For some, has avoiding fat been more effective than avoiding carbs for weight loss?
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lemurcat12 wrote: »
Since I never studied physics, I will skip pretending to be an expert in the field. I did, however, study chemistry (much of which I don't remember, especially Organic Chem) and Anatomy, so I can at least pretend to be an expert, even though I'm not.BILLBRYTAN wrote: »
GARBAGE IN/GARBAGE OUT is also a law of physics. YOU ARE WHAT YOU EATstevencloser wrote: »azulvioleta6 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »azulvioleta6 wrote: »lemonsnowdrop wrote: »You guys bashing sugar and fat can take a look at my diary entry from yesterday. I did Stronglifts 5x5 and a small amount of cycling (only about 150 calories), and even with all of what many consider "junk food" in my day, I won't gain an ounce (of fat; water is another story, but meh). Know why? Because I burned more than I consumed. That's how it works.
Let me guess...you don't have PCOS.
PCOS doesn't break the laws of physics.
It's more like chemistry, actually.
Chemistry obeys the laws of physics too. Everything does. Energy can't be created or destroyed, every action requires energy. Nothing on this planet can change that.
It's always garbage out, regardless of what goes in.
This is an excellent point.
lemur! Hey!
I had some naan! I took a nice, long diet break and indulged in many yummy breads, including ciabatta (without brushing it with oil - I didn't go wild and crazy) and there in a cookbook was the recipe for naan. I thought of you when I saw it and was like, "I'm making this!" and I did. I'm not sure if it came out right because it was my virgin attempt, but it was GOOD!!
One more thing to avoid, lol.
And all my points are excellent. Duh.
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Okay, I just read the posts after lemur's and people discussed bread and oil. I DIDNT SEE THOSE before I posted about eating breads! The oil thing was just about my break and not about anyone here. I really hadn't seen it yet! That was not an attack or passive-aggressive insult on or to anyone!!
It was an unfortunate coincidence. I have discussed breads with lemur and specifically naan more than once. Just updating her, not an insult. I highly apologize if anyone saw it and thought it was more than it was!!! (Really was not. I think you get it now. I'll shut up.)0 -
Rabbitjb -- perhaps I wasn't clear enough. I had surgery at age 6 months (in 1956, not 6 months ago). There is some research that suggests that antibiotics given to infants permanently changes gut flora.... Why did I go from a normal size baby to an extremely chubby one immediately post-surgery? That's a question I obviously cannot answer, but it makes me wonder....especially as none of my siblings nor my parents had a weight problem.
my daughter should be the size of a house then. she was put on antibiotics within an hour of birth, had numerous courses her first year in hospital, lives on them every winter and several short courses every summer.
instead shes underweight. guess shes just burning more than shes eating
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BILLBRYTAN wrote: »
Yes, raw syrup from the cane would have some nutrition. You mean you didn't know that?lynn_glenmont wrote: »BILLBRYTAN wrote: »It is not a simple matter of just cutting fat and carbs; manufactured fats like canola, corn, safflower and soybean oil should be eliminated entirely because they serve no nutritional purpose. Most fats, like bacon and eggs, butter, coconut oil and other saturated fats should be increased because saturated fats and cholesterol are healthy. Same thing with refined white sugar, white flour, white rice etc. If it is manufactured you should not ever eat it. If the sugar is in whole raw fruits or vegetables you can eat lots. Nutrition is far too complex to be based merely upon macro-nutrients: CARBS, FAT, PROTEIN.
So canola, corn, safflower and soybean oil are "manufactured" but bacon, butter, and coconut oil aren't? Because the bacon comes off the pig already smoked, the butterfat comes out of the cow already separated from the buttermilk, and you crack open a coconut and the oil runs out?
I wonder if sugar direct from the cane is ok.
What is different nutritionally? And syrup is not direct from the cane...juice is.
[weak snark btw...I am sure you can do better]0 -
BILLBRYTAN wrote: »
GARBAGE IN/GARBAGE OUT is also a law of physics. YOU ARE WHAT YOU EATstevencloser wrote: »azulvioleta6 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »azulvioleta6 wrote: »lemonsnowdrop wrote: »You guys bashing sugar and fat can take a look at my diary entry from yesterday. I did Stronglifts 5x5 and a small amount of cycling (only about 150 calories), and even with all of what many consider "junk food" in my day, I won't gain an ounce (of fat; water is another story, but meh). Know why? Because I burned more than I consumed. That's how it works.
Let me guess...you don't have PCOS.
PCOS doesn't break the laws of physics.
It's more like chemistry, actually.
Chemistry obeys the laws of physics too. Everything does. Energy can't be created or destroyed, every action requires energy. Nothing on this planet can change that.
These are such ridiculous phrases in the context of this thread.0 -
BILLBRYTAN wrote: »
GARBAGE IN/GARBAGE OUT is also a law of physics. YOU ARE WHAT YOU EATstevencloser wrote: »azulvioleta6 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »azulvioleta6 wrote: »lemonsnowdrop wrote: »You guys bashing sugar and fat can take a look at my diary entry from yesterday. I did Stronglifts 5x5 and a small amount of cycling (only about 150 calories), and even with all of what many consider "junk food" in my day, I won't gain an ounce (of fat; water is another story, but meh). Know why? Because I burned more than I consumed. That's how it works.
Let me guess...you don't have PCOS.
PCOS doesn't break the laws of physics.
It's more like chemistry, actually.
Chemistry obeys the laws of physics too. Everything does. Energy can't be created or destroyed, every action requires energy. Nothing on this planet can change that.
