Clean eating whilst calorie counting
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UltimateEscape wrote: »BecomingBane wrote: »UltimateEscape wrote: »BecomingBane wrote: »We were asking OP what their definition is, not the definition that you follow @UltimateEscape, since you are not them, you cannot speak for them nor define what they think.
Again, my point was not to be critical of the term, but to ask OP what they meant so that we could have an educated discussion that steered shy of dogma. As a vegan, I understand what clean eating means to me, but my definition does not match the one that you linked, nor do I take dietary advice from CNN who has their own financial agenda to push. Please refrain from interjecting dogmatic idealism into a conversion that is not yours so that something can be discussed outside of your own well meaning, but misguided idealism.
No, not gonna do it. If you don't like it then don't read it or respond to it. It wasn't directed at you was it?
Good to know that pseudo science and ehow has such a strong and well written advocate.
"Do you savor fresh, homemade cookies or enjoy candy when you're watching a movie? Do you drink soda or fruit-flavored drinks? These food items are all examples of empty calories. Empty calories are calories that contribute to your total caloric intake, but supply little or no nutritional value."
What Are Empty Calories? - Definition & Foods
http://study.com/academy/lesson/what-are-empty-calories-definition-foods.html
all calories provide energy; hence, they can never be "empty". however, not all calories are nutritionally the same, and no one is claiming they are.0 -
MFP could really do with an ignore feature.0
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"Empty-calorie" is a fairly specific term. It refers to foods that contribute energy, but lack vitamins, minerals and protein.brianpperkins wrote: »UltimateEscape wrote: »BecomingBane wrote: »UltimateEscape wrote: »BecomingBane wrote: »We were asking OP what their definition is, not the definition that you follow @UltimateEscape, since you are not them, you cannot speak for them nor define what they think.
Again, my point was not to be critical of the term, but to ask OP what they meant so that we could have an educated discussion that steered shy of dogma. As a vegan, I understand what clean eating means to me, but my definition does not match the one that you linked, nor do I take dietary advice from CNN who has their own financial agenda to push. Please refrain from interjecting dogmatic idealism into a conversion that is not yours so that something can be discussed outside of your own well meaning, but misguided idealism.
No, not gonna do it. If you don't like it then don't read it or respond to it. It wasn't directed at you was it?
Good to know that pseudo science and ehow has such a strong and well written advocate.
"Do you savor fresh, homemade cookies or enjoy candy when you're watching a movie? Do you drink soda or fruit-flavored drinks? These food items are all examples of empty calories. Empty calories are calories that contribute to your total caloric intake, but supply little or no nutritional value."
What Are Empty Calories? - Definition & Foods
http://study.com/academy/lesson/what-are-empty-calories-definition-foods.html
So your definition is what some educator uses as her arbitrary meaning for the term? OK.
That's the issue with terms such as "clean" and "empty calorie" ... the meaning varies from person to person. Attempting to define "empty calorie" as lacking nutrition fails on the macronutrient level.
It's things like "clean" and "in moderation" that leads people to ask what that means, specifically...and then a variety of answers from different people on how they carry it out. Very few people do "clean" or "in moderation" the same way because everyone has different ideas, tastes and preferences.0 -
UltimateEscape wrote: »UltimateEscape wrote: »BecomingBane wrote: »UltimateEscape wrote: »BecomingBane wrote: »We were asking OP what their definition is, not the definition that you follow @UltimateEscape, since you are not them, you cannot speak for them nor define what they think.
Again, my point was not to be critical of the term, but to ask OP what they meant so that we could have an educated discussion that steered shy of dogma. As a vegan, I understand what clean eating means to me, but my definition does not match the one that you linked, nor do I take dietary advice from CNN who has their own financial agenda to push. Please refrain from interjecting dogmatic idealism into a conversion that is not yours so that something can be discussed outside of your own well meaning, but misguided idealism.
No, not gonna do it. If you don't like it then don't read it or respond to it. It wasn't directed at you was it?
Good to know that pseudo science and ehow has such a strong and well written advocate.
"Do you savor fresh, homemade cookies or enjoy candy when you're watching a movie? Do you drink soda or fruit-flavored drinks? These food items are all examples of empty calories. Empty calories are calories that contribute to your total caloric intake, but supply little or no nutritional value."
What Are Empty Calories? - Definition & Foods
http://study.com/academy/lesson/what-are-empty-calories-definition-foods.html
OP is the one whose opinion was asked about clean eating. Everyone has his or her own definition, and since OP had the original question, OP's version of it is the one we need to base our answers on, not yours. Please stop derailing the thread with your nonstop quoting of someone else's definition of the term.
