Eat what you want but stick to the calories?
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When that is said, I'd rather eat 100grams of oats, than eat a snickersbar and still feel hungry.
I ate lots of food including some chocolate on Friday and didn't feel hungry at all. I do this most days (some which involve oats too, although I don't find oats especially filling, I just like them). Does anyone really find that eating chocolate or not is the deciding factor as to whether they are hungry or not? I mean, I guess at 1200 calories, but even then I think you can fit in a little chocolate if you like it and just do a better job eating more vegetables and protein and whatever else you find filling in the rest of your diet.
Thus, as mentioned above, I think this whole discussion about the effect of a treat to be rather beside the point. Eat a good overall diet -- including some sweets if you like them -- and you should be fine, both from a health and hunger standpoint. It's NOT all or nothing.
(As an aside, I'm a chocolate snob, so wouldn't choose snickers, but my memory from back when I ate them is that they were actually pretty filling for candy--likely the peanuts.)0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »When that is said, I'd rather eat 100grams of oats, than eat a snickersbar and still feel hungry.
I ate lots of food including some chocolate on Friday and didn't feel hungry at all. I do this most days (some which involve oats too, although I don't find oats especially filling, I just like them). Does anyone really find that eating chocolate or not is the deciding factor as to whether they are hungry or not? I mean, I guess at 1200 calories, but even then I think you can fit in a little chocolate if you like it and just do a better job eating more vegetables and protein and whatever else you find filling in the rest of your diet.
Thus, as mentioned above, I think this whole discussion about the effect of a treat to be rather beside the point. Eat a good overall diet -- including some sweets if you like them -- and you should be fine, both from a health and hunger standpoint. It's NOT all or nothing.
(As an aside, I'm a chocolate snob, so wouldn't choose snickers, but my memory from back when I ate them is that they were actually pretty filling for candy--likely the peanuts.)
The point was eat whatever the *kitten* you want to eat as long as it fits your macros.0 -
I wasn't suggesting the OP eat a bunch of crap, just making the point that you could do that and still lose weight.
The OP didn't ask, "How can I have the most healthy diet possible?" OP asked if they could eat chocolate and still lose weight. Of course they can.0 -
Yikes you people take all wrong all the time no one said "living on that stuff"
fine i will stop replying here such defensiveness0 -
Sugar spikes in someone that hasn't got diabetes isn't that extreme. When at uni in my endocrinology module i had to participate in an experiment where we took fasting blood sugar levels and then again after consuming pure glucose.
My levels only only went from 4mmol to about 6mmol (which are both well within the normal) and then went back down again, you have to trust your body to control the glucose levels.
So just have that magnum ice cream and enjoy it (just don't have the full pack lol!)0 -
I wasn't suggesting the OP eat a bunch of crap, just making the point that you could do that and still lose weight.
The OP didn't ask, "How can I have the most healthy diet possible?" OP asked if they could eat chocolate and still lose weight. Of course they can.Katzedernacht wrote: »Yikes you people take all wrong all the time no one said "living on that stuff"
fine i will stop replying here such defensiveness
The person who did say that was quoted. How do you figure they were talking about your posts?
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/comment/33417765/#Comment_334177650 -
kkorzeniowska wrote: »I just wonder is that really truth? What about the insulin levels and how it spikes after high in sugar snacks? It's one of the reasons why body stores fat. Can I really have a chocolate bar with no consequences as long as I will stick to the calories and macros?
I'm not an expert, but this is how I understand it:
Insulin will spike in response to high sugar snacks but the spike in a healthy person is a good rise. Insulin must clear your blood of the excess glucose. Insulin will raise and peak at about one hour past the snack and then fall. When it is on the rise it does put the brakes on fat burning and focus on getting the glucose into your cells, and once they are full it will start fat storage until the blood is back to a good sugar level.
So technically speaking, if that chocolate bar was not an excess of calories, you won't make fat, you'll just stall for a very short time on fat burning. It's not a big amount. Granted if you ate a steak instead of a sweet, your fat burning wouldn't stall quite as much because the insulin levels would not go as high, but even a steak will raise insulin levels a bit.