Happy foods might improve your attitude0 -
mantium999 wrote: »BILLBRYTAN wrote: »
GARBAGE IN/GARBAGE OUT is also a law of physics. YOU ARE WHAT YOU EATstevencloser wrote: »azulvioleta6 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »azulvioleta6 wrote: »lemonsnowdrop wrote: »You guys bashing sugar and fat can take a look at my diary entry from yesterday. I did Stronglifts 5x5 and a small amount of cycling (only about 150 calories), and even with all of what many consider "junk food" in my day, I won't gain an ounce (of fat; water is another story, but meh). Know why? Because I burned more than I consumed. That's how it works.
Let me guess...you don't have PCOS.
PCOS doesn't break the laws of physics.
It's more like chemistry, actually.
Chemistry obeys the laws of physics too. Everything does. Energy can't be created or destroyed, every action requires energy. Nothing on this planet can change that.
Happy foods might improve your attitude
But happy foods would be carbs since the increase serotonin. Those are a no go.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »azulvioleta6 wrote: »lemonsnowdrop wrote: »You guys bashing sugar and fat can take a look at my diary entry from yesterday. I did Stronglifts 5x5 and a small amount of cycling (only about 150 calories), and even with all of what many consider "junk food" in my day, I won't gain an ounce (of fat; water is another story, but meh). Know why? Because I burned more than I consumed. That's how it works.
Let me guess...you don't have PCOS.
PCOS doesn't break the laws of physics.
That's my thinking too--that with medical issues, such as PCOS, it takes a bit more work to find your deficit to lose weight because of the insulin resistance that is usually involved.0 -
BILLBRYTAN wrote: »
GARBAGE IN/GARBAGE OUT is also a law of physics. YOU ARE WHAT YOU EATstevencloser wrote: »azulvioleta6 wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »azulvioleta6 wrote: »lemonsnowdrop wrote: »You guys bashing sugar and fat can take a look at my diary entry from yesterday. I did Stronglifts 5x5 and a small amount of cycling (only about 150 calories), and even with all of what many consider "junk food" in my day, I won't gain an ounce (of fat; water is another story, but meh). Know why? Because I burned more than I consumed. That's how it works.
Let me guess...you don't have PCOS.
PCOS doesn't break the laws of physics.
It's more like chemistry, actually.
Chemistry obeys the laws of physics too. Everything does. Energy can't be created or destroyed, every action requires energy. Nothing on this planet can change that.
Oh for goodness sakes.........
That's silly, and it sounds like you need to start another conversation on this very topic (without the shouting).
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I lost weight more quickly and consistently by limiting carbs than by limiting fat, I have lost the most weight by CICO. I am careful to keep my carbs under my daily allowance and my protein at about 90 grams as long as I am within my calories, I do not track fat daily.0
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Was going by calorie deficit for about 2 months until i hit a plateau a month ago. Started at 210, dropped to 190 and hovered there for three weeks
I started to moderate my carbs between 150-200g/day. Started to see losses again, but results slower. I also noted that my waist and hip measurements remained the same...
Thats when i started to really pay attention to the macros. I decided to go the hflc with just enough protein to maintain muscle aka keto. This was around 2 weeks ago, went from 187 to 180 today.
Seems to be working and i like my food options, people always ask about the deprivation feeling of certain foods. My response is this, i eat bacon and eggs cooked with butter in the morning. Munch on all kinds of different cheese and pepperoni as snacks. And my dinner? Steaks cooked in butter, thyme and garlic. Seafood? Salmon fillet with lemon and dill topped with garlic butter. Lets not forget about the chicken! Rotate between jerk, tandoori, lemon herb and masala. I have no problem going to popeyes and eating a 2 piece meal (minus the fries).
So yeah.. everyone is different, low carb and high fats work for me right now. I hope to drop another 10 lbs to hit 170 by july long weekend... gonna stick with it and if or when my body adapts.. well.. just taking it day by day. G'luck!0 -
"my daughter should be the size of a house then. she was put on antibiotics within an hour of birth, had numerous courses her first year in hospital, lives on them every winter and several short courses every summer."
I'd say she was one lucky little girl and I'm glad for her sake that she wasn't affected by them.
"instead shes underweight. guess shes just burning more than shes eating'
So, are you happy with yourself that you got off that zinger?
http://pediatrics.aappublications.org/content/early/2015/03/25/peds.2014-3407
http://www.nature.com/ijo/journal/v37/n1/full/ijo2012132a.html0 -
What studies? Please link
Nobody here ever said they eat all the sugar and carbs they want
All I ever see is people saying they hit their macro and micro nutrient targets (the macros being protein and fats) and then can eat whatever they want to their calorie limit
I'm no fitness fanatic but I can accommodate any food within my diet if I am careful with my calories .. anybody could [/quote]
Here are a few studies.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/18700873/?i=5&from=/16476868/related
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/m/pubmed/15148063/?i=3&from=/16476868/related
You should find more links there also if interested.
Whatever works for someone is obviously ok. But many people fail to stick to a healthy eating way of life and very often it is due to hunger. Therefore, as these studies mentioned, more people in the low carb/high fat groups were actually able to stick with it and complete the study.
I have seen studies before, I didn't look for those links that basically showed that someone is equally likely to lose weight with either way of eating. It just happens that a good majority of people have a much easier time sticking to low carb/high fat. It breaks the addiction to sugar and carbs, reduces the need for insulin (which causes feelings of hunger) and everyone I know that eats this way has experienced many other benefits aside from weight loss and controlled hunger.
Eating at a deficit causes weight loss.
There are different ways to get it done. If someone is struggling, maybe there is a better way for them.0
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