This started out as an answer to "why did you get fat" but then it got long so...
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i'd be a lot more sympathetic to you if i hadn't lost 90 lbs. recently, and i'm 5'5". in addition to that, my highest weight was 265 lbs. i am biologically female (i identify as male). i had binge eating disorder, pre diabetes, no gallbladder, PCOS, high blood pressure, signs of a fatty liver, and pancreatitis. in addition to that, i was taking metformin because i was also showing signs of insulin resistance! that's not even including mental issues... but with hard work, i am now 166 lbs.
all i did was use this site to accuracy, use iifym and cico together, and then switch to keto when i wanted to try something different. i managed to reverse all but two of the ailments on that list. there's no such thing as 'i'm genetically predisposed'.
maybe you're predisposed to overeating because you've got emotional problems that may or may not be genetic, but no, high weight doesn't follow genetics whatsoever. my family's fairly diverse. there are thin and obese people on both sides, but one side overeats and the other doesn't as often.
explain how if obesity follows genetics and i have emotional problems and i've finally snapped out of that same victim complex mentality i've lost the weight i wanted to and am still losing. you can't really fight me on it, can you? yeah.
you're doing something wrong. that's all there is to it. losing weight requires a lot of tinkering, much like one would tinker with electronics to troubleshoot an issue.
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Itsonlymeagain wrote: »"Example: Today I had Chicken Jerky. One serving size is 6 pieces (28g), I took 3 pieces, so you'd assume that's 14g right? Wrong. It was 17. That added 10 extra calories"
Ok, I guess this is part of my "issue" in understanding this and maybe I'm starting to see why you all don't understand me. I don't eat processed food out of a box like that so I have less to go on and it would indeed be highly tedious and not as accurate as you make it seem. For me it more a matter of here's my chicken and here's my jerk spices and oil for the marinade and then to "guesstimate" how much marinade is per chicken. As it is I have to add recipes to the app then try and portion it out myself. It's only a guess unless I literally portion the pot out in cups and weigh it. even then, what really do I have to go on. If I make a pot of lentil soup for, example, I have the ingredients in there and try to estimate out that 4 people are eating and we each had a bowl of approximate size so the calories= Xingredient+Yingedient+Zingedient/4.
Overestimating on whole food fruits and veggies especially is of minimal consequence IMO as its' quite hard to overeat high fiber foods like fruit and low calorie foods like veggies. Weight Watchers gives true veggies away as freebies, in fact.
Lol, so what I said gets disregarded because my chicken jerky made with five ingredients which is just chicken and spices is "too processed". I don't eat Slim Jim's, I eat handcrafted jerky made locally so it's not "highly processed food out of a box". Even if I did eat highly processed food out of a box, I'd still measure it because estimating via measuring cups gives errors regardless of how processed a food is. Some people here eat whatever they want throughout the day without regard to nutritional value and they're still losing weight while you aren't.
Let me choose a more relatable example for you. The other day I made Turkey Chili. Not out of a can, from scratch. I weighed my ground turkey, my beans, my tomatoes, veggies, spices, every little thing. I put it all into MFP and added the grams, then divided them to figure out how many bowls I'd get out of it for a reasonable amount of calories. It took me no more than five minutes to do. A 340 gram bowl was 40 calories less than a 360 gram bowl and all it took was a fourth of a scoop to make that much of a calorie difference.
It is NOT hard to overeat on fruits and vegetables, especially fruit! A "medium" apple is not easy to estimate. What may look medium can be large. My medium looking Pink Lady apple was 126 calories. The next medium looking one next to it was 140 calories. The one after that was 100 calories. Huge differences. You are so hard headed and delusional that it's unbelievable. I'm starting to feel like I'm being trolled.0 -
derekspiewak wrote: »Itsonlymeagain wrote: »@derek... no I'm not part of any movement and I don't believe it either. I already said I want to lose weight because I'm feeling it in my joints, among other raesons. What I DID say is that medical doctors don't pay much attention for me because there is nothing for them to treat. High TSH? here's a pill. High aic? here's a pill. What does a medical doctor do for someone with normal labs? Not much.
