Dairy? Yes or No

bekko57

i am hearing lots of things lately about dairy and how our body's don't need it.. Linking it to cancer? If so, why do pediatrician still recommend that kids drink milk when they can get more calcium from almond milk?

RodaRose

Cow milk has much more protein than almond milk does.

yarwell

Decades of use of cow's milk vs very limited experience of milk substitutes ?

echmainfit619

Yes.

pkw58

Everything is bad/good for you. I have dairy every day. Not gallons of it, but I probably have yogurt or cream in my coffee or ounce or two of cheese or cottage cheese .. not all at once, probably 1 to 3 servings a day.

abatonfan

I prefer almond milk over cow's milk, but it's because I like the taste better and it more easily fits into my macros (I only need to take insulin for 2g of net carbs instead of 13g for 1% milk). Otherwise, I love dairy.

jgnatca

PETA campaigns against milk use for ethical reasons.

The very best food for infants (all mammals) is milk.

Nearly all the milk substitutes except for baby formula are short on protein, even if the calcium is the same.

Some adults lose the ability to break down the milk sugar, lactase.

Cancer risk???? Cite please.

sheermomentum

Pediatricians recommend it because 1. Its highly nutritious, in that it contains a wonderful balance of protein, fat and carbohydrates along with a variety of vitamins and minerals, and 2. There is no reliable consistent evidence linking it with cancer. There are isolated studies here and there that have suggested there may be a link, and there are more studies showing the opposite. This is pretty normal in terms of medical research. The consensus is that milk is a wonderful healthy drink that's really good for small growing bodies - and whole milk is universally recommended for toddlers, not low-fat. Any source that you read saying otherwise should be questioned in a seriously skeptical manner. Neither milk itself nor rBST (which is rarely found in the milk supply anyway) should be a source of concern).

RuNaRoUnDaFiEld

Nothing could stop me eating cottage cheese lol

cwolfman13

stop reading a bunch of woo.

Jruzer

Here in Wisconsin we have a minimum legal intake of dairy per day.

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ninerbuff

Dairy ISN'T needed in the diet............that's true. But I'll be damned if I give up yogurt, cheese and ICE CREAM. As for cancer.............you can get it from sunlight, a cell phone, breathing in smog, etc.

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bekko57

I do not have any sources and am no means against dairy. My kids consume tons of milk. Some of my fitness friends have been telling me this as well as my chiropractor but I am yet to see or read an article where they are getting their info so I thought this would be the best place to ask. I appreciate all the POLITE responses.. Just a mom making sure I am doing the right thing for my children.

zdyb23456

I have three kids, my Dr says milk for the reasons another post mentioned. Fat, protein, calcium. When my third kid refused to drink milk, I was worried until he told me as long as she is getting those from other sources she is fine. Primarily fat since little kids brain development requires fat in their diet.

bekko57

Jgnatca, yes I agree that milk is the very best food for infants (all mammals)... But mammals drink their mother's milk not cow's milk. We are the only mammal (and I am sure somebody will correct me if I am wrong) that drinks another animal's milk.

kshama2001

I do eat dairy, but the milk comes from small family farms where the cows are well treated.

Is your milk and cheese the product of blatant animal cruelty?

Every time Mercy For Animals’ undercover investigators go behind the closed doors of dairy factory farms they document widespread acts of animal abuse that shock and horrify most people. Multiple investigations at dairy factory farms across the country have exposed sickening cruelty to animals, including workers viciously beating, stabbing, and dragging sick and injured cows. These investigations have uncovered:

Read more: http://www.gotmisery.com

kshama2001

http://milk.procon.org/view.resource.php?resourceID=000661

juggernaut1974

bekko57 wrote: »

I do not have any sources and am no means against dairy. My kids consume tons of milk. Some of my fitness friends have been telling me this as well as my chiropractor but I am yet to see or read an article where they are getting their info so I thought this would be the best place to ask. I appreciate all the POLITE responses.. Just a mom making sure I am doing the right thing for my children.

I'm glad you decided to ask and not just take someone's word for it.

Although there certainly are exceptions, "fitness friends" and "chiropractors" are honestly two of the last groups of people I would ever get dietary/nutrition advice from. In my experience there is a disproportionately high percentage of woo and fad diet promoters among those groups.

