What is the best pre workout on the market?
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What is the purpose of a pre-workout formula?
Increased energy, focus, or pump.I was asking what do people use for flavouring when they mix their own pre workouts from bulk ingredients. Beta alanine, creatine, l citraline, and so on
You could use any of these:
Carnosyn Beta Alanine: 3-4 g/day
Micronized Creatine Monohydrate: 3-5 g/day
Caffeine: 200mg or preference preworkout
Betaine Anhydrous: 2.5-4 g/preworkout
Agmatine Sulfate: 1 g/preworkout
Citrulline Malate: 6-8 g/preworkout
Crystal Light, Mio, or Gatorade mixed with ice water to taste.
Obviously, you wouldn't take a preworkout every single day of the year. So on the days that you don't take it, continue with the beta alanine and creatine for optimal system saturation. You can even afford to skip a day with those, as they will already be saturated in your system if taking 3-5 days a week out of 7 days.0 -
I'll pass on the Walmart brands. You honestly get what you pay for, and Walmart, target, gnc were caught with brands that contained 0% of the ingredients listed on their labels. I already have GATs Nitraflex which is a preferred one of mine. I was asking what do people use for flavouring when they mix their own pre workouts from bulk ingredients. Beta alanine, creatine, l citraline, and so on
To clarify, I wasn't talking about pre-workout. You asked what I mixed the individual ingredients with. This is what I'm referring to:
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Another +1 for caffeine...recently I've been enjoying the Crystal Light single packets with caffeine, grape and wild strawberry. While they aren't "natural" like coffee, it's another option to change it up.0
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I stick with coffee and banana, perfect combination for me.0
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I like C4 (though I find that better for cardio than for lifting), Bullnox (I like this better for lifting), or Pre Jym (It's decent on both fronts).0
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You could use any of these:
Carnosyn Beta Alanine: 3-4 g/day
Micronized Creatine Monohydrate: 3-5 g/day
Caffeine: 200mg or preference preworkout
Betaine Anhydrous: 2.5-4 g/preworkout
Agmatine Sulfate: 1 g/preworkout
Citrulline Malate: 6-8 g/preworkout
That's my stack, minus the Betaine Anhydrous and Agmatine Sulfate. What to they accomplish?
That looks like an awful lot of Citrulline Malate; I usually take around 2g pre-workout. I used to stack it with L-Arginine, but found that it lowered my blood pressure to the point I would get shortness of breath.0 -
You could use any of these:
Carnosyn Beta Alanine: 3-4 g/day
Micronized Creatine Monohydrate: 3-5 g/day
Caffeine: 200mg or preference preworkout
Betaine Anhydrous: 2.5-4 g/preworkout
Agmatine Sulfate: 1 g/preworkout
Citrulline Malate: 6-8 g/preworkout
That's my stack, minus the Betaine Anhydrous and Agmatine Sulfate. What to they accomplish?
That looks like an awful lot of Citrulline Malate; I usually take around 2g pre-workout. I used to stack it with L-Arginine, but found that it lowered my blood pressure to the point I would get shortness of breath.
L-Arginine has been proven to do jack. What you want to look into is the pre-cursor, Agmatine, which has a number of positive effects: http://examine.com/supplements/Agmatine/
You're thinking of the L-Citrulline dosage. 3g L-Citrulline = 6g Citrulline Malate.
On Betaine...
Cholewa et al., 2013
In summary, the major findings of the present study are that 6 weeks of betaine
supplementation improved body composition, muscle size, work capacity, attenuated a rise in
HCTL, tended to improve power, but not strength in resistance trained men.
Cholewa et al., 2013
...betaine improved work capacity for 10 sets of repetitions to
fatigue at 50% 1 RM [4]. Given improved work capacity with higher volume resistance
training prescriptions, and the lack of improvement during micro-cycle 2 which imposed less
of a metabolic demand (4 sets of 4–6 repetitions with 3 min rest), it is likely that betaine
poses the most ergogenic potential in resistance training exercise protocols that impose higher
metabolic demands.
Cholewa et al., 2013
Based on the small differences in HCTL changes, betaine supplementation may have
impacted body composition via other mechanisms. Betaine has been shown to elevate plasma
GH and IGF-1, and increase Akt phosphorylation in human skeletal muscle [38]. In mice
betaine improves insulin sensitivity by restoring activation of IRS1 and the subsequent phosphorylation of PI3K/Akt by 50-100% in a concentration-dependent manner [39]. Thus, it is possible that by elevating anabolic hormones and enhancing downstream cellular signaling,
betaine may have improved muscle protein synthesis, thus leading to an increase in lean
mass. Finally, because betaine is a powerful osomylte, the increases in lean mass may have
been due to cellular swelling without an appreciable increase in myofibril protein accretion.
This study utilized 2.5g of Betaine split into two doses of 1.25g.