"Sugar, which provides mostly empty calories that don’t boost heart health, can appear several times on an ingredient list because different forms of it have been used in different amounts. But they do add up. Other terms to beware: corn syrup, barley malt syrup, dextrose, sucrose, maltose and any word ending in “ose.” "
Source:
Johns Hopkins Medicine
http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/healthy_heart/eat_smart/quick-qas-do-you-know-how-to-read-food-labels-for-a-heart-healthy-diet
Another blog, not peer reviewed article linked by you because it meets your arbitrary definition? Interesting.
Again ... how can these calories be "empty" when providing macronutrients?0 -
"Empty-calorie" is a fairly specific term. It refers to foods that contribute energy, but lack vitamins, minerals and protein.brianpperkins wrote: »UltimateEscape wrote: »BecomingBane wrote: »UltimateEscape wrote: »BecomingBane wrote: »We were asking OP what their definition is, not the definition that you follow @UltimateEscape, since you are not them, you cannot speak for them nor define what they think.
Again, my point was not to be critical of the term, but to ask OP what they meant so that we could have an educated discussion that steered shy of dogma. As a vegan, I understand what clean eating means to me, but my definition does not match the one that you linked, nor do I take dietary advice from CNN who has their own financial agenda to push. Please refrain from interjecting dogmatic idealism into a conversion that is not yours so that something can be discussed outside of your own well meaning, but misguided idealism.
No, not gonna do it. If you don't like it then don't read it or respond to it. It wasn't directed at you was it?
Good to know that pseudo science and ehow has such a strong and well written advocate.
"Do you savor fresh, homemade cookies or enjoy candy when you're watching a movie? Do you drink soda or fruit-flavored drinks? These food items are all examples of empty calories. Empty calories are calories that contribute to your total caloric intake, but supply little or no nutritional value."
What Are Empty Calories? - Definition & Foods
http://study.com/academy/lesson/what-are-empty-calories-definition-foods.html
So your definition is what some educator uses as her arbitrary meaning for the term? OK.
That's the issue with terms such as "clean" and "empty calorie" ... the meaning varies from person to person. Attempting to define "empty calorie" as lacking nutrition fails on the macronutrient level.
It's things like "clean" and "in moderation" that leads people to ask what that means, specifically...and then a variety of answers from different people on how they carry it out. Very few people do "clean" or "in moderation" the same way because everyone has different ideas, tastes and preferences.
For those of us that do things like run or ride distances .. those calories and in the form of simple carbs are necessary. Context matters.0 -
Some calories are so empty, all they do is provide energy to sustain your life. How horrible.brianpperkins wrote: »UltimateEscape wrote: »UltimateEscape wrote: »BecomingBane wrote: »UltimateEscape wrote: »BecomingBane wrote: »We were asking OP what their definition is, not the definition that you follow @UltimateEscape, since you are not them, you cannot speak for them nor define what they think.
Again, my point was not to be critical of the term, but to ask OP what they meant so that we could have an educated discussion that steered shy of dogma. As a vegan, I understand what clean eating means to me, but my definition does not match the one that you linked, nor do I take dietary advice from CNN who has their own financial agenda to push. Please refrain from interjecting dogmatic idealism into a conversion that is not yours so that something can be discussed outside of your own well meaning, but misguided idealism.
No, not gonna do it. If you don't like it then don't read it or respond to it. It wasn't directed at you was it?
Good to know that pseudo science and ehow has such a strong and well written advocate.
"Do you savor fresh, homemade cookies or enjoy candy when you're watching a movie? Do you drink soda or fruit-flavored drinks? These food items are all examples of empty calories. Empty calories are calories that contribute to your total caloric intake, but supply little or no nutritional value."
What Are Empty Calories? - Definition & Foods
http://study.com/academy/lesson/what-are-empty-calories-definition-foods.html
OP is the one whose opinion was asked about clean eating. Everyone has his or her own definition, and since OP had the original question, OP's version of it is the one we need to base our answers on, not yours. Please stop derailing the thread with your nonstop quoting of someone else's definition of the term.
