Thoughts on diet high in fat??
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I agree there's definitely not a one size fits all approach when it comes to nutrition for fitness. I don't really see the sense in cutting out a whole food group completely (they are there for a reason, right). The whole Keto thing seems far to strict for me, I think it advocates that your carbs should be at a ratio of 10% or something. I'm thinking about 130 grams of carbs would be fine for me, but it'll probably take a bit of experimentation.
130g of carbs would not be in line with the diet you are asking about. If you want most of your calories to come from fat then the calories from carbs need to be reduced. if you do not want to go as extreme as 20 NET carbs i suggest at least staying below 100.
This website can help you find the correct macros. http://keto-calculator.ankerl.com/
Thanks for the advice Marcae, I'll definitely keep it in mind as it something I might try out in the future depending on how I get on with my current Macro ratios.
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cleanbulk_hatersgfy wrote: »I used to be on 60% carbs/30% protein/10% fat switched to 20c/30p/50f. I don't always hit my target but pretty close.
I have the same energy level. The only difference I noticed is the satiety level. I normally need to eat every 2-3 hours with 60% carbs, albeit they are mostly from complex carbs. With 50% fat I can go 4-5 hours in between meals. My sources of fat are nuts, avocado, fresh and dried coconut, olive oil, black olives, salmon, sardines in olive oil, eggs, lean meat, flax meal/seeds, dark chocolates.
Thanks for the post, that's pretty close to the ratio's I'm implementing, its always good to see what types of foods other are using to reach they're goals as well.
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http://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2015/06/23/what-happens-to-the-carbs/
Makes the interesting point that saturated fat is made by the body. Backs up published work by Volk, Volek and others showing levels of fats in blood unrelated to levels in food.0 -
http://drmalcolmkendrick.org/2015/06/23/what-happens-to-the-carbs/
Makes the interesting point that saturated fat is made by the body. Backs up published work by Volk, Volek and others showing levels of fats in blood unrelated to levels in food.
Quacks gonna quack
"Once the liver and muscles are full of sugar (stored as glycogen – a polymer of glucose) the body can do absolutely nothing else with it, but turn it into fat – through the processes I have described earlier. This is basic, incontrovertible science."
So if glycogen stores are full, zero % of the carbs will be oxidized and 100% will be turned to fat through DNL?0 -
He refers to "Excess carbohydrates" further up, but could have made it clearer.0
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He refers to "Excess carbohydrates" further up, but could have made it clearer.
he quotes a wikipedia post that refers to excess, he however doesn't mention it at all
"1: Carbohydrates, such as fruit and vegetables, bread, pasta… and, of course, less complex sugars – such as the stuff we sprinkle on cornflakes, that we call ‘sugar’, are all turned into simple sugars in the human digestive tract before entering the bloodstream.
2: If you keep eating carbohydrate the resultant simple sugars will, at first, be stored. The human body can pack away around 1,500 calories of sugar. However, once this limit is reached, the liver will turn the rest into fat."
Again, eating carbs means it's either stored as glycogen or it's converted to fat at a 100% rate through DNL
"hen you understand the science you find yourself looking at the diet heart hypothesis (fat in the diet raises LDL levels, which causes heart disease) and thinking. This does not make any sense at all. Yet, such is the determination of the nutritional experts to defend their position that they never, ever, talk about ‘what happens to the carbs?’
What happens to the carbs is that they are all turned into saturated fat. This then raises VLDL levels and these, in turn becomes LDL. Yet eating carbs is supposed to be healthy, and eating saturated fat is unhealthy. Go figure."
Yup, there has been zero overfeeding trials looking at what happens during carb overfeeding.0 -
I was on the keto diet for epilepsy (it was pretty extreme) and I couldn't get on with it.
Nausea, always on the loo, bad breath etc. Carbs were negligible so slightly different to yours but I remember everything had double cream in it and inches of butter on everything. It sounds great but believe me after a while I would've given my right arm for some plain toast and plain veggies and just a little bit of sugar. I was virtually sugar free and to home cook everything.
But bizarrely after all that moaning I have to say I was never sluggish and had good energy levels.0 -
What happens to the carbs is that they are all turned into saturated fat. This then raises VLDL levels and these, in turn becomes LDL. Yet eating carbs is supposed to be healthy, and eating saturated fat is unhealthy. Go figure."
