Consuming 5K Calories for 6 weeks
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Came across this article.....
Gives me something to think about and maybe try a different approach.
The only thing I can think though is damn, those joints will hurt after a while.
https://www.muscleandstrength.com/articles/gain-35lbs-in-6-weeks-naturally
Gives me something to think about and maybe try a different approach.
The only thing I can think though is damn, those joints will hurt after a while.
https://www.muscleandstrength.com/articles/gain-35lbs-in-6-weeks-naturally
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Cool article. 800 grams of carbs! Wow! I am recomping and enjoying cycling calories myself, but have a hard enough time getting to 450 Carbs in one day. lol Twice a day workouts too. Does seem that he needs to cut now? How old is he too? 170lbs he must have been younger. Thanks for sharing.0
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Damn he looks good.
No way I will ever in my life try that. For the food alone. I'd be sick from day one and unable to continue.
Thinking about it already freaks me out.
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mattyc772014 wrote: »Cool article. 800 grams of carbs! Wow! I am recomping and enjoying cycling calories myself, but have a hard enough time getting to 450 Carbs in one day. lol Twice a day workouts too. Does seem that he needs to cut now? How old is he too? 170lbs he must have been younger. Thanks for sharing.
Yeah, I start reaching my fill around 3500 calories, I don't know how I could pack in another 1500 consistently.
If I were in his shoes, I would do a cut, but that's me.
I was wondering his age as well, they didn't supply it, so I guess I need to google it.
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mattyc772014 wrote: »Cool article. 800 grams of carbs! Wow! I am recomping and enjoying cycling calories myself, but have a hard enough time getting to 450 Carbs in one day. lol Twice a day workouts too. Does seem that he needs to cut now? How old is he too? 170lbs he must have been younger. Thanks for sharing.
Yeah, I start reaching my fill around 3500 calories, I don't know how I could pack in another 1500 consistently.
If I were in his shoes, I would do a cut, but that's me.
I was wondering his age as well, they didn't supply it, so I guess I need to google it.
Googled it too. Could not find it.0 -
Keep it up bro! It's a challenge I'm doing 6 to 7k a day, and it takes everything I got to eat that much.0
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devildogheath wrote: »Keep it up bro! It's a challenge I'm doing 6 to 7k a day, and it takes everything I got to eat that much.
Wow. Better man than I. Good luck0 -
I need about 4,000 calories a day to maintain.. So i aim for 4,250-4,500. Its not easy with clean calories but you can do it!! Eat big to get big!! (In a good way haha). 5,000 is do able.0
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neversummer589 wrote: »I need about 4,000 calories a day to maintain.. So i aim for 4,250-4,500. Its not easy with clean calories but you can do it!! Eat big to get big!! (In a good way haha). 5,000 is do able.
I see you guys talking about maintaining on 3000/4000 calories and it just makes me want to cry haha
I freak out if I eat at around 3000 even though I think that's probably around what I need? Lately I've been having a non end constant hunger and my doctor said it might be due to the training + T therapy.
But I digress - that is a LOT of food and SO much training! I train about an hour 3/4 times a week and I find that a lot! Currently doing 5x5 and adding exercises here and there...did some lunges today, pull downs and push ups.
I feel SO tired, got home and ate the world XD
Let's get them muscles, yes!
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Obviously lots of muscle memory for this guy, but the others who did the program also had great results. Might give this a spin on my next bulk since it will be a long time between bulks for me. I had good results from really high-carb, low-fat bulks when I was younger. The really hard part about this is finding the time for all that lifting and all that eating and all that sleeping...0
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Obviously lots of muscle memory for this guy, but the others who did the program also had great results. Might give this a spin on my next bulk since it will be a long time between bulks for me. I had good results from really high-carb, low-fat bulks when I was younger. The really hard part about this is finding the time for all that lifting and all that eating and all that sleeping...
HAHA telll me about it! My biggest struggle is finding so much time to work out, eat and sleep! Sometimes it feels like dedicating a LOT and missing out on other factors (socialising and film/gaming time!)
