Does turning vegan helps with weight loss
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The one thing I'd like to add to the discussion is to be mindful of your protein intake. Depending on which sources of information you go to in researching veganism, some downplay the importance of consuming protein.
You need protein. Especially when dieting. Both carbohydrates and protein are muscle sparing, and one of the things you need to worry about while losing weight is the loss of lean muscle mass. When you lose weight, you lose fat and muscle. You can minimize muscle loss by balancing your intake of macro nutrients and doing resistance training.
It's obvious that Cryptonomnomicon got his macro balance right, that's for sure.0 -
Krystle1984 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Krystle1984 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »billieljaime wrote: »
You can call it ignorant, but it's factual.
Factual? Really?! You know what... I just don't care enough to explain to you why you are wrong!
The species of cow we have today wouldn't exist if we didn't breed them to have the certain traits we liked to eat thousands of years back. That is fact.
Same with any other animal we breed for food.
Pets are the same way.
Thousands of years back? I think you need to do some research into the history of farming animals and selective breeding. Selective breeding of farm animals didn't really take off until the 18th century. And it's only since WW2 that the meat market has exploded.
You've also missed the point. What kind of life do you or the original commenter think intensively farmed animals have? And using the fact that farming allows certain breeds a chance to live for a short while before slaughter to justify eating meat is ridiculous. Besides, if no one ate meat these animals could still live, just as nature intended and not in horrific conditions and only until they're worth more dead than alive... Cows, sheep etc would still exist, the breeds would just be different. They would be closer to their natural state, without the specific traits humans identified as desirable taking over.
Look at that. I guess I do care.
We started turning the wild aurochs into domesticated cows over 10000 years ago, but whatever.
And it's still factual that our cows (and all other animals we keep for food or as pets) wouldn't exist if we hadn't started breeding them. You can like that fact or not, but it's a fact, and nothing Orphia said was wrong.0 -
I think turning vegan may ease the control required for calorie deficit because it's not like you will be invited to many dinner parties or restaurants
Actually even though this was a humorous response there is some truth to be gleaned from it. Since veganism is a restrictive diet, you will find your options for already prepared food limited to a degree. So if for instance your weight gain (calorie surplus) was highly contributed to by lets say takeaway food, you would be removing (to a degree) one of the contributing factors. For some the transition has helped because they have had to be more vigilant about what they eat and because of this they have become more aware of the amount they eat as well as the nutritional and caloric values of their food...still not a guarantee of weightloss though, still stand by my original response.
CICO!
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mamapeach910 wrote: »The one thing I'd like to add to the discussion is to be mindful of your protein intake. Depending on which sources of information you go to in researching veganism, some downplay the importance of consuming protein.
You need protein. Especially when dieting. Both carbohydrates and protein are muscle sparing, and one of the things you need to worry about while losing weight is the loss of lean muscle mass. When you lose weight, you lose fat and muscle. You can minimize muscle loss by balancing your intake of macro nutrients and doing resistance training.
It's obvious that Cryptonomnomicon got his macro balance right, that's for sure.
I would agree with this to a certain extent, OP. Just don't be scared away by those who automatically think getting enough protein is nearly impossible on a vegan diet. It's not. Do a bit of research.0 -
Krystle1984 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Krystle1984 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »billieljaime wrote: »
You can call it ignorant, but it's factual.
Factual? Really?! You know what... I just don't care enough to explain to you why you are wrong!
The species of cow we have today wouldn't exist if we didn't breed them to have the certain traits we liked to eat thousands of years back. That is fact.
Same with any other animal we breed for food.
Pets are the same way.
Besides, if no one ate meat these animals could still live, just as nature intended and not in horrific conditions and only until they're worth more dead than alive... Cows, sheep etc would still exist, the breeds would just be different. They would be closer to their natural state, without the specific traits humans identified as desirable taking over.
