Stomach area
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MamaBirdBoss wrote: »arditarose wrote: »demoiselle2014 wrote: »arditarose wrote: »nopotofgold wrote: »I hold in the butt and thighs but lose in my stomach the fastest. It's genetic. The only thing that I heard that might help you lose inches on you stomach and sides are weighted hula hoop. It's counts as cardio but is suppose to be do similar things like bell dancing. Most beneficial if you do it for thirty minutes or more. Good luck.
And this is a no-because you can't spot reduce. Spinning a hula hoop around your waist does nothing for belly fat.
Doesn't strengthening your core have an effect on measurements? If nothing else, stronger core muscles would mean you can keep them engaged more of the time. I know that if I keep my core engaged, it takes at least an inch off my waist.
No. Strengthening the core does just that...strengthens the core. If you have good posture, the appearance of your stomach can look nicer compared to one who is slouching-even if you have the same exact stats and measurements.
You need to consume less than you burn, and wait for fat to come off of the belly to lose belly fat. Period.
Strengthening your core can, indeed, reduce inches by holding in your organs better. People who have been very obese or who have had children are particularly likely to have poor muscle tone there. A person with my exact weight could look like I do when I TRY to push out my stomach, for instance. And they usually do. Very thin girls with VERY little fat over their abs can rock a serious pooch from lack of muscle tone.
I have no extra weight or mass when I stick my bell out. But since I have restored tone in my belly, my belly has only pooch from fat over it, not from it not being held up any more. Those pictures on the left are slightly less than 10lb difference and are entirely at rest. I've lost a good amount of fat, but I also got some of my old natural tone back.
Toning the entirely pelvic girdle also makes sex better. And you don't pee when you sneeze.
10 pounds is a pretty big difference. My stomach would be flatter too.0 -
Actually muscle DOES have tone. Low tone is associated with any number of problems. Areas like your pelvis have constantly working muscles that need to be able to maintain a certain level of tone to prevent serious problem.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pelvic_floor
Incontinence, uterine prolapse, rectal prolapse, perineal hernia and more are caused by low pelvic muscle tone.
People who are born with low muscle tone tend to have issues with dislocations and joint injuries.
The targeted strengthening of muscles is incredibly important for maintaining muscle tone.
The tone of muscles is also affected by neurological injuries and inherited disordered. Both high and low tone can have serious consequences on their own or can be symptoms of other disorders.
I suffer from a genetic myotonia. Look it up. Muscles have tone.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypotonia
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hypertonia0 -
arditarose wrote: »demoiselle2014 wrote: »
Probably just means you don't slump then. Slump over and I bet your waist line measurement is larger. Doesn't mean you gained fat.demoiselle2014 wrote: »arditarose wrote: »nopotofgold wrote: »I hold in the butt and thighs but lose in my stomach the fastest. It's genetic. The only thing that I heard that might help you lose inches on you stomach and sides are weighted hula hoop. It's counts as cardio but is suppose to be do similar things like bell dancing. Most beneficial if you do it for thirty minutes or more. Good luck.
And this is a no-because you can't spot reduce. Spinning a hula hoop around your waist does nothing for belly fat.
Doesn't strengthening your core have an effect on measurements? If nothing else, stronger core muscles would mean you can keep them engaged more of the time. I know that if I keep my core engaged, it takes at least an inch off my waist.
Flexing and engaging any muscle will usually increase circumference measurement.
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Yes, that was my point.
Your responded to my post saying hula hooping does nothing to reduce belly fat, so your point was unclear. As I was talking about reducing belly fat.
I'm sorry I was unclear. I thought saying that strengthening the core would make engaging the muscles easier would make it clear I was talking about muscles not fat. However, the parent post is about fat, so I guess the confusion is understandable.
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No one said muscle tone didn't exist.
Anyway, have fun! I'm off to the gym.0 -
demoiselle2014 wrote: »arditarose wrote: »demoiselle2014 wrote: »
Probably just means you don't slump then. Slump over and I bet your waist line measurement is larger. Doesn't mean you gained fat.demoiselle2014 wrote: »arditarose wrote: »nopotofgold wrote: »I hold in the butt and thighs but lose in my stomach the fastest. It's genetic. The only thing that I heard that might help you lose inches on you stomach and sides are weighted hula hoop. It's counts as cardio but is suppose to be do similar things like bell dancing. Most beneficial if you do it for thirty minutes or more. Good luck.
