Article - IIFYM: A New Vehicle for Eating Disorders
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Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »I am skimming it now …a few things I noticed..
using a food scale is not unique to IIFYM.
no one is claiming to get ripped off a diet of pop tarts and ice cream. So it appears the author does not even really know what IIFYM is.
he also claims that IIFYM would restrict you in a social setting, which I have never found to be the case.
as a counter, layne norton posted this on FB the other day, which I found an interesting read:
"One of the not so obvious benefits to flexible dieting: the ability to eat mindfully. Once you understand what is actually in food and get good at tracking it's a skill you can apply permanently. I went to a wedding in Puerto Rico the last week. For those who have visited you know that the food choices there are not exactly what you would consider 'clean.' Everything is fried... Everything. And being in the wedding party I needed to participate in wedding activities and since I'm not prepping for a show I was not going to be rude and decline and I was not going to bring a food scale. So since I couldn't be perfect did I say 'screw it' and eat what I want with reckless abandon? No, I ate mindfully and estimated my intake based on portion sizes. Stepped on the scale today and did not gain a single pound. And this was eating fried food minimum 2x/day everyday. Life is going to happen. Eating 'clean' assumes perfect circumstances. Life is never perfect. LIFE happens. Much better to use a system that teaches you to eat mindfully rather than sending you into '*kitten* it' mode every time you can't control things perfectly."
I saw this as well.
I think he's making a bit of a false dilemma here only in that I could see people on IIFYM still entering "f it" mode so I don't think the system in itself is preventative of that. That's more down to the individual and not the method they choose.
I totally agree that people should also learn to eat mindfully. I think a method where you track intake could help that but I think mindful eating extends beyond estimation of calories. Plenty of people employ a mindful eating strategy that involves behaviors rather than estimating calorie and macronutrient counts.
Ha, I have gone in to "F-it" mode a few times and had some epic blowouts, so I get where you are coming from.
I am sure that I am to a point now where I could do mindful eating and hit most of my calorie/macro/micro targets; however, I continue to log everything in, because I like having access to the numbers...
I really do not find using a food scale to be too obsessive; however, when I am out and about I do not fret about having to log in every meal with 100% accuracy, which to me is the middle ground = log accurately when you can, and don't worry about it when you can't.
If whatever you are doing works for you, doesn't cause you stress or other negative features, and it's sustainable then rock on.
I have seen people go both ways with it..
Some go overboard and obsess about logging when they are at a wedding, birthday, etc..and others never use a food scale and then wonder why they are not losing any weight.
IMO finding the right balance between being accurate when you can, and not worrying about when out and about seems to be the correct path.
On the flip side of that, I think the more one logs food in the more you learn about portion sizes so it makes going out easier, in that you kind of know what is gong to be calorie laden and what is not.
I'd go beyond that and say that tracking is a method. It has pros and cons to it. Some people do really well on it and enjoy it. Some people hate it and obsess over it and it becomes a negative thing in their life.
It's not the only way to do things and it's not the definition of mindfulness.
Best bet is to match the method to the person. As a coach, finding that stuff out and helping the client choose the correct path is the tricky part -- something I'm still working on.
But I'm totally against the idea that an ultimate method exists that everyone must use.
Dogma is still dogma even when it's the trendy thing
I'm ranting a bit.
Folks who have YOU as a coach are lucky.
Why thank you!
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Just from the stuff I see here every day, and the way people get treated if they choose to eliminate their problem foods from their diets.... I have to overall agree with the article.0
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Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
Yup. That should be the goal!Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
Agreed and what does tracking calories or macros help a person to do?
Eat mindfully
You know this is going to get really boring if we keep agreeing like this right?
Have I ever told you how much I like your profile.
Bike porn.
Ain't nothing like a bit of bike porn ma'am!
On the flip side of that, I think the more one logs food in the more you learn about portion sizes so it makes going out easier, in that you kind of know what is gong to be calorie laden and what is not.
Yes, I think that is right as well (I left a similar comment on Sidesteel's blog recently.)
Focusing on the numbers / macros can drive real behavioural change as a person gets a better handle on diet composition, balanced choices, portion size and so on and then through constant repetition this behaviour gets ingrained. Do it enough times and it morphs into unconscious, automatic behaviour. That can be hit and miss though as a strategy.
I question this as an automatic process at least in some people. Quite possibly depends on how observant/objective people are when tracking and whether or not they are establishing behaviors while they are tracking intake.
