High Intensity ALWAYS!
W8PushaD
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I don't know about you guys, but I feel high intensity workouts are the best for gaining muscle and losing fat at the same time. Some people may say "no its not good for you, you put your body through too much stress." Hell with that, I've seen ridiculous results from doing high intensity lifting and high intensity cardio. As long as you get proper rest and meals, you're fine.
Anyone agree, disagree?
Anyone agree, disagree?
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I don't know about you guys, but I feel high intensity workouts are the best for gaining muscle and losing fat at the same time. Some people may say "no its not good for you, you put your body through too much stress." Hell with that, I've seen ridiculous results from doing high intensity lifting and high intensity cardio. As long as you get proper rest and meals, you're fine.
Anyone agree, disagree?
Nope @ bold.
They require different things. Gaining muscle requires a caloric surplus but you will also gain fat. Losing weight requires a caloric deficit, you can potentially lose muscle and will lose fat. Unless you're getting noobie gains for an abnormal period of time... I doubt you're gaining muscle and losing fat at the same time.
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The majority of my workouts fall into this category. I've been very happy with the results.0
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IsaackGMOON wrote: »I don't know about you guys, but I feel high intensity workouts are the best for gaining muscle and losing fat at the same time. Some people may say "no its not good for you, you put your body through too much stress." Hell with that, I've seen ridiculous results from doing high intensity lifting and high intensity cardio. As long as you get proper rest and meals, you're fine.
Anyone agree, disagree?
Nope @ bold.
They require different things. Gaining muscle requires a caloric surplus but you will also gain fat. Losing weight requires a caloric deficit, you can potentially lose muscle and will lose fat. Unless you're getting noobie gains for an abnormal period of time... I doubt you're gaining muscle and losing fat at the same time.
You must not know too much about proteins, and carbs. Lean diets or weightlifting period. You are right about the surplus and deficit of course, but the way you train, and quality supplements play a huge role if your diet is down packed. Ive talked to trainers, doctors, etc. It is possible. I'm not making noob gains either, that stopped a while back. But thanks for your reply Brah0 -
IsaackGMOON wrote: »I don't know about you guys, but I feel high intensity workouts are the best for gaining muscle and losing fat at the same time. Some people may say "no its not good for you, you put your body through too much stress." Hell with that, I've seen ridiculous results from doing high intensity lifting and high intensity cardio. As long as you get proper rest and meals, you're fine.
Anyone agree, disagree?
Nope @ bold.
They require different things. Gaining muscle requires a caloric surplus but you will also gain fat. Losing weight requires a caloric deficit, you can potentially lose muscle and will lose fat. Unless you're getting noobie gains for an abnormal period of time... I doubt you're gaining muscle and losing fat at the same time.
You must not know too much about proteins, and carbs. Lean diets or weightlifting period. You are right about the surplus and deficit of course, but the way you train, and quality supplements play a huge role if your diet is down packed. Ive talked to trainers, doctors, etc. It is possible. I'm not making noob gains either, that stopped a while back. But thanks for your reply Brah
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How are you sure you're losing fat and gaining muscle, can I ask?0
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MOST of my calories are burnt doing low-intensity things. My joints and muscles can't yet handle high-intensity. Pushing someone who's not ready into high-intensity is a recipe for injuries.0
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I guess it depends on what you mean by high intensity. If you mean give it your all when lifting then yea. However if you mean "High intensity" by cardio standards, 70-90 of my max heart rate, then I don't do that all of the time but do a few times a week as part of my regime.0
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Disagree on cardio. the high intensity v steady state argument is one that rages on and on, but i find a mixture works well. For cardio unless its VO2 you wnat then overall calorie burn is importnat. How much cardio are you actually doing and how many calories a day are you burning?0
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All of my workouts are HIIT with body weight exercises and cardio.0
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for me steady state fasted cardio works. It just does. For you that worked. It just does. No wrong answer just do what your body best responds to0
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I don't know about you guys, but I feel high intensity workouts are the best for gaining muscle and losing fat at the same time. Some people may say "no its not good for you, you put your body through too much stress." Hell with that, I've seen ridiculous results from doing high intensity lifting and high intensity cardio. As long as you get proper rest and meals, you're fine.
