For those Dieting right now..

elbaldwin0525

Which feels worse...... being deep into a diet where your stomach seems to never want to get full or the binge/refeed day when you over eat a little and your stomach feels like its going to BLOW?

IsaackGMOON

No idea because I never experienced either while losing weight.

yopeeps025

Yo yo diets don't work OP.

whmscll

I don't have days like either of these. I eat enough calories so that I am not truly hungry and don't do "refeeds" especially not to the point of feeling sick.

dubird

I don't do 'diet'. I've come to realize that, while slower, changing how I eat as well as what I eat will last longer and be more emotionally satisfying.

What diet are you using, exactly?

DemoraFairy

I wouldn't say either of those things should be parts of any diet... but like most people I've been really hungry and I've eaten too much and felt sick (if I go to an all you can eat restaurant, I'm damn well eating all I can eat!), and I personally think eating too much feels way worse.

shadowofender

When I first started and I thought that to lose weight I had to be hungry I got in that cycle. But I can eat at a deficit and still eat a crapton of food so I really don't have that issue now?

PaulaWallaDingDong

I don't think refeeds are supposed to make you feel like you're going to explode. You may be doing it wrong. And if you're starving during deficit, you might want to reassess your deficit size and/or meal timing.

maillemaker

I never "refeed" but I am hungry all the time when I am losing weight. I can tell without even getting on the scale if I'm losing weight or not. If I'm not hungry, the scale isn't going down. It's a natural response to depleting fat stores.

theportkey

Strange as it seems... I've not had that feeling that I'm dieting. MFP helps me to acknowledge what I eat every day and has encouraged healthy eating.
I now know the calories I should take in.. Which in turn makes me realise the vast sized portions I ate. My dinner plate mirrored my husbands and he is on his feet for 12 hour shifts and I sit on my *kitten* all day.
My portion control... Is controlled... and the weight is coming off.
If I fancy a treat I move my calories about on other meals.
Good luck and have a go at Porridge for breakfast. Keeps me going til lunchtime.
Good luck xxxx

kommodevaran

maillemaker wrote: »

I never "refeed" but I am hungry all the time when I am losing weight. I can tell without even getting on the scale if I'm losing weight or not. If I'm not hungry, the scale isn't going down. It's a natural response to depleting fat stores.

Not for me, and I don't think for most people. Fat stores supplement energy needs when we are eating less than maintenance level.

Getting enough of all nutrients is important for health and will optimize satiety. But sensation of hunger is individual and may never go away for some, no matter what one eats, and even at maintenance or gain.

quintoespada

key word: diet. don't diet. change your lifestyle. if you're TRULY hungry from not eating enough/taking in enough macros or calories, eat. otherwise, you need water. that's really all i can tell you, tbh.

zyxst

Being hungry sucks.

SergeantSausage

> the binge/refeed day when you over eat a little and your stomach feels like its going to BLOW?


Why would you do this?

It is completely unnecessary.

barbecuesauce

elbaldwin0525 wrote: »

Which feels worse...... being deep into a diet where your stomach seems to never want to get full or the binge/refeed day when you over eat a little and your stomach feels like its going to BLOW?

-Your deficit may be too high or you're making poor food choices. More vegetables and beans and lean protein, perhaps?

-I think you are misunderstanding the concept of a refeed. Your stomach should not feel like it is going to blow and it is not synonymous with binge.

As for the first feeling, I eat if I get more than a little hungry. There's hunger you can deal with and there's hunger that leads to binging. I'd rather go slightly over my calories while making healthy choices, rather than hundreds of calories after midnight (or other dumb things I've done in the past).

I don't know that I've ever experienced the second feeling--maybe when my gallbladder acts up, but that can happen well under my calories so we're not talking about the same thing I think.

Kalikel

I don't do the cutting, bulking, refeeding stuff, but would prefer to be a little hungry instead of stuffed.

Stuffed is so uncomfortable.

I eat smaller meals and the "feeling stuffed" is part of it.

