Bulking and hungry in the morning?!?!?
Shouliveshappy
Posts: 161 Member
Hi All,
I am currently 5'2" 104 lbs (morning weight). I am bulking at 2400 calories. I've been trying to find my accurate TDEE and bulking calories for about 2 weeks now.
I've increased from 2100 - 2400cals within less than 2 weeks While on a bulk, am i supposed to feel full? However i dont.
I go to sleep feeling 70% full and wake up with a growling stomach. My weight has been fluctuating all over the place. Week 1 i suspect it maybe water retention from a new routine? But the weight decreased in week 2 despite increasing calories...
Does it mean i am still eating at a deficit?
Week 1: 15 Aug - 21 Aug
Body weight: 47.7 kg (105.1lbs)
Week 2: 23 Aug - 27 Aug
Body weight: 46.7 kg (103 lbs)
I am currently 5'2" 104 lbs (morning weight). I am bulking at 2400 calories. I've been trying to find my accurate TDEE and bulking calories for about 2 weeks now.
I've increased from 2100 - 2400cals within less than 2 weeks While on a bulk, am i supposed to feel full? However i dont.
I go to sleep feeling 70% full and wake up with a growling stomach. My weight has been fluctuating all over the place. Week 1 i suspect it maybe water retention from a new routine? But the weight decreased in week 2 despite increasing calories...
Does it mean i am still eating at a deficit?
Week 1: 15 Aug - 21 Aug
Body weight: 47.7 kg (105.1lbs)
Week 2: 23 Aug - 27 Aug
Body weight: 46.7 kg (103 lbs)
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Too soon to tell. Especially if you increased calories again in the meantime. Stick to one number for about a month so your body can adjust and you can really see change on the scale.
Also, are you weighing all your foods?0 -
Too soon to tell. Especially if you increased calories again in the meantime. Stick to one number for about a month so your body can adjust and you can really see change on the scale.
Also, are you weighing all your foods?
i eat out for lunch, hence its a rough estimate, should be quite close though... but if my body is hungry ( and its growling), i shouldnt be resisting food yes?
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Shouliveshappy wrote: »Too soon to tell. Especially if you increased calories again in the meantime. Stick to one number for about a month so your body can adjust and you can really see change on the scale.
Also, are you weighing all your foods?
i eat out for lunch, hence its a rough estimate, should be quite close though... but if my body is hungry ( and its growling), i shouldnt be resisting food yes?
Nope, but unless there are calories on the menu you are most likely estimating your lunch wrong.
I can't remember the specific thread I read it in, but it was something along the lines of most people's calories estimation is off by 50% either direction.
Anyway, if you eat about the same for lunch every day the number is not too important, as long as you consistently log your other food.
MFP might say you are eating 2400 or 2500 while you are not. The exact number is not important though, if you gain 0.5 lbs a week you know you are 250 calories above maintenance. (You just don't know what your exact maintenance is.)
Anyway, morale of the story. Eat more if you want, you are trying to gain. However, it is way too soon to tell if your bulk is working.0 -
How much protein are you consuming? And what workout are you doing?0
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Two weeks is difficult to tell if you aren't eating enough as your body will naturally fluctuate up and down. Generally, you want to see a trend over a 4-6 week time frame and then adjust.
If you are hungry a lot, then I would ask if you are eating enough protein, fats and fiber. Can you open your diary so we can provide some feedback..0 -
Two weeks is difficult to tell if you aren't eating enough as your body will naturally fluctuate up and down. Generally, you want to see a trend over a 4-6 week time frame and then adjust.
If you are hungry a lot, then I would ask if you are eating enough protein, fats and fiber. Can you open your diary so we can provide some feedback..
two weeks of not gaining though, don't you think OP should increase by another 50 or 100 cals a day???0 -
Two weeks is difficult to tell if you aren't eating enough as your body will naturally fluctuate up and down. Generally, you want to see a trend over a 4-6 week time frame and then adjust.
If you are hungry a lot, then I would ask if you are eating enough protein, fats and fiber. Can you open your diary so we can provide some feedback..
two weeks of not gaining though, don't you think OP should increase by another 50 or 100 cals a day???
Looking at the OP's diary, she actually doesn't hit her 2400 calorie target. In the past two weeks, it was almost hit once. Most days are closer to 2100 (some as low as 1900 and the high was like 2369). So more consistently hitting 2400 would be my first suggestion.
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Really, your linking to a forum as your evidence?
