Quinoa or bulgar? - which is healther?
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@dreena222 you are wrong. I live in the middle of cattle country.0
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Just sharing what I have learned. Isn't that what we do here? Sorry you don't agree with the concept of grain free, you don't have to. Have a great day.0
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The point is you "learned" stuff from Google without applying any basic analysis to the data. You cherry picked the information you wanted and presented it as fact and ignored all of the other information out there that refuted what you were espousing.Just sharing what I have learned. Isn't that what we do here? Sorry you don't agree with the concept of grain free, you don't have to. Have a great day.
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Grains were not regularly consumed for most of human history. Therefore, humans lack the ability to digest and utilize grains, essentially making them a toxin.
Note: It is true that grains were not consumed for the vast majority of human history. However, evolution is constant, and it is completely reasonable to believe that humans have indeed evolved mechanisms over the past 10,000 years to digest wheat and grains, and that’s assuming humans weren’t able to digest them in the first place, a claim which also has no evidence behind it.
Gluten, a protein component of grains, causes adverse reactions in the majority of people, ranging from water retention, weight gain, fatigue, and memory issues, to severe, chronic illnesses like heart disease and cancer.
Note: Celiac disease, a condition in which the body views gluten as an “invader” and fights it with its immune system, is becoming significantly more common. (The reason for this is unknown.) Celiac disease is diagnosed by removing a tiny portion of intestine and looking at it under the microscope. Additionally, certain blood tests can reflect Celiac.1
However, a growing number of experts believe that certain individuals can have sensitivity to gluten without having actual Celiac Disease. For example, Alessio Fasano, MD, who heads the Center for Celiac Research at the University of Maryland, has concluded through his research that around 18,000,000 Americans (between 5 and 6%) have some degree of gluten sensitivity. On the other side of the argument, research from the Columbia University Celiac Disease Center found rates much lower, around 0.55%. Once again, research has been inconclusive and until biologic markers are found that can diagnosis the disorder, the true prevalence will not be known. Still, if you think you may be sensitive to gluten, then by all means try a gluten free diet and see how your body responds.
Grains cause a massive spike in insulin leading to diabetes and obesity.
Note: The processing of grains, which removes what many believe to be the “healthy” part of the grain, yields a product which elicits a much greater insulin response. Whole grains, on the other hand, cause significantly less insulin release. Furthermore, while excess insulin certainly promotes fat storage, fat gain occurs when more calories are consumed than expended. Spikes in insulin can temporarily trigger fat accumulation, but in the setting of an overall calorie deficit, this will quickly be reversed and the net effect will be fat loss.
Grains contain a chemical called Phytic acid, which binds to minerals such as calcium, leaching them from the GI tract and contributing to bone weakness and osteoporosis.
Note: A large research study examined this hypothesis and concluded that Phytic acid does not affect bone density or markers of calcium absorption.2
Grains contain “antinutrients”, which are plant-based defense mechanisms that interfere with digestion and allow the absorption of toxic materials into the bloodstream.
Note: While antinutrients can certainly be detrimental to good health, there is evidence that certain antinutrients actually have health promoting properties. For instance, phytic acid, lectins, phenolic compounds, amylase inhibitors and saponins have been shown to reduce the blood glucose and insulin responses to starchy foods. In addition, phytic acid, phenolics, saponins, protease inhibitors, phytoestrogens and lignans have been related to reduced cancer risks.3
When traditional cultures consumed grains, they were always soaked or fermented first, and/or allowed to sprout (or grow), which in theory makes them more digestible and increases nutrients.4 Again however, there is conflicting evidence. Some research has shown sprouted grains have no greater nutrition than unsprouted.5
I really don't know why, but I suddenly had my favorite Billy Madison quote pop into my head for no apparent reason.
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Thanks for this! I haven't used quinoa yet, but have been thinking of trying it.chivalryder wrote: »Hi all, i have just been reading up on which one of these is better, calorie/health wise.
Which one do most people think is less calories and fat?
Do you have any recipes? Thanks.
Quinoa is really freaking amazing.
Check out the nutritional content of the grain (per 100g):
Calories: 120
Carbohydrates: 21.3g
Fiber: 2.8g
Sugar: 0g
Fat: 1.9g
Protein: 4.4g
Vitamin A: 5.0IU
Vitamin E: 0.6mg
Thiamin: 0.1mg
Riboflavin: 0.1mg
Niacin: 0.4mg
Vitamin B6: 0.1mg
Folate: 42.0mcg
Calcium: 17mg
Iron: 1.5mg
Magnesium: 64.0mg
Phosphorus: 152mg
Potassium: 172mg
Sodium: 7.0mg
Zinc: 1.1mg
Copper: 0.2mg
Manganese: 0.6mg
Selenium: 2.8mcg
I'm not sure about bulgar, but Quinoa is considered one of those "super" foods. It packs a hell of a lot of nutrition into a very small package.
