So in theory you could do no exercise at all and still lose weight with a deficit
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FreezingDan wrote: »Down 70 lbs. avid cyclist. never hungry.
Down 80lbs, avid cyclist, heavy lifter, never hungry, eat a ton of carbs.0 -
FreezingDan wrote: »It's a tough pill to swallow. Here you've all been starving yourself and self-congratulating yourself because you have such good will power. Then someone comes along and pokes holes in your theory and, instead of looking at it objectively, you prefer to instantly dismiss the messenger.
Fine with me. Enjoy your starvation ritual
Yes, it's hard to not get full on 3500 calories per day...:insertsarcasm:
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FreezingDan wrote: »It's a tough pill to swallow. Here you've all been starving yourself and self-congratulating yourself because you have such good will power. Then someone comes along and pokes holes in your theory and, instead of looking at it objectively, you prefer to instantly dismiss the messenger.
Fine with me. Enjoy your starvation ritual
Yes, it's hard to not get full on 3500 calories per day...:insertsarcasm:
You got it so hard... damn
praying 4 u
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cwolfman13 wrote: »FreezingDan wrote: »It's a tough pill to swallow. Here you've all been starving yourself and self-congratulating yourself because you have such good will power. Then someone comes along and pokes holes in your theory and, instead of looking at it objectively, you prefer to instantly dismiss the messenger.
Fine with me. Enjoy your starvation ritual
you're making a huge assumption here that everyone is starving or something...i'm not...nor was I when I was losing weight.
how does eating carbs = starving?
this is why I have difficulty taking low carbers seriously....there are a couple of knowledgable ones around here, but pretty much this line of thinking seems to be the primary thinking of the low carb/keto trend....ignorance.
Well, he probably read an article in some magazine and now he thinks he has it all figured out.
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In theory? No, in reality.0
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Sorry but I don't see the point of this discussion. Why would you WANT to lose weight but not have any strength or stamina? Why would you want to risk losing whatever fitness level you have? I used to be unable to walk up a small hill, I couldn't walk more than 1/4 mi without rest and being in pain. It's not a fun place to be, so why do you want to go there? If you're not improving your fitness, strength, and stamina, you're letting it slide backwards. Believe me, I know.
SW 301
CW 196
GW 160
15 mo.
Every time I tried to add exercise I would give up because I would have trouble breathing. Once I realized that no, I don't have allergies I actually do have asthma, I was able to start getting treatment. Even then, exercise is still hard for me because my lungs still give out before the rest of me does. It took me 6 months to get to the point where I can go for what most people consider a slow walk and actually make it a couple of miles. Even that is hard if I've been having other issues.
There are also people that CAN'T exercise. My aunt is one. She's obese to the point she can barely walk, so she can't exercise. Is she doomed to stay fat? No, if she would actually agree to cut calories and watch what she eats, she'd lose weight (not that she will, but she could).
Now, I'm not saying don't ever exercise. It's good for a lot of other reasons! It's just not necessary for weight loss.0 -
FreezingDan wrote: »Yes. Just yes. Losing weight is not a math equation. It's a physiological transformation from storing fat to burning fat. The only way to burn fat is to reduce insulin levels. And the only way to that is by reducing your glycemic load.
The derp is strong with this one.
http://weightology.net/weightologyweekly/index.php/free-content/free-content/volume-1-issue-7-insulin-and-thinking-better/insulin-an-undeserved-bad-reputation/
http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2011/08/carbohydrate-hypothesis-of-obesity.html
http://wholehealthsource.blogspot.com/2015/08/a-new-human-trial-seriously-undermines.html
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First day back on the forums in like a week and a half.
What a great thread to come back to.
Never change, MFP.
***To the OP: As everyone has been saying, yes you can lose weight without exercise, you just have to make sure to track as accurately as possible, and you'd likely have a lower calorie allowance than you would if you exercised. The more active you are, the more food you get to eat - which is motivation enough for me, honestly - and the healthier your heart will be. Also, if you lift heavy, you will retain muscle throughout the process and look better in the end.***0 -
I know a woman who lost over 100 lbs, and for the first 60, she didn't exercise at all. However, I personally find that exercise helps me stay on track better with my food, and it gives me those happy endorphines that make me feel good. It also does burn a few more calories, that should add to your deficit. But it's 97% in the food.0
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Further to what Tex pointed out have deleted my post.0 -
I think he was saying it was reality, not just theory.
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I have no trouble keeping weight off, even though I am not able to exercise at all. I am in control of my weight because I understand how CICO works.0
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DeguelloTex wrote: »
I think he was saying it was reality, not just theory.
Oh I see, thanks.0 -
I have lost a lot of weight without exercise. BUT I find exercising fun and a good way to take a break from "the rest of my life". Also you can eat a bit more if you exercise and I'd rather exercise and eat more than eat less!!!0
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PinkPixiexox wrote: »Yes, you can lose weight without exercise - but I do believe that exercise will always help in the long run to maintain a healthy heart and lifestyle
Awesome post. So very much this.
