Low Carb

dyeanne60

Anyone eating a lower carb higher protein lifestyle?

thetruekim47

I would like to know if combine calorie counting with low carb will I lose faster

galgenstrick

thetruekim47 wrote: »

I would like to know if combine calorie counting with low carb will I lose faster

It will not. Low carb is a fad. You just need to be in a caloric deficit to lose weight.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/

nvmomketo

In the short term you may lose weight faster on a low carb high fat diet and eating at a deficit than f you just ate at a deficit. After a year the losses mostly even out.

galgenstrick wrote: »

thetruekim47 wrote: »

I would like to know if combine calorie counting with low carb will I lose faster

It will not. Low carb is a fad. You just need to be in a caloric deficit to lose weight.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/

No, it is not a fad. It is a way of eating. And you are incorrect, combining LCHF with a calorie deficit does usually cause faster weight loss. It is not by a huge amount, but it is faster.

galgenstrick

And you're going to make a that claim without providing evidence? It boils down to the first law of thermodynamics, anything else is a second order effect and well within the noise.

nvmomketo

galgenstrick wrote: »

And you're going to make a that claim without providing evidence? It boils down to the first law of thermodynamics, anything else is a second order effect and well within the noise.

http://authoritynutrition.com/23-studies-on-low-carb-and-low-fat-diets/

It appears that the low carb diets do not raise insulin as much as regular diets, and since insulin assists in at storage, it makes sense that low carb works well. It is best suited for those with insulin resistance but works for others too.

Yes a calorie deficit is needed for weight loss though.

galgenstrick

Your statement doesn't mean that you'll lose fat faster. If your insulin is lower then you'll burn more energy from your fat stores, but energy is still conserved! So two identical people, one on a LCHF diet, and one on a LFHC diet, eating the same amount of calories will lose the same amount of weight. The other second order effect that comes into play is the thermic effect of food. Fat is much more easily stored as body fat than carbs or protein. So in fact, I would argue that eating a high fat diet would make you lose fat slower considering that alters the energy in side of the CICO equation.

KittensMaster

Low Carb is one of a few choices.

It works fine.

And like any other diet choice you can't over eat. There is no eat all you want diet.

Some respond better to low carb than others. I can run fine and do endurance length exercises at cardio level eating moderate carb.

At the gym I often see hard gainer types eating tons of food, drinking mass gainer shakes and they struggle to add muscle.

There are people like me that add muscle pretty easily but losing fat is the challenge.

For me lower carb, limited calories, and cardio... That gets me into 33 waist jeans.

Give a variet of diets a fair shot and see what works best for you.

nvmomketo

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galgenstrick wrote: »

Your statement doesn't mean that you'll lose fat faster. If your insulin is lower then you'll burn more energy from your fat stores, but energy is still conserved! So two identical people, one on a LCHF diet, and one on a LFHC diet, eating the same amount of calories will lose the same amount of weight. The other second order effect that comes into play is the thermic effect of food. Fat is much more easily stored as body fat than carbs or protein. So in fact, I would argue that eating a high fat diet would make you lose fat slower considering that alters the energy in side of the CICO equation.

Yeah..... no. Believe what you will.

Best wishes.

galgenstrick

nvsmomketo wrote: »

Yeah... no. Believe what you will.

Best wishes.

BTW, your studies show a body weight decrease which makes sense due to water loss. Says nothing about fat loss. Secondly, most of the studies didn't have calories controlled in both groups. Thirdly, the several studies say that the groups didn't stick to their diets towards the end of the study. These studies don't prove anything...

yarwell

galgenstrick wrote: »

And you're going to make a that claim without providing evidence? It boils down to the first law of thermodynamics, anything else is a second order effect and well within the noise.

I would be more interested in a metabolic / hormonal / substrate utilisation view to be honest. As a Chemical Engineer I know an energy and mass balance will always hold true, but it appears to me that many of the outputs are variables and at least some of them are influenced by the composition and quantity of the inputs.