And this is a no-because you can't spot reduce. Spinning a hula hoop around your waist does nothing for belly fat.
Doesn't strengthening your core have an effect on measurements? If nothing else, stronger core muscles would mean you can keep them engaged more of the time. I know that if I keep my core engaged, it takes at least an inch off my waist.
Flexing and engaging any muscle will usually increase circumference measurement.
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Been in fitness for 30 years and have studied kinesiology and nutrition
Yes, that was my point.
Your responded to my post saying hula hooping does nothing to reduce belly fat, so your point was unclear. As I was talking about reducing belly fat.
I'm sorry I was unclear. I thought saying that strengthening the core would make engaging the muscles easier would make it clear I was talking about muscles not fat. However, the parent post is about fat, so I guess the confusion is understandable.
It's cool. Sorry bout that.0 -
arditarose wrote: »MamaBirdBoss wrote: »arditarose wrote: »demoiselle2014 wrote: »arditarose wrote: »nopotofgold wrote: »I hold in the butt and thighs but lose in my stomach the fastest. It's genetic. The only thing that I heard that might help you lose inches on you stomach and sides are weighted hula hoop. It's counts as cardio but is suppose to be do similar things like bell dancing. Most beneficial if you do it for thirty minutes or more. Good luck.
And this is a no-because you can't spot reduce. Spinning a hula hoop around your waist does nothing for belly fat.
Doesn't strengthening your core have an effect on measurements? If nothing else, stronger core muscles would mean you can keep them engaged more of the time. I know that if I keep my core engaged, it takes at least an inch off my waist.
No. Strengthening the core does just that...strengthens the core. If you have good posture, the appearance of your stomach can look nicer compared to one who is slouching-even if you have the same exact stats and measurements.
You need to consume less than you burn, and wait for fat to come off of the belly to lose belly fat. Period.
Strengthening your core can, indeed, reduce inches by holding in your organs better. People who have been very obese or who have had children are particularly likely to have poor muscle tone there. A person with my exact weight could look like I do when I TRY to push out my stomach, for instance. And they usually do. Very thin girls with VERY little fat over their abs can rock a serious pooch from lack of muscle tone.
I have no extra weight or mass when I stick my bell out. But since I have restored tone in my belly, my belly has only pooch from fat over it, not from it not being held up any more. Those pictures on the left are slightly less than 10lb difference and are entirely at rest. I've lost a good amount of fat, but I also got some of my old natural tone back.
Toning the entirely pelvic girdle also makes sex better. And you don't pee when you sneeze.
10 pounds is a pretty big difference. My stomach would be flatter too.
Read about pelvic floor dysfunction due to low muscle tone and its association with obesity and pregnancy and childbirth.
If you've injured your muscles too badly during pregnancy and childbirth, you may not be able to fully restore it, though. Both muscular and neurological damage can occur.
But it's such a good thing that "muscle tone" doesn't exist because I bet all those people out there with cerebral palsy are glad to hear that they don't actually have a problem. OTs and PTs everywhere can dismiss a huge chunk of their pediatric and neurological injury patients, too.0 -
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arditarose wrote: »nopotofgold wrote: »arditarose wrote: »
So...you learned from the posts. Okay. Good.
Also, there is no such thing as "toning". You can't change the tone of your muscles. You can lose fat and reveal muscle beneath by eating at a deficit and saving LBM while lifting, or you can lift and eat at a surplus-to gain muscle along with fat.
So using what I think you believe "tone" to mean...the answer would still be the same. Eat at a deficit to reveal muscle beneath while running a full body strength training program.
Learned what? I said it might help. It is still the same, it might help. The work outs she is doing aren't so this might help since she ask.
I like the word tone. So I can use it if I want and will continue to.