When bulking carbs are more important because the insulin spike signals your muscles to start building. Protein should still be about .85 grams per pound of body weight however majority of caps should come from carbs.
Protein is more important on cut to maintain existing mass.0 -
Two weeks is difficult to tell if you aren't eating enough as your body will naturally fluctuate up and down. Generally, you want to see a trend over a 4-6 week time frame and then adjust.
If you are hungry a lot, then I would ask if you are eating enough protein, fats and fiber. Can you open your diary so we can provide some feedback..
two weeks of not gaining though, don't you think OP should increase by another 50 or 100 cals a day???
Looking at the OP's diary, she actually doesn't hit her 2400 calorie target. In the past two weeks, it was almost hit once. Most days are closer to 2100 (some as low as 1900 and the high was like 2369). So more consistently hitting 2400 would be my first suggestion.
I did not look in diary...
Then yes, op should hit 2400 and see what happens.0 -
OP...you need to hit your calorie targets for starters. you're not going to successfully bulk if you're not consistently hitting your targets.0
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Two weeks is difficult to tell if you aren't eating enough as your body will naturally fluctuate up and down. Generally, you want to see a trend over a 4-6 week time frame and then adjust.
If you are hungry a lot, then I would ask if you are eating enough protein, fats and fiber. Can you open your diary so we can provide some feedback..
two weeks of not gaining though, don't you think OP should increase by another 50 or 100 cals a day???
Looking at the OP's diary, she actually doesn't hit her 2400 calorie target. In the past two weeks, it was almost hit once. Most days are closer to 2100 (some as low as 1900 and the high was like 2369). So more consistently hitting 2400 would be my first suggestion.
@Shouliveshappy as @ndj1979 and @psulemon have said aim to hit the 2400 calorie target every day. A good way of doing this would be to pre plan your day so you know when you are eat, what you are eating and you wont be left with the end of day with loads of calories left and wondering how to fill them.0 -
It looks like up until sunday the 23rd OP's goal was 2200 calories.
It was changed to 2400 yesterday (wednesday).
So you upped your calories by 200 in a week.. I would suggest hitting your new goal for a while and see what that does...0 -
Protein has it's limitations and at some point, more =/= better. Most studies would suggest that protein at 1-1.4kg per weight is effective.
Eating more carbs will enable your body to replenish glycogen stores to allow for maximum protein uptake and stimulates insulin to promote growth.
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My experience has been that my hunger signals get weird every time I change my intake, and especially when I up it. Once I've increased my actual intake (not my goal, but the number of calories I'm consistently eating daily), I tend to feel over-full for 7-10 days, then starving for 7-10 days, and then it evens out. My weight also tends to jump up and down for the first 2-4 weeks when I start upping my calories, so just be patient and ride it out.0
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And stop leaving calories on the table! At this point, you're basically doing an experiment to see what intake you need in order to gain at a controlled weight. If your inputs aren't consistent, you won't get good, accurate result data.0
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it's not that protein isn't important....it's just that once you exceed about 1 gram per Lb of LBM there really is no additional benefit...
eating all of the carbs is going to spike insulin and help you grow.0 -
It's actual " learn body" weight, not 1 gram per pound of body weight If you're fat 300 pounds you don't need 300 grams of protein.
Protein has it's limitations and at some point, more =/= better. Most studies would suggest that protein at 1-1.4kg per weight is effective.
Eating more carbs will enable your body to replenish glycogen stores to allow for maximum protein uptake and stimulates insulin to promote growth.
Of course protein has limitations, all macros do. The point is protein is the most important when building muscle bulking/cutting. Carbs fats(both can do the same as the body will break down both if needed it just prefers carbs)
I believe the real statements should have said carbs can be important as fats and protein, and should be used at certain moments when it's optimal but they are no where near the most important variable, and because we all are different some people respond different to carbs, proteins, and fats.
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Really, your linking to a forum as your evidence?
When bulking carbs are more important because the insulin spike signals your muscles to start building. Protein should still be about .85 grams per pound of body weight however majority of caps should come from carbs.
Protein is more important on cut to maintain existing mass.
