Paleolithic diet seems so extreme. What about this idea?

Deipneus

I get the idea about eating like a caveman and all that, but why go all the way back to the Paleolithic era? I mean, did someone experiment with the Mesolithic diet and go: "Well, that didn't work,let's try the Paleolithic Era." For goodness sake they used stones for hunting and lived under housing made of tree branches! I'm afraid that if I eat a Paleolithic diet I may lose IQ. Those folks weren't real smart.

At least the Mesolithics had enough sense to sharpen their stones for hunting and discovered that flint was easier to sharpen.

By the Neolithic era, they were domesticating animals and producing grains, fruits and vegetables from seeds. They started making plows out of antlers and developed mortars and pestles to grind cereals and grains.

It just seems more logical to start with Neolithic and work my way backward. Thoughts?

HeidiCooksSupper

I keep thinking about life span. Even in the Neolithic era, I would be either dead or a strange phenomenon.

dsjohndrow

I am only going back as far as the Filet Mignon Period. And I am smart enough to pay some one to prepare it.

Denjo060

I am only going back as far as the Filet Mignon Period. And I am smart enough to pay some one to prepare it.

:bigsmile: :laugh: :laugh:
HAHAHAHAH Im with you

Akimajuktuq

Please stop. If you disagree with the Paleo/Primal (stupid name, I agree) lifestyle then just leave it alone. Kinda like I ignore vegan threads unless they put "ethics" in the title (I actually do have experience being vegan). It's beyond frustrating that so many people jump out of the woodwork to speak against this lifestyle, even start their own threads to slam it, when the majority of them have a false understanding of it and have absolutely NO personal experience with it.

Eating things like steaks, eggs, and salads is not "extreme" for me. I enjoy feeling well instead of sick, so why don't you just make up for my lack of grain consumption by eating double?

(FYI: deaths due to accidents, injuries, infections is different than death due to disease. I have 90 year old grandparents that have been sick for 60 years due to their diet-they did not smoke or drink ever. Their lives have been prolonged by surgeries and drugs and by basically sitting still and not moving... is that LIVING? They could have lived just as long but with less suffering; why wouldn't we want that? Well, do what you want; I am.)

Deipneus

Please stop. If you disagree with the Paleo/Primal (stupid name, I agree) lifestyle then just leave it alone. Kinda like I ignore vegan threads unless they put "ethics" in the title (I actually do have experience being vegan). It's beyond frustrating that so many people jump out of the woodwork to speak against this lifestyle, even start their own threads to slam it, when the majority of them have a false understanding of it and have absolutely NO personal experience with it.

Buzz kill. I thought that the fact that I put this in Chit-Chat, Fun, and Games would have said it all.

Hexahedra

Please stop. If you disagree with the Paleo/Primal (stupid name, I agree) lifestyle then just leave it alone. Kinda like I ignore vegan threads unless they put "ethics" in the title (I actually do have experience being vegan). It's beyond frustrating that so many people jump out of the woodwork to speak against this lifestyle, even start their own threads to slam it, when the majority of them have a false understanding of it and have absolutely NO personal experience with it.

Eating things like steaks, eggs, and salads is not "extreme" for me. I enjoy feeling well instead of sick, so why don't you just make up for my lack of grain consumption by eating double?

(FYI: deaths due to accidents, injuries, infections is different than death due to disease. I have 90 year old grandparents that have been sick for 60 years due to their diet-they did not smoke or drink ever. Their lives have been prolonged by surgeries and drugs and by basically sitting still and not moving... is that LIVING? They could have lived just as long but with less suffering; why wouldn't we want that? Well, do what you want; I am.)

Sensitive, are we?

If there's a diet I want to try, that would be the one practiced by the people in Ikaria.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/28/magazine/the-island-where-people-forget-to-die.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

MikeFlyMike

O.P. (southcarolina), I see you have had tremendous weight loss and your health is excellent except for achalasia.
Interestingly enough it is correlated to auto immune disorders and eating paleo is quite helpful in these areas.

Simply googling achalasia and auto immune or achalasia and paleo, I find several references including some who claim to be cured.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/social/Louise_Buckley?action=comments

You might think about trying a whole30 paleo or maybe even an anti-inflammatory version (no nightshades).

I know that going paleo for me cured me of lots of little nagging symptoms including constant joint pain.
If I had achalasia, I'd be the first one to see trying to eat good protein, veggies, nuts, fruit and no processed crap made me feel better.
Maybe worth a try for you?

(btw, I have one friend who lost her sense of smell completely - after going paleo, she is getting her sense of smell back. Its crazy what food can do to the human body)

Akimajuktuq

Please stop. If you disagree with the Paleo/Primal (stupid name, I agree) lifestyle then just leave it alone. Kinda like I ignore vegan threads unless they put "ethics" in the title (I actually do have experience being vegan). It's beyond frustrating that so many people jump out of the woodwork to speak against this lifestyle, even start their own threads to slam it, when the majority of them have a false understanding of it and have absolutely NO personal experience with it.