Sure, that is a valid observation I think. It can become automatic but that is not necessarily a given. However, I am sure that many people who have tracked for some time could regulate their weight just fine with a few strategies to keep in mind (although of course they may prefer not to - there is a real security in being able to see some concrete numbers which rather than cause psychological distress alleviates it. If it ain't broke...)
Yep, definitely agree. There's typically fewer things to establish in people who habitually track intake.
I've had clients go cold turkey from logging to not logging and they are able to maintain weight just fine without any major adjustments. But these were people with established habits outside of tracking intake. I've also had people who really didn't establish those habits, but it wasn't all that difficult to focus on those behaviors and since they were already tracking, the implementation of those behaviors was done while they continued tracking, then the tracking was gradually pulled away.
That's interesting and I can imagine that tracking can act as a useful focal point to draw certain strands of behaviour together.
I'm not a coach as you are (and I agree with Sabine that your clients are lucky to have someone who appreciates a nuanced and individualised approach is a good thing) but part of my job involves driving organisational / cultural change in business. It can be tremendously difficult to move people from behaviour they have grown accustomed to over time and feel comfort in (although it may be hugely inefficient and counter productive both on a personal level and to the business.) We become what we think about and practice over time - it doesn't seem to matter if that is actually in a person's interest or not.
Incidentally many businesses have introduced mindfulness training as a way to improve productivity and it seems to be showing some real potential.0 -
PeachyCarol wrote: »He uses a few too many 'look at my article' tricks for my taste and falls into some of the fairly hysterical over-generalizations about what IIFYM means - including throwing the concept of 'eating disorders' into the article title itself.
Nothing he says genuinely addresses the issue of the kind of thinking patterns typically found in eating disordered individuals. He just seems to want to take a poke at IIFYM and rant about pop tarts.
I'd certainly welcome thoughtful discussion about that sometimes-murky line between being focused on your diet versus overtly disordered thinking (which I believe is not seen all that frequently on MFP), but his whole article just seems like more of a cheap shot for attention based on a currently-popular topic of debate.
I agree. He went on at great length to show how the disordered thinker would practice IIFYM, didn't really get into much depth, and then wrapped things up really quickly with the relatively saneAt the end of the day, some people will do best with a meal plan, others with a flexible dieting approach like IIFYM, and others a list of foods they can and cannot eat. Assess if your method causes restriction, stress and unhappiness in your life.
If it does then it is time to throw it away and find something else, irrespective of how many forum heroes or Youtube celebrities experienced great success with your failed method. All that matters is what works for you, your goals and your life.
I agree with the part I quoted. I just think he presented his point of view poorly.
The main thrust of his argument was that people in the fitness community might disproportionately tend towards disordered behavior with food. There could have been some more helpful information in the article about that and how to spot it in yourself. Instead, it comes across as a diatribe against IIFYM, and that smells of clickbait.
Life is always easier when I can just quote PeachyCarol and just say ^this.0 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
Yup. That should be the goal!Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
Agreed and what does tracking calories or macros help a person to do?
Eat mindfully
You know this is going to get really boring if we keep agreeing like this right?
Have I ever told you how much I like your profile.
Bike porn.
Ain't nothing like a bit of bike porn ma'am!
On the flip side of that, I think the more one logs food in the more you learn about portion sizes so it makes going out easier, in that you kind of know what is gong to be calorie laden and what is not.
Yes, I think that is right as well (I left a similar comment on Sidesteel's blog recently.)
Focusing on the numbers / macros can drive real behavioural change as a person gets a better handle on diet composition, balanced choices, portion size and so on and then through constant repetition this behaviour gets ingrained. Do it enough times and it morphs into unconscious, automatic behaviour. That can be hit and miss though as a strategy.
I question this as an automatic process at least in some people. Quite possibly depends on how observant/objective people are when tracking and whether or not they are establishing behaviors while they are tracking intake.
Sure, that is a valid observation I think. It can become automatic but that is not necessarily a given. However, I am sure that many people who have tracked for some time could regulate their weight just fine with a few strategies to keep in mind (although of course they may prefer not to - there is a real security in being able to see some concrete numbers which rather than cause psychological distress alleviates it. If it ain't broke...)
Yep, definitely agree. There's typically fewer things to establish in people who habitually track intake.
