Dancers n pointe

finalixgarnet

hey guys!
I'm Looking to start an accountability group . We can share goals, struggles and successes.
I thought we could even do some clean eating challenges!

twnkltoz16

I'm in! Lord knows I could definitely use some help! And actually, it's funny that you mentioned this today bc I was going to ask you for accountability anyway.:)

twnkltoz16

I'll be honest - I did to much snacking (on non-nutritioudtoday!! But I think I got some nutrition at breakfast and dinner at least...

finalixgarnet

Yeah yesterday I had some chips and salsa with some white chocolate chips for dinner oops !! I was still with in my calories but I'm not sure if I really got all the nutrients I should have .... Welp today's a new day!

finalixgarnet

twnkltoz16 wrote: »

I'm in! Lord knows I could definitely use some help! And actually, it's funny that you mentioned this today bc I was going to ask you for accountability anyway.:)

It's funny how we always are on the same timing lol

finalixgarnet

I was thinking we could do a clean eating or raw challenge soon /-- would you be down and who ever else joins lol

twnkltoz16

It's funny how we always are on the same timing lol

I know, right?:)

twnkltoz16

Abiut the challenges - I would love that! We really need to get Amy, Steph, Heather and Maria Elana on here!:) Most of them would probably do this with us!

finalixgarnet

Awesome!!! Invite them for sure !

finalixgarnet

http://www.laurenkern.com/?portfolio=what-vegetarians-need-to-know-to-decrease-body-fat-and-increase-lean-muscle-2
Great advice in here even for non vegetarians

finalixgarnet

Ok so suggestion starting next Monday for 1 week lets do a clean eating challenge :: no processed foods/ sugars / think salads fruits and lean proteins !

finalixgarnet

Had a great day today I burned almost 1500 cals!! And did pritty well w my eating --- I'm trying to eat more protein less carbs/ sugars

elphie754

Carbs and sugars are not the enemy. May I ask what your calorie goal is?

finalixgarnet

Daily, it depends on how much a burn that day but between 1300 and 1600.

elphie754

If you are burning 1500 calories a day in one workout (which sounds awfully high) you should be eating much more than that.

twnkltoz16

I will do my best with clean eating challenge . Actually, today I did really well... until my husband went out for a dinner date. I tried to make wise choices, and overall I did, but you know it all adds up. I went way over. On the bright side, I got lots more nutrition today and ate pretty clean, even at the restaurant!

twnkltoz16

Again, I did really well until about 2pm. It always seems to start around that time of day, but only when I am at work. And then it got worse when I was running behind on errands this evening. Thankfully, I did not exceed my calorie goal nearly as much as yesterday, but I cannot say I ate clean all day either! Any tips for eating well on the days you are super busy (which is all of them for me, so that also means I rarely have time to plan ahead).

azulvioleta6

elphie754 wrote: »

If you are burning 1500 calories a day in one workout (which sounds awfully high) you should be eating much more than that.

It depends on your metabolism. I often do that--and need to do so in order to maintain, much less lose.

I'm also a dancer, but not of the en pointe variety. I'm pretty much always on target in terms of eating fairly clean/unprocessed...with the exception of chocolate. This time of year, much of what I eat is coming out of my own garden.

MamaBirdBoss

If she's a professional or semi-professional ballet dancer, she will almost certainly be striving to be underweight because that's what dance companies demand these days. I was a "fat dancer" for my level at 5'6" and 118lbs. I was seriously, no kidding, HUGE compared to the other women. My calves were as big as their thighs. And it was a dance style that had bigger women than ballet. When I worked briefly with a ballet company, I re-confirmed my decision to never go serious professional. The disordered eating, the smoking, the obsession with food (and not eating it), and the rivalries and jealousies were bonkers. I looked at them and went, "Yeah, I'd rather ACTUALLY be fat than be crazy, thanks."

Good luck on your goals! It's a very, very tough world you're in, especially to stay sane, and I couldn't imagine putting my body through that! But I got fat when I pretty much stopped dance while on bed rest. :P

finalixgarnet

Yes it is super tough in the dance world especially the ballet world, I am trying to get into professional companies and while that's my goal I'm not willing to be sick by any means. That being said, I am short and have the matabolism of a turtle and the stamina and drive of a horse so full days of burning calories is good for me. I'm a vegiatarian and have a difficult time losing weight, I might even have a thiorid issue ... Need to check.
Thank for the support ///
I'd really like to loose about 20lbs which is still technically within my BMI, not underweight, I'm small boned, I wear I size 6 shoe and in 5'2.
But more importantly than what's on the scale - I want to get my body fat % down, I think I'm high right now in the 28% and I'd like it much lower.
Professional dancers just as any athlete use the body as a tool, my goal is to sharpen my tool as well as its my canvas for my art. If your not in super high shape no one will take you so it's worth the work and effort as well as the diet and exercise. Of course health is also s top priority that's why I want s support group to help each other not slip twords the road of anorexia --- I believe it's possible to eat right, and be thin it's all about the proper nutrients.