If you need everything spelled out for you on what toning means and how working out certain area may help with weight fat reduction you really should just ask instead of doing this long drawn out chats on someone else's post.0 -
nopotofgold wrote: »arditarose wrote: »nopotofgold wrote: »arditarose wrote: »
So...you learned from the posts. Okay. Good.
Also, there is no such thing as "toning". You can't change the tone of your muscles. You can lose fat and reveal muscle beneath by eating at a deficit and saving LBM while lifting, or you can lift and eat at a surplus-to gain muscle along with fat.
So using what I think you believe "tone" to mean...the answer would still be the same. Eat at a deficit to reveal muscle beneath while running a full body strength training program.
Learned what? I said it might help. It is still the same, it might help. The work outs she is doing aren't so this might help since she ask.
I like the word tone. So I can use it if I want and will continue to.
If you need everything spelled out for you on what toning means and how working out certain area may help with weight fat reduction you really should just ask instead of doing this long drawn out chats on someone else's post.
I was only trying to help, as toning is not a real thing and it can be beneficial to establish realistic goals.0 -
arditarose wrote: »No one said muscle tone didn't exist.
Anyway, have fun! I'm off to the gym.
You said that muscles can't be tone, so yeah, you did.
It's pretty ridiculous of you to presume to know more than I do about the changes that have occurred in my own body. Especially since this is my third kid, and especially since (unlike MOST women with three kids) I have zero long-term stress incontinence after any pregnancy.
I had diastasis recti with every pregnancy. That, too, makes your stomach larger without a weight change. And that, too, is addressed through working on strengthening the correct muscles so that they maintain proper TONE to support your organs.
But, you know, muscle tone can't make your stomach smaller, oooooh, no.
Just like you engage your back and legs to stand up, you also engage the muscles in your stomach and pelvic floor. If they aren't working hard enough, all kinds of nasty things happen. "Mommy tummy"--and I'm not talking about fat--is only one of them.0 -
MamaBirdBoss wrote: »arditarose wrote: »No one said muscle tone didn't exist.
Anyway, have fun! I'm off to the gym.
You said that muscles can't be tone, so yeah, you did.
It's pretty ridiculous of you to presume to know more than I do about the changes that have occurred in my own body. Especially since this is my third kid, and especially since (unlike MOST women with three kids) I have zero long-term stress incontinence after any pregnancy.
I had diastasis recti with every pregnancy. That, too, makes your stomach larger without a weight change. And that, too, is addressed through working on strengthening the correct muscles so that they maintain proper TONE to support your organs.
But, you know, muscle tone can't make your stomach smaller, oooooh, no.
Just like you engage your back and legs to stand up, you also engage the muscles in your stomach and pelvic floor. If they aren't working hard enough, all kinds of nasty things happen. "Mommy tummy"--and I'm not talking about fat--is only one of them.
I actually haven't read your responses about your own body because I was responding to the OP about hers.
If you read my post again I said you can't change the tone of your muscle, not that muscle doesn't have tone.0 -
Anyway, since I have been no help, perhaps the OP will like and learn from this thread
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1161603/so-you-want-a-nice-stomach/p10 -
@arditarose But it is a word that describes the lose of fat that allows the muscle to be shown that is easily understood by the majority of the population. Most people don't want thing that their body is eating it's self or that when you lose fat, muscle is being used up is smaller amounts and replenished if the person is on a healthy diet (body is getting all the nutrients and caloric intake that it needs) and workout regiment.0
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My two cents, but it may not be all abdominal fat. Google Diastasis recti, like @MamaBirdBoss was saying. My abs were split badly from carrying around a kid who was 12 pounds when he finally decided to come out and then a few years doing traditional ab exercises made the split worse. At 16% BF, I could see ab definition, but it was still pooched out (so seeming to look bigger in comparison than it did before, like you). Transverse ab exercises are the only direct core work I do now, outside of compound lifts, and they're awesome!0
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Take pictures and you will notice changes...i never notice and felt i was getting bigger...that thought stayed in my mind and gained back 40...when i saw i didn't fit in clothes like i used to and lookes at pics from then to now i hated myself for thinking my stomach wasn't shrinking...when it really was.0
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