Flexible Dieting (IIFYM)
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asflatasapancake wrote: »
So very close.......0 -
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LolBroScience wrote: »
So far were 2 / 3 people. Gonna need a bigger sample....lol.0 -
asflatasapancake wrote: »
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LolBroScience wrote: »
So far were 2 / 3 people. Gonna need a bigger sample....lol.
My understanding is it is something that was developed in the body building circles...but not sure if that is its origins or not....0 -
asflatasapancake wrote: »asflatasapancake wrote: »
Keep it classy asflatasapancake.
I did say I could be mistaken. Perhaps this is one of those times.
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LolBroScience wrote: »
So far were 2 / 3 people. Gonna need a bigger sample....lol.
My understanding is it is something that was developed in the body building circles...but not sure if that is its origins or not....
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LolBroScience wrote: »
So far were 2 / 3 people. Gonna need a bigger sample....lol.
My understanding is it is something that was developed in the body building circles...but not sure if that is its origins or not....
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lemurcat12 wrote: »Personally, I think 'flexible eating' is a much better term for what a lot of people are actually doing on MFP, not IIFYM.
I agree. I think it depends on how focused you are on specific macros.
I'm really quite, uh, flexible on the macros beyond a few broad guidelines, so I call it flexible dieting. ;-)
Exactly this. IIFYM implies you just get the right protein/carb/fat mix and you're good to go. Doesn't address satiety, flexibility of using either carbs or fat as an energy source (and in which situations you should prefer one or the other), or a host of other quality issues that people trying to reach elite levels of fitness are going for.
Flexible dieting is a term that is instantly understandable. It just means chill out and live life, but don't go crazy. Be flexible, but still focus on having some semblance of a diet. If you're a 100% noob and hear someone say "well, if it fits your macros" you are probably going to continue eating a lot of garbage (just less of them) when not all macros are created equal. You may walk around hungry, wondering why it's not working, wondering why it's not sustainable.
If you want to focus on just weight loss, go right ahead and eat a deficit a twinkies every day. It WILL work. You will lose a lot of weight, wear our your pancreas, and have the physique of a 4-year-old.
Weight loss shouldn't be the only goal of anyone health-minded. The number on the scale is not the most important challenge to overcome, anymore than making the most money is the only goal of anyone career-focused.0 -
Not exactly. IIFYM is more so for improvements in body composition. Lose fat and build muscle...TheVirgoddess wrote: »DeeJayShank wrote: »Lotta meatheads in these forums, really pretty suffocating.
To newbies, IIFYM often means eat whatever you want, just fit macros. This is crappy advice. This is my point.
Why is it crappy advice though? IIFYM is for weight loss. To lose weight, you have to eat less than you burn. IIFYM will put you in a deficit and that's what matters. MFP is essentially the same set up. Is that crappy, too?
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DeeJayShank wrote: »DeeJayShank wrote: »martyqueen52 wrote: »DeeJayShank wrote: »Every single day, I first always focus on eating 0.8g protein (or more) per pound of lean body mass (my total weight minus my bodyfat weight)
On rest days, I keep carbs under 50g and eat more fat.
On workout days, I eat very little fat and eat higher carbs.
This is a common bodybuilder methodology.
IIFYM works great if you have >30 pounds to lose. But once you reach sub-12% bodyfat, you will find it challenging to get any leaner unless you focus more intently on what you're eating and when you eat it.
Losing weight via a calorie deficit is definitely possible via IIFYM, but building muscle while staying lean is, speaking frankly, not nearly as simple.
Tell that to Kane Sumabat or Layne Norton...
No reason to. Just sharing my own experience. For me, IIFYM works great when I have plenty of bodyfat to provide me with extra energy. Not the same mental/physical experience when I try to eat candy all day and maintain a deficit at under 12% bodyfat.
What? Again, you're failing to understand IIFYM. No IIFYM'er is advocating eating candy all day....