"Sugar, which provides mostly empty calories that don’t boost heart health, can appear several times on an ingredient list because different forms of it have been used in different amounts. But they do add up. Other terms to beware: corn syrup, barley malt syrup, dextrose, sucrose, maltose and any word ending in “ose.” "
Source:
Johns Hopkins Medicine
http://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/healthy_heart/eat_smart/quick-qas-do-you-know-how-to-read-food-labels-for-a-heart-healthy-diet
Another blog, not peer reviewed article linked by you because it meets your arbitrary definition? Interesting.
Again ... how can these calories be "empty" when providing macronutrients?
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No one is debating that the term clean eating is used. Just that it's used in multiple ways and we don't know which one the OP meant. Why has asking for clarification become a big thing?0 -
Do you savor fresh, homemade cookies
Fresh, homemade cookies are not empty calories. They have eggs, flour, sometimes milk, therefore they have protein, vitamins and minerals.
Reminds me of the Bill Cosby "cake for breakfast" routine. Used that as an excuse for a long time (and still do, occassionally) to have cake for breakfast.
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MFP could really do with an ignore feature.
I want to know if copypasta is "clean".
As has been stated elsewhere clean means different things to different people. I'm over getting hung up on nebulous terms.
I care about the nutrient density my food has, but I also care how much I enjoy it. I like the moderate approach while watching my intake.
It works for me.
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diannethegeek wrote: »UltimateEscape wrote: »MissJS1983 wrote: »For those that choose to clean eat whilst calorie counting. How are you getting on?
You're right to call it 'clean eating' it's also used by medical professionals. Good Luck to you!
Updated July 07, 2014.
"Do you know what the term "eating clean" means? It basically means to eat real foods, as close to the source as possible, that are free from artificial chemicals, flavoring, pesticides, and preservatives. Although no one to my knowledge has done a study on the effect of eating clean for IBS, it stands to reason that a sensitive digestive system would do better without putting foreign substances into it."
Eating Clean
By Dr. Barbara Bolen
Irritable Bowel Syndrome (IBS) Expert
No one is debating that the term clean eating is used. Just that it's used in multiple ways and we don't know which one the OP meant. Why has asking for clarification become a big thing?
And I will point out again that this derailing poster is using a pretty bizarre definition: foods with "empty calories," which in turn are defined as "foods with sugar (including all "ose" sugars, like lactose or fructose, apparently, or saturated fat)." She also claimed that she does not eat foods with cholesterol (which would include eggs and shrimp, among other things).
So I'm rather skeptical that that's what OP meant.0 -
UltimateEscape wrote: »Hi MissJS1983,
I eat clean and by that I mean, I eat a plant based whole food diet. I'm exercising and losing about 2 - 3 pounds a week. I'm not eating sugar, trans fats, saturated fats, hydrogenated fats or cholesterol. Those are dirty calories as far as I'm concerned. They're empty calories and have no nutritional value what-so-ever. If other people want to eat them they can it's their life and I don't care.
But do you care about being well informed ?
If so, check out at least cholesterol... unless you are a vegan, because then it doesn't matter as much.0 -
I think plant-based = vegan without the ethical concerns.0
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UltimateEscape wrote: »Hi MissJS1983,
I eat clean and by that I mean, I eat a plant based whole food diet. I'm exercising and losing about 2 - 3 pounds a week. I'm not eating sugar, trans fats, saturated fats, hydrogenated fats or cholesterol. Those are dirty calories as far as I'm concerned. They're empty calories and have no nutritional value what-so-ever. If other people want to eat them they can it's their life and I don't care.
How can you eat a plant based diet and avoid sugars at the same time? That means no fruits or vegetables since they include sugars. What you call "empty calories" in this post includes a wide spectrum of foods that provide a host of macro and micro nutrients ... meaning their nutrition counters your claims.0 -
I made no comment on your diet, just the fact that the term "empty-calories" has a fairly agreed upon usage.brianpperkins wrote: »
"Empty-calorie" is a fairly specific term. It refers to foods that contribute energy, but lack vitamins, minerals and protein.brianpperkins wrote: »UltimateEscape wrote: »BecomingBane wrote: »UltimateEscape wrote: »BecomingBane wrote: »We were asking OP what their definition is, not the definition that you follow @UltimateEscape, since you are not them, you cannot speak for them nor define what they think.
Again, my point was not to be critical of the term, but to ask OP what they meant so that we could have an educated discussion that steered shy of dogma. As a vegan, I understand what clean eating means to me, but my definition does not match the one that you linked, nor do I take dietary advice from CNN who has their own financial agenda to push. Please refrain from interjecting dogmatic idealism into a conversion that is not yours so that something can be discussed outside of your own well meaning, but misguided idealism.