Abstract: http://www.jissn.com/content/10/1/39/abstract
Full text: http://www.jissn.com/content/pdf/1550-2783-10-39.pdf
Supplements that utilize Betaine (TMG) and dosage:
Genomyx Origin - 3g (per serving)
Controlled Labs Green Magnitude - 2g (per serving)
Omega Sports Ultima - 1.125g (per serving)
LiveLong Nutrition Betaine powder - 100g
Pre-Jym - 1.5g (per serving)
NOW TMG tablets 100 tablets - (1g per tab)
Cellucor COR-Performance Creatine - 1.25g (per serving)
Cellucor M5 - 1g (per serving)
Muscle Tech MyoBuild - 1.25g (per serving)
Muscle Tech AminoBuild - 1.25g (per serving)
ANS Ritual - 1.25g (per serving)0 -
Ah, OK, that makes sense. Thanks
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You could use any of these:
Carnosyn Beta Alanine: 3-4 g/day
Micronized Creatine Monohydrate: 3-5 g/day
Caffeine: 200mg or preference preworkout
Betaine Anhydrous: 2.5-4 g/preworkout
Agmatine Sulfate: 1 g/preworkout
Citrulline Malate: 6-8 g/preworkout
That's my stack, minus the Betaine Anhydrous and Agmatine Sulfate. What to they accomplish?
That looks like an awful lot of Citrulline Malate; I usually take around 2g pre-workout. I used to stack it with L-Arginine, but found that it lowered my blood pressure to the point I would get shortness of breath.
L-Arginine has been proven to do jack. What you want to look into is the pre-cursor, Agmatine, which has a number of positive effects: http://examine.com/supplements/Agmatine/
You're thinking of the L-Citrulline dosage. 3g L-Citrulline = 6g Citrulline Malate.
On Betaine...
Cholewa et al., 2013
In summary, the major findings of the present study are that 6 weeks of betaine
supplementation improved body composition, muscle size, work capacity, attenuated a rise in
HCTL, tended to improve power, but not strength in resistance trained men.
Cholewa et al., 2013
...betaine improved work capacity for 10 sets of repetitions to
fatigue at 50% 1 RM [4]. Given improved work capacity with higher volume resistance
training prescriptions, and the lack of improvement during micro-cycle 2 which imposed less
of a metabolic demand (4 sets of 4–6 repetitions with 3 min rest), it is likely that betaine
poses the most ergogenic potential in resistance training exercise protocols that impose higher
metabolic demands.
Cholewa et al., 2013
Based on the small differences in HCTL changes, betaine supplementation may have
impacted body composition via other mechanisms. Betaine has been shown to elevate plasma
GH and IGF-1, and increase Akt phosphorylation in human skeletal muscle [38]. In mice
betaine improves insulin sensitivity by restoring activation of IRS1 and the subsequent phosphorylation of PI3K/Akt by 50-100% in a concentration-dependent manner [39]. Thus, it is possible that by elevating anabolic hormones and enhancing downstream cellular signaling,
betaine may have improved muscle protein synthesis, thus leading to an increase in lean
mass. Finally, because betaine is a powerful osomylte, the increases in lean mass may have
been due to cellular swelling without an appreciable increase in myofibril protein accretion.
This study utilized 2.5g of Betaine split into two doses of 1.25g.
Abstract: http://www.jissn.com/content/10/1/39/abstract
Full text: http://www.jissn.com/content/pdf/1550-2783-10-39.pdf
Supplements that utilize Betaine (TMG) and dosage:
Genomyx Origin - 3g (per serving)
Controlled Labs Green Magnitude - 2g (per serving)
Omega Sports Ultima - 1.125g (per serving)
LiveLong Nutrition Betaine powder - 100g
Pre-Jym - 1.5g (per serving)
NOW TMG tablets 100 tablets - (1g per tab)
Cellucor COR-Performance Creatine - 1.25g (per serving)
Cellucor M5 - 1g (per serving)
Muscle Tech MyoBuild - 1.25g (per serving)
Muscle Tech AminoBuild - 1.25g (per serving)
ANS Ritual - 1.25g (per serving)
Can I just buy some from you? This sounds really complicated!
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"SeptemberLondon wrote: »Can I just buy some from you? This sounds really complicated!
Haha. Just check out examine.com and it will basically tell you what each one of those ingredients does. You don't have to make sure that all 6 exist in a pre-workout. Pick and choose what suits your routine, tolerance, and preference.0 -
Prejym has been the best I've had. They are upfront on what goes in it and I find it to be a great product. The one downside is that it is more pricey than most but im happy to pay the extra price.0
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Toadfitness wrote: »What is the best pre workout on the market!!!! I'm a fan of the "tingle" or the "itch". when I first got into bodybuilding I started off on the old formula of Nutrex Hemo rage and Cellucor M5 back in 2009. Today I find that the only thing that compares to the back in the day stuff is Cellucor C4 or Kardio Fire by Panthera. So I'm looking for suggestions other than buying some crap and being real disappointed.
If you like the "tingle", the Muscletech Shatter pre-workout has a good one. Much more than the C4 in my opinion. I want to switch back when I'm done with this C4 I bought today.0 -
I was wondering what would be a good a flavour additive, to make it so you can stomach that God awful tasting mix. Something low sugar hopefully. I know supplements and have my preferred doses.0
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I'll pass on the Walmart brands. You honestly get what you pay for, and Walmart, target, gnc were caught with brands that contained 0% of the ingredients listed on their labels. I already have GATs Nitraflex which is a preferred one of mine. I was asking what do people use for flavouring when they mix their own pre workouts from bulk ingredients. Beta alanine, creatine, l citraline, and so on
To clarify, I wasn't talking about pre-workout. You asked what I mixed the individual ingredients with. This is what I'm referring to:
Ahh okay I see what you meant.
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