Sadly, this isn't true. Nature never intended for the breeds we have today. You cannot reverse selective breeding so we'll never get the original breeds back. We also sadly live in a world where many animals aren't allowed to live if they aren't profitable, so if everyone became vegan those animals would just be culled, not set free to live in the wild - which would be a bad idea anyway as our natural habitats have adapted to life WITHOUT such animals. There would be huge overgrazing problems and our natural habitats wouldn't cope with such an influx of new species. Everyone being vegan would also be unsustainable. Animals live and graze on land which is unsuitable to grow crops on. There isn't enough usable land for everyone to just eat plant products.
But back to the original post. Like everyone said, OP, a vegan diet won't help you lose weight if you aren't in a calorie deficit. Go vegan if it suits your beliefs but you probably shouldn't do it for health, since it's no more healthy (or unhealthy, before I get jumped on) than an omnivore diet.0 -
mamapeach910 wrote: »The one thing I'd like to add to the discussion is to be mindful of your protein intake. Depending on which sources of information you go to in researching veganism, some downplay the importance of consuming protein.
You need protein. Especially when dieting. Both carbohydrates and protein are muscle sparing, and one of the things you need to worry about while losing weight is the loss of lean muscle mass. When you lose weight, you lose fat and muscle. You can minimize muscle loss by balancing your intake of macro nutrients and doing resistance training.
It's obvious that Cryptonomnomicon got his macro balance right, that's for sure.
I would agree with this to a certain extent, OP. Just don't be scared away by those who automatically think getting enough protein is nearly impossible on a vegan diet. It's not. Do a bit of research.
Oh, totally agree. There are a lot of fabulous sources of vegan protein. Seitan, tempeh, tofu, hemp seeds, beans or lentils and rice, nuts and seeds....
A lot of vegetables have a nice dose of protein eaten in quantity too. Spinach comes to mind.
Just make sure to eat enough of them!
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MarziPanda95 wrote: »Krystle1984 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Krystle1984 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »billieljaime wrote: »
You can call it ignorant, but it's factual.
Factual? Really?! You know what... I just don't care enough to explain to you why you are wrong!
The species of cow we have today wouldn't exist if we didn't breed them to have the certain traits we liked to eat thousands of years back. That is fact.
Same with any other animal we breed for food.
Pets are the same way.
Besides, if no one ate meat these animals could still live, just as nature intended and not in horrific conditions and only until they're worth more dead than alive... Cows, sheep etc would still exist, the breeds would just be different. They would be closer to their natural state, without the specific traits humans identified as desirable taking over.
Sadly, this isn't true. Nature never intended for the breeds we have today. You cannot reverse selective breeding so we'll never get the original breeds back. We also sadly live in a world where many animals aren't allowed to live if they aren't profitable, so if everyone became vegan those animals would just be culled, not set free to live in the wild - which would be a bad idea anyway as our natural habitats have adapted to life WITHOUT such animals. There would be huge overgrazing problems and our natural habitats wouldn't cope with such an influx of new species. Everyone being vegan would also be unsustainable. Animals live and graze on land which is unsuitable to grow crops on. There isn't enough usable land for everyone to just eat plant products.
But back to the original post. Like everyone said, OP, a vegan diet won't help you lose weight if you aren't in a calorie deficit. Go vegan if it suits your beliefs but you probably shouldn't do it for health, since it's no more healthy (or unhealthy, before I get jumped on) than an omnivore diet.
I don't want to contribute to the derailing of this thread, but in the U.S., the vast majority - nearly all - animals farmed for food do not graze as their primary source of food, if at all. They are factory farmed. I could get into more about how much water and grain is used to farm these animals in this method, which could otherwise be used to care for humans, but that would further derail this. I just wanted to correct the grazing statement, in reference to the U.S.0 -
I don't think "Nature" has an intent. But, to the extent it does, it shouldn't have made DNA work the way it does if it doesn't like the outcomes because we're part of "Nature," too."MarziPanda95 wrote: »Nature never intended for the breeds we have today.