No, not gonna do it. If you don't like it then don't read it or respond to it. It wasn't directed at you was it?
Good to know that pseudo science and ehow has such a strong and well written advocate.
"Do you savor fresh, homemade cookies or enjoy candy when you're watching a movie? Do you drink soda or fruit-flavored drinks? These food items are all examples of empty calories. Empty calories are calories that contribute to your total caloric intake, but supply little or no nutritional value."
What Are Empty Calories? - Definition & Foods
http://study.com/academy/lesson/what-are-empty-calories-definition-foods.html
So your definition is what some educator uses as her arbitrary meaning for the term? OK.
That's the issue with terms such as "clean" and "empty calorie" ... the meaning varies from person to person. Attempting to define "empty calorie" as lacking nutrition fails on the macronutrient level.
It's things like "clean" and "in moderation" that leads people to ask what that means, specifically...and then a variety of answers from different people on how they carry it out. Very few people do "clean" or "in moderation" the same way because everyone has different ideas, tastes and preferences.
For those of us that do things like run or ride distances .. those calories and in the form of simple carbs are necessary. Context matters.
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I made no comment on your diet, just the fact that the term "empty-calories" has a fairly agreed upon usage.brianpperkins wrote: »
"Empty-calorie" is a fairly specific term. It refers to foods that contribute energy, but lack vitamins, minerals and protein.brianpperkins wrote: »UltimateEscape wrote: »BecomingBane wrote: »UltimateEscape wrote: »BecomingBane wrote: »We were asking OP what their definition is, not the definition that you follow @UltimateEscape, since you are not them, you cannot speak for them nor define what they think.
Again, my point was not to be critical of the term, but to ask OP what they meant so that we could have an educated discussion that steered shy of dogma. As a vegan, I understand what clean eating means to me, but my definition does not match the one that you linked, nor do I take dietary advice from CNN who has their own financial agenda to push. Please refrain from interjecting dogmatic idealism into a conversion that is not yours so that something can be discussed outside of your own well meaning, but misguided idealism.
No, not gonna do it. If you don't like it then don't read it or respond to it. It wasn't directed at you was it?
Good to know that pseudo science and ehow has such a strong and well written advocate.
"Do you savor fresh, homemade cookies or enjoy candy when you're watching a movie? Do you drink soda or fruit-flavored drinks? These food items are all examples of empty calories. Empty calories are calories that contribute to your total caloric intake, but supply little or no nutritional value."
What Are Empty Calories? - Definition & Foods
http://study.com/academy/lesson/what-are-empty-calories-definition-foods.html
So your definition is what some educator uses as her arbitrary meaning for the term? OK.
That's the issue with terms such as "clean" and "empty calorie" ... the meaning varies from person to person. Attempting to define "empty calorie" as lacking nutrition fails on the macronutrient level.
It's things like "clean" and "in moderation" that leads people to ask what that means, specifically...and then a variety of answers from different people on how they carry it out. Very few people do "clean" or "in moderation" the same way because everyone has different ideas, tastes and preferences.
For those of us that do things like run or ride distances .. those calories and in the form of simple carbs are necessary. Context matters.
A usage that requires viewing foods at the macronutrient level.0 -
YUltimateEscape wrote: »BecomingBane wrote: »UltimateEscape wrote: »BecomingBane wrote: »We were asking OP what their definition is, not the definition that you follow @UltimateEscape, since you are not them, you cannot speak for them nor define what they think.
Again, my point was not to be critical of the term, but to ask OP what they meant so that we could have an educated discussion that steered shy of dogma. As a vegan, I understand what clean eating means to me, but my definition does not match the one that you linked, nor do I take dietary advice from CNN who has their own financial agenda to push. Please refrain from interjecting dogmatic idealism into a conversion that is not yours so that something can be discussed outside of your own well meaning, but misguided idealism.
No, not gonna do it. If you don't like it then don't read it or respond to it. It wasn't directed at you was it?
Good to know that pseudo science and ehow has such a strong and well written advocate.
"Do you savor fresh, homemade cookies or enjoy candy when you're watching a movie? Do you drink soda or fruit-flavored drinks? These food items are all examples of empty calories. Empty calories are calories that contribute to your total caloric intake, but supply little or no nutritional value."
What Are Empty Calories? - Definition & Foods
http://study.com/academy/lesson/what-are-empty-calories-definition-foods.html
all calories provide energy; hence, they can never be "empty". however, not all calories are nutritionally the same, and no one is claiming they are.