SezxyStef

yah I haven't felt those "physical feelings" in a very long time...most definitely not since I joined MFP and got educated.

Not hungry...not stuffed....satisfied is how I live now.

95savvy

well i know when my stomach feels empty and i fill it back up when i am scheduled to, i feel empowered. it takes practice, patience, dedication and determination. when i fill myself too much then i feel lazy, and uncomfortable. regardless if it was healthy or not. there are limits and boundaries.

nvmomketo

maillemaker wrote: »

I never "refeed" but I am hungry all the time when I am losing weight. I can tell without even getting on the scale if I'm losing weight or not. If I'm not hungry, the scale isn't going down. It's a natural response to depleting fat stores.

I think hunger is partially a response to depleted glycogen (sugar) stores and not depleting my fat stores. I eat pretty high (healthy) fat with lowered carbohydrates yet I find I am not hungry very often, and when I am hungry it is just a mild thing now.

ASKyle

A "diet" is simply what you're eating. Pizza diet, anyone?

My suggestion would be to stop equating the term diet with restriction, and focus on a sustainable lifestyle change. One where you aren't starving or about to explode.

maillemaker

Not for me, and I don't think for most people. Fat stores supplement energy needs when we are eating less than maintenance level.

Getting enough of all nutrients is important for health and will optimize satiety. But sensation of hunger is individual and may never go away for some, no matter what one eats, and even at maintenance or gain.

I suspect it is that way for most people, which is why most people fail at weight loss attempts long-term, and why weight loss in general is very hard.

If you weren't hungry, you wouldn't eat.

My mother-in-law just came off the appetite suppressant Phentermine/Topiramate, and consequently has begun eating again and gained weight.

I think hunger is what destroys most weight loss attempts. Since most people fail, I suspect most people are hungry.

I think hunger is partially a response to depleted glycogen (sugar) stores and not depleting my fat stores. I eat pretty high (healthy) fat with lowered carbohydrates yet I find I am not hungry very often, and when I am hungry it is just a mild thing now.

From the studies I've read on Adaptive Theomogenesis by Dr. Liebel et al, hunger, reduced metabolism, sensitivity to cold - all of these symptoms are a result of declined Leptin levels and were mitigated by injections of Leptin during the study.

In other words, it's the decline in fat stores that triggers the hunger and other symptoms.

kommodevaran

maillemaker wrote: »

Not for me, and I don't think for most people. Fat stores supplement energy needs when we are eating less than maintenance level.

Getting enough of all nutrients is important for health and will optimize satiety. But sensation of hunger is individual and may never go away for some, no matter what one eats, and even at maintenance or gain.

I suspect it is that way for most people, which is why most people fail at weight loss attempts long-term, and why weight loss in general is very hard.

If you weren't hungry, you wouldn't eat.

My mother-in-law just came off the appetite suppressant Phentermine/Topiramate, and consequently has begun eating again and gained weight.

I think hunger is what destroys most weight loss attempts. Since most people fail, I suspect most people are hungry.

I think hunger is partially a response to depleted glycogen (sugar) stores and not depleting my fat stores. I eat pretty high (healthy) fat with lowered carbohydrates yet I find I am not hungry very often, and when I am hungry it is just a mild thing now.

From the studies I've read on Adaptive Theomogenesis by Dr. Liebel et al, hunger, reduced metabolism, sensitivity to cold - all of these symptoms are a result of declined Leptin levels and were mitigated by injections of Leptin during the study.

In other words, it's the decline in fat stores that triggers the hunger and other symptoms.

I don't know... my reasons for eating too much hasn't been hunger, but cravings, bad habits, denial/indifference/compulsion, little knowledge about hunger/satiety signals, just liking the mouthfeel/taste too much, wanting to eat, difficulty declining when offered food, and the ingrained "clean your plate" from childhood which also pushed me to eat just to avoid becoming hungry.

When I'm mindful about what I eat (when I deliberately lose weight or maintain), I feel fine. Some occasional cravings, that I mostly can ignore, and just pleasantly hungry before meals, or rather, looking forward to eating.