finalixgarnet

Joy!! I have to confess I did bad last night I had too much carbs/cals with pizza ugh and being allergic to gluten and milk my tummy is not happy!!!!
--- I'm in the same boat I do great during the day but then at night I don't have time to get clean healthy foods as easily.
My plan is for at least next week eat mostly salads or steamed vegitables and egg for my protien - pritty boaring, but I'm still looking for other good scoures of protien. Cutting out all processed things for a week and detoxing drinking lemon water and I'm going to get a detox tea to drink at night. Idea!!! Would it help if we had a time a night that we could not eat past like 9:30 ?

MelWick524

I'm a tapper and a jazzer ... but also was a ballet dancer from age 5-21. While being "chubby" is like weighing 450lbs in the dance world, and it did lead me into my psycho-spirals with e.d., dance is still my #1 love. I don't "eat clean" or "detox" anymore though...the obsessions got me right back into the e.d. cycle. MFP has taught me better. But...you live a much different lifestyle going pro en pointe. Best wishes for success while staying healthy & strong BTW...BEAUTIFUL ATTITUDE!! (that's the name of what OP is doing in her profile pic...but I'm sure her life-attitude is good, too, lol)

twnkltoz16

Okay, today I am not even logging my food. I am on strike. I am rebelling. I don't care. I just don't care. I'm tired. I'm cranky. I'm frustrated a d I have so many other things to do. I actually didn't do too badly - especially for a birthday celebration day at work and all the food we bring. I didn't eat too much, but I didn't totally eat clean either. It is hard to eat well when good food requires prep and every minute of every day is full of other things I can't really say no to - like work, and getting a shower occasionally, and sleep. I know planning ahead is the key, but I don't even have time for planning, much less shopping, prepping, packing etc etc etc. So today, I just don't care. The end.

MamaBirdBoss

finalixgarnet wrote: »

Yes it is super tough in the dance world especially the ballet world, I am trying to get into professional companies and while that's my goal I'm not willing to be sick by any means. That being said, I am short and have the matabolism of a turtle and the stamina and drive of a horse so full days of burning calories is good for me. I'm a vegiatarian and have a difficult time losing weight, I might even have a thiorid issue ... Need to check.
Thank for the support ///
I'd really like to loose about 20lbs which is still technically within my BMI, not underweight, I'm small boned, I wear I size 6 shoe and in 5'2.
But more importantly than what's on the scale - I want to get my body fat % down, I think I'm high right now in the 28% and I'd like it much lower.
Professional dancers just as any athlete use the body as a tool, my goal is to sharpen my tool as well as its my canvas for my art. If your not in super high shape no one will take you so it's worth the work and effort as well as the diet and exercise. Of course health is also s top priority that's why I want s support group to help each other not slip twords the road of anorexia --- I believe it's possible to eat right, and be thin it's all about the proper nutrients.

If you're 5'2", you've actually got a HUGE advantage over taller girls in terms of maintaining weight. The dance companies are brutal about weights if there's any pas de deux these days because they think flinging the girl higher is better, so they want everyone in the low teens at the highest so the men don't get broken!

Your metabolism IS slow, but it's because you're small and slimmish. It has nothing else to do with anything. Anyone 5'2" and under 125lbs would have a "slow metabolism." Since you're 5'2", as long as you're 115lbs, you won't get crap, and you could be as low as 102 and still be a healthy weight.

It's WAY easier to maintain at 115 than 102 (because you get more calories), so what I would do is lose weight (if you need to) down to 115, and then work on losing inches by building muscle. A lot of what dancers do is pure cardio, despite the strength you need for it, so if you build some actual muscle with direct strength training, you can look slimmer, stay a more manageable weight, and have a healthy body fat percentage.

MamaBirdBoss

finalixgarnet wrote: »

Joy!! I have to confess I did bad last night I had too much carbs/cals with pizza ugh and being allergic to gluten and milk my tummy is not happy!!!!
--- I'm in the same boat I do great during the day but then at night I don't have time to get clean healthy foods as easily.
My plan is for at least next week eat mostly salads or steamed vegitables and egg for my protien - pritty boaring, but I'm still looking for other good scoures of protien. Cutting out all processed things for a week and detoxing drinking lemon water and I'm going to get a detox tea to drink at night. Idea!!! Would it help if we had a time a night that we could not eat past like 9:30 ?