Plus you always have insulin in your body at all times to get glucose into your cells. It isn't all or nothing with insulin, just higher and lower levels.
It's the T2 diabetic who will have the massive spike of insulin because they are insulin resistant. Their body needs to make WAY more insulin to get the same job done. As a prediabetic, I would avoid the chocolate bar. As a healthy person, it's not a medical issue, just a personal choice.
It is thought that eating high levels of added sugars is one of the factors that can lead to T2 diabetes though. If your sugars are higher than average (or even average for North America), I wouldn't have that chocolate bar too often... but you probably already know that.
Best wishes.0 -
nvsmomketo wrote: »So technically speaking, if that chocolate bar was not an excess of calories, you won't make fat, you'll just stall for a very short time on fat burning. It's not a big amount. Granted if you ate a steak instead of a sweet, your fat burning wouldn't stall quite as much because the insulin levels would not go as high, but even a steak will raise insulin levels a bit.
But another point is that you are using energy from some source to fuel your body all the time. It doesn't make much difference whether it's fat at a certain point in time or not. This is similar to the misunderstanding that some have about exercise and the "fat burning zone." You aren't going to lose more weight staying in the fat burning zone and exercising for fewer calories, since you use the calories/fuel you use, and will end up burning more fat over the course of the day, just at later times.
For the same reason the fat burning benefit of exercising fasted seems to even out through the course of the day no matter when you exercise.
Your body can't run on nothing, so if calories are equal the total net fat that gets burned over the course of the day should be equal (assuming you are in a deficit).0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »nvsmomketo wrote: »So technically speaking, if that chocolate bar was not an excess of calories, you won't make fat, you'll just stall for a very short time on fat burning. It's not a big amount. Granted if you ate a steak instead of a sweet, your fat burning wouldn't stall quite as much because the insulin levels would not go as high, but even a steak will raise insulin levels a bit.
But another point is that you are using energy from some source to fuel your body all the time. It doesn't make much difference whether it's fat at a certain point in time or not.
That's true. When the candy bar is eaten you'll be running on glucose for a while, which is what many people are using as fuel most of the time anyways. People living on a calorie deficit, or those eating low carb, will be using fat for fuel more frequently. If you are eating at a deficit, or low carb, the candy bar may switch you out of fat burning mode and use that glucose instead, which can be helpful for athletic performance if you are active at that time.0 -
kkorzeniowska wrote: »I just wonder is that really truth? What about the insulin levels and how it spikes after high in sugar snacks?
None of that matters if you're in a caloric deficit.
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Katzedernacht wrote: »Yikes you people take all wrong all the time no one said "living on that stuff"
fine i will stop replying here such defensiveness
Don't worry OP. You had a clearly articulated question in your original post. It was evident to the vast majority of the people here that you were asking about the impact of one small treat in the context of an overall nutrient dense diet. The correct answer is that you absolutely can continue to eat things like chocolate in moderation and either still lose weight or be successful at recomp, really whatever your goal may be the chocolate will not hinder you.
However some people love to point out the straw man argument that one could eat nothing but (insert "junk food" of choice) stay under their calorie goal and still lose weight, implying that someone in this thread or others actually suggested that you do that.
Don't worry about it. Continue to enjoy your nutrient dense foods, work in treats when you can, meet all your fitness goals, be happy... Welcome to moderation.0 -
If you're counting me as "some people", that was inferred on your end, but not implied on mine. I wasn't arguing. I wasn't implying anything. I was just being very clear about the fact that you can eat those things and still lose weight.WinoGelato wrote: »Katzedernacht wrote: »Yikes you people take all wrong all the time no one said "living on that stuff"
fine i will stop replying here such defensiveness
Don't worry OP. You had a clearly articulated question in your original post. It was evident to the vast majority of the people here that you were asking about the impact of one small treat in the context of an overall nutrient dense diet. The correct answer is that you absolutely can continue to eat things like chocolate in moderation and either still lose weight or be successful at recomp, really whatever your goal may be the chocolate will not hinder you.