I've had clients go cold turkey from logging to not logging and they are able to maintain weight just fine without any major adjustments. But these were people with established habits outside of tracking intake. I've also had people who really didn't establish those habits, but it wasn't all that difficult to focus on those behaviors and since they were already tracking, the implementation of those behaviors was done while they continued tracking, then the tracking was gradually pulled away.
That's interesting and I can imagine that tracking can act as a useful focal point to draw certain strands of behaviour together.
I'm not a coach as you are (and I agree with Sabine that your clients are lucky to have someone who appreciates a nuanced and individualised approach is a good thing) but part of my job involves driving organisational / cultural change in business. It can be tremendously difficult to move people from behaviour they have grown accustomed to over time and feel comfort in (although it may be hugely inefficient and counter productive both on a personal level and to the business.) We become what we think about and practice over time - it doesn't seem to matter if that is actually in a person's interest or not.
Incidentally many businesses have introduced mindfulness training as a way to improve productivity and it seems to be showing some real potential.
Good stuff.
I'd be curious what resources you recommend regarding behavior change. Currently working through motivational interviewing and power of habit, both are excellent.0 -
The clean eating/IIFYM debate is more about semantics than food. When people in the different camps compare what they are eating, it's often discovered that they are eating very similarly! What tics people off, is calling foods or a way of eating "clean", because there is no clear definition of clean, and because the opposite is easy to assume is "unclean", which has moral underones. When it comes to weight loss, only calories count, but good nutrition is important for health. Trying to clear up in the confusion is a good thing, in my opinion.
The article is full of false dilemmas, and this is even bordering strange:
I have met ONE person in here who's hungry on IIFYM.Critics of strict food intake ignored the fact that most IIFYM dieters had an issue with keeping their appetite in check. Anything more than a few hundred calories of junk per day and they failed to get in enough high satiety foods to keep their hunger in check.
But I agree with the last bit:At the end of the day, some people will do best with a meal plan, others with a flexible dieting approach like IIFYM, and others a list of foods they can and cannot eat. Assess if your method causes restriction, stress and unhappiness in your life.0 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
Yup. That should be the goal!Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
Agreed and what does tracking calories or macros help a person to do?
Eat mindfully
You know this is going to get really boring if we keep agreeing like this right?
Have I ever told you how much I like your profile.
Bike porn.
Ain't nothing like a bit of bike porn ma'am!
On the flip side of that, I think the more one logs food in the more you learn about portion sizes so it makes going out easier, in that you kind of know what is gong to be calorie laden and what is not.
Yes, I think that is right as well (I left a similar comment on Sidesteel's blog recently.)
Focusing on the numbers / macros can drive real behavioural change as a person gets a better handle on diet composition, balanced choices, portion size and so on and then through constant repetition this behaviour gets ingrained. Do it enough times and it morphs into unconscious, automatic behaviour. That can be hit and miss though as a strategy.
I question this as an automatic process at least in some people. Quite possibly depends on how observant/objective people are when tracking and whether or not they are establishing behaviors while they are tracking intake.
Sure, that is a valid observation I think. It can become automatic but that is not necessarily a given. However, I am sure that many people who have tracked for some time could regulate their weight just fine with a few strategies to keep in mind (although of course they may prefer not to - there is a real security in being able to see some concrete numbers which rather than cause psychological distress alleviates it. If it ain't broke...)
Yep, definitely agree. There's typically fewer things to establish in people who habitually track intake.
I've had clients go cold turkey from logging to not logging and they are able to maintain weight just fine without any major adjustments. But these were people with established habits outside of tracking intake. I've also had people who really didn't establish those habits, but it wasn't all that difficult to focus on those behaviors and since they were already tracking, the implementation of those behaviors was done while they continued tracking, then the tracking was gradually pulled away.
That's interesting and I can imagine that tracking can act as a useful focal point to draw certain strands of behaviour together.
I'm not a coach as you are (and I agree with Sabine that your clients are lucky to have someone who appreciates a nuanced and individualised approach is a good thing) but part of my job involves driving organisational / cultural change in business. It can be tremendously difficult to move people from behaviour they have grown accustomed to over time and feel comfort in (although it may be hugely inefficient and counter productive both on a personal level and to the business.) We become what we think about and practice over time - it doesn't seem to matter if that is actually in a person's interest or not.
Incidentally many businesses have introduced mindfulness training as a way to improve productivity and it seems to be showing some real potential.
Good stuff.
I'd be curious what resources you recommend regarding behavior change. Currently working through motivational interviewing and power of habit, both are excellent.
