Dairy? Yes or No
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Milk is good for your bones. It's good to get some kind of calcium in each day. I'm slightly allergic to milk but I'm obsessed with milk so I drink it still. When it comes to yogurt or cheese I do not consume it unfortunately....too much dairy can make you fat but dairy is not bad for you.0
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Humans are the only animals that produce and drive cars. Why?
So we can drive to our local source and buy dairy products!
Seriously though.... As with anything else diet related if you go to extremes or consider those with intolerance for certain foods just about any food group could be considered bad. In moderation and proper diet just about every food has it's place. Including dairy.0 -
No. Cow's milk is to nourish the baby cow therefore it is fattening as hell. I have also found out that i have lactose intolerant . It makes me bloated like i was 5 months pregnant!0
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IARC lists it as a potential carcinogen. The fact that you won't get it from a cellphone but people act like it causes cancer is ninerbuff's point.andrikosDE wrote: »Dairy ISN'T needed in the diet............that's true. But I'll be damned if I give up yogurt, cheese and ICE CREAM. As for cancer.............you can get it from sunlight, a cell phone, breathing in smog, etc.
Ummm... no you really can't.
Unless you're talking to your MIL 2hrs/day. Badum tss... I'll be here all day.
IARC also lists being a night shift worker as being a carcinogen. Think about that. Working at night is a carcinogen.
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The idea that milk causes cancer seems to come from The China Study which is a correlative "study" based on looking at diets in various parts of the world. It lacks scientific rigor as a claim.0
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doralim1990 wrote: »No. Cow's milk is to nourish the baby cow therefore it is fattening as hell. I have also found out that i have lactose intolerant . It makes me bloated like i was 5 months pregnant!
Whole milk can be fattening, it can also help you meet your fat macro. I choose to drink skim because I prefer the taste and I get my fat from butter and whole milk cheese (and my 1/2 &1/2 in my morning coffee).
Regarding the whole "milk is only for baby cows" thing: milk (whether it is from cows, goats, sheep, yaks, buffalo, etc) was discovered by early man to be a nutritious addition to our diets. The thing that distinguishes man from other animals is our ability to see cause and effect and use this discovery for our benefit. Some early man thought he would try milk (maybe out of curiosity, maybe out of desperation), and it was good. Man farms milk, and has for millenia, because it is beneficial to him. Most milk eaten by early man was fermented (yogurt, kefir, cheese, etc) in order to preserve it. Up until the famine, Irish peasants were considered to be among the healthiest in the world. Why? Their diet was primarily potatoes and buttermilk. Those two foods, in combination, provided a large majority of the needs of the people.
Don't drink hippo milk though, it is pink.
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doralim1990 wrote: »No. Cow's milk is to nourish the baby cow therefore it is fattening as hell. I have also found out that i have lactose intolerant . It makes me bloated like i was 5 months pregnant!
Whole milk can be fattening, it can also help you meet your fat macro. I choose to drink skim because I prefer the taste and I get my fat from butter and whole milk cheese (and my 1/2 &1/2 in my morning coffee).
Regarding the whole "milk is only for baby cows" thing: milk (whether it is from cows, goats, sheep, yaks, buffalo, etc) was discovered by early man to be a nutritious addition to our diets. The thing that distinguishes man from other animals is our ability to see cause and effect and use this discovery for our benefit. Some early man thought he would try milk (maybe out of curiosity, maybe out of desperation), and it was good. Man farms milk, and has for millenia, because it is beneficial to him. Most milk eaten by early man was fermented (yogurt, kefir, cheese, etc) in order to preserve it. Up until the famine, Irish peasants were considered to be among the healthiest in the world. Why? Their diet was primarily potatoes and buttermilk. Those two foods, in combination, provided a large majority of the needs of the people.
Don't drink hippo milk though, it is pink.
if my family's irish-immigrant-to-america stories are right, potatoes, bread and dairy (milk and butter especially) were the major calorie sources for them. The kids would get some sugar as well, in their tea, and sprinkled on bread.0 -
melimomTARDIS wrote: »doralim1990 wrote: »No. Cow's milk is to nourish the baby cow therefore it is fattening as hell. I have also found out that i have lactose intolerant . It makes me bloated like i was 5 months pregnant!