As many have said, unless you're lactose intolerant or have another medical issue that dairy may not be compatible with, there's no legitimate reason to give it up. That said, like all foods, moderation is best...

kiela64

I've been hearing a lot about how milk is not good for you/possibly bad. What I'm mostly trusting, however, are seemingly well-researched videos, like this one from a medical researcher who includes sources at the bottom. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzyFZcuHmeI

And this one, also based in research:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlaHsmJdwWw

It honestly stresses me out because I consume a lot of dairy It's something I'm planning on working on, once I have a better handle on other nutritional issues.

bekko57

kae612 wrote: »

I've been hearing a lot about how milk is not good for you/possibly bad. What I'm mostly trusting, however, are seemingly well-researched videos, like this one from a medical researcher who includes sources at the bottom. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzyFZcuHmeI

And this one, also based in research:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlaHsmJdwWw

It honestly stresses me out because I consume a lot of dairy It's something I'm planning on working on, once I have a better handle on other nutritional issues.

Thank you! This is the research I was looking for. I should have mentioned that my Pediatric Gastrointestinal Doctor also recommend eliminating milk after age 2.

Ninkasi

I have to have a splash of milk in my coffee. Once or twice a year I get a jones for oatmeal raisin cookies with a glass of cold milk. Ethical food production is a big thing for me so I buy my milk at a local natural foods co-op. I also love Brillat-Savarin triple-creme cheese (butterfat content 75+%, go big or go home!) but generally only have it around the holidays. Echoing ceoverturf, if you're not lactose intolerant or have any other negative side effects, enjoy in moderation like everything else.

stevencloser

kae612 wrote: »

I've been hearing a lot about how milk is not good for you/possibly bad. What I'm mostly trusting, however, are seemingly well-researched videos, like this one from a medical researcher who includes sources at the bottom. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzyFZcuHmeI

And this one, also based in research:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vlaHsmJdwWw

It honestly stresses me out because I consume a lot of dairy It's something I'm planning on working on, once I have a better handle on other nutritional issues.

Youtube videos are rarely the best source for scientific research.

kiela64

@stevencloser that is true, I was giving examples of places I heard similar things. It's my instinct to trust them because they give sources, and the first guy is a doctor. But I'm interested in hearing contradictory research for sure! It's stressed me out a lot hearing about this.

bekko57

@kae612 I agree! I posted this question because I was hoping to find that this is not true and that dairy in moderation is fine. Lots of people have stated that it is fine but what research are they basing their opinions on? I have no research either way and should probably do my own. I figured in a group like this somebody out there must have some info/research on this.

bekko57

Here's an article that was written based on tons of medical journal articles..

http://www.pcrm.org/health/diets/vegdiets/health-concerns-about-dairy-products

Lmichella1952

Think about it like this... We humans are the only species in this planet that drinks milk of other animals after childhood. We are not supposed to do this. Do some research and find out the truth.

Lourdesong

Lmichella1952 wrote: »

Think about it like this... We humans are the only species in this planet that drinks milk of other animals after childhood. We are not supposed to do this. Do some research and find out the truth.

Even if true that we are the only species that does this, which it isnt, what's the relevance?

And many cats and most if not near all dogs will happily drink cows milk, and eat yogurt, and cheese, just about any dairy product there is if offered. Even as adults.

You seem to be confusing most mammals inability to harvest milk from other species of mammals and Inability to produce various dairy products from it, with some kind of intelligible providential law on how all mammals ought to do things. 'We are not supposed to do this' says who? Why not?

kiela64

@bekko57 yeah! I need to do more research myself I guess. When I look it up, I see a lot of the "milk is bad" perspective being supported. But not much on "milk is good" other than protein and tradition.

jgnatca

The reason you don't see a lot of "milk is good" research is because all that work was done at the turn of the century (20th century). It's old knowledge.

I remember textbook pictures of peasant children, one raised with extra milk, the other not. The growth rate was markedly improved for the milk drinking child.

The picture is likely not readily found on the Internet and it is unlikely that such research would be ethical today.

jgnatca

Humans are also the only species to cook/modify our food. We also have very expensive brains, calorie wise. I believe 20% of our calories go to our brains. Expensive brains are part of our evolutionary dominance.

https://www.ted.com/talks/suzana_herculano_houzel_what_is_so_special_about_the_human_brain?language=en