Yep, I linked a body building site. As, since the main goal of those particular people seems to be more reliable for they are on stage and there careers are on the line. Some one might say Jay Cutter takes 1000 grams of carbs, and that is true but that man eats like 10k+ calories, so really is it high or moderate depending on the person. I can also say that actors who are bulking up are eating incredible sources of protein there are many you tube interviews of this. Hugh Jackman himself said he was eating 6-8 chicken breast protein shakes, not counting his other calories, or I can take the rocks diet with how much Cod that man is eating. I'm not saying carbs are not important I am just commenting on your word choice.0 -
You might want to read what I actually said. I said 1-1.4kg of body weight. So your 300 lb guy = 136 to 194g of protein. Fat fetch from 300g of protein.
It's actual " learn body" weight, not 1 gram per pound of body weight If you're fat 300 pounds you don't need 300 grams of protein.
Protein has it's limitations and at some point, more =/= better. Most studies would suggest that protein at 1-1.4kg per weight is effective.
Eating more carbs will enable your body to replenish glycogen stores to allow for maximum protein uptake and stimulates insulin to promote growth.
Of course protein has limitations, all macros do. The point is protein is the most important when building muscle bulking/cutting. Carbs fats(both can do the same as the body will break down both if needed it just prefers carbs)
I believe the real statements should have said carbs can be important as fats and protein, and should be used at certain moments when it's optimal but they are no where near the most important variable, and because we all are different some people respond different to carbs, proteins, and fats.
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I did read, you said weight not mass.
You might want to read what I actually said. I said 1-1.4kg of body mass. So your 300 lb guy = 136 to 194g of protein. Fat fetch from 300g of protein.
It's actual " learn body" weight, not 1 gram per pound of body weight If you're fat 300 pounds you don't need 300 grams of protein.
Protein has it's limitations and at some point, more =/= better. Most studies would suggest that protein at 1-1.4kg per weight is effective.
Eating more carbs will enable your body to replenish glycogen stores to allow for maximum protein uptake and stimulates insulin to promote growth.
Of course protein has limitations, all macros do. The point is protein is the most important when building muscle bulking/cutting. Carbs fats(both can do the same as the body will break down both if needed it just prefers carbs)
I believe the real statements should have said carbs can be important as fats and protein, and should be used at certain moments when it's optimal but they are no where near the most important variable, and because we all are different some people respond different to carbs, proteins, and fats.0 -
I did read, you said weight not mass.
You might want to read what I actually said. I said 1-1.4kg of body mass. So your 300 lb guy = 136 to 194g of protein. Fat fetch from 300g of protein.
It's actual " learn body" weight, not 1 gram per pound of body weight If you're fat 300 pounds you don't need 300 grams of protein.
Protein has it's limitations and at some point, more =/= better. Most studies would suggest that protein at 1-1.4kg per weight is effective.
Eating more carbs will enable your body to replenish glycogen stores to allow for maximum protein uptake and stimulates insulin to promote growth.
Of course protein has limitations, all macros do. The point is protein is the most important when building muscle bulking/cutting. Carbs fats(both can do the same as the body will break down both if needed it just prefers carbs)
I believe the real statements should have said carbs can be important as fats and protein, and should be used at certain moments when it's optimal but they are no where near the most important variable, and because we all are different some people respond different to carbs, proteins, and fats.
You got my second post before I got done editing.
There are two ways to look at it, you can say .8-1g of protein per lb of lean body mass or you can say 1-1.4g per kg of mass. If you reference most studies, they are mainly done in KG not LBS
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/823505/research-on-protien-intake
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Really, your linking to a forum as your evidence?
When bulking carbs are more important because the insulin spike signals your muscles to start building. Protein should still be about .85 grams per pound of body weight however majority of caps should come from carbs.
Protein is more important on cut to maintain existing mass.
Yep, I linked a body building site. As, since the main goal of those particular people seems to be more reliable for they are on stage and there careers are on the line. Some one might say Jay Cutter takes 1000 grams of carbs, and that is true but that man eats like 10k+ calories, so really is it high or moderate depending on the person. I can also say that actors who are bulking up are eating incredible sources of protein there are many you tube interviews of this. Hugh Jackman himself said he was eating 6-8 chicken breast protein shakes, not counting his other calories, or I can take the rocks diet with how much Cod that man is eating. I'm not saying carbs are not important I am just commenting on your word choice.
so your nitpicking then?
Lets rehash ..
bulking - carbs more important than protein, but make sure that you hit protein and fat minimums.
cutting - protein more important than protein.
or do you want to argue just to argue some more...0 -
Really, your linking to a forum as your evidence?
When bulking carbs are more important because the insulin spike signals your muscles to start building. Protein should still be about .85 grams per pound of body weight however majority of caps should come from carbs.