Whole milk can be fattening, it can also help you meet your fat macro. I choose to drink skim because I prefer the taste and I get my fat from butter and whole milk cheese (and my 1/2 &1/2 in my morning coffee).
Regarding the whole "milk is only for baby cows" thing: milk (whether it is from cows, goats, sheep, yaks, buffalo, etc) was discovered by early man to be a nutritious addition to our diets. The thing that distinguishes man from other animals is our ability to see cause and effect and use this discovery for our benefit. Some early man thought he would try milk (maybe out of curiosity, maybe out of desperation), and it was good. Man farms milk, and has for millenia, because it is beneficial to him. Most milk eaten by early man was fermented (yogurt, kefir, cheese, etc) in order to preserve it. Up until the famine, Irish peasants were considered to be among the healthiest in the world. Why? Their diet was primarily potatoes and buttermilk. Those two foods, in combination, provided a large majority of the needs of the people.
Don't drink hippo milk though, it is pink.
if my family's irish-immigrant-to-america stories are right, potatoes, bread and dairy (milk and butter especially) were the major calorie sources for them. The kids would get some sugar as well, in their tea, and sprinkled on bread.
That was typical of the Irish peasants (although bread wasn't as common because of the lack of land to grow wheat and the cost to purchase it), which is why the potato failure in the mid 1800's was so devastating. They ate that out of necessity, but it turned out to be more healthy than the primarily grain based diets of other European peasants. Scottish peasants didn't do too bad either with the oat and milk based diets they lived on. Long live the oat!
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melimomTARDIS wrote: »doralim1990 wrote: »No. Cow's milk is to nourish the baby cow therefore it is fattening as hell. I have also found out that i have lactose intolerant . It makes me bloated like i was 5 months pregnant!
Whole milk can be fattening, it can also help you meet your fat macro. I choose to drink skim because I prefer the taste and I get my fat from butter and whole milk cheese (and my 1/2 &1/2 in my morning coffee).
Regarding the whole "milk is only for baby cows" thing: milk (whether it is from cows, goats, sheep, yaks, buffalo, etc) was discovered by early man to be a nutritious addition to our diets. The thing that distinguishes man from other animals is our ability to see cause and effect and use this discovery for our benefit. Some early man thought he would try milk (maybe out of curiosity, maybe out of desperation), and it was good. Man farms milk, and has for millenia, because it is beneficial to him. Most milk eaten by early man was fermented (yogurt, kefir, cheese, etc) in order to preserve it. Up until the famine, Irish peasants were considered to be among the healthiest in the world. Why? Their diet was primarily potatoes and buttermilk. Those two foods, in combination, provided a large majority of the needs of the people.
Don't drink hippo milk though, it is pink.
if my family's irish-immigrant-to-america stories are right, potatoes, bread and dairy (milk and butter especially) were the major calorie sources for them. The kids would get some sugar as well, in their tea, and sprinkled on bread.
That was typical of the Irish peasants (although bread wasn't as common because of the lack of land to grow wheat and the cost to purchase it), which is why the potato failure in the mid 1800's was so devastating. They ate that out of necessity, but it turned out to be more healthy than the primarily grain based diets of other European peasants. Scottish peasants didn't do too bad either with the oat and milk based diets they lived on. Long live the oat!
And so we get Samuel Johnson's definition of "oat": "a grain, which in England is generally given to horses, but in Scotland supports the people."0 -
Lmichella1952 wrote: »Think about it like this... We humans are the only species in this planet that drinks milk of other animals after childhood.
We are the only species that plants and eats broccoli too. Or makes Cheetos.
Think about that.
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I'm obsessed with cheese so it's definitely staying in my diet! Which is why I chose to go low carb but not Paleo.0
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doralim1990 wrote: »No. Cow's milk is to nourish the baby cow therefore it is fattening as hell. I have also found out that i have lactose intolerant . It makes me bloated like i was 5 months pregnant!
Lactose free milk works wonders. There's also lactose free cottage cheese, and ice cream, and in some places, sour cream and other products. I've found some dairy-free versions of cream cheese, ricotta cheese, and sour cream as well that I use for tacos and to make things like lasagna.