I don't mean to argue but some people are being irrationally hardball and I don't appreciate that. There is not one way to do things and it's stupid, literally stupid, to say measuring 1/2 cup of oats is vastly different than weighing it. I'm not a stupid person. IT's not like I"m packing them down in tight. So when I say I measure the food I'm looking for an honest discussion on why this is so bad vs weighing. I don't see it. Sorry, I don't and being nasty instead if informational is not helping me or anyone else who may be reading and not commenting.
OK, let's take a breather here and talk about a few things.- Weighing your food is definitely better than measuring volume. It's much more precise. Volume varies with foods, but weight always remains the same. It's super easy, too. Just set the bowl on the scale, zero it out, and then add the food. I have one at home too, and I love it.
- You are going to need a more accurate measuring mechanism because, as you said yourself, you are short. What is a small difference to a tall person is going to have a big impact on a short person. I'm sorry, I didn't make life this way. It's unfair as hell but it is what it is. It's important for you - at least at first - to precisely measure your foods so you can actually see what your caloric intake really is.
- Most of us suffered from some major delusions or misconceptions on the way to figuring out how to lose weight. Playing nice didn't help. Other fat people don't want us to lose weight, because it makes them feel bad. Sociopathic hucksters know how much we want to lose weight, and we always buy the nonsense that promises an easier way, so they keep selling it to us and walking away with our money. We had to face things with a cold, confrontational attitude before we could move forward. I know it makes you mad. Well, get mad, damn it! You should be mad. You're suffering and there's a predictable, workable way out.
OP, I'm going to be blunt here and if I offend you, I really am sorry. You remind me a lot of how I was so I'm giving you the tough love that I wish I had heard before I got to be the way I am now.
What this person said is right on the money (see the bolded statement). Yes, you are lying. Not to us, but to yourself. I went through the same thing when I was at my biggest. I gained 4 pant sizes but refused to believe it and actually convinced myself that pants were just made 4 sizes smaller in a year (not even kidding).
I have hormone issues and an insulin resistance. I'm also on birth control and multiple medications that are known for weight gain. I've still lost over 40 pounds (which trust me, is a big difference physically even though it may not sound like much) despite the fact I have so much working against me. Did it take awhile? Damn right it did. Did I regress back to my old habits? Absolutely. Did I give up because I didn't lose weight for a month or two? Nope.
What works? Counting calories, weighing food, and exercise. If you don't want to weight your food (I don't), buy prepackaged food. For example, I buy vegetarian chicken nuggets that have 200 calories per 4 nuggets. They are exactly the same size.
If you are hungry all the time, up your calories and up your exercise. Make sure to eat back some of the calories you burn. Not all of them, just some. MFP calculates that for you so you don't even have to worry about the math.
If you need motivation, I will show you my weight loss pics. I have not shown anyone outside of my immediate friends and family but you remind me so much of how I was, I'm willing to share them. Just let me know.
Good luck.
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in addendum to this thread, it's clear that this is a user who has tried time and again to use some type of tracking site. there's no picture on their profile and they've posted only 14 times. i'd say unless they start listening pretty soon, they're either trolling or they really don't give a crap about accountability in the slightest. let them suffer. misery loves company.0
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I suggest a detox diet. It seemed to totally reset my metabolism. The 17 day diet is about food combos and sustaining from refined sugars, starches. I had to eat more protein (my weakness) and found out that I was less hungry. This detox was a basic clean eating plan and worked to get things in order for me. Just a thought0
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I suggest a detox diet. It seemed to totally reset my metabolism. The 17 day diet is about food combos and sustaining from refined sugars, starches. I had to eat more protein (my weakness) and found out that I was less hungry. This detox was a basic clean eating plan and worked to get things in order for me. Just a thought
OMG, don't bring in this quackery to an already quackful thread.
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quintoespada wrote: »in addendum to this thread, it's clear that this is a user who has tried time and again to use some type of tracking site. there's no picture on their profile and they've posted only 14 times. i'd say unless they start listening pretty soon, they're either trolling or they really don't give a crap about accountability in the slightest. let them suffer. misery loves company.