Anyone agree, disagree?
Im doing crossfit so im with you there, id add this to what you said though, high intensity workout are great for you for limited times. After about an hour to an hour and a half your body is going to secrete a lot of cortisol (stressor hormones), and this limits fat loss. I still like to add some cardio burn about once a week.0 -
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Aside from other things already mentioned, it depends on your risk/reward tolerance and how much injuries matter or don't matter to you.I don't know about you guys, but I feel high intensity workouts are the best for gaining muscle and losing fat at the same time. Some people may say "no its not good for you, you put your body through too much stress." Hell with that, I've seen ridiculous results from doing high intensity lifting and high intensity cardio. As long as you get proper rest and meals, you're fine.
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UltimateRBF wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »I don't know about you guys, but I feel high intensity workouts are the best for gaining muscle and losing fat at the same time. Some people may say "no its not good for you, you put your body through too much stress." Hell with that, I've seen ridiculous results from doing high intensity lifting and high intensity cardio. As long as you get proper rest and meals, you're fine.
Anyone agree, disagree?
Nope @ bold.
They require different things. Gaining muscle requires a caloric surplus but you will also gain fat. Losing weight requires a caloric deficit, you can potentially lose muscle and will lose fat. Unless you're getting noobie gains for an abnormal period of time... I doubt you're gaining muscle and losing fat at the same time.
You must not know too much about proteins, and carbs. Lean diets or weightlifting period. You are right about the surplus and deficit of course, but the way you train, and quality supplements play a huge role if your diet is down packed. Ive talked to trainers, doctors, etc. It is possible. I'm not making noob gains either, that stopped a while back. But thanks for your reply Brah
What does that even mean?
I think he meant down "pat". Meaning if you have the diet part on point, the rest will follow??
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UltimateRBF wrote: »IsaackGMOON wrote: »I don't know about you guys, but I feel high intensity workouts are the best for gaining muscle and losing fat at the same time. Some people may say "no its not good for you, you put your body through too much stress." Hell with that, I've seen ridiculous results from doing high intensity lifting and high intensity cardio. As long as you get proper rest and meals, you're fine.
Anyone agree, disagree?
Nope @ bold.
They require different things. Gaining muscle requires a caloric surplus but you will also gain fat. Losing weight requires a caloric deficit, you can potentially lose muscle and will lose fat. Unless you're getting noobie gains for an abnormal period of time... I doubt you're gaining muscle and losing fat at the same time.
You must not know too much about proteins, and carbs. Lean diets or weightlifting period. You are right about the surplus and deficit of course, but the way you train, and quality supplements play a huge role if your diet is down packed. Ive talked to trainers, doctors, etc. It is possible. I'm not making noob gains either, that stopped a while back. But thanks for your reply Brah
What does that even mean?
My pillows are down packed.0 -
If every workout is done at high intensity you need to walk a fine line with rest & recovery. And even then you are flirting with burnout over time. I prefer a varied intensity thru the week and thru your workout cycles. Its a much more sustainable pattern in my opinion. Too much of a good thing isn't always better.0
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Very effective for overtraining injuries.
But what do I know. I only did exactly this (lots of high intensity) and now I've been benched for the last two months with an injury.0 -
I can see some good points in intense workouts
I do HIIT 3 days a week and then a slower heavy lift workout 2 days a week.
The HIIT helps lower body fat and burn calories. I do a 20 minute walk cool down after it.
I think the leaning effect of fat loss always makes the building effect of adding muscle look better.
The two go well together. I'm not a fan of the old school bulk up with lots of fat and muscle and then take a couple months to burn off the fat and lose some of that muscle. Lifting and doing some HIIT cardio is my preferred method.
Just sticking to any nutrition and workout strategy for a year is rare though. Just look at how many are at the Gym in January compared to August.
I think any reasonable plan will work if you put in lots of effort and don't quit.
It isn't about more supplements or more machines, or more diet gimmicks. It's about more of that "I'm not gonna quit".
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Meh, I'm old with dodgy joints thanks to chronic autoimmune arthritis. I'll take fasted steady state, thanks. I occasionally work some intervals if my music player gives me a faster song, but I'm going for longer times on my cardio because I enjoy what I'm doing. I'm seeing progression in my fitness, so it's working.