You are somewhat mistaken. The definition of an " empty calorie " was established by the medical community more than 50 years ago to mean that the calorie is " empty " of any nutritional value, while at the same time it has energetic value. This definition has been accepted world wide.
This is why we now use the term " malnourished " in most developed countries. Among health professionals it means that people and especially children get enough energy calories to more than survive, but are basically unhealthy, because a great part of their diet is made up of " empty " ( nutritionally empty, but with energy to function ) calories. While empty calories sustain life, they do nothing for health.0 -
[qI made no comment on your diet, just the fact that the term "empty-calories" has a fairly agreed upon usage.
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A usage that requires viewing foods at the macronutrient level. [/quote]
You are absolutely correct, because at what level would you otherwise want to look at a calorie when we talk about health and nutrition ?
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YUltimateEscape wrote: »BecomingBane wrote: »UltimateEscape wrote: »BecomingBane wrote: »We were asking OP what their definition is, not the definition that you follow @UltimateEscape, since you are not them, you cannot speak for them nor define what they think.
Again, my point was not to be critical of the term, but to ask OP what they meant so that we could have an educated discussion that steered shy of dogma. As a vegan, I understand what clean eating means to me, but my definition does not match the one that you linked, nor do I take dietary advice from CNN who has their own financial agenda to push. Please refrain from interjecting dogmatic idealism into a conversion that is not yours so that something can be discussed outside of your own well meaning, but misguided idealism.
No, not gonna do it. If you don't like it then don't read it or respond to it. It wasn't directed at you was it?
Good to know that pseudo science and ehow has such a strong and well written advocate.
"Do you savor fresh, homemade cookies or enjoy candy when you're watching a movie? Do you drink soda or fruit-flavored drinks? These food items are all examples of empty calories. Empty calories are calories that contribute to your total caloric intake, but supply little or no nutritional value."
What Are Empty Calories? - Definition & Foods
http://study.com/academy/lesson/what-are-empty-calories-definition-foods.html
all calories provide energy; hence, they can never be "empty". however, not all calories are nutritionally the same, and no one is claiming they are.
You are somewhat mistaken. The definition of an " empty calorie " was established by the medical community more than 50 years ago to mean that the calorie is " empty " of any nutritional value, while at the same time it has energetic value. This definition has been accepted world wide.
This is why we now use the term " malnourished " in most developed countries. Among health professionals it means that people and especially children get enough energy calories to more than survive, but are basically unhealthy, because a great part of their diet is made up of " empty " ( nutritionally empty, but with energy to function ) calories. While empty calories sustain life, they do nothing for health.
A calorie cannot be devoid of nutrition. The calories most often referred to as "empty" come from carbohydrate ... a macronutrient.0 -
brianpperkins wrote: »
I made no comment on your diet, just the fact that the term "empty-calories" has a fairly agreed upon usage.brianpperkins wrote: »
"Empty-calorie" is a fairly specific term. It refers to foods that contribute energy, but lack vitamins, minerals and protein.brianpperkins wrote: »UltimateEscape wrote: »BecomingBane wrote: »UltimateEscape wrote: »BecomingBane wrote: »We were asking OP what their definition is, not the definition that you follow @UltimateEscape, since you are not them, you cannot speak for them nor define what they think.
Again, my point was not to be critical of the term, but to ask OP what they meant so that we could have an educated discussion that steered shy of dogma. As a vegan, I understand what clean eating means to me, but my definition does not match the one that you linked, nor do I take dietary advice from CNN who has their own financial agenda to push. Please refrain from interjecting dogmatic idealism into a conversion that is not yours so that something can be discussed outside of your own well meaning, but misguided idealism.
No, not gonna do it. If you don't like it then don't read it or respond to it. It wasn't directed at you was it?
Good to know that pseudo science and ehow has such a strong and well written advocate.
"Do you savor fresh, homemade cookies or enjoy candy when you're watching a movie? Do you drink soda or fruit-flavored drinks? These food items are all examples of empty calories. Empty calories are calories that contribute to your total caloric intake, but supply little or no nutritional value."
What Are Empty Calories? - Definition & Foods
http://study.com/academy/lesson/what-are-empty-calories-definition-foods.html
So your definition is what some educator uses as her arbitrary meaning for the term? OK.
That's the issue with terms such as "clean" and "empty calorie" ... the meaning varies from person to person. Attempting to define "empty calorie" as lacking nutrition fails on the macronutrient level.