As far as cheeses, any cheese that has been aged for more than 30 days has no lactose in it.
there are lots of alternatives for those of us who are lactose intolerant.
And fat is good for you, your body needs it. Just eat foods that contain fat in moderation, just like everything else.0 -
Cow's milk is no more "fattening" than the number of calories it includes.0
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lemurcat12 wrote: »Cow's milk is no more "fattening" than the number of calories it includes.
You can say that again... but wait, I just helped you do that!
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Read Eat to Live and The China Study then decide if you want or need dairy products in your diet.0
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Cows Milk is fine if you don't mind sugar, growth hormones, antibiotics, and pus......hmmmm.......
So, I cannot eat anything processed (pre packacged, frozen, restaurant food) as these will have also something in this list. Ok, fine with this, back to the basics:
I cannot eat fruit. They have evil sugar. Fruit, out.
I cannot eat vegetables that are not certified organic. And even then, who knows if they truly are organic. Or organic milk woudl have been an option too, so no. I could grow them myself, assuming I had a big piece of land, away from other farmers who might use pesticides etc. Not very realistic, so no more vegetables.
Meat is obviously out, if dairy is out.
Fish, no way. Mercury or whatever else is in the sea these days, and of course if fish is nto wild, we are back to same problems as dairy. Fish, out.
This leaves grains, which I assume have the same problems as vegetables, not to mention a good chance of being genetically modified, so no more grains.
Hmm, now, if I could move somewhere in the wilds and live on nuts I collect myself from the forest, this might work? Or I could eat nothing? And what about water? I have no springs around, and tap water has chlorine!
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doralim1990 wrote: »No. Cow's milk is to nourish the baby cow therefore it is fattening as hell. I have also found out that i have lactose intolerant . It makes me bloated like i was 5 months pregnant!
Whole milk can be fattening, it can also help you meet your fat macro. I choose to drink skim because I prefer the taste and I get my fat from butter and whole milk cheese (and my 1/2 &1/2 in my morning coffee).
Regarding the whole "milk is only for baby cows" thing: milk (whether it is from cows, goats, sheep, yaks, buffalo, etc) was discovered by early man to be a nutritious addition to our diets. The thing that distinguishes man from other animals is our ability to see cause and effect and use this discovery for our benefit. Some early man thought he would try milk (maybe out of curiosity, maybe out of desperation), and it was good. Man farms milk, and has for millenia, because it is beneficial to him. Most milk eaten by early man was fermented (yogurt, kefir, cheese, etc) in order to preserve it. Up until the famine, Irish peasants were considered to be among the healthiest in the world. Why? Their diet was primarily potatoes and buttermilk. Those two foods, in combination, provided a large majority of the needs of the people.
Don't drink hippo milk though, it is pink.
Had to google it and now I am hurt. Your sources are not valid
http://www.jimmo.org/hippopotamus-milk-is-not-pink/
Human milk can turn too pink for the same reason (blood) by the way. Still safe to consume.
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akchildress24 wrote: »Read Eat to Live and The China Study then decide if you want or need dairy products in your diet.
And read Harry Potter if you want to decide if you want to live in the UK.
Read actual science instead of stuff people wrote to get your money.0 -
akchildress24 wrote: »Read Eat to Live and The China Study then decide if you want or need dairy products in your diet.
Vegan propaganda
And The China Study? Really?
http://rawfoodsos.com/2010/07/07/the-china-study-fact-or-fallac/0 -
stevencloser wrote: »akchildress24 wrote: »Read Eat to Live and The China Study then decide if you want or need dairy products in your diet.
And read Harry Potter if you want to decide if you want to live in the UK.
Read actual science instead of stuff people wrote to get your money.
My 8 year has just finished the 5th volume in the series and he wants to move to UK. Are you saying there is something wrong with his logic? Won't he transfer to Hogwarts school of Witchcraft if we move there?0 -
Copied and pasted from what I wrote on another thread ......
Perfectly good food for those who like it.
My advice is same as for all foods: if you like x, eat it.
If you don't like x and/or it causes you health problems, and/ or you have ethical objections to it - don' t eat it.
If you do eat It, don't eat so much that you go over your calorie allowance or so much that you are excluding other foods and not eating a balanced diet.