RULE #1 - FOCUS ON NUTRIENT DENSE FOODS!!!!!!! This will be the 4th time I've had to post this........
You are wrong. Sorry. IIFYM, by it's very definition, says to focus on what fits your macros. YOU are placing your own brand and thoughts on it by saying "focus on nutrient dense foods". That is YOU saying that, not the universe of IIFYM believers.
Recognize the fact that you are adding supplementary conditions to IIFYM. So you cannot simultaneously criticize a plan that focuses on higher-quality food and say that IIFYM is ok as long as you eat nutrient-dense food.
This is an illogical argument.
You clearly have no idea what IIFYM is...
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DeeJayShank wrote: »DeeJayShank wrote: »martyqueen52 wrote: »DeeJayShank wrote: »Every single day, I first always focus on eating 0.8g protein (or more) per pound of lean body mass (my total weight minus my bodyfat weight)
On rest days, I keep carbs under 50g and eat more fat.
On workout days, I eat very little fat and eat higher carbs.
This is a common bodybuilder methodology.
IIFYM works great if you have >30 pounds to lose. But once you reach sub-12% bodyfat, you will find it challenging to get any leaner unless you focus more intently on what you're eating and when you eat it.
Losing weight via a calorie deficit is definitely possible via IIFYM, but building muscle while staying lean is, speaking frankly, not nearly as simple.
Tell that to Kane Sumabat or Layne Norton...
No reason to. Just sharing my own experience. For me, IIFYM works great when I have plenty of bodyfat to provide me with extra energy. Not the same mental/physical experience when I try to eat candy all day and maintain a deficit at under 12% bodyfat.
What? Again, you're failing to understand IIFYM. No IIFYM'er is advocating eating candy all day....
RULE #1 - FOCUS ON NUTRIENT DENSE FOODS!!!!!!! This will be the 4th time I've had to post this........
You are wrong. Sorry. IIFYM, by it's very definition, says to focus on what fits your macros. YOU are placing your own brand and thoughts on it by saying "focus on nutrient dense foods". That is YOU saying that, not the universe of IIFYM believers.
Recognize the fact that you are adding supplementary conditions to IIFYM. So you cannot simultaneously criticize a plan that focuses on higher-quality food and say that IIFYM is ok as long as you eat nutrient-dense food.
This is an illogical argument.
You clearly have no idea what IIFYM is...
Indeed, extremely unaware.
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LolBroScience wrote: »DeeJayShank wrote: »DeeJayShank wrote: »martyqueen52 wrote: »DeeJayShank wrote: »Every single day, I first always focus on eating 0.8g protein (or more) per pound of lean body mass (my total weight minus my bodyfat weight)
On rest days, I keep carbs under 50g and eat more fat.
On workout days, I eat very little fat and eat higher carbs.
This is a common bodybuilder methodology.
IIFYM works great if you have >30 pounds to lose. But once you reach sub-12% bodyfat, you will find it challenging to get any leaner unless you focus more intently on what you're eating and when you eat it.
Losing weight via a calorie deficit is definitely possible via IIFYM, but building muscle while staying lean is, speaking frankly, not nearly as simple.
Tell that to Kane Sumabat or Layne Norton...
No reason to. Just sharing my own experience. For me, IIFYM works great when I have plenty of bodyfat to provide me with extra energy. Not the same mental/physical experience when I try to eat candy all day and maintain a deficit at under 12% bodyfat.
What? Again, you're failing to understand IIFYM. No IIFYM'er is advocating eating candy all day....
RULE #1 - FOCUS ON NUTRIENT DENSE FOODS!!!!!!! This will be the 4th time I've had to post this........
You are wrong. Sorry. IIFYM, by it's very definition, says to focus on what fits your macros. YOU are placing your own brand and thoughts on it by saying "focus on nutrient dense foods". That is YOU saying that, not the universe of IIFYM believers.