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Currently shooting for 5k a day myself too. Right now I'm averaging 4100 but working on it. You will get used to it bit by bit.0
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Obviously lots of muscle memory for this guy, but the others who did the program also had great results. Might give this a spin on my next bulk since it will be a long time between bulks for me. I had good results from really high-carb, low-fat bulks when I was younger. The really hard part about this is finding the time for all that lifting and all that eating and all that sleeping...
If you do try this, or something based on this, start a thread and keep us updated. I would be very interested in following your progress.0 -
Came across this study....so lends some credibility to what the guy in the article I posted did.
http://suppversity.blogspot.com/2012/03/if-you-go-high-carb-you-better-go.html
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Very interesting.
I believe it definitely has validity to it. Especially the power of belief in front of the hard work, along with the calories, and sleep etc...
It wasn't long ago I was benching & wondering why I was struggling getting up the weight. Then I realized I busted up a PR for volume by 20lb heavier than my last PR at the same rep range. I just thought I was having a chity day, until I started reracking the weights.
Time is obviously a huge factor, along with the grocery bill.0 -
4.5-5k/day here too. Actually tested my self to see how much food i consume in 1 day. Little over 6200. So tough. Was watching competitive eating vids on youtube to amp me up lol.0
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4.5-5k/day here too. Actually tested my self to see how much food i consume in 1 day. Little over 6200. So tough. Was watching competitive eating vids on youtube to amp me up lol.
How many days in a row can you keep up that consumption?
That has been the big hindrance for me.
I can keep up about 2 - 3 days of consuming ~3500, but then after that I just have no appetite for it, so will only hit around 2500 (usually less) for the next 4 - 5 days.0 -
For the diet what surprises me is how low the dietary fat is. Why only 50 grams? what is the rational for that.0
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For the diet what surprises me is how low the dietary fat is. Why only 50 grams? what is the rational for that.
My only guess is to help cut down on the fat that will be stored.
Based on writings by Lyle McDonald, it is pretty hard for carbs to convert to fat....and the carb stores in a person are pretty high, as well as the fact that they will be oxidized at a higher priority than what fat will be.
So while he will put on fat....I am guessing the amt of fat will be minimized by this approach.
I will also state, that based on responses by the author in the comments section, he will prolly taking in more fat than what his goals state, since it seems that he wasn't weighing everything.
Just my opinion and thoughts on the subject.
Follow that up with the other link I posted from suppversity.0 -
One other thing, is that he is basically at what the minimum recommended allowances are....
He started at 170 I think it was....so if he is doing 0.3 gr / lb of body weight, that puts him ~50gr0 -
neversummer589 wrote: »I need about 4,000 calories a day to maintain.. So i aim for 4,250-4,500. Its not easy with clean calories but you can do it!! Eat big to get big!! (In a good way haha). 5,000 is do able.
I see you guys talking about maintaining on 3000/4000 calories and it just makes me want to cry haha
I freak out if I eat at around 3000 even though I think that's probably around what I need? Lately I've been having a non end constant hunger and my doctor said it might be due to the training + T therapy.
But I digress - that is a LOT of food and SO much training! I train about an hour 3/4 times a week and I find that a lot! Currently doing 5x5 and adding exercises here and there...did some lunges today, pull downs and push ups.
I feel SO tired, got home and ate the world XD
Let's get them muscles, yes!
Depends on what you do for physical activity. I walk all day at work, about 10,000-15,000 steps within 8 hours. Then Ill bike before work and hit the gym afterwards and come in at about 4,000 calories burned for the day. I also use a Fitbit Charge HR so i have a decently accurate idea of how many are being burned. When i ate 3,000-4,000, i would lose weight over time (down to 174lbs) and also sacrifice muscle that I was working on in the gym if i came in below 3k. I understand my cardio plays a factor but its something i like to do. Now at 4k+.. The weight is slowing coming back (up to 190lbs).0 -
neversummer589 wrote: »I need about 4,000 calories a day to maintain.. So i aim for 4,250-4,500. Its not easy with clean calories but you can do it!! Eat big to get big!! (In a good way haha). 5,000 is do able.
I see you guys talking about maintaining on 3000/4000 calories and it just makes me want to cry haha
I freak out if I eat at around 3000 even though I think that's probably around what I need? Lately I've been having a non end constant hunger and my doctor said it might be due to the training + T therapy.