I'm going to assume that you're not particularly interested in management theory / behavioural economics here so something broader like "Thinking, Fast and Slow" by Daniel Kahneman is pretty thought provoking.
If you listen to podcasts then Freakonomics Radio put out some interesting content as well.
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Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
Yup. That should be the goal!Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
Agreed and what does tracking calories or macros help a person to do?
Eat mindfully
You know this is going to get really boring if we keep agreeing like this right?
Have I ever told you how much I like your profile.
Bike porn.
Ain't nothing like a bit of bike porn ma'am!
On the flip side of that, I think the more one logs food in the more you learn about portion sizes so it makes going out easier, in that you kind of know what is gong to be calorie laden and what is not.
Yes, I think that is right as well (I left a similar comment on Sidesteel's blog recently.)
Focusing on the numbers / macros can drive real behavioural change as a person gets a better handle on diet composition, balanced choices, portion size and so on and then through constant repetition this behaviour gets ingrained. Do it enough times and it morphs into unconscious, automatic behaviour. That can be hit and miss though as a strategy.
I question this as an automatic process at least in some people. Quite possibly depends on how observant/objective people are when tracking and whether or not they are establishing behaviors while they are tracking intake.
Sure, that is a valid observation I think. It can become automatic but that is not necessarily a given. However, I am sure that many people who have tracked for some time could regulate their weight just fine with a few strategies to keep in mind (although of course they may prefer not to - there is a real security in being able to see some concrete numbers which rather than cause psychological distress alleviates it. If it ain't broke...)
Yep, definitely agree. There's typically fewer things to establish in people who habitually track intake.
I've had clients go cold turkey from logging to not logging and they are able to maintain weight just fine without any major adjustments. But these were people with established habits outside of tracking intake. I've also had people who really didn't establish those habits, but it wasn't all that difficult to focus on those behaviors and since they were already tracking, the implementation of those behaviors was done while they continued tracking, then the tracking was gradually pulled away.
That's interesting and I can imagine that tracking can act as a useful focal point to draw certain strands of behaviour together.
I'm not a coach as you are (and I agree with Sabine that your clients are lucky to have someone who appreciates a nuanced and individualised approach is a good thing) but part of my job involves driving organisational / cultural change in business. It can be tremendously difficult to move people from behaviour they have grown accustomed to over time and feel comfort in (although it may be hugely inefficient and counter productive both on a personal level and to the business.) We become what we think about and practice over time - it doesn't seem to matter if that is actually in a person's interest or not.
Incidentally many businesses have introduced mindfulness training as a way to improve productivity and it seems to be showing some real potential.
Good stuff.
I'd be curious what resources you recommend regarding behavior change. Currently working through motivational interviewing and power of habit, both are excellent.
I'm going to assume that you're not particularly interested in management theory / behavioural economics here so something broader like "Thinking, Fast and Slow" by Daniel Kahneman is pretty thought provoking.
If you listen to podcasts then Freakonomics Radio put out some interesting content as well.
Correct assumption and thanks!0 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
Yup. That should be the goal!Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »
Agreed and what does tracking calories or macros help a person to do?
Eat mindfully
You know this is going to get really boring if we keep agreeing like this right?
Have I ever told you how much I like your profile.
Bike porn.
Ain't nothing like a bit of bike porn ma'am!
On the flip side of that, I think the more one logs food in the more you learn about portion sizes so it makes going out easier, in that you kind of know what is gong to be calorie laden and what is not.
Yes, I think that is right as well (I left a similar comment on Sidesteel's blog recently.)
Focusing on the numbers / macros can drive real behavioural change as a person gets a better handle on diet composition, balanced choices, portion size and so on and then through constant repetition this behaviour gets ingrained. Do it enough times and it morphs into unconscious, automatic behaviour. That can be hit and miss though as a strategy.
I question this as an automatic process at least in some people. Quite possibly depends on how observant/objective people are when tracking and whether or not they are establishing behaviors while they are tracking intake.
Sure, that is a valid observation I think. It can become automatic but that is not necessarily a given. However, I am sure that many people who have tracked for some time could regulate their weight just fine with a few strategies to keep in mind (although of course they may prefer not to - there is a real security in being able to see some concrete numbers which rather than cause psychological distress alleviates it. If it ain't broke...)
Yep, definitely agree. There's typically fewer things to establish in people who habitually track intake.