Recognize the fact that you are adding supplementary conditions to IIFYM. So you cannot simultaneously criticize a plan that focuses on higher-quality food and say that IIFYM is ok as long as you eat nutrient-dense food.
This is an illogical argument.
You clearly have no idea what IIFYM is...
Indeed, extremely unaware.
All three of us must be wrong and have NO CLUE what were are talking about.........
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LolBroScience wrote: »LolBroScience wrote: »
So far were 2 / 3 people. Gonna need a bigger sample....lol.
My understanding is it is something that was developed in the body building circles...but not sure if that is its origins or not....
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DeeJayShank wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »Personally, I think 'flexible eating' is a much better term for what a lot of people are actually doing on MFP, not IIFYM.
I agree. I think it depends on how focused you are on specific macros.
I'm really quite, uh, flexible on the macros beyond a few broad guidelines, so I call it flexible dieting. ;-)
Exactly this. IIFYM implies you just get the right protein/carb/fat mix and you're good to go. Doesn't address satiety, flexibility of using either carbs or fat as an energy source (and in which situations you should prefer one or the other), or a host of other quality issues that people trying to reach elite levels of fitness are going for.
Flexible dieting is a term that is instantly understandable. It just means chill out and live life, but don't go crazy. Be flexible, but still focus on having some semblance of a diet. If you're a 100% noob and hear someone say "well, if it fits your macros" you are probably going to continue eating a lot of garbage (just less of them) when not all macros are created equal. You may walk around hungry, wondering why it's not working, wondering why it's not sustainable.
If you want to focus on just weight loss, go right ahead and eat a deficit a twinkies every day. It WILL work. You will lose a lot of weight, wear our your pancreas, and have the physique of a 4-year-old.
Weight loss shouldn't be the only goal of anyone health-minded. The number on the scale is not the most important challenge to overcome, anymore than making the most money is the only goal of anyone career-focused.
yea, you are not understanding what IIFYM is and you clearly did not read the link that I provided that said IFFYM is NOT what you are saying.
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If I'd seen your question without seeing the topic, I'd have answered yes, becauase my diet is very flexible. I basically only have 2 rules - don't overeat and eat lots of fiber.
But I don't follow any named diet like IIFYM and I don't track macros.0 -
Gianfranco_R wrote: »I was just wondering how many of you guys practice flexible dieting!
That's an interesting question.
If you check the "popular groups" here on MFP, you will find out there are at least 18,000 clean eaters, 17,000 low carbers, 9,000 vegans/vegetarians, 8,000 primal/paleo, while the IIFYM group has only 1,004 members.
On the other hand, the IIFYM way of eating seems to be quite mainstream on the main forums, and likely that's why they don't need to join a specific group, but it is not clear to me if they represent a majority or simply the most "vocal" minority (in the latter case, the owner of this website should rethink how to run these forums).
I think there are a lot more flexible dieters, that just don't subscribe to that name. There is also a very vocal (and annoying) minority of IIFYM people that give the rest a bad rap.
There might be more people than that, technically a vegan/vegetarian can be IIFYM, I am a pescetarian IIFYM. I just don't eat the factory farmed for personal reasons, but other than that If it fits my macros I eat it, so prob more than a thousand if you count the veggies and vegans.
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Not exactly. IIFYM is more so for improvements in body composition. Lose fat and build muscle...TheVirgoddess wrote: »DeeJayShank wrote: »Lotta meatheads in these forums, really pretty suffocating.
To newbies, IIFYM often means eat whatever you want, just fit macros. This is crappy advice. This is my point.
Why is it crappy advice though? IIFYM is for weight loss. To lose weight, you have to eat less than you burn. IIFYM will put you in a deficit and that's what matters. MFP is essentially the same set up. Is that crappy, too?
So, exactly what I said.
You don't build muscle with your food alone.