Yup, there has been zero overfeeding trials looking at what happens during carb overfeeding.
Actually the USDA has put us on a 50 year Carb overfeeding trial. Results: 60-70% of the American population is overweight. High levels of type 2 diabetes, cancer, arthritis....
Sweden is bucking the trend by recommending a low carb diet for their nation. I believe the results are promising so far. I wonder what the verdict will be in 50 years.
I think, as with most things a balance will be found.
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What happens to the carbs is that they are all turned into saturated fat. This then raises VLDL levels and these, in turn becomes LDL. Yet eating carbs is supposed to be healthy, and eating saturated fat is unhealthy. Go figure."
Yup, there has been zero overfeeding trials looking at what happens during carb overfeeding.
Actually the USDA has put us on a 50 year Carb overfeeding trial. Results: 60-70% of the American population is overweight. High levels of type 2 diabetes, cancer, arthritis....
Sweden is bucking the trend by recommending a low carb diet for their nation. I believe the results are promising so far. I wonder what the verdict will be in 50 years.
I think, as with most things a balance will be found.
http://www.helgilibrary.com/indicators/index/sugar-consumption-per-capita
https://www.statsmonkey.com/table/20586-list-of-countries-by-sugar-consumption.php
The USA is only 38th place in sugar consumption, but last I checked the USA was #1 in obesity.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9d/Obesity_country_comparison_-_path.svg0 -
What happens to the carbs is that they are all turned into saturated fat. This then raises VLDL levels and these, in turn becomes LDL. Yet eating carbs is supposed to be healthy, and eating saturated fat is unhealthy. Go figure."
Yup, there has been zero overfeeding trials looking at what happens during carb overfeeding.
Actually the USDA has put us on a 50 year Carb overfeeding trial. Results: 60-70% of the American population is overweight. High levels of type 2 diabetes, cancer, arthritis....
Sweden is bucking the trend by recommending a low carb diet for their nation. I believe the results are promising so far. I wonder what the verdict will be in 50 years.
I think, as with most things a balance will be found.
Yup just the carbs, no other potential confounders there
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@stevencloser the US gets a better grade when one looks at a state map. The obesity epidemic is uneven.
So I think the reasons are more regional than systemic. What is different about the states that rate highest in obesity? What are the "good" states doing right?0 -
@stevencloser the US gets a better grade when one looks at a state map. The obesity epidemic is uneven.
So I think the reasons are more regional than systemic. What is different about the states that rate highest in obesity? What are the "good" states doing right?
Apparently there's some doubt about the stats. See: http://www.uab.edu/news/latest/item/3350-south-not-the-fattest-part-of-us-after-all-study-says.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »
What happens to the carbs is that they are all turned into saturated fat. This then raises VLDL levels and these, in turn becomes LDL. Yet eating carbs is supposed to be healthy, and eating saturated fat is unhealthy. Go figure."
Yup, there has been zero overfeeding trials looking at what happens during carb overfeeding.
Actually the USDA has put us on a 50 year Carb overfeeding trial. Results: 60-70% of the American population is overweight. High levels of type 2 diabetes, cancer, arthritis....
Sweden is bucking the trend by recommending a low carb diet for their nation. I believe the results are promising so far. I wonder what the verdict will be in 50 years.
I think, as with most things a balance will be found.
http://www.helgilibrary.com/indicators/index/sugar-consumption-per-capita
https://www.statsmonkey.com/table/20586-list-of-countries-by-sugar-consumption.php
The USA is only 38th place in sugar consumption, but last I checked the USA was #1 in obesity.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9d/Obesity_country_comparison_-_path.svg
Well, I was attempting to find some stats on carb consumption vs sugar consumption and found this site: Global Nutrient Consumption and BMI Which didn't support my view at all. SO I think I'll just shut up for the moment. lol0 -
stevencloser wrote: »The USA is only 38th place in sugar consumption, but last I checked the USA was #1 in obesity.
add in the HFCS and see where you are. http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/02/05/where-people-around-the-world-eat-the-most-sugar-and-fat/
1st for intake of sugars, 16th for fat ?0
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