I've had clients go cold turkey from logging to not logging and they are able to maintain weight just fine without any major adjustments. But these were people with established habits outside of tracking intake. I've also had people who really didn't establish those habits, but it wasn't all that difficult to focus on those behaviors and since they were already tracking, the implementation of those behaviors was done while they continued tracking, then the tracking was gradually pulled away.
That's interesting and I can imagine that tracking can act as a useful focal point to draw certain strands of behaviour together.
I'm not a coach as you are (and I agree with Sabine that your clients are lucky to have someone who appreciates a nuanced and individualised approach is a good thing) but part of my job involves driving organisational / cultural change in business. It can be tremendously difficult to move people from behaviour they have grown accustomed to over time and feel comfort in (although it may be hugely inefficient and counter productive both on a personal level and to the business.) We become what we think about and practice over time - it doesn't seem to matter if that is actually in a person's interest or not.
Incidentally many businesses have introduced mindfulness training as a way to improve productivity and it seems to be showing some real potential.
Good stuff.
I'd be curious what resources you recommend regarding behavior change. Currently working through motivational interviewing and power of habit, both are excellent.
I'm going to assume that you're not particularly interested in management theory / behavioural economics here so something broader like "Thinking, Fast and Slow" by Daniel Kahneman is pretty thought provoking.
If you listen to podcasts then Freakonomics Radio put out some interesting content as well.
I have "Thinking, Fast and Slow" on my Kindle; will have to finally read it.0 -
The article seems intentionally cherry picked considering the last section stating that any diet plan has the same potential pitfalls, and has the feel as though it was written by a petulant child.0
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kommodevaran wrote: »The clean eating/IIFYM debate is more about semantics than food. When people in the different camps compare what they are eating, it's often discovered that they are eating very similarly! What tics people off, is calling foods or a way of eating "clean", because there is no clear definition of clean, and because the opposite is easy to assume is "unclean", which has moral underones. When it comes to weight loss, only calories count, but good nutrition is important for health. Trying to clear up in the confusion is a good thing, in my opinion.
The article is full of false dilemmas, and this is even bordering strange:
I have met ONE person in here who's hungry on IIFYM.Critics of strict food intake ignored the fact that most IIFYM dieters had an issue with keeping their appetite in check. Anything more than a few hundred calories of junk per day and they failed to get in enough high satiety foods to keep their hunger in check.
But I agree with the last bit:At the end of the day, some people will do best with a meal plan, others with a flexible dieting approach like IIFYM, and others a list of foods they can and cannot eat. Assess if your method causes restriction, stress and unhappiness in your life.
make that 2.
I mostly IIFYM/Flexible diet- and I'm hungry all the time. But- I'm just always hungry- so- I'm not really upset/bothered by this information.0 -
Just wait till you see Jason's Youtube channel.peachyfuzzle wrote: »The article seems intentionally cherry picked considering the last section stating that any diet plan has the same potential pitfalls, and has the feel as though it was written by a petulant child.
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Just wait till you see Jason's Youtube channel.peachyfuzzle wrote: »The article seems intentionally cherry picked considering the last section stating that any diet plan has the same potential pitfalls, and has the feel as though it was written by a petulant child.
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I read the article before looking at any of the replies. Pretty much everything I thought of has been covered. As such, I'll leave you with a picture of my thoughts while reading this:
But, yes, he then finds some sanity at the end.0 -
The odd thing is Jason is actually in favor of what he likes to call flexible dieting, which amounts to IIFYM, he just hates calling it IIFYM because suddenly poptarts show up all over the place.0
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This is what I got too.peachyfuzzle wrote: »The article seems intentionally cherry picked considering the last section stating that any diet plan has the same potential pitfalls, and has the feel as though it was written by a petulant child.
You could put any diet style in place of IIFYM and list downfalls... say vegan... then pick it apart in eating out or whatever. I also do not agree with eating poptarts everyday all day.....where do they come up with these extremes.
The last part agree. Everybody has to find what works for them.
I have never seen somebody weighting their food in a restaurant and I am sure there are some compulsive people out there who do, but wouldn't that also include ANY diet style pitfall.
Changing your (eating) behavior is hard enough, you find the least stressful way that works for you.
The article seemed more like click bait to me.
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The odd thing is Jason is actually in favor of what he likes to call flexible dieting, which amounts to IIFYM, he just hates calling it IIFYM because suddenly poptarts show up all over the place.
I'd agree with him. And I'd say what most folks who say "IIFYM" (here) are doing is good ole calorie counting.
