trying to cut out refined sugar eat real food lose weight

jonnybhoy
jonnybhoy Posts: 84 Member
edited November 2024 in Health and Weight Loss
hitting about
1600 cal a day

60 carbs
120 fat
111 protein
16 fibre
23 sugar - all from real food

worried eating too much protein - aiming for following a low-moderate carb diet
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  • earlnabby
    earlnabby Posts: 8,171 Member
    You need more fiber. The recommended minimums are 25 grams for women and 35 grams for men. Also, forget counting sugars. Your carb total is low enough that you will automatically stay low in sugar anyway.
  • lemonsnowdrop
    lemonsnowdrop Posts: 1,298 Member
    Define "real" and "fake" foods.
  • jonnybhoy
    jonnybhoy Posts: 84 Member
    The sugar is coming from skimmed mild with my porridge in the mornings, full fat greek yoghurt usually with strawberries or blueberries - I have taken around 9lbs in the first couple of weeks not noticed much change this week and it's scale day monday :)
  • pedidiva
    pedidiva Posts: 199 Member
    Sounds great Johnnybhoy. Good plan. The liver will make glucose form the foods that you eat. Gluconeogenesis.

    I use ground chia seeds for fiber--low carb. 2 TBSP gound/day
  • jonnybhoy
    jonnybhoy Posts: 84 Member
    Define "real" and "fake" foods.

    I would consider fresh strawberries "real" strawberry jam "fake" Porridge Oats "real" Lucky Charms "fake"
  • bpetrosky
    bpetrosky Posts: 3,911 Member
    There is a recommendation of about .8 g protein / lb of body mass, but that is a very rough guideline. If you're losing weight it helps to have sufficient protein to help preserve muscle mass.

    More fiber would be good as well, not for weight loss necessarily but for better digestive health in general.

    Do you have a specific health reason for cutting out sugar? If you don't, it might be more sustainable in the long term to have a plan that leaves room for some sweet snacks from time to time. Trying to cut out whole classes of food can make a plan harder to maintain.
  • jonnybhoy
    jonnybhoy Posts: 84 Member
    bpetrosky wrote: »
    There is a recommendation of about .8 g protein / lb of body mass, but that is a very rough guideline. If you're losing weight it helps to have sufficient protein to help preserve muscle mass.

    More fiber would be good as well, not for weight loss necessarily but for better digestive health in general.

    Do you have a specific health reason for cutting out sugar? If you don't, it might be more sustainable in the long term to have a plan that leaves room for some sweet snacks from time to time. Trying to cut out whole classes of food can make a plan harder to maintain.

    No particular reason just thinking refined sugars are best avoided, sitting at 17st 2lbs just now at 5ft 9in
  • professionalHobbyist
    professionalHobbyist Posts: 1,316 Member
    Google low carb websites or forums

    Too often a discussion on moderate carb diets turns into a turf war.

  • stevencloser
    stevencloser Posts: 8,911 Member
    jonnybhoy wrote: »
    bpetrosky wrote: »
    There is a recommendation of about .8 g protein / lb of body mass, but that is a very rough guideline. If you're losing weight it helps to have sufficient protein to help preserve muscle mass.

    More fiber would be good as well, not for weight loss necessarily but for better digestive health in general.

    Do you have a specific health reason for cutting out sugar? If you don't, it might be more sustainable in the long term to have a plan that leaves room for some sweet snacks from time to time. Trying to cut out whole classes of food can make a plan harder to maintain.

    No particular reason just thinking refined sugars are best avoided, sitting at 17st 2lbs just now at 5ft 9in
    Why do you think that?
  • jonnybhoy
    jonnybhoy Posts: 84 Member
    Google low carb websites or forums

    Too often a discussion on moderate carb diets turns into a turf war.

    I have been and as usual opinion is divided and many trying to sell you their truth ;)
  • jonnybhoy
    jonnybhoy Posts: 84 Member
    jonnybhoy wrote: »
    bpetrosky wrote: »
    There is a recommendation of about .8 g protein / lb of body mass, but that is a very rough guideline. If you're losing weight it helps to have sufficient protein to help preserve muscle mass.

    More fiber would be good as well, not for weight loss necessarily but for better digestive health in general.

    Do you have a specific health reason for cutting out sugar? If you don't, it might be more sustainable in the long term to have a plan that leaves room for some sweet snacks from time to time. Trying to cut out whole classes of food can make a plan harder to maintain.

    No particular reason just thinking refined sugars are best avoided, sitting at 17st 2lbs just now at 5ft 9in
    Why do you think that?

    I no longer exercise as much as I used to due to injury and don't really get the chance to burn off the glucose
  • Bshmerlie
    Bshmerlie Posts: 1,026 Member
    Jonny do yourself favor and avoid using words like "real" vs "fake", Good vs bad, clean vs processed. Those words don't go over so well on this forum. Your whole post will get sidetracked trying to defend what you mean by them.
  • bpetrosky
    bpetrosky Posts: 3,911 Member
    jonnybhoy wrote: »
    Google low carb websites or forums

    Too often a discussion on moderate carb diets turns into a turf war.