For strength training? I lift what I can handle, but can't push things. It's slow going. Again, baby steps but getting there. I see progress, that's how I gauge things.0 -
Even trying and doing it with chronic arthritis is tough.
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The gaining muscle part? Well, yeah because anything that has you working with sufficient load through resistance and anaerobically will see better gains than something which has you working aerobically with less load.
The losing fat part? That is highly debatable and in fact I would say LISS & MISS is superior even accounting for EPOC simply because people generate higher total calorie burns because they can do it for much longer.
As for the holy grail of concurrent muscle gain and fat loss, outside of very targeted training protocols, this is unlikely over an extended time frame (say 6 months or so) no matter what you do. One is anabolic. The other is catabolic. Opposing ends of the spectrum.0 -
The gaining muscle part? Well, yeah because anything that has you working with sufficient load through resistance and anaerobically will see better gains than something which has you working aerobically with less load.
The losing fat part? That is highly debatable and in fact I would say LISS & MISS is superior even accounting for EPOC simply because people generate higher total calorie burns because they can do it for much longer.
As for the holy grail of concurrent muscle gain and fat loss, outside of very targeted training protocols, this is unlikely over an extended time frame (say 6 months or so) no matter what you do. One is anabolic. The other is catabolic. Opposing ends of the spectrum.
That's what I thought... it's pretty hard to gain muscle in a deficit.
I reckon OP is mistaking looking bigger with getting bigger.0 -
I seem to lose fat and stay muscular no matter how I exercise. I enjoy high intensity more. But I get injured if I don't take easy days, and that doesn't help with anything. So I do high intensity cardio and/or strength training 2 or 3 times a week, and low to moderate intensity about 3 times a week, and sometimes I just sit on a recumbent bike and pedal while I read a book, because it's better than sitting still and reading. And I'm still muscular, because I'm consistent.
Oh, I'm nursing a fractured leg right now, and still keeping up with my workouts, modified to fit my doctor's recommendations. If anyone is injured, a stationary bike can be a godsend.
Go PeachyCarol! People like you are my role models.0 -
The gaining muscle part? Well, yeah because anything that has you working with sufficient load through resistance and anaerobically will see better gains than something which has you working aerobically with less load.
The losing fat part? That is highly debatable and in fact I would say LISS & MISS is superior even accounting for EPOC simply because people generate higher total calorie burns because they can do it for much longer.
As for the holy grail of concurrent muscle gain and fat loss, outside of very targeted training protocols, this is unlikely over an extended time frame (say 6 months or so) no matter what you do. One is anabolic. The other is catabolic. Opposing ends of the spectrum.
Not really how it works.
http://science.jrank.org/pages/319/Anabolism.html
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/8871.php0 -
I prefer low intensity cardio because high intensity makes me hungrier than it's worth (I.e., I'd have to eat more calories than I burned in order to feel satisfied. ) I do one high intensity workout a week just for some extra conditioning but it's only 7 minutes. I can't imagine doing longer workouts like that as a majority of my exercise.0
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The gaining muscle part? Well, yeah because anything that has you working with sufficient load through resistance and anaerobically will see better gains than something which has you working aerobically with less load.
The losing fat part? That is highly debatable and in fact I would say LISS & MISS is superior even accounting for EPOC simply because people generate higher total calorie burns because they can do it for much longer.
As for the holy grail of concurrent muscle gain and fat loss, outside of very targeted training protocols, this is unlikely over an extended time frame (say 6 months or so) no matter what you do. One is anabolic. The other is catabolic. Opposing ends of the spectrum.
Not really how it works.
http://science.jrank.org/pages/319/Anabolism.html
http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/8871.php
Fair play.
The point I was essentially making is that losing body fat requires negative energy balance which is generally a catabolic environment. Building muscle is anabolic requiring energy in an energy depleted dieting environment. Ideally the body would partition all ingested calories towards muscle preservation or in this case building whilst pulling fat out of fat stores to make up for the lack of available energy. This doesn't really happen though in practice outside of some specific situations (overfat beginners and the like) and even then it doesn't continue over the long term. That's my understanding of it but I am open to being corrected as needs be.0
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