As for it "being a grain" and therefore "not good:" I didn't think it would be very long before I read something full of stupid this morning.
With grains, you have to exclude them from your diet for a while, then re-introduce them to see if you react poorly to them. Or be tested to see if your immune system reacts to them.
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terricherry2 wrote: »Err why are neither of them healthy?! Unless you have a medical issue stopping you eating grains, eat whichever you prefer. Or both. That's sort of like asking which is healthier between broccoli and cauliflower. Their micronutrients will be slightly different, but overall its not really important.
And don't listen to scare mongerers telling you x and y and z foods are the debil!
This person wins.
... and @dreena222 is probably a troll.0 -
All grains are cool. Quinoa is simply getting good press lately. Here's another to try; buckwheat.
Energy per 100 grams, 343 Kcal
Carbohydrates 71.50 g
Protein 13.25 g
Total Fat 3.40 g
Cholesterol 0 mg
Dietary Fiber 10 g
Folates (B9) 30 µg
Niacin (B3) 7.020 mg
Pantothenic acid 1.233 mg
Riboflavin (B2) 0.425 mg
Thiamin (B1) 0.101 mg
Vitamin A 0 IU
Sodium 1 mg
Potassium 460 mg
Calcium 18 mg
Copper 1.100 mg
Iron 2.20 mg
Magnesium 231 mg
Manganese 1.300 mg
Phosphorus 347 mg
Selenium 8.3 µg
Zinc 2.40 mg
Amino acids
Lysine 672 mg
Methionine 172 mg
Tryptophan 192 mg
Buckweat groats is a long-time favorite of mine! I love it in kasha varnishkes
http://homecooking.about.com/od/pastarecipes/r/blpasta3.htm 0 -
Not here for grain bashing...... -_-.....0
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I'm enjoying this idea of an insane farmer buying quinoa for his cows.
Makes those waygu cows look underprivileged!0 -
The cattle that are "fattened" on grains these days are lean meat.
People have been eating grains for at least four million years. We haven't been in an obesity crisis for 4 million years.
Our obesity crisis started when we were all told to eat low fat, and eat "healthy whole grains". Eat less grain, and get thinner.0 -
DrawnToScale wrote: »The cattle that are "fattened" on grains these days are lean meat.
People have been eating grains for at least four million years. We haven't been in an obesity crisis for 4 million years.
Our obesity crisis started when we were all told to eat low fat, and eat "healthy whole grains". Eat less grain, and get thinner.
And clearly, not importing lemons from Mexico causes highway fatalities:
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DrawnToScale wrote: »The cattle that are "fattened" on grains these days are lean meat.
People have been eating grains for at least four million years. We haven't been in an obesity crisis for 4 million years.
Our obesity crisis started when we were all told to eat low fat, and eat "healthy whole grains". Eat less grain, and get thinner.
Which was also about the time Atari home video game systems became widespread.0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »DrawnToScale wrote: »The cattle that are "fattened" on grains these days are lean meat.
People have been eating grains for at least four million years. We haven't been in an obesity crisis for 4 million years.
Our obesity crisis started when we were all told to eat low fat, and eat "healthy whole grains". Eat less grain, and get thinner.
Which was also about the time Atari home video game systems became widespread.
Clearly eating low fat causes people to purchase Ataris!0 -
The point is you "learned" stuff from Google without applying any basic analysis to the data. You cherry picked the information you wanted and presented it as fact and ignored all of the other information out there that refuted what you were espousing.Just sharing what I have learned. Isn't that what we do here? Sorry you don't agree with the concept of grain free, you don't have to. Have a great day.DrawnToScale wrote: »The cattle that are "fattened" on grains these days are lean meat.
People have been eating grains for at least four million years. We haven't been in an obesity crisis for 4 million years.
Our obesity crisis started when we were all told to eat low fat, and eat "healthy whole grains". Eat less grain, and get thinner.
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@DrawnToScale thank you0
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Just sharing what I have learned. Isn't that what we do here? Sorry you don't agree with the concept of grain free, you don't have to. Have a great day.
Why not critically examine the information to see if it is false? It sure would be a fool's errand to demonise a food for a decade or two just to find out you were wrong all along.