However some people love to point out the straw man argument that one could eat nothing but (insert "junk food" of choice) stay under their calorie goal and still lose weight, implying that someone in this thread or others actually suggested that you do that.
Don't worry about it. Continue to enjoy your nutrient dense foods, work in treats when you can, meet all your fitness goals, be happy... Welcome to moderation.
I just want to be very clear. If you weren't counting me, that's cool. I still want to be clear.
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WinoGelato wrote: »Katzedernacht wrote: »Yikes you people take all wrong all the time no one said "living on that stuff"
fine i will stop replying here such defensiveness
Don't worry OP. You had a clearly articulated question in your original post. It was evident to the vast majority of the people here that you were asking about the impact of one small treat in the context of an overall nutrient dense diet. The correct answer is that you absolutely can continue to eat things like chocolate in moderation and either still lose weight or be successful at recomp, really whatever your goal may be the chocolate will not hinder you.
However some people love to point out the straw man argument that one could eat nothing but (insert "junk food" of choice) stay under their calorie goal and still lose weight, implying that someone in this thread or others actually suggested that you do that.
Don't worry about it. Continue to enjoy your nutrient dense foods, work in treats when you can, meet all your fitness goals, be happy... Welcome to moderation.
I actually misread the post and thought I was quoting OP not another commenter in the thread. My comments still stand that asking about eating a chocolate bar in the context of an overall nutrient dense diet is not the same as asking if you can eat whatever you want and still lose weight as long as you are under your calories (which you can, for the record) and does not warrant people bringing up diets made entirely of Ho Hos or Doritos.0 -
If you're upset, I can't help that. But this implied insult is a figment of your imagination.WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Katzedernacht wrote: »Yikes you people take all wrong all the time no one said "living on that stuff"
fine i will stop replying here such defensiveness
Don't worry OP. You had a clearly articulated question in your original post. It was evident to the vast majority of the people here that you were asking about the impact of one small treat in the context of an overall nutrient dense diet. The correct answer is that you absolutely can continue to eat things like chocolate in moderation and either still lose weight or be successful at recomp, really whatever your goal may be the chocolate will not hinder you.
However some people love to point out the straw man argument that one could eat nothing but (insert "junk food" of choice) stay under their calorie goal and still lose weight, implying that someone in this thread or others actually suggested that you do that.
Don't worry about it. Continue to enjoy your nutrient dense foods, work in treats when you can, meet all your fitness goals, be happy... Welcome to moderation.
I actually misread the post and thought I was quoting OP not another commenter in the thread. My comments still stand that asking about eating a chocolate bar in the context of an overall nutrient dense diet is not the same as asking if you can eat whatever you want and still lose weight as long as you are under your calories (which you can, for the record) and does not warrant people bringing up diets made entirely of Ho Hos or Doritos.
There was no insult implied. There wasn't even a thought of an insult there.
The post had nothing to do with anyone other than the OP.
If you continue to think there was an implied insult, there's no more I can do about that, so I'll just leave it be. But it didn't exist.0 -
Short answer
Yes
Have a few things you like and enjoy the journey to a fit body
If this gets to obsessive and difficult people quit
And there is really no reason for it to be that way0 -
If you're upset, I can't help that. But this implied insult is a figment of your imagination.WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Katzedernacht wrote: »Yikes you people take all wrong all the time no one said "living on that stuff"
fine i will stop replying here such defensiveness
Don't worry OP. You had a clearly articulated question in your original post. It was evident to the vast majority of the people here that you were asking about the impact of one small treat in the context of an overall nutrient dense diet. The correct answer is that you absolutely can continue to eat things like chocolate in moderation and either still lose weight or be successful at recomp, really whatever your goal may be the chocolate will not hinder you.
However some people love to point out the straw man argument that one could eat nothing but (insert "junk food" of choice) stay under their calorie goal and still lose weight, implying that someone in this thread or others actually suggested that you do that.