Many people use the diary without using the forums.0 -
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I suggest a detox diet. It seemed to totally reset my metabolism. The 17 day diet is about food combos and sustaining from refined sugars, starches. I had to eat more protein (my weakness) and found out that I was less hungry. This detox was a basic clean eating plan and worked to get things in order for me. Just a thought
OMG, don't bring in this quackery to an already quackful thread.
Dr. Oz would like to have a word with you.0 -
SlightlyAnother topic... Do you ever deduct for trimming meat? Say you're eating a steak that weighs 8oz but then you trim off the visible fat and of course take out the bone. Do you do all that and then weigh the meat. Or draining the fat from ground beef? Does that deduct anything from calorie count? Then of course to my lunch example. I measured out 1 tsp oil but there was a heaping load of dressing left in the bowl. How do you count for that if at all? If it has to be that calories are counted to the exact preciseness then. And again to meat is the calories given in the app for pre or post cooking because lots of fat always drips off.
And then there is the stuff that I have no idea and have nothing to go off of. I buy these great homegrown sausages from a local butcher because he doesn't add filler fat and typical curing additives. It's just chicken or pork plus whatever the flavor du jour is like maple or fire roasted veggies or whatever so I've been counted it as a chicken or pork chop.
I'm not being obtuse... these are questions I've asked myself over the past couple weeks.0 -
quintoespada wrote: »in addendum to this thread, it's clear that this is a user who has tried time and again to use some type of tracking site. there's no picture on their profile and they've posted only 14 times. i'd say unless they start listening pretty soon, they're either trolling or they really don't give a crap about accountability in the slightest. let them suffer. misery loves company.
I don't even know what you're talking about. I'm a new user (this is the welcome threat isn't it?) and I have no idea what "tracking sites" you are talking about!!!
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Itsonlymeagain wrote: »SlightlyAnother topic... Do you ever deduct for trimming meat? Say you're eating a steak that weighs 8oz but then you trim off the visible fat and of course take out the bone. Do you do all that and then weigh the meat. Or draining the fat from ground beef? Does that deduct anything from calorie count? Then of course to my lunch example. I measured out 1 tsp oil but there was a heaping load of dressing left in the bowl. How do you count for that if at all? If it has to be that calories are counted to the exact preciseness then. And again to meat is the calories given in the app for pre or post cooking because lots of fat always drips off.
And then there is the stuff that I have no idea and have nothing to go off of. I buy these great homegrown sausages from a local butcher because he doesn't add filler fat and typical curing additives. It's just chicken or pork plus whatever the flavor du jour is like maple or fire roasted veggies or whatever so I've been counted it as a chicken or pork chop.
I'm not being obtuse... these are questions I've asked myself over the past couple weeks.
If I am eating a steak or ribs or some such thing with bones, I weigh it cooked, search for the appropriate entry in the database (it should specify cooked), and then I weigh the bones/fat at the end of my meal (when my plate is empty anyways).
As for the others, I just log the full amount and call it a wash. It's likely 20-50 calories for the day that I'm overestimating; I'm good with that.0 -
Itsonlymeagain wrote: »SlightlyAnother topic... Do you ever deduct for trimming meat?
Nope. I eat the whole damned thing. I already weighed the steak so I'm not trimming the fat. When I already know what I'm consuming, then I can eat what I weighed. No need to double or triple weigh anything.
OP, if your methods are successfully working, keep doing them. If not, it would behoove you to to listen to suggestions.
Drops mic.
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I don't like the fat so I"m not going to eat it.
\No worries. I'm not staying here. I can understand people giving me a reality check because you're right, I didn't get this way eating healthy ALL the time. But I do not appreciate the third degree. I think some want to see others succeed and others feel that because this works for me this is the ONLY way to do things. I don't see things so black and white. And damn... this is all over weighing vs measuring food and then you say the calorie difference doesn't matter if you drain the fat. Seriously... it DOES matter at the low calorie level because it could mean another 1/2 cup of broccoli as opposed to feeling hungry.0 -
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Itsonlymeagain wrote: »I don't like the fat so I"m not going to eat it.