Veganism would definitely help me lose weight. I'd be starving.0 -
MarziPanda95 wrote: »Krystle1984 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Krystle1984 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »billieljaime wrote: »
You can call it ignorant, but it's factual.
Factual? Really?! You know what... I just don't care enough to explain to you why you are wrong!
The species of cow we have today wouldn't exist if we didn't breed them to have the certain traits we liked to eat thousands of years back. That is fact.
Same with any other animal we breed for food.
Pets are the same way.
Besides, if no one ate meat these animals could still live, just as nature intended and not in horrific conditions and only until they're worth more dead than alive... Cows, sheep etc would still exist, the breeds would just be different. They would be closer to their natural state, without the specific traits humans identified as desirable taking over.
Sadly, this isn't true. Nature never intended for the breeds we have today. You cannot reverse selective breeding so we'll never get the original breeds back. We also sadly live in a world where many animals aren't allowed to live if they aren't profitable, so if everyone became vegan those animals would just be culled, not set free to live in the wild - which would be a bad idea anyway as our natural habitats have adapted to life WITHOUT such animals. There would be huge overgrazing problems and our natural habitats wouldn't cope with such an influx of new species. Everyone being vegan would also be unsustainable. Animals live and graze on land which is unsuitable to grow crops on. There isn't enough usable land for everyone to just eat plant products.
But back to the original post. Like everyone said, OP, a vegan diet won't help you lose weight if you aren't in a calorie deficit. Go vegan if it suits your beliefs but you probably shouldn't do it for health, since it's no more healthy (or unhealthy, before I get jumped on) than an omnivore diet.
I'm not getting drawn into a ethical debate about veganism (because it's never ending) but your response made me think of this...
https://youtu.be/FQMbXvn2RNI
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MarziPanda95 wrote: »Krystle1984 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Krystle1984 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »billieljaime wrote: »
You can call it ignorant, but it's factual.
Factual? Really?! You know what... I just don't care enough to explain to you why you are wrong!
The species of cow we have today wouldn't exist if we didn't breed them to have the certain traits we liked to eat thousands of years back. That is fact.
Same with any other animal we breed for food.
Pets are the same way.
Besides, if no one ate meat these animals could still live, just as nature intended and not in horrific conditions and only until they're worth more dead than alive... Cows, sheep etc would still exist, the breeds would just be different. They would be closer to their natural state, without the specific traits humans identified as desirable taking over.
Sadly, this isn't true. Nature never intended for the breeds we have today. You cannot reverse selective breeding so we'll never get the original breeds back. We also sadly live in a world where many animals aren't allowed to live if they aren't profitable, so if everyone became vegan those animals would just be culled, not set free to live in the wild - which would be a bad idea anyway as our natural habitats have adapted to life WITHOUT such animals. There would be huge overgrazing problems and our natural habitats wouldn't cope with such an influx of new species. Everyone being vegan would also be unsustainable. Animals live and graze on land which is unsuitable to grow crops on. There isn't enough usable land for everyone to just eat plant products.
But back to the original post. Like everyone said, OP, a vegan diet won't help you lose weight if you aren't in a calorie deficit. Go vegan if it suits your beliefs but you probably shouldn't do it for health, since it's no more healthy (or unhealthy, before I get jumped on) than an omnivore diet.
I don't want to contribute to the derailing of this thread, but in the U.S., the vast majority - nearly all - animals farmed for food do not graze as their primary source of food, if at all. They are factory farmed. I could get into more about how much water and grain is used to farm these animals in this method, which could otherwise be used to care for humans, but that would further derail this. I just wanted to correct the grazing statement, in reference to the U.S.
This is true of many countries, not just the US. Also, I know you can't reverse selective breeding, I was referring to how things could have been had selective breeding not taken place. But there are livestock breeds that could function in a wild environment, and this wouldn't happen overnight so I do believe it could be possible. The environment and animals would adapt as species have been doing for thousands of years. I live in the UK and our countryside is relatively well suited to free range livestock. It's a moot point really though as it will never happen!