If people want to adjust their macros for maximum muscle retention, they certainly can, but it's entirely up to the person applying it.0 -
LolBroScience wrote: »DeeJayShank wrote: »DeeJayShank wrote: »martyqueen52 wrote: »DeeJayShank wrote: »Every single day, I first always focus on eating 0.8g protein (or more) per pound of lean body mass (my total weight minus my bodyfat weight)
On rest days, I keep carbs under 50g and eat more fat.
On workout days, I eat very little fat and eat higher carbs.
This is a common bodybuilder methodology.
IIFYM works great if you have >30 pounds to lose. But once you reach sub-12% bodyfat, you will find it challenging to get any leaner unless you focus more intently on what you're eating and when you eat it.
Losing weight via a calorie deficit is definitely possible via IIFYM, but building muscle while staying lean is, speaking frankly, not nearly as simple.
Tell that to Kane Sumabat or Layne Norton...
No reason to. Just sharing my own experience. For me, IIFYM works great when I have plenty of bodyfat to provide me with extra energy. Not the same mental/physical experience when I try to eat candy all day and maintain a deficit at under 12% bodyfat.
What? Again, you're failing to understand IIFYM. No IIFYM'er is advocating eating candy all day....
RULE #1 - FOCUS ON NUTRIENT DENSE FOODS!!!!!!! This will be the 4th time I've had to post this........
You are wrong. Sorry. IIFYM, by it's very definition, says to focus on what fits your macros. YOU are placing your own brand and thoughts on it by saying "focus on nutrient dense foods". That is YOU saying that, not the universe of IIFYM believers.
Recognize the fact that you are adding supplementary conditions to IIFYM. So you cannot simultaneously criticize a plan that focuses on higher-quality food and say that IIFYM is ok as long as you eat nutrient-dense food.
This is an illogical argument.
You clearly have no idea what IIFYM is...
Indeed, extremely unaware.
All three of us must be wrong and have NO CLUE what were are talking about.........
So, in other words, 'IIFYM' is just as confusing a term as 'clean eating'. I need to start putting it in quote marks too, then!0 -
Agreeing with the above poster. There are days on a given week when I have 2 meals, there are days when I have 5, days when CI is less than my goal and of course there are days when I go over. Macros also varies depending if it is cardio day or lift day. Very flexible depending on my schedule. I can't adhere to anything rigid or restrictive.
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I was just wondering how many of you guys practice flexible dieting!
*Raises Hand* Me, me, I do! I like to call it Flexible Eating though so it's not to be confused with a diet; it seems like many people don't understand the standard term of "diet" as in "eating", not "dieting".
I do count macros most of the time but sometimes I go off grid and guess ; )
IIFYM/Flexible Eating/Dieting in my experience doesn't permit me to eat a lot of junk since I still have a long ways to go and would use up all of my macros in one setting if I were to do that ; ) Of course, I do on occasion and go light the rest of the day and I feel good doing that. I've never been the kind of person that believed in setting some foods as off limits because in my experience it's led me to eventual overeating of said "off limits" food at some point.
I've done just counting calories for the first 6 months of my journey and then several months of IIFYM etc.. and then back to just cal counting and a mix of counting macros and back on it because it gives me the best results and pretty much always keeps me satiated with less cravings- I love it.
I do work out hard though with lifting 4-6 times per week plus doing various forms of cardio afterward via HIIT and LISS mostly.0 -
LyndseyLovesToLift wrote: »
Guess I thought Flexible Dieting meant something else, similar to IIFYM but not so macro-focused. I thought IIFYM meant hit target macros, micros, and calories in that order whereas FD meant a mix of the three with no stress on hitting macros/micros.
Well, now I know why I never get invited to the IIFYM and FD parties.
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LolBroScience wrote: »DeeJayShank wrote: »DeeJayShank wrote: »martyqueen52 wrote: »DeeJayShank wrote: »Every single day, I first always focus on eating 0.8g protein (or more) per pound of lean body mass (my total weight minus my bodyfat weight)
On rest days, I keep carbs under 50g and eat more fat.