\No worries. I'm not staying here. I can understand people giving me a reality check because you're right, I didn't get this way eating healthy ALL the time. But I do not appreciate the third degree. I think some want to see others succeed and others feel that because this works for me this is the ONLY way to do things. I don't see things so black and white. And damn... this is all over weighing vs measuring food and then you say the calorie difference doesn't matter if you drain the fat. Seriously... it DOES matter at the low calorie level because it could mean another 1/2 cup of broccoli as opposed to feeling hungry.
On the weighing meat issue:
If you weigh a steak and then trim stuff off (meat and bones) that you aren't eating, yes, you need to deduct that from the original weight. You only count and log what you actually eat, not what you discard.
But seeing as how you're not planning on sticking around and learning, there seems no point in wasting further effort to help you out.
Again, I wish you the best on your journey.0 -
The only thing that you need to know is that if you are not losing weight, you are consuming more calories than you are burning. The End.
The ball is in your court as to what you do with that information. It IS that black and white. Whether you weigh your food or estimate your portions, your results will determine whether you're accurate or not.
Your questions are easy to answer--weigh what you eat. Count the fat on your steak or don't, whatever works best for you. I'm comfortable with over estimating slightly because then I can be sure I'm eating within my goal. My plan of action is to slightly over estimate what I am eating and slightly under estimate what I burn and it works beautifully. If I start losing too quickly or not quick enough, I re-adjust.
It will take some trial and error to find out what your ideal calorie intake for the day will be and that number will change as you lose and get smaller. It's all fuzzy math when you get right to it, so being as accurate as you can with your portions is the way to go. For me, I use a food scale because I am terrible with eyeballing food.
I have lost nearly 30 pounds using this method since March 1, 2015, down to 137 from 170.
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Itsonlymeagain wrote: »I don't like the fat so I"m not going to eat it.
\No worries. I'm not staying here. I can understand people giving me a reality check because you're right, I didn't get this way eating healthy ALL the time. But I do not appreciate the third degree. I think some want to see others succeed and others feel that because this works for me this is the ONLY way to do things. I don't see things so black and white. And damn... this is all over weighing vs measuring food and then you say the calorie difference doesn't matter if you drain the fat. Seriously... it DOES matter at the low calorie level because it could mean another 1/2 cup of broccoli as opposed to feeling hungry.
You got that way by eating too many calories, not by not eating 'healthy'. And honestly, you'd feel fuller longer eating the fat with the meat than you would eating the broccoli, because fat is more satiating. You have a lot to learn, and a lot of people here with the knowledge to help you, if you were willing to stick around and learn. But to fight against a $15 food scale and the couple of minutes to weigh your food to ensure your accuracy with calorie counting, to help you lose the weight you want to lose, shows you're not ready. Please come back when you are and we'll be here.0 -
I guess I missed where it said what the doctor told you? You have seen a doctor I assume?
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Well, this was 20 minutes of my life I'll never get back.0
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Itsonlymeagain wrote: »I don't like the fat so I"m not going to eat it.
\No worries. I'm not staying here. I can understand people giving me a reality check because you're right, I didn't get this way eating healthy ALL the time. But I do not appreciate the third degree. I think some want to see others succeed and others feel that because this works for me this is the ONLY way to do things. I don't see things so black and white. And damn... this is all over weighing vs measuring food and then you say the calorie difference doesn't matter if you drain the fat. Seriously... it DOES matter at the low calorie level because it could mean another 1/2 cup of broccoli as opposed to feeling hungry.