Anyway, I was really just trying to reiterate that using the fact animals wouldn't exist as they do today without meat farming to justify giving up vegetarianism is just plain stupid. Eat what you want and if you have to make lame excuses for your choices then maybe re-evaluate them... As I don't want to take this off topic any more either I will leave it there!
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Krystle1984 wrote: »MarziPanda95 wrote: »Krystle1984 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Krystle1984 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »billieljaime wrote: »
You can call it ignorant, but it's factual.
Factual? Really?! You know what... I just don't care enough to explain to you why you are wrong!
The species of cow we have today wouldn't exist if we didn't breed them to have the certain traits we liked to eat thousands of years back. That is fact.
Same with any other animal we breed for food.
Pets are the same way.
Besides, if no one ate meat these animals could still live, just as nature intended and not in horrific conditions and only until they're worth more dead than alive... Cows, sheep etc would still exist, the breeds would just be different. They would be closer to their natural state, without the specific traits humans identified as desirable taking over.
Sadly, this isn't true. Nature never intended for the breeds we have today. You cannot reverse selective breeding so we'll never get the original breeds back. We also sadly live in a world where many animals aren't allowed to live if they aren't profitable, so if everyone became vegan those animals would just be culled, not set free to live in the wild - which would be a bad idea anyway as our natural habitats have adapted to life WITHOUT such animals. There would be huge overgrazing problems and our natural habitats wouldn't cope with such an influx of new species. Everyone being vegan would also be unsustainable. Animals live and graze on land which is unsuitable to grow crops on. There isn't enough usable land for everyone to just eat plant products.
But back to the original post. Like everyone said, OP, a vegan diet won't help you lose weight if you aren't in a calorie deficit. Go vegan if it suits your beliefs but you probably shouldn't do it for health, since it's no more healthy (or unhealthy, before I get jumped on) than an omnivore diet.
I don't want to contribute to the derailing of this thread, but in the U.S., the vast majority - nearly all - animals farmed for food do not graze as their primary source of food, if at all. They are factory farmed. I could get into more about how much water and grain is used to farm these animals in this method, which could otherwise be used to care for humans, but that would further derail this. I just wanted to correct the grazing statement, in reference to the U.S.
This is true of many countries, not just the US. Also, I know you can't reverse selective breeding, I was referring to how things could have been had selective breeding not taken place. But there are livestock breeds that could function in a wild environment, and this wouldn't happen overnight so I do believe it could be possible. The environment and animals would adapt as species have been doing for thousands of years. I live in the UK and our countryside is relatively well suited to free range livestock. It's a moot point really though as it will never happen!
Anyway, I was really just trying to reiterate that using the fact animals wouldn't exist as they do today without meat farming to justify giving up vegetarianism is just plain stupid. Eat what you want and if you have to make lame excuses for your choices then maybe re-evaluate them... As I don't want to take this off topic any more either I will leave it there!
You're right, it's true/is beginning to be true in other countries that are following the factory farming method. I don't know if it's become the primary method in other countries, which is why I just clarified in terms of the U.S.0 -
I suggest trying to be a vegetarian FIRST. It can be a very difficult and confusing process, so small steps are probably better. Nothing about being vegan or vegetarian will help in weight loss, though. I've been a vegetarian for 6 years and it's still frustrating at times to deal with people or find food when going out to eat.0
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I think turning vegan may ease the control required for calorie defecit because it's not like you will be invited to many dinner parties or restaurants
I have had no issues with parties and going out but it does stop me from getting takeaways and eating the cakes which other people bring into work which my body thanks me for 0 -
Here's my experience...
I was a competitive martial artist when I was a teen, but always struggled with my weight and typically hung around the upper limits of my weight class for a 5'1 female. I really wanted to compete in a lower class, because the girls I fought (125's) tended to be taller than I was.