No, and detoxing won't help either. Nothing you list will actually help you lose weight.

MamaBirdBoss

finalixgarnet wrote: »

Yes it is super tough in the dance world especially the ballet world, I am trying to get into professional companies and while that's my goal I'm not willing to be sick by any means. That being said, I am short and have the matabolism of a turtle and the stamina and drive of a horse so full days of burning calories is good for me. I'm a vegiatarian and have a difficult time losing weight, I might even have a thiorid issue ... Need to check.
Thank for the support ///
I'd really like to loose about 20lbs which is still technically within my BMI, not underweight, I'm small boned, I wear I size 6 shoe and in 5'2.
But more importantly than what's on the scale - I want to get my body fat % down, I think I'm high right now in the 28% and I'd like it much lower.
Professional dancers just as any athlete use the body as a tool, my goal is to sharpen my tool as well as its my canvas for my art. If your not in super high shape no one will take you so it's worth the work and effort as well as the diet and exercise. Of course health is also s top priority that's why I want s support group to help each other not slip twords the road of anorexia --- I believe it's possible to eat right, and be thin it's all about the proper nutrients.

Anorexia has nothing to do with "proper nutrients." If you are underweight, you are underweight no matter what you eat. It is unhealthy no matter what you eat. There is no way to be underweight and also "eating right."

There's also no way to be "obese and healthy" because obesity itself is a health issue. These are opposite ends of the same spectrum, but do you realize that if you're under the age of 30, you're FAR more likely to die of your weight complications if you're underweight than even if you're morbidly obese? It takes a toll much faster.

Most of the dancers who had problems fell into to two groups--those who maintained by consuming nothing but booze and cigarettes and those who were anorexic but thought it was okay because they were eating salads. Neither is okay. The booze and cigarettes crowd will get in trouble faster, but both will end up with osteoporosis and other problems in the long run even if they don't get into immediate trouble because of undereating, and at the same weights, both have the same complications in the GI tract and with heart disease.

Orphia

Exactly. Detoxing is a waste of time, money and effort. Your kidneys and liver do all the "detoxing" the body needs, for free. Detoxes are a scam, pure and simple.

Orphia

You seem to have a lot of limitations on your diet, besides a set calorie goal.

Has a doctor tested you for a slow metabolism and gluten and lactose allergies? So many women these days think they have these problems but they are just following a silly fad in crappy women's magazines that want to sell you "cures' for these things.

I hope for your sake that those limitations you've set are unnecessary. It's hard enough being a dancer without putting obstacles in your own way.

MamaBirdBoss

Yes, your stomach feeling funny is not a sign of an allergy. It's a sign of overeating or eating stuff you don't eat usually.

If I go off milk for a couple of week and get back on it, it can make me sick for about a day. That's normal.

Cutting out whole food groups because of perceived problems with them is a warning sign of orthorexia, which is often connected to eating disorders.

Christine_72

MamaBirdBoss wrote: »

Yes, your stomach feeling funny is not a sign of an allergy. It's a sign of overeating or eating stuff you don't eat usually.

If I go off milk for a couple of week and get back on it, it can make me sick for about a day. That's normal.

Cutting out whole food groups because of perceived problems with them is a warning sign of orthorexia, which is often connected to eating disorders.

I have a feeling this group will be the poster child for woo and disordered eating

azulvioleta6

MamaBirdBoss wrote: »

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Most of the dancers who had problems fell into to two groups--those who maintained by consuming nothing but booze and cigarettes and those who were anorexic but thought it was okay because they were eating salads. Neither is okay. The booze and cigarettes crowd will get in trouble faster, but both will end up with osteoporosis and other problems in the long run even if they don't get into immediate trouble because of undereating, and at the same weights, both have the same complications in the GI tract and with heart disease.

Eh...I was a professional Latin dancer, mostly doing Afro-Cuban, especially a style called rueda de casino. It's an entirely different world from ballet and the body restrictions are much less intense. My frame size is way too big and I am much too tall for ballet or tango, so I never tried to fit myself into those worlds--it would not have been physically possible for me. I'm in my 40s now and there are some people from the company that I performed with who are still professional dancers--some of them are even older than I am, though they hide that like a state secret. The strange thing that I have noticed is that many of the heavy drinkers are still around, still living on rum and still dancing. I suppose that it will catch up with them eventually (and I certainly wouldn't recommend that lifestyle) but it isn't always a recipe for disaster.

Some people's bodies will take more abuse, I guess.