Having calories controlled on a low carb diet study is stupid, you neutralise one of the key advantages ie subjects voluntarily eat less. If you're married to the calorie hypothesis it should be trivial to express the fat loss per unit deficit rather than using it as a straw man to ignore the evidence that you don't like.

yarwell

galgenstrick wrote: »

BTW, your studies show a body weight decrease which makes sense due to water loss. Says nothing about fat loss. Secondly, most of the studies didn't have calories controlled in both groups. Thirdly, the several studies say that the groups didn't stick to their diets towards the end of the study. These studies don't prove anything...

funny how they all find low carb to be either better or the same in terms of weight loss.

Where's the study showing fat loss in an isocaloric comparison of <20% E from carbs vs whatever alternative / control with high compliance throughout so we can see the other side of the argument.

Pawsforme

After 25 years of maintaining a 60+ pound weight loss on a high carb, low fat diet I converted to eating in a lower carb way. It really works for me. Not so much for weight loss (menopause and hypothyroidism are making that a real challenge) but in the way I feel. My gastrointestinal tract is mostly happy after years of almost constant turmoil. I don't have cravings or get crazy hungry like I used to, which certainly make it easier to control my intake. So it works fairly well for me, and since I have a very strong family history of diabetes I believe it's a sensible way for me to eat. That doesn't mean it works well for everyone, and I don't think it's any kind of magic bullet for weight loss.

lodro

galgenstrick wrote: »

thetruekim47 wrote: »

I would like to know if combine calorie counting with low carb will I lose faster

It will not. Low carb is a fad. You just need to be in a caloric deficit to lose weight.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/

It's not a fad if you're insulin resistant. Because if you are, you need to go very low calorie to restrict your carbohydrates enough to prevent insulin spikes. I learned this the hard way. Everyone's metabolism is different.

lodro

galgenstrick wrote: »

Your statement doesn't mean that you'll lose fat faster. If your insulin is lower then you'll burn more energy from your fat stores, but energy is still conserved! So two identical people, one on a LCHF diet, and one on a LFHC diet, eating the same amount of calories will lose the same amount of weight. The other second order effect that comes into play is the thermic effect of food. Fat is much more easily stored as body fat than carbs or protein. So in fact, I would argue that eating a high fat diet would make you lose fat slower considering that alters the energy in side of the CICO equation.

Nope. All wrong assumptions, because you leave out one factor: insulin.

Sean_TheITGuy

While there's no eat all you want and lose weight diet, low carb high fat comes close for many people. LCHF doesn't mean you can eat 4000 calories and lose weight, but I know that I can eat all I want, because I often find myself taking a slug of heavy cream late at night just to even come close to my daily recommended calories. Eating lots of fat and little carbs leads to much higher satiety. I can eat 200 calories worth of old cheddar and feel satisfied a lot longer than if I'd eaten a little bag of candy or a chunk of bread worth 200 calories.

bringon30

OP, I eat lower carb, higher fat. Do you have questions or are you looking for friends doing the same?

GeddesFit

I eat low carb just because I choose to. As long as the weight comes off I don't really care.

Sean_TheITGuy

GeddesFit wrote: »

I eat low carb just because I choose to. As long as the weight comes off I don't really care.

hear hear. Evidence is truth, and if it works for you, it's true for you. There's a pile of studies that show eating LCHF doesn't increase blood cholesterol levels or pose risk to heart health or anything else. If it works for people, I don't get why people who don't do it get so worked up over those who do.

salenaii

I'm doing low carb and calorie counting it's a little harder but I lost 2 pounds in5 days it's a start I feel great :)we will see in 2 weeks

Sabine_Stroehm

galgenstrick wrote: »

thetruekim47 wrote: »

I would like to know if combine calorie counting with low carb will I lose faster

It will not. Low carb is a fad. You just need to be in a caloric deficit to lose weight.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/

It's not a fad. That's just silly.