There was a family at the studio who were strick vegans and all of them were very trim and in seemingly good shape. I talked with my girlfriends mom about their diet and she explained. I decided to go Vegan and that was my new style of eating for the next 3 years. Being young and active, I didn't necessarily count calories, mostly ate a healthy variety and ate until satiety. Many meals contained flax, temph and other soy peoduct. I also cut out anything refined; no white anything, sugar etc. My desserts were fruits and my beverages coffee, water and coconut water.
With all that said, it was hard work to prep all my meals to ensure I had food the next day. No one else ate this way in my household and I had to use my own money from working to purchase some foods that were out of a single mothers budget, more expensive surly. Over a six month period I went from 125 to 114lbs and maintained my muscle mass according to hydrostatic body fat composition testing. I felt amazing and was able to compete in a lower weight class, which I kicked butt in!!
As time went by I slowly started eating eggs again, which I missed terribly, them milk, fish and finally a fully omnivorous diet.
With all that said, did I need to go Vegan to lose the 11 lbs I did? Likely not, but anyone who has been around their goal will probably tell you how difficult it is to move that scale even 2 lbs and maintian. A vegan diet made it easier for me to do so. Even though I wasn't counting calories, I was consuming over 2500 on a daily basis, which isn't something I could do now and lose weight without killing myself. So I do believe it would be hard to hit my macros with only 1500 calories per day. The shear volume of foods I'd have to eat is enough to detour me from wanting to return to the life style, plus, I do love animal products, I just choose to purchase brands that are humanly raised.0 -
Jennikitten wrote: »I think turning vegan may ease the control required for calorie defecit because it's not like you will be invited to many dinner parties or restaurants
I have had no issues with parties and going out but it does stop me from getting takeaways and eating the cakes which other people bring into work which my body thanks me for
People brink vegan cake into work? That's considerate of them.
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galgenstrick wrote: »I went vegan in high school. Went from 190 to 140 without counting calories. If you do it you need to pay special attention to protein and resistance training. 10 years later and I'm still trying to undo the damage my vegan diet caused because I neglected those things.
In much the same boat. I lost a lot of weight, but metabolically I'm maladjusted for eating anything else. I've tried going back since with very limited success. I was never fit while vegan (although my energy levels were far higher than they had been before), I was pretty much skinny fat. Definitely saw some serious short term weight loss but when I finally broke and went omni again I was ill equipped in terms of habits to keep my success up. I also had awesome BP for a while after being vegan (no cholesterol helps I guess?) it was towards the low end of normal. My environment changed severely also. I went from living in Southern California to Texas where the climate and the food choices are less conducive to outdoor activity outside of eating on a patio. In short: going vegan for a while might help you do things like packing in a lot more micronutrient rich foods and dietary fiber (dietary fiber has always been crucial any time I've lost any weight at all), but in the long run not sticking with it can really bring out dietary disciplinary problems you might not even realize you have. All that said, it's rather difficult to discern how much of the weight I lost was because of my vegan diet and how much was simply a function of my being 17 at the time prior to developing a pretty serious alcohol habit. These are just some things to bear in mind as you make your decisions.0 -
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I'm just saying I lived near the coast where heat exhaustion is virtually unheard of. Summers here can be hazardous if you're trying to do things like jog outside.DeguelloTex wrote: »
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I know overweight vegetarians and vegans...
One's choice to become vegetarian or vegan shouldn't have anything to do with weightloss.0 -
Yeah, mornings or evenings are more optimal for jogging than midday in the summer. Not sure how the available food choices are meaningfully different, but I do try to steer clear of exercising in the summer sun.
I'm just saying I lived near the coast where heat exhaustion is virtually unheard of. Summers here can be hazardous if you're trying to do things like jog outside.DeguelloTex wrote: »
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The food tastes better here
EDIT: With the exception of the California burrito. But they don't have Texas BBQ. So there's that.0 -
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MarziPanda95 wrote: »Krystle1984 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Krystle1984 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »billieljaime wrote: »
You can call it ignorant, but it's factual.
Factual? Really?! You know what... I just don't care enough to explain to you why you are wrong!
