of you were implicitly nasty. Diets don't work because people eat to much when the go back to old habits.
Research shows that there is nothing wrong with plans like optifast. Regain is exactly the same as any other diet if you go right back.
You were nasty because you treated her like she is an idiot and like you all know everything about everything.0 -
Charisma_Black wrote: »I came on here to ask people if they were doing a similar plan and how it works for them and I understand everyone's opinion of doing the plan will be different. From what I've learnt from this forum is that people are very nasty.
It's not nasty to give you advice that you don't agree with. It's honest.
I would suggest that you go to the website of whatever diet shake plan company you are using. They all have websites with forums where you can find lots of other people using that particular product and compare stories. It sounds like that what you are looking for and clearly you won't find it here.
Actually, a lot of you were implicitly nasty. Diets don't work because people eat to much when the go back to old habits.
Research shows that there is nothing wrong with plans like optifast. Regain is exactly the same as any other diet if you go right back.
You were nasty because you treated her like she is an idiot and like you all know everything about everything.
Well, thank goodness you bumped a 2+ week old thread to put everyone in their place.0 -
Yes I'm using Slimfast for a few weeks just to start me off again & it always works for me. What does not work is my choice of food later on & your talking perhaps a year later when I start eating crap, that's when the weight comes back on not because I stopped using the shakes after a few weeks.
Shakes have always given me good results & helped get me started on a positive note & they have never caused me to put the weight back on, my food choice has.
Enjoy them & the results then just replace the shakes with sensible foods.
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