Protein is more important on cut to maintain existing mass.
Yep, I linked a body building site. As, since the main goal of those particular people seems to be more reliable for they are on stage and there careers are on the line. Some one might say Jay Cutter takes 1000 grams of carbs, and that is true but that man eats like 10k+ calories, so really is it high or moderate depending on the person. I can also say that actors who are bulking up are eating incredible sources of protein there are many you tube interviews of this. Hugh Jackman himself said he was eating 6-8 chicken breast protein shakes, not counting his other calories, or I can take the rocks diet with how much Cod that man is eating. I'm not saying carbs are not important I am just commenting on your word choice.
so your nitpicking then?
Lets rehash ..
bulking - carbs more important than protein, but make sure that you hit protein and fat minimums.
cutting - protein more important than protein.
or do you want to argue just to argue some more...
I'm not arguing, the fact is the majority of actual body builders have high protein around 200-400 grams, moderate carbs and moderate fat Of course this all comes down to total calories..
It totally makes no sense to say "protein, more protein" on cutting if you your body is supposedly only able to have so much protein. You can't have it both ways. It would be for both HIGH (the same to an extent, only going higher because of a raise of calories) in both phases, since the fundamental building block of making muscle is from protein synthesis , unless you saying you are bulking/cutting without a care to keep muscle. (aka) not weight lifting.
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Really, your linking to a forum as your evidence?
When bulking carbs are more important because the insulin spike signals your muscles to start building. Protein should still be about .85 grams per pound of body weight however majority of caps should come from carbs.
Protein is more important on cut to maintain existing mass.
Yep, I linked a body building site. As, since the main goal of those particular people seems to be more reliable for they are on stage and there careers are on the line. Some one might say Jay Cutter takes 1000 grams of carbs, and that is true but that man eats like 10k+ calories, so really is it high or moderate depending on the person. I can also say that actors who are bulking up are eating incredible sources of protein there are many you tube interviews of this. Hugh Jackman himself said he was eating 6-8 chicken breast protein shakes, not counting his other calories, or I can take the rocks diet with how much Cod that man is eating. I'm not saying carbs are not important I am just commenting on your word choice.
so your nitpicking then?
Lets rehash ..
bulking - carbs more important than protein, but make sure that you hit protein and fat minimums.
cutting - protein more important than protein.
or do you want to argue just to argue some more...
I'm not arguing, the fact is the majority of actual body builders have high protein around 200-400 grams, moderate carbs and moderate fat Of course this all comes down to total calories..
It totally makes no sense to say "protein, more protein" on cutting if you your body is supposedly only able to have so much protein. You can't have it both ways. It would be for both HIGH (the same to an extent, only going higher because of a raise of calories) in both phases, since the fundamental building block of making muscle is from protein synthesis , unless you saying you are bulking/cutting without a care to keep muscle. (aka) not weight lifting.
You do understand that the MAJORITY of bodybuilders are using anabolic steroids, right?
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Really, your linking to a forum as your evidence?
When bulking carbs are more important because the insulin spike signals your muscles to start building. Protein should still be about .85 grams per pound of body weight however majority of caps should come from carbs.
Protein is more important on cut to maintain existing mass.
Yep, I linked a body building site. As, since the main goal of those particular people seems to be more reliable for they are on stage and there careers are on the line. Some one might say Jay Cutter takes 1000 grams of carbs, and that is true but that man eats like 10k+ calories, so really is it high or moderate depending on the person. I can also say that actors who are bulking up are eating incredible sources of protein there are many you tube interviews of this. Hugh Jackman himself said he was eating 6-8 chicken breast protein shakes, not counting his other calories, or I can take the rocks diet with how much Cod that man is eating. I'm not saying carbs are not important I am just commenting on your word choice.
so your nitpicking then?
Lets rehash ..
bulking - carbs more important than protein, but make sure that you hit protein and fat minimums.
cutting - protein more important than protein.
or do you want to argue just to argue some more...
I'm not arguing, the fact is the majority of actual body builders have high protein around 200-400 grams, moderate carbs and moderate fat Of course this all comes down to total calories..
It totally makes no sense to say "protein, more protein" on cutting if you your body is supposedly only able to have so much protein. You can't have it both ways. It would be for both HIGH (the same to an extent, only going higher because of a raise of calories) in both phases, since the fundamental building block of making muscle is from protein synthesis , unless you saying you are bulking/cutting without a care to keep muscle. (aka) not weight lifting.