I think people fail at dieting because they restrict too much, either by a too large calorie deficit, or cutting out major food groups, totally denying treats, or in some other way eat boring food. And at the same time exposing themselves to temptations, relying on willpower alone.

lemurcat12

IsaackGMOON wrote: »

No idea because I never experienced either while losing weight.

Me neither.

I ate enough to be satisfied and when I occasionally went over my calories I didn't stuff myself. (I also didn't bother with the refeed thing.)

sympha01

What is this feeling of fullness that you speak of? Sounds intriguing.

AlyM725

maillemaker wrote: »

I never "refeed" but I am hungry all the time when I am losing weight. I can tell without even getting on the scale if I'm losing weight or not. If I'm not hungry, the scale isn't going down. It's a natural response to depleting fat stores.

Thats not the way it has to be though. Seriously, that used to be me, I was sooo hungry all the time. But ever since I started eating clean, I haven't been ridiculously hungry. Lots of fruit and vegetables and lean protein like chicken and a little bit of good carbs like quinoa. Its helped with my bingeing too.

Lourdesong

elbaldwin0525 wrote: »

Which feels worse...... being deep into a diet where your stomach seems to never want to get full or the binge/refeed day when you over eat a little and your stomach feels like its going to BLOW?

Being hungry and/or unsatisfied feels much worse than "overeating a little." And it feels worse than overeating a lot.

But, I've also never been one to find a full belly to be all that of an unpleasant experience. Guilty feelings for overeating is quite unpleasant, though. Feeling bad for doing what feels so good, lol.

Christine_72

Lourdesong wrote: »

elbaldwin0525 wrote: »

Which feels worse...... being deep into a diet where your stomach seems to never want to get full or the binge/refeed day when you over eat a little and your stomach feels like its going to BLOW?

Being hungry and/or unsatisfied feels much worse than "overeating a little." And it feels worse than overeating a lot.

But, I've also never been one to find a full belly to be all that of an unpleasant experience. Guilty feelings for overeating is quite unpleasant, though. Feeling bad for doing what feels so good, lol.

yep, I agree.
The constantly hungry feeling is much worse for me than feeling full and content. I've never had the "stomachs going to blow" feeling, even when I go to buffets and can not literally stuff another thing in my gob!

arditarose

Don't get those feels brah, sorry.

Diana_GettingFit

I haven't had any of those issues since I started following MFP. I rarely feel full and so far I haven't had any real hunger pangs. I've learned to listen to what my body's telling me. When I get to the point where I feel satisfied I stop eating.

karlsantiago

WOW---to OP: a lot of responses here sorta attacked you for your post "i don't refeed" ... "i don't diet" ... "yo yo diets don't work" <---- true......but a refeed day is (to some people) an important thing, especially if you are a body builder, for those that are deep into their cuts and i won't call it a diet because a diet is simply the way you eat whether it is over caloric limit or below not just an attempt to lose weight

the reason for a refeed day is to give your body a chance to get carbs back into your system because i know when i am at the peak and end of my cutting phase i feel like a zombie when my carbs are probably at their lowest point..and the day after a refeed day becomes the best workout of all because you are able to feed the muscles what they need, the night of a refeed for me i eat ice cream, not even low fat ice cream just full blown ice cream and the day after i have the best workouts of my life with the best pump

just one thing though i disagree with i wouldn't eat until i am about to blow--refeed days are "controlled" cheat days which actually helps people from committing to yo-yo dieting

T1DCarnivoreRunner

Being hungry all the time is the worst. It takes a lot for me to founder. The last time I ate so much I felt like I couldn't eat anymore (for a few hours anyway), I had about 16,000 calories. Even then, I didn't actually founder; I just couldn't eat any more.

Even more frustrating than being hungry all the time is when being hungry all the time and in a plateau. If I'm hungry all the time, I need to see results. I've gone months with dieting and had no loss to show for it.