Don't worry about it. Continue to enjoy your nutrient dense foods, work in treats when you can, meet all your fitness goals, be happy... Welcome to moderation.
I actually misread the post and thought I was quoting OP not another commenter in the thread. My comments still stand that asking about eating a chocolate bar in the context of an overall nutrient dense diet is not the same as asking if you can eat whatever you want and still lose weight as long as you are under your calories (which you can, for the record) and does not warrant people bringing up diets made entirely of Ho Hos or Doritos.
There was no insult implied. There wasn't even a thought of an insult there.
The post had nothing to do with anyone other than the OP.
If you continue to think there was an implied insult, there's no more I can do about that, so I'll just leave it be. But it didn't exist.
Doll, you're not the center of the universe. I posted a link a few posts above clarifying which post referenced living on ho ho's and ding dongs
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Last weekend I ate not one but TWO entire pizzas over the course of 4 days. Admittedly I was at a martial arts seminar all weekend and was burning a LOT of calories. This weekend I am down a pound.
Yes it is true that you can eat whatever you want as long as it is within your calorie goal and you will lose weight. Now you might gain at first, if you eat like I did last weekend because all of that salt and hard exercise is going to make you retain water. But if you drink plenty of water to flush it back out the numbers will soon go back down.
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WinoGelato wrote: »WinoGelato wrote: »Katzedernacht wrote: »Yikes you people take all wrong all the time no one said "living on that stuff"
fine i will stop replying here such defensiveness
Don't worry OP. You had a clearly articulated question in your original post. It was evident to the vast majority of the people here that you were asking about the impact of one small treat in the context of an overall nutrient dense diet. The correct answer is that you absolutely can continue to eat things like chocolate in moderation and either still lose weight or be successful at recomp, really whatever your goal may be the chocolate will not hinder you.
However some people love to point out the straw man argument that one could eat nothing but (insert "junk food" of choice) stay under their calorie goal and still lose weight, implying that someone in this thread or others actually suggested that you do that.
Don't worry about it. Continue to enjoy your nutrient dense foods, work in treats when you can, meet all your fitness goals, be happy... Welcome to moderation.
I actually misread the post and thought I was quoting OP not another commenter in the thread. My comments still stand that asking about eating a chocolate bar in the context of an overall nutrient dense diet is not the same as asking if you can eat whatever you want and still lose weight as long as you are under your calories (which you can, for the record) and does not warrant people bringing up diets made entirely of Ho Hos or Doritos.
I'm not sure why some people feel the need to interject that silly argument, especially when the OP is specifically about working in a small treat here or there and not, in fact, asking whether it is okay to eat Doritos and McDonald's all day long. I mean, anyone who understands basic weight loss concepts knows you can actually do that and still lose weight, but why would that even come up in a conversation about moderation. Like, why even bring it up, right?0 -
Thanks guys for all replies,i didn't suppose my little topic will be so popular and we will have even a little argument in here
but after all your posts I decided to include some naughty sugar into my diet, I think it will stop my crazy cravings too and will let me calmly walk past the shelves stocked with chocolate bars in the shops lol
Once or twice a week little treat won't do any harm I suppose. But yes, I'll still stick to the macros to maintain my current weight.
Once again,many thanks xx0 -
It's all about budgeting and pre-planning. I make sure I budget for enough calories to have a beer or select adult beverage along with some good chocolate or ice cream.
Looks like you've gotten some sound advice here for the most part, but just think long term. If you go over one day, simply adjust accordingly for the next day. Either eat less or move more - your choice.0 -
I always plan my meals day before and try to stick to the macros. But I'll try to include some sweetness in there. I find it a bit difficult because I like to have quite big breakfast and lunch. My snacks are pretty filling too, and i love fruits so I have to cut here and there a bit to be able to fit that piece (or two) of chocolate 0
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I sometimes include a small bag of Reeses Pieces as a pre-workout. 0
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SaffronSunrise wrote: »I sometimes include a small bag of Reeses Pieces as a pre-workout.
The BF loves sour patch kids before a run or boot camp class! It's like a perk for working out0
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