It's things like "clean" and "in moderation" that leads people to ask what that means, specifically...and then a variety of answers from different people on how they carry it out. Very few people do "clean" or "in moderation" the same way because everyone has different ideas, tastes and preferences.
For those of us that do things like run or ride distances .. those calories and in the form of simple carbs are necessary. Context matters.
A usage that requires viewing foods at the macronutrient level.brianpperkins wrote: »
I made no comment on your diet, just the fact that the term "empty-calories" has a fairly agreed upon usage.brianpperkins wrote: »
"Empty-calorie" is a fairly specific term. It refers to foods that contribute energy, but lack vitamins, minerals and protein.brianpperkins wrote: »UltimateEscape wrote: »BecomingBane wrote: »UltimateEscape wrote: »BecomingBane wrote: »We were asking OP what their definition is, not the definition that you follow @UltimateEscape, since you are not them, you cannot speak for them nor define what they think.
Again, my point was not to be critical of the term, but to ask OP what they meant so that we could have an educated discussion that steered shy of dogma. As a vegan, I understand what clean eating means to me, but my definition does not match the one that you linked, nor do I take dietary advice from CNN who has their own financial agenda to push. Please refrain from interjecting dogmatic idealism into a conversion that is not yours so that something can be discussed outside of your own well meaning, but misguided idealism.
No, not gonna do it. If you don't like it then don't read it or respond to it. It wasn't directed at you was it?
Good to know that pseudo science and ehow has such a strong and well written advocate.
"Do you savor fresh, homemade cookies or enjoy candy when you're watching a movie? Do you drink soda or fruit-flavored drinks? These food items are all examples of empty calories. Empty calories are calories that contribute to your total caloric intake, but supply little or no nutritional value."
What Are Empty Calories? - Definition & Foods
http://study.com/academy/lesson/what-are-empty-calories-definition-foods.html
So your definition is what some educator uses as her arbitrary meaning for the term? OK.
That's the issue with terms such as "clean" and "empty calorie" ... the meaning varies from person to person. Attempting to define "empty calorie" as lacking nutrition fails on the macronutrient level.
It's things like "clean" and "in moderation" that leads people to ask what that means, specifically...and then a variety of answers from different people on how they carry it out. Very few people do "clean" or "in moderation" the same way because everyone has different ideas, tastes and preferences.
For those of us that do things like run or ride distances .. those calories and in the form of simple carbs are necessary. Context matters.
A usage that requires viewing foods at the macronutrient level.
No, it doesn't. It just means what it means. It's not a judgement. It's not personal. It's no different than saying "high-protein" or "low-fat." It's just descriptive.
It doesn't matter whether you eat them, how many of them you eat or if you eat none of them. They remain what they are.
I don't know why that quoted twice, but it was an accident and not a comment, like I wanted to reply twice, lol. I'm too lazy to delete all that.0 -
brianpperkins wrote: »
"Empty-calorie" is a fairly specific term. It refers to foods that contribute energy, but lack vitamins, minerals and protein.brianpperkins wrote: »UltimateEscape wrote: »BecomingBane wrote: »UltimateEscape wrote: »BecomingBane wrote: »We were asking OP what their definition is, not the definition that you follow @UltimateEscape, since you are not them, you cannot speak for them nor define what they think.
Again, my point was not to be critical of the term, but to ask OP what they meant so that we could have an educated discussion that steered shy of dogma. As a vegan, I understand what clean eating means to me, but my definition does not match the one that you linked, nor do I take dietary advice from CNN who has their own financial agenda to push. Please refrain from interjecting dogmatic idealism into a conversion that is not yours so that something can be discussed outside of your own well meaning, but misguided idealism.
No, not gonna do it. If you don't like it then don't read it or respond to it. It wasn't directed at you was it?
Good to know that pseudo science and ehow has such a strong and well written advocate.
"Do you savor fresh, homemade cookies or enjoy candy when you're watching a movie? Do you drink soda or fruit-flavored drinks? These food items are all examples of empty calories. Empty calories are calories that contribute to your total caloric intake, but supply little or no nutritional value."
What Are Empty Calories? - Definition & Foods
http://study.com/academy/lesson/what-are-empty-calories-definition-foods.html
So your definition is what some educator uses as her arbitrary meaning for the term? OK.
That's the issue with terms such as "clean" and "empty calorie" ... the meaning varies from person to person. Attempting to define "empty calorie" as lacking nutrition fails on the macronutrient level.