Buzz kill. I thought that the fact that I put this in Chit-Chat, Fun, and Games would have said it all.
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Good one, if this truly is a joke. It's pretty hard to hear your tone of voice through the computer though... but I see threads like this ALL the TIME, so yeah, I get tired of it. :drinker:

anjani_009

I'm afraid that if I eat a Paleolithic diet I may lose IQ. Those folks weren't real smart.

At least the Mesolithics had enough sense to sharpen their stones for hunting and discovered that flint was easier to sharpen.

:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:

I don't do any diet, just changed my lifestyle. But whatever floats your boat really. Find something that works for you.

Deipneus

I know that going paleo for me cured me of lots of little nagging symptoms including constant joint pain.
If I had achalasia, I'd be the first one to see trying to eat good protein, veggies, nuts, fruit and no processed crap made me feel better. Maybe worth a try for you?

Thanks. I experimented a lot on my way to where I am today and I'm happy with what I eat now and it's great that you are too.

I make it a habit never to try to persuade others to eat as I do. We are all different and whatever makes you happy is what you should do. One size does not fit all.

I was merely poking fun at the name.

MikeFlyMike

I was merely poking fun at the name.

Yup, it is a funny name. I don't convince anyone to eat like I do - too much work. I do know it helps a lot of people and I hadn't heard of your medical issue before so it intrigued me. Glad you are doing well with it.

ldrosophila

Ahahahahahahaha :laugh:

I'm going back to Precambrian diet that's what our real ancestors ate....mmmmm phagocytosis

MikeFlyMike

Ldro.. Google pcos and paleo.

shannashannabobana

Kinda like I ignore vegan threads

LOL. I do the same. It would be rude to run in and tell the vegans that they actually need animal products so I don't do that. Paleo diet is at least a complete diet with lots of nutrients and whole foods. It's funny that people enjoy freaking out about.

Althought the filet mignon era sounds good, I'd go for the ribeye era any day!

wswilliams67

Paleo is not that extreme. All you really have to do is remove grains, legumes and dairy. Most people (more than many realize) have some small allergy to one or more of those classes of food anyway. People think Paleo is extreme and boring because most have forgotten how to cook their own food. They've been hooked on processed frozen meals and shelf meals in a box that they have forgotten about spices and mixing meats and veggies, etc.

Paleo has also helped with my Diabetes.

Neolithic may sound fine, but really it's the same thing most people eat anyway so what's the point? You find what you can stick to and what works for YOUR body.

chunkydunk714

Please stop. If you disagree with the Paleo/Primal (stupid name, I agree) lifestyle then just leave it alone. Kinda like I ignore vegan threads unless they put "ethics" in the title (I actually do have experience being vegan). It's beyond frustrating that so many people jump out of the woodwork to speak against this lifestyle, even start their own threads to slam it, when the majority of them have a false understanding of it and have absolutely NO personal experience with it.

Buzz kill. I thought that the fact that I put this in Chit-Chat, Fun, and Games would have said it all.

Im not one for ganging up on folks and totally against cyber bullying but this lady had a dumb thing or two to say on one of my posts ....THAT being said, im still holding a grudge..

ignore the nun and carry on...

SpecialSundae

My only real gripe with Paleo is that some people treat it like a religion. I'll stick with my WWGE/IIFYM diet.

ldrosophila

Ldro.. Google pcos and paleo.

Quite aware simple weight loss and moderate carbohydrate intake 35-50% has allowed me to become pregnant twice.

I find it personally reprehensible to remove whole grains (very effective in managing insulin spikes, low fat dairy (current research shows some correlation to long term weight loss and dairy consumption, and beans (high amounts of fiber to prevent insulin spikes and lower cholesterol) from my diet.

One more thing to add the most effective tool for PCOS to increase fertility to decrease the hyperinsulinemia, aind risk of diabetes is weight loss.

iWillGetCrowSomeday

I get the idea about eating like a caveman and all that, but why go all the way back to the Paleolithic era? I mean, did someone experiment with the Mesolithic diet and go: "Well, that didn't work,let's try the Paleolithic Era." For goodness sake they used stones for hunting and lived under housing made of tree branches! I'm afraid that if I eat a Paleolithic diet I may lose IQ. Those folks weren't real smart.

At least the Mesolithics had enough sense to sharpen their stones for hunting and discovered that flint was easier to sharpen.

By the Neolithic era, they were domesticating animals and producing grains, fruits and vegetables from seeds. They started making plows out of antlers and developed mortars and pestles to grind cereals and grains.

It just seems more logical to start with Neolithic and work my way backward. Thoughts?

:laugh: I thought the satire here was pretty clear - even without a "sarcasm font" I also found this hilarious from a nerd perspective (I loved anthropology in college).

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For anyone wanting a nerdgasm, check out this article: http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/guest-blog/2012/07/23/human-ancestors-were-nearly-all-vegetarians/ Lots of discussion on what the diet of our ancestors was- there are multiple theories about it. Just some cool info, no agenda.