But I digress - that is a LOT of food and SO much training! I train about an hour 3/4 times a week and I find that a lot! Currently doing 5x5 and adding exercises here and there...did some lunges today, pull downs and push ups.
I feel SO tired, got home and ate the world XD
Let's get them muscles, yes!
■■■ Yeah started ketogenic diet. 1st 5 weeks I ate 3k + calories at 70 to 75% Fats; 20% protein; 5%or less carbohydrates... That was hard to eat.
By week 5+ though eating the same macro ratios at 60 to 75% fat 20 to 30% protein; 5% or less carbohydrates I find myself eating 1200 to 1600 calories per day and very satisfied.
I adopted this approach to help with high blood sugar levels...I'm discovering fat works much better than insulin does provided you keep sugar intake restricted.■■■0 -
Greg Nuckols posted about this (I believe he coached this guy/oversaw the experiment) on facebook. Worth checking out the threads if you've seen them --- quite a bit of speculation about this.
"Lessons learned from sharing Alex Hormozi's before and afters, and the ongoing flak I'm still catching for it.
1) when in doubt, over-explain
I assumed people understood that 35lbs of scale weight did not mean 35 pounds of muscle, because of course that would be an insane amount to gain in 6 weeks. I assumed wrong.
I wish he would have gotten an estimate of muscle glycogen concentrations and total body water at the start and finish. Alas, he did not. But my hunch is that about 20 of the 35lbs were nothing but glycogen, water, and undigested food (the first 20lbs came within the first week or two, then his weight gain slowed down substantially for the rest of the 6 weeks). Powerlifters who've done a water cut for a meet with 24 hour weigh-ins know how easy it is to gain 15+ pounds in a very short period of time when you're started from a depleted state, and don't even get me started about bodybuilders rebounding after a show.
He also gained 2% body fat, or about 5lbs.
Then, we're only looking at about 10 total pounds of muscle, about half of which was regained, and about half of which was new. Yes, that's really, really good, but it's nothing earth-shattering, especially in someone coming back from a layoff.
I could have and should have been more explicit about all of that, but I assumed it would be pretty obvious to most people. Lesson learned.
2) a picture is worth more than 1000 words
If Alex didn't know how to manufacture such a damn good before-and-after shot (the original back pic especially) I don't think people would have been so upset. Lighting/getting a pump/angles/etc. are all hugely important. That's been documented enough times by enough people it's not worth getting into.
The visual was shocking. The visual was a little misleading too. Jarring images often cause people to make snap judgements before actually thinking through the numbers.
3) bodybuilders are leaner than most people realize
I've had people call *kitten* because "he's 20lbs bigger than any natural bodybuilder." That's simply not true.
He was 237 at his biggest, at 18% body fat. Getting stage lean would put him at around 206. But that would be a bloated, carb super loaded 206. Depleted, no food in his intestines, no bloat, you're probably looking at mid 190s. Assuming he lost some muscle getting that lean (as just about everyone does), he'd be stepping on stage at 5'10," 190lbs or so (around 180lbs of lean mass). That's about the same size as Layne Norton (a little lighter, but also a little shorter).
People who look huge and lean in day-to-day life are generally at least 30lbs over the weight they'd actually be on stage if they competed. Unless someone is in shredded, stage-ready condition, comparing their weight to a bodybuilder's stage weight is pretty idiotic.
4) when in doubt, play it safe
This is more a note for myself than for anyone else. I detest drama and I detest conflict, and this whole situation turned out to be a much larger headache than I anticipated. Back to boring, I suppose.
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Greg Nuckols posted about this (I believe he coached this guy/oversaw the experiment) on facebook. Worth checking out the threads if you've seen them --- quite a bit of speculation about this.
"Lessons learned from sharing Alex Hormozi's before and afters, and the ongoing flak I'm still catching for it.
1) when in doubt, over-explain
I assumed people understood that 35lbs of scale weight did not mean 35 pounds of muscle, because of course that would be an insane amount to gain in 6 weeks. I assumed wrong.