It's things like "clean" and "in moderation" that leads people to ask what that means, specifically...and then a variety of answers from different people on how they carry it out. Very few people do "clean" or "in moderation" the same way because everyone has different ideas, tastes and preferences.
For those of us that do things like run or ride distances .. those calories and in the form of simple carbs are necessary. Context matters.
Yes, as an avid runner, I agree with this, so no calories are empty for me. I need my carb loads in order to properly fuel my body for the running I do and love so much.0 -
I eat a wild variety of foods. I refuse to classify foods as clean or dirty.
I do count calories though. I look to meet my daily macro goals. I eat back my exercise calories. I lost 60 lbs. I've been in maintenance for about 2 months now.
So, clean....dirty....don't care, I just care about finding a way of eating that brings me success.
This is the same with me, whereas at one time I ate a severely restricted diet. There were good foods and bad foods, foods that helped me shed weight and foods that helped me gain weight. I ate minimal processed foods and a lot of whole foods on a vegetarian diet that kept me pretty darned hungry, and I gained weight. I love that I eat everything in moderation and am able to maintain my weight after losing 40 plus pounds. It's amazing to me.
@diannethegeek, your list of clean eating definitions is amazing because it shows how many ways there are to look at this concept of clean eating.
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YUltimateEscape wrote: »BecomingBane wrote: »UltimateEscape wrote: »BecomingBane wrote: »We were asking OP what their definition is, not the definition that you follow @UltimateEscape, since you are not them, you cannot speak for them nor define what they think.
Again, my point was not to be critical of the term, but to ask OP what they meant so that we could have an educated discussion that steered shy of dogma. As a vegan, I understand what clean eating means to me, but my definition does not match the one that you linked, nor do I take dietary advice from CNN who has their own financial agenda to push. Please refrain from interjecting dogmatic idealism into a conversion that is not yours so that something can be discussed outside of your own well meaning, but misguided idealism.
No, not gonna do it. If you don't like it then don't read it or respond to it. It wasn't directed at you was it?
Good to know that pseudo science and ehow has such a strong and well written advocate.
"Do you savor fresh, homemade cookies or enjoy candy when you're watching a movie? Do you drink soda or fruit-flavored drinks? These food items are all examples of empty calories. Empty calories are calories that contribute to your total caloric intake, but supply little or no nutritional value."
What Are Empty Calories? - Definition & Foods
http://study.com/academy/lesson/what-are-empty-calories-definition-foods.html
all calories provide energy; hence, they can never be "empty". however, not all calories are nutritionally the same, and no one is claiming they are.
You are somewhat mistaken. The definition of an " empty calorie " was established by the medical community more than 50 years ago to mean that the calorie is " empty " of any nutritional value, while at the same time it has energetic value. This definition has been accepted world wide.
This is why we now use the term " malnourished " in most developed countries. Among health professionals it means that people and especially children get enough energy calories to more than survive, but are basically unhealthy, because a great part of their diet is made up of " empty " ( nutritionally empty, but with energy to function ) calories. While empty calories sustain life, they do nothing for health.
Sorry, you are mistaken. Something that provides energy can't be empty.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »I think plant-based = vegan without the ethical concerns.
Well, I think that plant-based vegans are just more health conscious than vegans who eat "junk".
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Gianfranco_R wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »I think plant-based = vegan without the ethical concerns.
Well, I think that plant-based vegans are just more health conscious than vegans who eat "junk".
All vegans are "plant-based," but not all "plant-based" are vegans. Has nothing to do with "junk."
Seriously, unless I'm understanding the terms incorrectly, doesn't "vegan" refer to someone who gives up all animal products and (in theory) use of animals due to ethical reasons? "Plant based" merely means someone who doesn't eat animals or animal products like eggs and dairy, often for health reasons.0 -
Is this your way of not criticizing? It seems to me if you want the OP to respond it'd help to quote them and attach it to your first post.BecomingBane wrote: »UltimateEscape wrote: »BecomingBane wrote: »We were asking OP what their definition is, not the definition that you follow @UltimateEscape, since you are not them, you cannot speak for them nor define what they think.
Again, my point was not to be critical of the term, but to ask OP what they meant so that we could have an educated discussion that steered shy of dogma. As a vegan, I understand what clean eating means to me, but my definition does not match the one that you linked, nor do I take dietary advice from CNN who has their own financial agenda to push. Please refrain from interjecting dogmatic idealism into a conversion that is not yours so that something can be discussed outside of your own well meaning, but misguided idealism.