The species of cow we have today wouldn't exist if we didn't breed them to have the certain traits we liked to eat thousands of years back. That is fact.
Same with any other animal we breed for food.
Pets are the same way.
Besides, if no one ate meat these animals could still live, just as nature intended and not in horrific conditions and only until they're worth more dead than alive... Cows, sheep etc would still exist, the breeds would just be different. They would be closer to their natural state, without the specific traits humans identified as desirable taking over.
Sadly, this isn't true. Nature never intended for the breeds we have today. You cannot reverse selective breeding so we'll never get the original breeds back. We also sadly live in a world where many animals aren't allowed to live if they aren't profitable, so if everyone became vegan those animals would just be culled, not set free to live in the wild - which would be a bad idea anyway as our natural habitats have adapted to life WITHOUT such animals. There would be huge overgrazing problems and our natural habitats wouldn't cope with such an influx of new species. Everyone being vegan would also be unsustainable. Animals live and graze on land which is unsuitable to grow crops on. There isn't enough usable land for everyone to just eat plant products.
But back to the original post. Like everyone said, OP, a vegan diet won't help you lose weight if you aren't in a calorie deficit. Go vegan if it suits your beliefs but you probably shouldn't do it for health, since it's no more healthy (or unhealthy, before I get jumped on) than an omnivore diet.
I don't want to contribute to the derailing of this thread, but in the U.S., the vast majority - nearly all - animals farmed for food do not graze as their primary source of food, if at all. They are factory farmed. I could get into more about how much water and grain is used to farm these animals in this method, which could otherwise be used to care for humans, but that would further derail this. I just wanted to correct the grazing statement, in reference to the U.S.
My final comment is to add that I'm Australian. I grew up on a sheep and cattle farm, and I've seen what good lives our animals have here. No factory-farming here.0 -
Just remember, you can't eat gelato or the Vegan Police will get you.
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I guess it's no surprise this turned into a debate about the ethics of being an omnivore vs. being a vegan. I think it would help if you stuck to the healthy stuff but thats the case with an omnivore diet too. I don't think vegan is a diet magic bullet. French fries are vegan after all
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MarziPanda95 wrote: »Krystle1984 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Krystle1984 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »billieljaime wrote: »
You can call it ignorant, but it's factual.
Factual? Really?! You know what... I just don't care enough to explain to you why you are wrong!
The species of cow we have today wouldn't exist if we didn't breed them to have the certain traits we liked to eat thousands of years back. That is fact.
Same with any other animal we breed for food.
Pets are the same way.
Besides, if no one ate meat these animals could still live, just as nature intended and not in horrific conditions and only until they're worth more dead than alive... Cows, sheep etc would still exist, the breeds would just be different. They would be closer to their natural state, without the specific traits humans identified as desirable taking over.
Sadly, this isn't true. Nature never intended for the breeds we have today. You cannot reverse selective breeding so we'll never get the original breeds back. We also sadly live in a world where many animals aren't allowed to live if they aren't profitable, so if everyone became vegan those animals would just be culled, not set free to live in the wild - which would be a bad idea anyway as our natural habitats have adapted to life WITHOUT such animals. There would be huge overgrazing problems and our natural habitats wouldn't cope with such an influx of new species. Everyone being vegan would also be unsustainable. Animals live and graze on land which is unsuitable to grow crops on. There isn't enough usable land for everyone to just eat plant products.
But back to the original post. Like everyone said, OP, a vegan diet won't help you lose weight if you aren't in a calorie deficit. Go vegan if it suits your beliefs but you probably shouldn't do it for health, since it's no more healthy (or unhealthy, before I get jumped on) than an omnivore diet.
I don't want to contribute to the derailing of this thread, but in the U.S., the vast majority - nearly all - animals farmed for food do not graze as their primary source of food, if at all. They are factory farmed. I could get into more about how much water and grain is used to farm these animals in this method, which could otherwise be used to care for humans, but that would further derail this. I just wanted to correct the grazing statement, in reference to the U.S.