(FWIW, I don't have anything against a "paleo" diet - however you define it. Eat what works for you and your weight loss journey and keeps you healthy. If that's meat, meat and meat, awesome! If it's packaged food, cool! If it's vegan, kick-butt! Really, doesn't matter.)

jennifershoo

I want to go waaaayyyyy back and eat like a dinosaur!

LiftAllThePizzas

By the Neolithic era, they were domesticating animals and producing grains, fruits and vegetables from seeds. They started making plows out of antlers and developed mortars and pestles to grind cereals and grains.

The pellet with the poison's in the flagon with the dragon.
The vessel with the pestle has the brew that is true.

Akimajuktuq

Please stop. If you disagree with the Paleo/Primal (stupid name, I agree) lifestyle then just leave it alone. Kinda like I ignore vegan threads unless they put "ethics" in the title (I actually do have experience being vegan). It's beyond frustrating that so many people jump out of the woodwork to speak against this lifestyle, even start their own threads to slam it, when the majority of them have a false understanding of it and have absolutely NO personal experience with it.

Buzz kill. I thought that the fact that I put this in Chit-Chat, Fun, and Games would have said it all.

Im not one for ganging up on folks and totally against cyber bullying but this lady had a dumb thing or two to say on one of my posts ....THAT being said, im still holding a grudge..

ignore the nun and carry on...

I dont remember you and I never say anything against anyone on a personal, insulting level. As you just did. Perhaps you should have emailed me if I offended thee. Oh, just because someone disagrees with you or has different experience doesn't warrant name-calling. Too bad you feel the need to stoop to that level...

Purpleflipflops

By the Neolithic era, they were domesticating animals and producing grains, fruits and vegetables from seeds. They started making plows out of antlers and developed mortars and pestles to grind cereals and grains.

The pellet with the poison's in the flagon with the dragon.
The vessel with the pestle has the brew that is true.

To be totally honest, I am not 100% sure what you mean, but I want to eat in whatever era dragons are in.

LiftAllThePizzas

The best is the precambrian diet. No rabbit.

LiftAllThePizzas

By the Neolithic era, they were domesticating animals and producing grains, fruits and vegetables from seeds. They started making plows out of antlers and developed mortars and pestles to grind cereals and grains.

The pellet with the poison's in the flagon with the dragon.
The vessel with the pestle has the brew that is true.

To be totally honest, I am not 100% sure what you mean, but I want to eat in whatever era dragons are in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJ9f2rnjB84
And continues here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zIWcCvQNqQ

Thomasm198

By the Neolithic era, they were domesticating animals and producing grains, fruits and vegetables from seeds. They started making plows out of antlers and developed mortars and pestles to grind cereals and grains.

The pellet with the poison's in the flagon with the dragon.
The vessel with the pestle has the brew that is true.

To be totally honest, I am not 100% sure what you mean, but I want to eat in whatever era dragons are in.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TJ9f2rnjB84
And continues here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zIWcCvQNqQ

I knew it was from a Danny Kaye film, I couldn't remember for definite that it was The Court Jester

lyttmab

My only real gripe with Paleo is that some people treat it like a religion. I'll stick with my WWGE/IIFYM diet.

AGREE! My sister and her family is on Paleo . . . and that is the ONLY healthy way to eat if you listen to her. Granted it has helped some of her health problems, but there are other ways to lose weight. When my nephews come over (her sons), they go through an entire loaf of bread, block of cheese and drink milk all day! LOL

michellemybelll

If there's a diet I want to try, that would be the one practiced by the people in Ikaria.
http://www.nytimes.com/2012/10/28/magazine/the-island-where-people-forget-to-die.html?pagewanted=all&_r=0

that was a cool article.
wine, sleep, sex, home-grown foods. i'm down.

Deipneus

My only real gripe with Paleo is that some people treat it like a religion. I'll stick with my WWGE/IIFYM diet.

I researched a lot of different ways to lose weight and get fit, or as they say on MFP, on my "Journey ®".

I started out investigating veganism but talk about religion. I found a lot of ethical vegans looking down their noses at dietary vegans even if they ate the same things!

But really, it's not about the diet plan, it has to do with human nature. Some of us experiment and when we settle upon something realize it works for us and it goes no further. Others, for reasons I don't fully understand, assume they have found "The Answer" and go out into the world to proselytize and harangue and badger others to stop doing what they regard as inferior and to see the light.

My own eating habits evolved to something I now realize is described as Mediterranean but I arrived there by trial and error. I eat a lot of fruits, nuts, and vegetables, especially legumes and seeds, a lot of fish and little meat. A little olive oil and a little wine is good too. Try it if you want, or not, I don't care. Results may vary. It works for me.

I'll stick with my WWGE/IIFYM diet.

Okay, I'll bite. ;-) What's that?

MikeFlyMike

I eat a lot of fruits, nuts, and vegetables, especially legumes and seeds, a lot of fish and little meat. A little olive oil and a little wine is good too.

Sounds excellent and also pretty paleo to me.