On workout days, I eat very little fat and eat higher carbs.
This is a common bodybuilder methodology.
IIFYM works great if you have >30 pounds to lose. But once you reach sub-12% bodyfat, you will find it challenging to get any leaner unless you focus more intently on what you're eating and when you eat it.
Losing weight via a calorie deficit is definitely possible via IIFYM, but building muscle while staying lean is, speaking frankly, not nearly as simple.
Tell that to Kane Sumabat or Layne Norton...
No reason to. Just sharing my own experience. For me, IIFYM works great when I have plenty of bodyfat to provide me with extra energy. Not the same mental/physical experience when I try to eat candy all day and maintain a deficit at under 12% bodyfat.
What? Again, you're failing to understand IIFYM. No IIFYM'er is advocating eating candy all day....
RULE #1 - FOCUS ON NUTRIENT DENSE FOODS!!!!!!! This will be the 4th time I've had to post this........
You are wrong. Sorry. IIFYM, by it's very definition, says to focus on what fits your macros. YOU are placing your own brand and thoughts on it by saying "focus on nutrient dense foods". That is YOU saying that, not the universe of IIFYM believers.
Recognize the fact that you are adding supplementary conditions to IIFYM. So you cannot simultaneously criticize a plan that focuses on higher-quality food and say that IIFYM is ok as long as you eat nutrient-dense food.
This is an illogical argument.
You clearly have no idea what IIFYM is...
Indeed, extremely unaware.
All three of us must be wrong and have NO CLUE what were are talking about.........
So, in other words, 'IIFYM' is just as confusing a term as 'clean eating'. I need to start putting it in quote marks too, then!
Nope. "Clean" labels food good vs. bad. IIFYM is a principle which can be applied to your overall diet.0 -
LolBroScience wrote: »DeeJayShank wrote: »DeeJayShank wrote: »martyqueen52 wrote: »DeeJayShank wrote: »Every single day, I first always focus on eating 0.8g protein (or more) per pound of lean body mass (my total weight minus my bodyfat weight)
On rest days, I keep carbs under 50g and eat more fat.
On workout days, I eat very little fat and eat higher carbs.
This is a common bodybuilder methodology.
IIFYM works great if you have >30 pounds to lose. But once you reach sub-12% bodyfat, you will find it challenging to get any leaner unless you focus more intently on what you're eating and when you eat it.
Losing weight via a calorie deficit is definitely possible via IIFYM, but building muscle while staying lean is, speaking frankly, not nearly as simple.
Tell that to Kane Sumabat or Layne Norton...
No reason to. Just sharing my own experience. For me, IIFYM works great when I have plenty of bodyfat to provide me with extra energy. Not the same mental/physical experience when I try to eat candy all day and maintain a deficit at under 12% bodyfat.
What? Again, you're failing to understand IIFYM. No IIFYM'er is advocating eating candy all day....
RULE #1 - FOCUS ON NUTRIENT DENSE FOODS!!!!!!! This will be the 4th time I've had to post this........
You are wrong. Sorry. IIFYM, by it's very definition, says to focus on what fits your macros. YOU are placing your own brand and thoughts on it by saying "focus on nutrient dense foods". That is YOU saying that, not the universe of IIFYM believers.
Recognize the fact that you are adding supplementary conditions to IIFYM. So you cannot simultaneously criticize a plan that focuses on higher-quality food and say that IIFYM is ok as long as you eat nutrient-dense food.
This is an illogical argument.
You clearly have no idea what IIFYM is...
Indeed, extremely unaware.
All three of us must be wrong and have NO CLUE what were are talking about.........
So, in other words, 'IIFYM' is just as confusing a term as 'clean eating'. I need to start putting it in quote marks too, then!
Nope. "Clean" labels food good vs. bad. IIFYM is a principle which can be applied to your overall diet.
Right, but if you look, there seems to be variance of what people think IIFYM means.0
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