No, not gonna do it. If you don't like it then don't read it or respond to it. It wasn't directed at you was it?
Good to know that pseudo science and ehow has such a strong and well written advocate.0 -
lemurcat12 wrote: »Gianfranco_R wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »I think plant-based = vegan without the ethical concerns.
Well, I think that plant-based vegans are just more health conscious than vegans who eat "junk".
All vegans are "plant-based," but not all "plant-based" are vegans. Has nothing to do with "junk."
Seriously, unless I'm understanding the terms incorrectly, doesn't "vegan" refer to someone who gives up all animal products and (in theory) use of animals due to ethical reasons? "Plant based" merely means someone who doesn't eat animals or animal products like eggs and dairy, often for health reasons.
I was referring to the approach of T.Colin Campell:
http://nutritionstudies.org/ and the like.
For the rest you are right, also paleo can be "plant-based":
http://www.humansarenotbroken.com/about/plant-paleo/
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UltimateEscape wrote: »"The key to eating clean is to base your diet on foods that are as natural and unprocessed as possible. That means having a whole apple instead of sweetened applesauce, old-fashioned rolled oats instead of instant oatmeal and organic, grass-fed steak instead of a fast-food burger. By eating clean, you'll consume less saturated fat, trans fats, sodium and sugar and more fiber, heart-healthy mono- and polyunsaturated fats, vitamins, minerals and antioxidant phytochemicals. You'll most likely enhance your health and lose weight."
Source:
How to Eat Clean
http://www.ehow.com/how_2049770_eat-clean.html
I agree with your definition, but would add that removing certain allergens from food (dairy, eggs, gluten, etc) is also beneficial as what is left is usually simple but healthy lean meat, fish and vegetables. All allergens are not bad, but eating less processed foods is key. BTW, I just tried Fage 0% Greek yogurt as part of my low fat eating plan; very good when mixed with fruit and super high in protein!0 -
Vegans are people who are against harming animals in any way. They don't eat any food that was made using any animal product (though a few might eat honey, if the bees were not manipulated into making it, but the bees have almost always been manipulated into making it, so it's not a thing, really) or use animal products (like leather) and don't support companies that test on animals if they can help it. To them, it is a matter of principle and a lifestyle, not a diet. The diet is just one part of their support and dedication to the animals.lemurcat12 wrote: »Gianfranco_R wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »I think plant-based = vegan without the ethical concerns.
Well, I think that plant-based vegans are just more health conscious than vegans who eat "junk".
All vegans are "plant-based," but not all "plant-based" are vegans. Has nothing to do with "junk."
Seriously, unless I'm understanding the terms incorrectly, doesn't "vegan" refer to someone who gives up all animal products and (in theory) use of animals due to ethical reasons? "Plant based" merely means someone who doesn't eat animals or animal products like eggs and dairy, often for health reasons.
People who don't eat food made with any animal product but do this as a dietary choice would be referred to (by the vegans) as "eating a plant-based diet" but not as vegans.
Some people who eat plant-based diets as a dietary choice call themselves "vegan" but the vegans, obviously, would say they weren't.
It's hard to know, when someone says they're a vegan, if they are. A big clue is when they say, "I eat a vegan diet," because actual vegans usually just say that they're vegan. To them, it's what they are, not what they do.
All vegans are eating plant-based diets. All plant-based diet eaters are not vegan.0 -
UltimateEscape wrote: »"The key to eating clean is to base your diet on foods that are as natural and unprocessed as possible. That means having a whole apple instead of sweetened applesauce, old-fashioned rolled oats instead of instant oatmeal and organic, grass-fed steak instead of a fast-food burger. By eating clean, you'll consume less saturated fat, trans fats, sodium and sugar and more fiber, heart-healthy mono- and polyunsaturated fats, vitamins, minerals and antioxidant phytochemicals. You'll most likely enhance your health and lose weight."
Source:
How to Eat Clean
http://www.ehow.com/how_2049770_eat-clean.html
I agree with your definition, but would add that removing certain allergens from food (dairy, eggs, gluten, etc) is also beneficial as what is left is usually simple but healthy lean meat, fish and vegetables. All allergens are not bad, but eating less processed foods is key. BTW, I just tried Fage 0% Greek yogurt as part of my low fat eating plan; very good when mixed with fruit and super high in protein!
I don't understand how clean-eaters can use the "processed food" standard in one sentence and then immediately reference a processed food that they eat. How do you justify that discrepancy internally?0
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