I wish he would have gotten an estimate of muscle glycogen concentrations and total body water at the start and finish. Alas, he did not. But my hunch is that about 20 of the 35lbs were nothing but glycogen, water, and undigested food (the first 20lbs came within the first week or two, then his weight gain slowed down substantially for the rest of the 6 weeks). Powerlifters who've done a water cut for a meet with 24 hour weigh-ins know how easy it is to gain 15+ pounds in a very short period of time when you're started from a depleted state, and don't even get me started about bodybuilders rebounding after a show.
He also gained 2% body fat, or about 5lbs.
Then, we're only looking at about 10 total pounds of muscle, about half of which was regained, and about half of which was new. Yes, that's really, really good, but it's nothing earth-shattering, especially in someone coming back from a layoff.
I could have and should have been more explicit about all of that, but I assumed it would be pretty obvious to most people. Lesson learned.
2) a picture is worth more than 1000 words
If Alex didn't know how to manufacture such a damn good before-and-after shot (the original back pic especially) I don't think people would have been so upset. Lighting/getting a pump/angles/etc. are all hugely important. That's been documented enough times by enough people it's not worth getting into.
The visual was shocking. The visual was a little misleading too. Jarring images often cause people to make snap judgements before actually thinking through the numbers.
3) bodybuilders are leaner than most people realize
I've had people call *kitten* because "he's 20lbs bigger than any natural bodybuilder." That's simply not true.
He was 237 at his biggest, at 18% body fat. Getting stage lean would put him at around 206. But that would be a bloated, carb super loaded 206. Depleted, no food in his intestines, no bloat, you're probably looking at mid 190s. Assuming he lost some muscle getting that lean (as just about everyone does), he'd be stepping on stage at 5'10," 190lbs or so (around 180lbs of lean mass). That's about the same size as Layne Norton (a little lighter, but also a little shorter).
People who look huge and lean in day-to-day life are generally at least 30lbs over the weight they'd actually be on stage if they competed. Unless someone is in shredded, stage-ready condition, comparing their weight to a bodybuilder's stage weight is pretty idiotic.
4) when in doubt, play it safe
This is more a note for myself than for anyone else. I detest drama and I detest conflict, and this whole situation turned out to be a much larger headache than I anticipated. Back to boring, I suppose.
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Thanks. Great addition to this thread!0 -
Thanks for the post SS0
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Greg Nuckols posted about this (I believe he coached this guy/oversaw the experiment) on facebook. Worth checking out the threads if you've seen them --- quite a bit of speculation about this.
"Lessons learned from sharing Alex Hormozi's before and afters, and the ongoing flak I'm still catching for it.
1) when in doubt, over-explain
I assumed people understood that 35lbs of scale weight did not mean 35 pounds of muscle, because of course that would be an insane amount to gain in 6 weeks. I assumed wrong.
I wish he would have gotten an estimate of muscle glycogen concentrations and total body water at the start and finish. Alas, he did not. But my hunch is that about 20 of the 35lbs were nothing but glycogen, water, and undigested food (the first 20lbs came within the first week or two, then his weight gain slowed down substantially for the rest of the 6 weeks). Powerlifters who've done a water cut for a meet with 24 hour weigh-ins know how easy it is to gain 15+ pounds in a very short period of time when you're started from a depleted state, and don't even get me started about bodybuilders rebounding after a show.
He also gained 2% body fat, or about 5lbs.
Then, we're only looking at about 10 total pounds of muscle, about half of which was regained, and about half of which was new. Yes, that's really, really good, but it's nothing earth-shattering, especially in someone coming back from a layoff.
I could have and should have been more explicit about all of that, but I assumed it would be pretty obvious to most people. Lesson learned.
2) a picture is worth more than 1000 words
If Alex didn't know how to manufacture such a damn good before-and-after shot (the original back pic especially) I don't think people would have been so upset. Lighting/getting a pump/angles/etc. are all hugely important. That's been documented enough times by enough people it's not worth getting into.
The visual was shocking. The visual was a little misleading too. Jarring images often cause people to make snap judgements before actually thinking through the numbers.
3) bodybuilders are leaner than most people realize
I've had people call *kitten* because "he's 20lbs bigger than any natural bodybuilder." That's simply not true.