My final comment is to add that I'm Australian. I grew up on a sheep and cattle farm, and I've seen what good lives our animals have here. No factory-farming here.
I am Australian and grew up on a sheep farm and I have to ask you, do you seriously believe there is no factory farming in Australia? Had a look at the Australian Pig and Poultry industry lately? And I am pretty sure those factory feeding lots aren't much fun for the cattle being "finished off" either.
And OP I agree with what others have said, eat how you want as long as you meet CICO requirements you will lose weight regardless of how you choose to do that.0 -
If you eat a healthy, plant based vegan diet then yes, it can help with weight loss. Just a vegan diet isn't inherently healthier though (Oreos and coca cola are vegan after all). I went vegan cold turkey in April and I find it's also easier to eat at a calorie deficit since plant based foods aren't generally very calorie dense. In fact some days I have to make myself eat more than I normally would because I haven't eaten enough calories. Because of that I'm pretty much never hungry and yet I maintain a calorie deficit. I lost a pants size in a month just from going plant based with minimal exercise the last two weeks (and zero exercise the first two). I used MFP to track my macros. If you find yourself lacking in protein there are vegan protein powders as well that go great in smoothies.0
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charlieandcarol wrote: »MarziPanda95 wrote: »Krystle1984 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »Krystle1984 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »billieljaime wrote: »
You can call it ignorant, but it's factual.
Factual? Really?! You know what... I just don't care enough to explain to you why you are wrong!
The species of cow we have today wouldn't exist if we didn't breed them to have the certain traits we liked to eat thousands of years back. That is fact.
Same with any other animal we breed for food.
Pets are the same way.
Besides, if no one ate meat these animals could still live, just as nature intended and not in horrific conditions and only until they're worth more dead than alive... Cows, sheep etc would still exist, the breeds would just be different. They would be closer to their natural state, without the specific traits humans identified as desirable taking over.
Sadly, this isn't true. Nature never intended for the breeds we have today. You cannot reverse selective breeding so we'll never get the original breeds back. We also sadly live in a world where many animals aren't allowed to live if they aren't profitable, so if everyone became vegan those animals would just be culled, not set free to live in the wild - which would be a bad idea anyway as our natural habitats have adapted to life WITHOUT such animals. There would be huge overgrazing problems and our natural habitats wouldn't cope with such an influx of new species. Everyone being vegan would also be unsustainable. Animals live and graze on land which is unsuitable to grow crops on. There isn't enough usable land for everyone to just eat plant products.
But back to the original post. Like everyone said, OP, a vegan diet won't help you lose weight if you aren't in a calorie deficit. Go vegan if it suits your beliefs but you probably shouldn't do it for health, since it's no more healthy (or unhealthy, before I get jumped on) than an omnivore diet.
I don't want to contribute to the derailing of this thread, but in the U.S., the vast majority - nearly all - animals farmed for food do not graze as their primary source of food, if at all. They are factory farmed. I could get into more about how much water and grain is used to farm these animals in this method, which could otherwise be used to care for humans, but that would further derail this. I just wanted to correct the grazing statement, in reference to the U.S.
My final comment is to add that I'm Australian. I grew up on a sheep and cattle farm, and I've seen what good lives our animals have here. No factory-farming here.
I am Australian and grew up on a sheep farm and I have to ask you, do you seriously believe there is no factory farming in Australia? Had a look at the Australian Pig and Poultry industry lately? And I am pretty sure those factory feeding lots aren't much fun for the cattle being "finished off" either.
And OP I agree with what others have said, eat how you want as long as you meet CICO requirements you will lose weight regardless of how you choose to do that.
Fine, but I thought we were talking about cows and sheep, if you go back through the quotes. End-of-life feedlots don't count as cows/sheep being factory-farmed if you're being accurate.
Plus, my initial comment was about about farmed animals mostly not living if they weren't farmed, which hasn't been debunked.0 -
No, eating in a deficit does.0
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Oreos are vegan, if that answers your question.0
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