X = bread or any other food. ( in this case milk)
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doralim1990 wrote: »No. Cow's milk is to nourish the baby cow therefore it is fattening as hell. I have also found out that i have lactose intolerant . It makes me bloated like i was 5 months pregnant!
Whole milk can be fattening, it can also help you meet your fat macro. I choose to drink skim because I prefer the taste and I get my fat from butter and whole milk cheese (and my 1/2 &1/2 in my morning coffee).
Regarding the whole "milk is only for baby cows" thing: milk (whether it is from cows, goats, sheep, yaks, buffalo, etc) was discovered by early man to be a nutritious addition to our diets. The thing that distinguishes man from other animals is our ability to see cause and effect and use this discovery for our benefit. Some early man thought he would try milk (maybe out of curiosity, maybe out of desperation), and it was good. Man farms milk, and has for millenia, because it is beneficial to him. Most milk eaten by early man was fermented (yogurt, kefir, cheese, etc) in order to preserve it. Up until the famine, Irish peasants were considered to be among the healthiest in the world. Why? Their diet was primarily potatoes and buttermilk. Those two foods, in combination, provided a large majority of the needs of the people.
Don't drink hippo milk though, it is pink.
Had to google it and now I am hurt. Your sources are not valid
http://www.jimmo.org/hippopotamus-milk-is-not-pink/
Human milk can turn too pink for the same reason (blood) by the way. Still safe to consume.
That was a question in my Bar Trivia League (that we got wrong). I am going to protest and get our points back for this!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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akchildress24 wrote: »Read Eat to Live and The China Study then decide if you want or need dairy products in your diet.
Sorry, I would rather follow a few millennia of humans testing on themselves (and becoming healthier as a result) than a few crackpots with their special agenda.
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akchildress24 wrote: »Read Eat to Live and The China Study then decide if you want or need dairy products in your diet.
Sorry, I would rather follow a few millennia of humans testing on themselves (and becoming healthier as a result) than a few crackpots with their special agenda.
How dare you stick to reality!0 -
If you aren't intolerant to dairy....enjoy it!
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RunRutheeRun wrote: »If you aren't intolerant to dairy....enjoy it!
I'm intolerant to those who are intolerant to dairy.
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RunRutheeRun wrote: »If you aren't intolerant to dairy....enjoy it!
You can still enjoy it even if you are intolerant to dairy, as I pointed out above. This is the 21st century, after all, and we've multiple ways that people with such problems are given alternatives.0 -
RunRutheeRun wrote: »If you aren't intolerant to dairy....enjoy it!
You can still enjoy it even if you are intolerant to dairy, as I pointed out above. This is the 21st century, after all, and we've multiple ways that people with such problems are given alternatives.
Correct. The little bugs that ferment milk for us into different forms of deliciousness do all the hard work and break down lactose (a disaccharide of β-galactose and glucose) so even lactose "intolerators" can enjoy them.
If your fermented milk product contains any of these little bugs, it's lactose-intolerant safe:
Bifidobacterium breve
Bifidobacterium infantis
Bifidobacterium longum
Lactobacillus acidophilus
Lactobacillus casei
Lactobacillus bulgaricus
Lactobacillus rhamnosus
Streptococcus thermophilus
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I just couldn't imagine my life without diary. In the last 24 hours In have snacked on 100g of cottage cheese, ate garlic bread topped with cheese and had milk in my oats and milk in my cups of tea.
If I believed all the food and life style choices will give you cancer stories I'd have died 20 years ago from malnutrition!0 -
i am hearing lots of things lately about dairy and how our body's don't need it.. Linking it to cancer? If so, why do pediatrician still recommend that kids drink milk when they can get more calcium from almond milk?
Studies have linked dairy to cancer, but correlation doesn't equal causation. I would not pay these studies any mind until there is a link due to causation.
The human body is able to digest milk because of an evolutionary mutation of the lactase chromosome. Literally: the human genome was permanently altered the more our ancestors ingested milk. In this sense the people who are lactose intolerant are the 'normal' ones haha... I don't personally drink a lot of dairy because I do not agree with the mass-production industry. I don't drink almond milk either because I discovered how much water almonds need to grow (they contribute to a lot of draughts in CA!!). I'd say eat what you want, but always in moderation.0
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