Dahling, if you can't shift 20+ lbs, it ain't the broccoli!! Don't major in the minors. One thing having a food scale and being conscious of everything you log - including liquids, is it helps you identify gaps in your logging. What item did you accidentally think was half as many calories? Where did you miss that the listing was per serving, not per container? Which dressing did you think was 10 cals per tablespoon but actually turned out to be much more? That sort of thing
Read this: http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/1296011/calorie-counting-101/p1
And yeah the OP don't wanna return but anyone else in the same boat could benefit
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I'm 5'2" also over 40. Currently weigh 150. It's SLOW going. I get 1200 calories . I workout 5 days a week to get more calories! LOL. Log everything. Drink more water. Exercise.0
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Itsonlymeagain wrote: »snickerscharlie wrote: »
Honestly, it's really that simple.
and honestly, it's not, not for everyone. Not for me. And you are indeed calling me a liar because you're saying I"m not being honest with myself. I am quite honest with myself. I got fat by mindless eating and snacking NOT by my meals. It was never by my meals. I have had to change very little in that regard. I've only, really, cut out my snacking.
The scale hasn't budged.
...... so you mean its NOT working then?
If the scale hasn't budged, obviously you DO need to change something else besides your meals. Cutting out snacking is not your way to success, because that hasn't been enough.
It's CICO, no way around it. Being short isnt a curtain to hide behind.0 -
Maybe it's me but I find the mere act of having to log calories in to have a beneficial effect on my intake. Several times that snickers bar wuld be calling my name but I just don't want to commit that "sin" to writing. So I don't have it.0
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Some really useful and helpful info in here, also a couple of needlessly rude comments.
OP, as an example, I used to eat a 'cup' of peanuts, thinking this was around 30g. When I weighed it, I found out it was about 50g. The visual difference was negligible, but the caloric difference was around 200 calories. Done a few times, this was putting me over my calorie goal consistently.
It really is worth weighing, the extra 30 seconds it takes could make all the difference to your weight loss. Take care, and I hope you get the results you want.0 -
I didn't read every comment in this thread so I apologize if I am repeating anything.
Losing weight isn't a one size fits all kind of shirt you put on. That is why it is important, if you are serious about losing weight and are truly ready, to measure your food, track your caloric intake and water consumption, etc. I also would opt to use a scale oppose to a measuring cup. But this is just me.
Your metabolism and the rest of your hormones are obviously way off and not functioning properly. This was/is part of my problem too. See your doctor for a physical and get some labs drawn. Check your thyroid levels since you have had children if you haven't done so yet. That alone will make it harder, not impossible, to lose weight.
Change up your diet. Get rid of breads and pastas all together and opt for rice or potatoes for a carb choice. Maybe even consider eliminating these carbs on days you do not do any workouts and just stick to your lean proteins and veggies galore.
Your metabolism and hormones need to get back to normal. You have to stop looking at the scale and repair the damage and live health 100% and when you start to feel your pants getting looser then weigh yourself. It isn't always about the numbers anyways. Weight lifting will reshape your body and help with your metabolism and hormones as well.
If you need a friend or someone to vent to feel free to add me! I am new here myself.0 -
Errrr, it's only been two weeks and you are relatively light.
Give it at least another two weeks to allow for the normal things that can mask fat loss on the scale (water fluctuations, food still making its way through the GI tract etc) to resolve
If you still see no movement reassess your methods.0 -
So being new here also I have learned weigh my food easy.0
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techgal128 wrote: »I suggest a detox diet. It seemed to totally reset my metabolism. The 17 day diet is about food combos and sustaining from refined sugars, starches. I had to eat more protein (my weakness) and found out that I was less hungry. This detox was a basic clean eating plan and worked to get things in order for me. Just a thought
OMG, don't bring in this quackery to an already quackful thread.
Dr. Oz would like to have a word with you.
Dr. Mehmet Oz is such a quack that he waddles when he walks.0 -
It would seem a safe bet to me in this situation to reduce the daily calorie goal to 1200, that way, you have a buffer so if you are getting your measuring a little wrong, you will still lose. For those who jump in and say it is too little, it would probably end up closer to 1300 with any underestimating, so all is well that ends well.
On the other hand, you might actually need to eat at 1200 in order to lose, even if you weighed every morsel carefully and had no overrun. I do and I am a lot taller than you. I eat at 1200 and lose between 0.2 and 0.4kg a week. If I ate at 1400 I would be in maintenance and if I ate a sloppy 1400 I would gain.0
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