    I have been and as usual opinion is divided and many trying to sell you their truth ;)

    That's fair enough. With all of the misinformation on the internet, you'll have to try to suss out what is good advice and what is agenda driven propaganda.

    Only you can decide what is an appropriate diet for your circumstances, but barring any medical necessity, you will probably find a moderation approach to be most sustainable in the long term.

    You also might want to ask some more specific questions...your original post is very vague so this discussion is bound to go in a lot of different directions without giving you anything more than general suggestions.
  • jonnybhoy
    jonnybhoy Posts: 84 Member
    bpetrosky wrote: »
    jonnybhoy wrote: »
    Google low carb websites or forums

    Too often a discussion on moderate carb diets turns into a turf war.

    I have been and as usual opinion is divided and many trying to sell you their truth ;)

    That's fair enough. With all of the misinformation on the internet, you'll have to try to suss out what is good advice and what is agenda driven propaganda.

    Only you can decide what is an appropriate diet for your circumstances, but barring any medical necessity, you will probably find a moderation approach to be most sustainable in the long term.

    You also might want to ask some more specific questions...your original post is very vague so this discussion is bound to go in a lot of different directions without giving you anything more than general suggestions.

    Well I know my carb intake is what some would call moderate - I had been reading that if my protein was too high my body would get it's glucose from the protein as opposed to fat - gluconeogenesis - again I don't know how solid the science is behind that and as I am using this site for a diary and it has a community forum I sought to canvas opinion/personal experience
  • jkal1979
    jkal1979 Posts: 1,896 Member
    jonnybhoy wrote: »
    The sugar is coming from skimmed mild with my porridge in the mornings, full fat greek yoghurt usually with strawberries or blueberries - I have taken around 9lbs in the first couple of weeks not noticed much change this week and it's scale day monday :)

    It might be a good idea to adjust your expectations. Big losses the first few weeks are normal due to you losing water weight. It's natural for it to slow down after that.
  • jonnybhoy
    jonnybhoy Posts: 84 Member
    jkal1979 wrote: »
    jonnybhoy wrote: »
    The sugar is coming from skimmed mild with my porridge in the mornings, full fat greek yoghurt usually with strawberries or blueberries - I have taken around 9lbs in the first couple of weeks not noticed much change this week and it's scale day monday :)

    It might be a good idea to adjust your expectations. Big losses the first few weeks are normal due to you losing water weight. It's natural for it to slow down after that.

    Yeah I am aware of that just wanted to canvass opinion on protein intake
  • bpetrosky
    bpetrosky Posts: 3,911 Member
    jonnybhoy wrote: »
    jkal1979 wrote: »
    jonnybhoy wrote: »
    The sugar is coming from skimmed mild with my porridge in the mornings, full fat greek yoghurt usually with strawberries or blueberries - I have taken around 9lbs in the first couple of weeks not noticed much change this week and it's scale day monday :)

    It might be a good idea to adjust your expectations. Big losses the first few weeks are normal due to you losing water weight. It's natural for it to slow down after that.

    Yeah I am aware of that just wanted to canvass opinion on protein intake

    0.8g / lb body weight is a rule of thumb. You may feel it's too high for you personally and adjust accordingly.
  • jrosto
    jrosto Posts: 95 Member
    jonnybhoy wrote: »
    hitting about
    1600 cal a day

    60 carbs
    120 fat
    111 protein
    16 fibre
    23 sugar - all from real food

    worried eating too much protein - aiming for following a low-moderate carb diet

    Your macros %'s are pretty close to what I have been hitting for over a year now. I just ingest more cals as I am at a healthy weight.

    I get all of my sugars thru my food, and not sweeteners (refined, artificial, or otherwise). Now roasted beets are a wonderfully sweet treat :)


  • jonnybhoy
    jonnybhoy Posts: 84 Member
    jrosto wrote: »
    jonnybhoy wrote: »
    hitting about
    1600 cal a day

    60 carbs
    120 fat
    111 protein
    16 fibre
    23 sugar - all from real food

    worried eating too much protein - aiming for following a low-moderate carb diet

    Your macros %'s are pretty close to what I have been hitting for over a year now. I just ingest more cals as I am at a healthy weight.

    I get all of my sugars thru my food, and not sweeteners (refined, artificial, or otherwise). Now roasted beets are a wonderfully sweet treat :)


    Thanks for the input good to know that it has worked for you
  • SezxyStef
    SezxyStef Posts: 15,267 Member
    edited June 2015
    I am a woman 42 and close to your height...I eat 113 grams of protein a day minimum...but I also eat more calories than you do so that's to be expected...