I'm telling you that you are wrong about how cattle are raised and that somehow grains make cattle "fat". To "fatten" beef does not necessarily mean "grain-fed". I believe true Kobe beef is grass-fed, but it is also famous for being marbled with fat.0 -
ceoverturf wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »DrawnToScale wrote: »The cattle that are "fattened" on grains these days are lean meat.
People have been eating grains for at least four million years. We haven't been in an obesity crisis for 4 million years.
Our obesity crisis started when we were all told to eat low fat, and eat "healthy whole grains". Eat less grain, and get thinner.
Which was also about the time Atari home video game systems became widespread.
Clearly eating low fat causes people to purchase Ataris!
I can see no other logical conclusion.
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Grain consumption is up, but so are most things.
ERS data suggest that average daily calorie intake increased by 24.5 percent, or about 530 calories, between 1970 and 2000. Of that 24.5-percent increase, grains (mainly refined grain products) contributed 9.5 percentage points; added fats and oils, 9.0 percentage points; added sugars, 4.7 percentage points; fruits and vegetables together, 1.5 percentage points; meats and nuts together, 1 percentage point; and dairy products and eggs together, -1.5 percentage point.
US yearly meat consumption per capita:
1950s: 138.2 lb; 2000: 195.2 lb
cheese, same period: 7.7 lb vs. 29.8 lb
added fats and oils, same period: 44.6 vs. 74.5
Source: http://www.usda.gov/factbook/chapter2.pdf0 -
Need2Exerc1se wrote: »ceoverturf wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »DrawnToScale wrote: »The cattle that are "fattened" on grains these days are lean meat.
People have been eating grains for at least four million years. We haven't been in an obesity crisis for 4 million years.
Our obesity crisis started when we were all told to eat low fat, and eat "healthy whole grains". Eat less grain, and get thinner.
Which was also about the time Atari home video game systems became widespread.
Clearly eating low fat causes people to purchase Ataris!
I can see no other logical conclusion.
It's unfortunate the point will be missed by those most needing to see it though...0 -
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It seems to me that MFP just keeps getting more and more stupid
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I do have to admit the only real reason I even come to MFP is to laugh at woo and silly ideas0
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You missed ALL of the points being made.@DrawnToScale thank you
It's like arguing politics or religion. A closed mind has no room for argument.0 -
ceoverturf wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »ceoverturf wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »DrawnToScale wrote: »The cattle that are "fattened" on grains these days are lean meat.
People have been eating grains for at least four million years. We haven't been in an obesity crisis for 4 million years.
Our obesity crisis started when we were all told to eat low fat, and eat "healthy whole grains". Eat less grain, and get thinner.
Which was also about the time Atari home video game systems became widespread.
Clearly eating low fat causes people to purchase Ataris!
I can see no other logical conclusion.
It's unfortunate the point will be missed by those most needing to see it though...
Sadly the Atari/Obesity link will go unnoticed by the main stream for yet another decade.0 -
ceoverturf wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »ceoverturf wrote: »Need2Exerc1se wrote: »DrawnToScale wrote: »The cattle that are "fattened" on grains these days are lean meat.
People have been eating grains for at least four million years. We haven't been in an obesity crisis for 4 million years.
Our obesity crisis started when we were all told to eat low fat, and eat "healthy whole grains". Eat less grain, and get thinner.
Which was also about the time Atari home video game systems became widespread.
Clearly eating low fat causes people to purchase Ataris!
I can see no other logical conclusion.
It's unfortunate the point will be missed by those most needing to see it though...
Sadly the Atari/Obesity link will go unnoticed by the main stream for yet another decade.
It's a conspiracy by that durn mainstream media0 -
Grains are not created equal.
Whole grains are healthy.
Refined grains are less healthy.0 -
nicfitnesszone wrote: »Grains are not created equal.
Whole grains are healthy.
Refined grains are less healthy.
Define "healthy"0 -
It's only healthy if your body doesn't react negatively to it.ceoverturf wrote: »nicfitnesszone wrote: »Grains are not created equal.
Whole grains are healthy.
Refined grains are less healthy.
Define "healthy"
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Justygirl77 wrote: »
It's only healthy if your body doesn't react negatively to it.ceoverturf wrote: »nicfitnesszone wrote: »Grains are not created equal.
Whole grains are healthy.
Refined grains are less healthy.
Define "healthy"
I tend to agree...I guess I'm wondering why refined grains would be less healthy if my body doesn't 'react negatively' to them.0
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