He was 237 at his biggest, at 18% body fat. Getting stage lean would put him at around 206. But that would be a bloated, carb super loaded 206. Depleted, no food in his intestines, no bloat, you're probably looking at mid 190s. Assuming he lost some muscle getting that lean (as just about everyone does), he'd be stepping on stage at 5'10," 190lbs or so (around 180lbs of lean mass). That's about the same size as Layne Norton (a little lighter, but also a little shorter).
People who look huge and lean in day-to-day life are generally at least 30lbs over the weight they'd actually be on stage if they competed. Unless someone is in shredded, stage-ready condition, comparing their weight to a bodybuilder's stage weight is pretty idiotic.
4) when in doubt, play it safe
This is more a note for myself than for anyone else. I detest drama and I detest conflict, and this whole situation turned out to be a much larger headache than I anticipated. Back to boring, I suppose.
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Glad somebody else is on the same page. That article is super misleading and and a newbie might read that, think its legit and applies to them too, and start on a path to a terribly disappointing "dreamer bulk".
If it sounds too good to be true, it likely is.0 -
I'm currently on day 9 of 5k to 7k calories a day. I'll keep Yall posted on how it goes.0
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Wow. Good luck.
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_Bropollo_ wrote: »Greg Nuckols posted about this (I believe he coached this guy/oversaw the experiment) on facebook. Worth checking out the threads if you've seen them --- quite a bit of speculation about this.
"Lessons learned from sharing Alex Hormozi's before and afters, and the ongoing flak I'm still catching for it.
1) when in doubt, over-explain
I assumed people understood that 35lbs of scale weight did not mean 35 pounds of muscle, because of course that would be an insane amount to gain in 6 weeks. I assumed wrong.
I wish he would have gotten an estimate of muscle glycogen concentrations and total body water at the start and finish. Alas, he did not. But my hunch is that about 20 of the 35lbs were nothing but glycogen, water, and undigested food (the first 20lbs came within the first week or two, then his weight gain slowed down substantially for the rest of the 6 weeks). Powerlifters who've done a water cut for a meet with 24 hour weigh-ins know how easy it is to gain 15+ pounds in a very short period of time when you're started from a depleted state, and don't even get me started about bodybuilders rebounding after a show.
He also gained 2% body fat, or about 5lbs.
Then, we're only looking at about 10 total pounds of muscle, about half of which was regained, and about half of which was new. Yes, that's really, really good, but it's nothing earth-shattering, especially in someone coming back from a layoff.
I could have and should have been more explicit about all of that, but I assumed it would be pretty obvious to most people. Lesson learned.
2) a picture is worth more than 1000 words
If Alex didn't know how to manufacture such a damn good before-and-after shot (the original back pic especially) I don't think people would have been so upset. Lighting/getting a pump/angles/etc. are all hugely important. That's been documented enough times by enough people it's not worth getting into.
The visual was shocking. The visual was a little misleading too. Jarring images often cause people to make snap judgements before actually thinking through the numbers.
3) bodybuilders are leaner than most people realize
I've had people call *kitten* because "he's 20lbs bigger than any natural bodybuilder." That's simply not true.
He was 237 at his biggest, at 18% body fat. Getting stage lean would put him at around 206. But that would be a bloated, carb super loaded 206. Depleted, no food in his intestines, no bloat, you're probably looking at mid 190s. Assuming he lost some muscle getting that lean (as just about everyone does), he'd be stepping on stage at 5'10," 190lbs or so (around 180lbs of lean mass). That's about the same size as Layne Norton (a little lighter, but also a little shorter).
People who look huge and lean in day-to-day life are generally at least 30lbs over the weight they'd actually be on stage if they competed. Unless someone is in shredded, stage-ready condition, comparing their weight to a bodybuilder's stage weight is pretty idiotic.
4) when in doubt, play it safe
This is more a note for myself than for anyone else. I detest drama and I detest conflict, and this whole situation turned out to be a much larger headache than I anticipated. Back to boring, I suppose.
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Glad somebody else is on the same page. That article is super misleading and and a newbie might read that, think its legit and applies to them too, and start on a path to a terribly disappointing "dreamer bulk".
If it sounds too good to be true, it likely is.
Valid point. I tried eating 5k calories with carbs in the 700g+ range every day for a little while as an experiment. I got fat. Really, really fast.0
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