In reality IIFYM is somewhat meaningless, in that low carb, even zero carb is IIFYM...
ETA: I worry when I see multiple threads in a day that seem to suggest that meeting some ratio of macros *makes* a diet healthy and balanced.0 -
Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »The odd thing is Jason is actually in favor of what he likes to call flexible dieting, which amounts to IIFYM, he just hates calling it IIFYM because suddenly poptarts show up all over the place.
I'd agree with him. And I'd say what most folks who say "IIFYM" (here) are doing is good ole calorie counting.
In reality IIFYM is somewhat meaningless, in that low carb, even zero carb is IIFYM...
I fail to see what that has to do with this thread...
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I read the article before looking at any of the replies. Pretty much everything I thought of has been covered. As such, I'll leave you with a picture of my thoughts while reading this:
But, yes, he then finds some sanity at the end.
Yeah it sounds like someone from these forums whined to him about mean people and he took their complaint at utter face value without actually venturing into the forums at all, and then wrote an article about something he's never personally witnessed.
And then slapped a nice "everybody happy" wrap-up at the end to cover his *kitten* with.
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Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »The odd thing is Jason is actually in favor of what he likes to call flexible dieting, which amounts to IIFYM, he just hates calling it IIFYM because suddenly poptarts show up all over the place.
I'd agree with him. And I'd say what most folks who say "IIFYM" (here) are doing is good ole calorie counting.
In reality IIFYM is somewhat meaningless, in that low carb, even zero carb is IIFYM...
I fail to see what that has to do with this thread...
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Sabine_Stroehm wrote: »The odd thing is Jason is actually in favor of what he likes to call flexible dieting, which amounts to IIFYM, he just hates calling it IIFYM because suddenly poptarts show up all over the place.
I'd agree with him. And I'd say what most folks who say "IIFYM" (here) are doing is good ole calorie counting.
In reality IIFYM is somewhat meaningless, in that low carb, even zero carb is IIFYM...
I fail to see what that has to do with this thread...
She's pointing out that if you are intending to track and hit macros, then you're doing IIFYM even if those macros are ketogenic, low carb, high carb, etc etc.0 -
Just wait till you see Jason's Youtube channel.peachyfuzzle wrote: »The article seems intentionally cherry picked considering the last section stating that any diet plan has the same potential pitfalls, and has the feel as though it was written by a petulant child.
Do... do I have to?0 -
peachyfuzzle wrote: »
Just wait till you see Jason's Youtube channel.peachyfuzzle wrote: »The article seems intentionally cherry picked considering the last section stating that any diet plan has the same potential pitfalls, and has the feel as though it was written by a petulant child.
Do... do I have to?
heh.
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Just sounds to me that he needed some subject to write about. In the end, eh.
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I haven't read the article yet but I did see Jason's vblog on it over the weekend. He seems to be saying in the video that it's not that IIFM is bad but that it's not a remedy for eating disorders like some might think. I know a woman that had to quit MFP a while back because she had an ED previously and chasing macro targets was causing her issues and she felt that she might slip back into an ED.
Anything can cause an issue with a person who is suseptable.0 -
Wheelhouse15 wrote: »I haven't read the article yet but I did see Jason's vblog on it over the weekend. He seems to be saying in the video that it's not that IIFM is bad but that it's not a remedy for eating disorders like some might think. I know a woman that had to quit MFP a while back because she had an ED previously and chasing macro targets was causing her issues and she felt that she might slip back into an ED.
Anything can cause an issue with a person who is suseptable.
I would think that a lot of the disordered eating can come from obsessive behavior, and I would think that if that is the inherent problem you have, you can just switch that obsessive behavior from one aspect (only eating 3 kinds of food or not eating anything with x, y or z in it) to the other (eating anything, but becoming completely obsessive with weighing/logging to the point that it interferes with your life). The issue that needs to be addressed is not necessarily the diet itself, but the obsessive behavior.0 -
IMO, this is what it all boils down to. There is no perfect diet. I agree with what you said before sidesteel. Any "diet" method has the potential to become obsessive, compulsive and or disordered if the personality of the dieter lets it.If whatever you are doing works for you, doesn't cause you stress or other negative features, and it's sustainable then rock on.
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This is exactly where I am as well...I really do not find using a food scale to be too obsessive; however, when I am out and about I do not fret about having to log in every meal with 100% accuracy, which to me is the middle ground = log accurately when you can, and don't worry about it when you can't.
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