(Disclaimer: my heart goes out to anyone in a wheelchair who has no chance of exercising. I wish I knew more to help you except CI<CO works.)
People in wheelchairs can exercise as well, there are plenty of youtube videos and information for wheelchair workouts. Think how fit the wheelchair athletes are or how fit generally your upper body has to be if you wheel yourself around.
I know that. I was talking about people who are in wheelchairs who can't exercise (quadriplegics). And now you've made them feel worse, most likely. Please think before posting.0 -
If you are so convinced that losing fat is simply a matter of eating at a caloric deficit then please do the following: replace all the calories in your diet with delicious Twix bars. Mmmm mmm good. What's the problem? It's the same amount of calories. By your logic, you should still lose fat. Any volunteers?0
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PinkPixiexox wrote: »Yes, you can lose weight without exercise - but I do believe that exercise will always help in the long run to maintain a healthy heart and lifestyle
Awesome post. So very much this.
(Disclaimer: my heart goes out to anyone in a wheelchair who has no chance of exercising. I wish I knew more to help you except CI<CO works.)
People in wheelchairs can exercise as well, there are plenty of youtube videos and information for wheelchair workouts. Think how fit the wheelchair athletes are or how fit generally your upper body has to be if you wheel yourself around.
I know that. I was talking about people who are in wheelchairs who can't exercise (quadriplegics). And now you've made them feel worse, most likely. Please think before posting.
Exactly. There are a lot of reasons people might not be able to exercise. I am not in a wheelchair, but I can't exercise at all. I'm not happy about it, but I can't do it.0 -
FreezingDan wrote: »If you are so convinced that losing fat is simply a matter of eating at a caloric deficit then please do the following: replace all the calories in your diet with delicious Twix bars. Mmmm mmm good. What's the problem? It's the same amount of calories. By your logic, you should still lose fat. Any volunteers?
8-10, he keeps coming back. Shows dedication.
Why not use twinkies in your experiment and go for 9 out of 10.
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FreezingDan wrote: »If you are so convinced that losing fat is simply a matter of eating at a caloric deficit then please do the following: replace all the calories in your diet with delicious Twix bars. Mmmm mmm good. What's the problem? It's the same amount of calories. By your logic, you should still lose fat. Any volunteers?
If protein and fat are king, replace your entire diet with only bacon. See how that goes for you. Your strawman is string...
And yes, you will lose fat and improve your health markers if you eat at a deficit. Google "the Twinki Diet" and see for yourself.
Science is your friend... Quackery is not. You have obviously waddled into some misinformation.
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FreezingDan wrote: »If you are so convinced that losing fat is simply a matter of eating at a caloric deficit then please do the following: replace all the calories in your diet with delicious Twix bars. Mmmm mmm good. What's the problem? It's the same amount of calories. By your logic, you should still lose fat. Any volunteers?
If you ate nothing but Twix bars in a deficit, you would indeed lose fat. You might not be very full, and your macros and micros would suffer, but you would lose weight.
Also, we don't take too kindly to strawmen around here.0 -
FreezingDan wrote: »If you are so convinced that losing fat is simply a matter of eating at a caloric deficit then please do the following: replace all the calories in your diet with delicious Twix bars. Mmmm mmm good. What's the problem? It's the same amount of calories. By your logic, you should still lose fat. Any volunteers?
It's been done with Oreos and Twinkies in controlled experiments. Weight loss ensued when eating at a deficit.0 -
brianpperkins wrote: »FreezingDan wrote: »If you are so convinced that losing fat is simply a matter of eating at a caloric deficit then please do the following: replace all the calories in your diet with delicious Twix bars. Mmmm mmm good. What's the problem? It's the same amount of calories. By your logic, you should still lose fat. Any volunteers?
It's been done with Oreos and Twinkies in controlled experiments. Weight loss ensued when eating at a deficit.brianpperkins wrote: »FreezingDan wrote: »If you are so convinced that losing fat is simply a matter of eating at a caloric deficit then please do the following: replace all the calories in your diet with delicious Twix bars. Mmmm mmm good. What's the problem? It's the same amount of calories. By your logic, you should still lose fat. Any volunteers?
It's been done with Oreos and Twinkies in controlled experiments. Weight loss ensued when eating at a deficit.
This has been done? Why wasn't I invited??
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Freezing Dan, I'd like to know where your information is coming from. The guys you bike with? A magazine? Website?0
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FreezingDan wrote: »If you are so convinced that losing fat is simply a matter of eating at a caloric deficit then please do the following: replace all the calories in your diet with delicious Twix bars. Mmmm mmm good. What's the problem? It's the same amount of calories. By your logic, you should still lose fat. Any volunteers?
Oh, the old 100% candy/cookie/cake diet argument again. I'd say you should get a hobby, but it appears you already have one.0 -
Oh I get it, you're trolling.[/quote]
THIS!0
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