Sean_TheITGuy

galgenstrick wrote: »

thetruekim47 wrote: »

I would like to know if combine calorie counting with low carb will I lose faster

It will not. Low carb is a fad. You just need to be in a caloric deficit to lose weight.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/

While your second statement is true, it's a lot easier to be in a caloric deficit if you're not crashing your blood sugar from a carb heavy diet all the time. Fat and protein are a lot more even release energy sources, while carbs are gasoline thrown on a campfire. All woosh and fireball and then gone, leaving you jonesing for your next hit.

kshama2001

Sean_TheITGuy wrote: »

galgenstrick wrote: »

thetruekim47 wrote: »

I would like to know if combine calorie counting with low carb will I lose faster

It will not. Low carb is a fad. You just need to be in a caloric deficit to lose weight.

http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/08/twinkie.diet.professor/

While your second statement is true, it's a lot easier to be in a caloric deficit if you're not crashing your blood sugar from a carb heavy diet all the time. Fat and protein are a lot more even release energy sources, while carbs are gasoline thrown on a campfire. All woosh and fireball and then gone, leaving you jonesing for your next hit.

Amen. This was me yesterday, after making some unwise choices due to feeling sorry for myself after being at the dentist.

umayster

galgenstrick wrote: »

nvsmomketo wrote: »

Yeah... no. Believe what you will.

Best wishes.

BTW, your studies show a body weight decrease which makes sense due to water loss. Says nothing about fat loss. Secondly, most of the studies didn't have calories controlled in both groups. Thirdly, the several studies say that the groups didn't stick to their diets towards the end of the study. These studies don't prove anything...

This brings up another benefit of low carb diets, the diet naturally reduces salt and watér retention which helps with blood pressure levels and edema!

Got high blood pressure and feel all puffy? Carb levels may be something to investigate to help solve these.

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cassiek0lba

Don't call it a fad. It may be a fad for some people...however you are forgetting that doctors recommend this way of eating for those who are insulin resistant and those who have PCOS like myself. And it really helps those people. The rudeness on this board is aggravating.

RockstarWilson

It has been said a lot, but a low carb way of eating is far from a fad. If you think that, you might as well say that the Mayo Clinic is a fad, or the Inuit culture is a fad.

Fad diets don't help people rid themselves of diseases that are almost directly caused from having too much of what they are eliminating. Fad diets don't get people off medication. Fad diets do not reflect what our ancestors ate because they had to.

There are plenty of fads out there. Low carb is not one of them. Just ask someone fighting diabetes. Just ask someone dealing with hypothyroidism, or PCOS, or even seizures.

Yes, CICO is law; nothing defies that, to the best of our knowledge. This diet is a tool for weight loss. But it has a ton of residual health effects that come, in part, directly from the nutrients in the diet. Everybody is different. But a fad runs out. This way of eating has been around for many centuries.

robertf57

Proposing isocaloric comparisons as validation of a diet is just silly. That's not the real world state. Everyone will lose weight if we strictly control calories to the proper level. The touted benefit to low carbohydrate diets is really about satiety and the ability of many dieters to maintain a caloric deficit while on a low carb diet. (Particularly insulin resistant dieters)

In the end do what works for you and forget about the opinions of people on the internet. If you feel wearing a grass skirt helps you control your eating during dinner, Hula away!

Shells918

I am on a very low carb diet. I track my calories because it makes me feel better. But the low-carb called diet has been working for me and I've lost 17 pounds in the last few months. My doctor is who put me on this type of diet because I am prediabetic and a low calorie diet will not work for someone who has high insulin levels. I don't think that this is a fad and it gets easier to do every day. The hardest part for me is giving up fruit, but they are teaching me at this office how to eat, and different things to use as substitutions. If you choose to go on a low-carb diet I wish you luck and much success.

rwhyte12

I've lost 21 pounds in five weeks changing the composition of my diet. I eat around 100 grams of carbs, 50 to 60 grams of fat, low sugar (nothing refined) and 80 to 100 grams of protein. Before that, I was just eating 1200 calories a day and gaining weight. It's nice to see it all go as I was exercising and eating a calorie restricted diet but the composition of my previous diet (too high in carbs, too low in good fats and protein) was really not that great for my weight. Good luck. Try to see how your body feels as you change around the composition of your diet.

ogmomma2012

I feel more satisfied with LCHF. Some people do better with more carbs, some people do better with more fat and less carbs. Whatever helps you stay full, satisfied, and sticking to your goals.