    I wouldn't worry about your protein really leave it as is if you are fine there...just remember tho protein does help keep you feeling fuller longer...along with fat.

    And real vs fake...yah my strawberry jam is not fake thanks...I take strawberries that I picked, rhubarb from my garden add in some sugar and pectin bam jam...nothing fake there.

    ETA: less sugar than the recipe calls for because I use starwberry rhubarb and my husband like tartness in his jam.
  • Sarasmaintaining
    Sarasmaintaining Posts: 1,027 Member
    nevermind, not worth it.
  • DeguelloTex
    DeguelloTex Posts: 6,652 Member
    SezxyStef wrote: »
    I am a woman 42 and close to your height...I eat 113 grams of protein a day minimum...but I also eat more calories than you do so that's to be expected...

    I wouldn't worry about your protein really leave it as is if you are fine there...just remember tho protein does help keep you feeling fuller longer...along with fat.

    And real vs fake...yah my strawberry jam is not fake thanks...I take strawberries that I picked, rhubarb from my garden add in some sugar and pectin bam jam...nothing fake there.

    ETA: less sugar than the recipe calls for because I use starwberry rhubarb and my husband like tartness in his jam.
    The peaches and habaneros that went into my jam sure seemed real. I wonder at what point in the process they turned fake.
  • FatFreeFrolicking
    FatFreeFrolicking Posts: 4,252 Member
    edited June 2015
    jonnybhoy wrote: »
    bpetrosky wrote: »
    jonnybhoy wrote: »
    Google low carb websites or forums

    Too often a discussion on moderate carb diets turns into a turf war.

    I have been and as usual opinion is divided and many trying to sell you their truth ;)

    That's fair enough. With all of the misinformation on the internet, you'll have to try to suss out what is good advice and what is agenda driven propaganda.

    Only you can decide what is an appropriate diet for your circumstances, but barring any medical necessity, you will probably find a moderation approach to be most sustainable in the long term.

    You also might want to ask some more specific questions...your original post is very vague so this discussion is bound to go in a lot of different directions without giving you anything more than general suggestions.

    Well I know my carb intake is what some would call moderate - I had been reading that if my protein was too high my body would get it's glucose from the protein as opposed to fat - gluconeogenesis - again I don't know how solid the science is behind that and as I am using this site for a diary and it has a community forum I sought to canvas opinion/personal experience

    60 grams of carbs is NOT moderate. It is LOW.

    And your body's second source of energy is from fat; not protein.
  • lemonsnowdrop
    lemonsnowdrop Posts: 1,298 Member
    Even when you buy jam from the grocery store, what in the world makes them fake?
  • Bshmerlie
    Bshmerlie Posts: 1,026 Member
    Ok....he used the word fake....let's just get past that already.
  • SLLRunner
    SLLRunner Posts: 12,942 Member
    edited June 2015
    jonnybhoy wrote: »
    Define "real" and "fake" foods.

    I would consider fresh strawberries "real" strawberry jam "fake" Porridge Oats "real" Lucky Charms "fake"

    Food is food. There is no real and fake food.
  • yarwell
    yarwell Posts: 10,477 Member
    Even when you buy jam from the grocery store, what in the world makes them fake?

    the ones with next to no fruit in might qualify ?
  • SLLRunner
    SLLRunner Posts: 12,942 Member
    Bshmerlie wrote: »
    Jonny do yourself favor and avoid using words like "real" vs "fake", Good vs bad, clean vs processed. Those words don't go over so well on this forum. Your whole post will get sidetracked trying to defend what you mean by them.

    That is because the definitions to those words are all in the perception. :)
  • SLLRunner
    SLLRunner Posts: 12,942 Member
    SezxyStef wrote: »
    I am a woman 42 and close to your height...I eat 113 grams of protein a day minimum...but I also eat more calories than you do so that's to be expected...

    I wouldn't worry about your protein really leave it as is if you are fine there...just remember tho protein does help keep you feeling fuller longer...along with fat.

    And real vs fake...yah my strawberry jam is not fake thanks...I take strawberries that I picked, rhubarb from my garden add in some sugar and pectin bam jam...nothing fake there.

    ETA: less sugar than the recipe calls for because I use starwberry rhubarb and my husband like tartness in his jam.
    The peaches and habaneros that went into my jam sure seemed real. I wonder at what point in the process they turned fake.

    I'm jealous of those who have the space to grow their own food because I love fresh fruits and veggies.
  • yarwell
    yarwell Posts: 10,477 Member
    jonnybhoy wrote: »
    sitting at 17st 2lbs just now at 5ft 9in

    UK Protein Reference Nutrient Intake (RNI) is set at 0.75g of protein per kilogram bodyweight per day for adults.

    Your 111g looks ok, 1.5 to 2 grams per kg of ideal body weight is another benchmark for low carb dieting.
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