You do understand that the MAJORITY of bodybuilders are using anabolic steroids, right?
So, your thought process is because they take a steroid they automatically take more protein? I just want to clarify this. Do you also think because they take the steroid they don't have to lift weights too?0 -
OP - 2 weeks is not nearly long enough time to get a "trend" of what is happening with your weight. If it were me, I'd find my TDEE add 250-500 calories and go with that number for a whole month and then adjust up or down from there.
It's been my personal experience that .8-1.0g/lb of LBM (lean body mass) is more than enough protein for me to continue to add muscle which in turn increases my LBM while bulking.0 -
Really, your linking to a forum as your evidence?
When bulking carbs are more important because the insulin spike signals your muscles to start building. Protein should still be about .85 grams per pound of body weight however majority of caps should come from carbs.
Protein is more important on cut to maintain existing mass.
Yep, I linked a body building site. As, since the main goal of those particular people seems to be more reliable for they are on stage and there careers are on the line. Some one might say Jay Cutter takes 1000 grams of carbs, and that is true but that man eats like 10k+ calories, so really is it high or moderate depending on the person. I can also say that actors who are bulking up are eating incredible sources of protein there are many you tube interviews of this. Hugh Jackman himself said he was eating 6-8 chicken breast protein shakes, not counting his other calories, or I can take the rocks diet with how much Cod that man is eating. I'm not saying carbs are not important I am just commenting on your word choice.
so your nitpicking then?
Lets rehash ..
bulking - carbs more important than protein, but make sure that you hit protein and fat minimums.
cutting - protein more important than protein.
or do you want to argue just to argue some more...
I'm not arguing, the fact is the majority of actual body builders have high protein around 200-400 grams, moderate carbs and moderate fat Of course this all comes down to total calories..
It totally makes no sense to say "protein, more protein" on cutting if you your body is supposedly only able to have so much protein. You can't have it both ways. It would be for both HIGH (the same to an extent, only going higher because of a raise of calories) in both phases, since the fundamental building block of making muscle is from protein synthesis , unless you saying you are bulking/cutting without a care to keep muscle. (aka) not weight lifting.
You keep referencing what the majority of body buildings do. It's a little ridiculous to be arguing your point here based off the validity of things body builders do (which aren't always based in science/logic/general health). I mean...it's not like body builders ever practice things that could be considered overkill or contrary to valid science, right?
This isn't at all relevant to OP. It's like coming in and telling her about the importance of getting in 2 hours of training a week on her triceps if she really wants to see results. I mean, body builders do it, right?0 -
Really, your linking to a forum as your evidence?
When bulking carbs are more important because the insulin spike signals your muscles to start building. Protein should still be about .85 grams per pound of body weight however majority of caps should come from carbs.
Protein is more important on cut to maintain existing mass.
Yep, I linked a body building site. As, since the main goal of those particular people seems to be more reliable for they are on stage and there careers are on the line. Some one might say Jay Cutter takes 1000 grams of carbs, and that is true but that man eats like 10k+ calories, so really is it high or moderate depending on the person. I can also say that actors who are bulking up are eating incredible sources of protein there are many you tube interviews of this. Hugh Jackman himself said he was eating 6-8 chicken breast protein shakes, not counting his other calories, or I can take the rocks diet with how much Cod that man is eating. I'm not saying carbs are not important I am just commenting on your word choice.
so your nitpicking then?
Lets rehash ..
bulking - carbs more important than protein, but make sure that you hit protein and fat minimums.
cutting - protein more important than protein.
or do you want to argue just to argue some more...
I'm not arguing, the fact is the majority of actual body builders have high protein around 200-400 grams, moderate carbs and moderate fat Of course this all comes down to total calories..
It totally makes no sense to say "protein, more protein" on cutting if you your body is supposedly only able to have so much protein. You can't have it both ways. It would be for both HIGH (the same to an extent, only going higher because of a raise of calories) in both phases, since the fundamental building block of making muscle is from protein synthesis , unless you saying you are bulking/cutting without a care to keep muscle. (aka) not weight lifting.
You do understand that the MAJORITY of bodybuilders are using anabolic steroids, right?
So, your thought process is because they take a steroid they automatically take more protein? I just want to clarify this. Do you also think because they take the steroid they don't have to lift weights too?
Yes.
And of course they have to lift weights. That isn't part of the discussion....stop moving the goal post sir.0
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