Clean eating whilst calorie counting
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lemurcat12 wrote: »Gianfranco_R wrote: »lemurcat12 wrote: »I think plant-based = vegan without the ethical concerns.
Well, I think that plant-based vegans are just more health conscious than vegans who eat "junk".
All vegans are "plant-based," but not all "plant-based" are vegans. Has nothing to do with "junk."
Seriously, unless I'm understanding the terms incorrectly, doesn't "vegan" refer to someone who gives up all animal products and (in theory) use of animals due to ethical reasons? "Plant based" merely means someone who doesn't eat animals or animal products like eggs and dairy, often for health reasons.
Vegans are people who are against harming animals in any way. They don't eat any food that was made using any animal product (though a few might eat honey, if the bees were not manipulated into making it, but the bees have almost always been manipulated into making it, so it's not a thing, really) or use animal products (like leather) and don't support companies that test on animals if they can help it. To them, it is a matter of principle and a lifestyle, not a diet. The diet is just one part of their support and dedication to the animals.
People who don't eat food made with any animal product but do this as a dietary choice would be referred to (by the vegans) as "eating a plant-based diet" but not as vegans.
Some people who eat plant-based diets as a dietary choice call themselves "vegan" but the vegans, obviously, would say they weren't.
It's hard to know, when someone says they're a vegan, if they are. A big clue is when they say, "I eat a vegan diet," because actual vegans usually just say that they're vegan. To them, it's what they are, not what they do.
All vegans are eating plant-based diets. All plant-based diet eaters are not vegan.
Right, this is basically my understanding, although I think there's more of a split on honey (based on vegans I know and what they've told me).0 -
tincanonastring wrote: »UltimateEscape wrote: »"The key to eating clean is to base your diet on foods that are as natural and unprocessed as possible. That means having a whole apple instead of sweetened applesauce, old-fashioned rolled oats instead of instant oatmeal and organic, grass-fed steak instead of a fast-food burger. By eating clean, you'll consume less saturated fat, trans fats, sodium and sugar and more fiber, heart-healthy mono- and polyunsaturated fats, vitamins, minerals and antioxidant phytochemicals. You'll most likely enhance your health and lose weight."
Source:
How to Eat Clean
http://www.ehow.com/how_2049770_eat-clean.html
I agree with your definition, but would add that removing certain allergens from food (dairy, eggs, gluten, etc) is also beneficial as what is left is usually simple but healthy lean meat, fish and vegetables. All allergens are not bad, but eating less processed foods is key. BTW, I just tried Fage 0% Greek yogurt as part of my low fat eating plan; very good when mixed with fruit and super high in protein!
I don't understand how clean-eaters can use the "processed food" standard in one sentence and then immediately reference a processed food that they eat. How do you justify that discrepancy internally?
You know, I've decided to just accept that "clean eating" is defined about 100 different ways, and not worry about the fact that someone claims to "eat clean" but eats bacon or greek yogurt (from the store) or whatever. Broader definition of "clean," not a term I like or understand the enthusiasm for, but really whatever. It's so commonplace people just pick it up and think it means "eating healthy" or various other possibilities.
What I continue to find mystifying is how people say, often in the same sentence, "I don't eat processed foods, I eat [insert processed food here]." Which is basically what you are talking about, of course. ;-)0 -
UltimateEscape wrote: »"The key to eating clean is to base your diet on foods that are as natural and unprocessed as possible. That means having a whole apple instead of sweetened applesauce, old-fashioned rolled oats instead of instant oatmeal and organic, grass-fed steak instead of a fast-food burger. By eating clean, you'll consume less saturated fat, trans fats, sodium and sugar and more fiber, heart-healthy mono- and polyunsaturated fats, vitamins, minerals and antioxidant phytochemicals. You'll most likely enhance your health and lose weight."
Source:
How to Eat Clean
http://www.ehow.com/how_2049770_eat-clean.html
I agree with your definition, but would add that removing certain allergens from food (dairy, eggs, gluten, etc) is also beneficial as what is left is usually simple but healthy lean meat, fish and vegetables. All allergens are not bad, but eating less processed foods is key. BTW, I just tried Fage 0% Greek yogurt as part of my low fat eating plan; very good when mixed with fruit and super high in protein!
Why would allergens need to be removed from food if not everyone is allergic? I'm allergic to strawberries. Should strawberries not be available to others anymore?
Also, I'm intrigued at your comment that people should eat less processed foods and then in the very next sentence you talk about greek yogurt, which, I'm pretty sure, is processed.
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lemurcat12 wrote: »tincanonastring wrote: »UltimateEscape wrote: »"The key to eating clean is to base your diet on foods that are as natural and unprocessed as possible. That means having a whole apple instead of sweetened applesauce, old-fashioned rolled oats instead of instant oatmeal and organic, grass-fed steak instead of a fast-food burger. By eating clean, you'll consume less saturated fat, trans fats, sodium and sugar and more fiber, heart-healthy mono- and polyunsaturated fats, vitamins, minerals and antioxidant phytochemicals. You'll most likely enhance your health and lose weight."
Source:
How to Eat Clean
http://www.ehow.com/how_2049770_eat-clean.html
I agree with your definition, but would add that removing certain allergens from food (dairy, eggs, gluten, etc) is also beneficial as what is left is usually simple but healthy lean meat, fish and vegetables. All allergens are not bad, but eating less processed foods is key. BTW, I just tried Fage 0% Greek yogurt as part of my low fat eating plan; very good when mixed with fruit and super high in protein!
I don't understand how clean-eaters can use the "processed food" standard in one sentence and then immediately reference a processed food that they eat. How do you justify that discrepancy internally?
You know, I've decided to just accept that "clean eating" is defined about 100 different ways, and not worry about the fact that someone claims to "eat clean" but eats bacon or greek yogurt (from the store) or whatever. Broader definition of "clean," not a term I like or understand the enthusiasm for, but really whatever. It's so commonplace people just pick it up and think it means "eating healthy" or various other possibilities.
What I continue to find mystifying is how people say, often in the same sentence, "I don't eat processed foods, I eat [insert processed food here]." Which is basically what you are talking about, of course. ;-)
Yep. I think it's important to understand an individual's definition of clean-eating in order to participate in a discussion, even if I disagree with the concept in general. That's why it's important to ask the OP what they consider "eating clean.
My question is more to your second paragraph. I'm trying to understand the thought process behind deciding on a personal standard, e.g. don't eat processed food, and then not actually eating by that standard, e.g. Greek yogurt.0 -
Sooooooooooooooo, where *is* the OP to answer that all important question?0
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Apparently I'm a very dirty eater!!! I think there is a ton of fallacy about this clean eating stuff. Don't get derailed, while I get eating fresh and quality foods, you don't have to follow the restrictive list to be "clean".0
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brianpperkins wrote: »
"Empty-calorie" is a fairly specific term. It refers to foods that contribute energy, but lack vitamins, minerals and protein.brianpperkins wrote: »UltimateEscape wrote: »BecomingBane wrote: »UltimateEscape wrote: »BecomingBane wrote: »We were asking OP what their definition is, not the definition that you follow @UltimateEscape, since you are not them, you cannot speak for them nor define what they think.
Again, my point was not to be critical of the term, but to ask OP what they meant so that we could have an educated discussion that steered shy of dogma. As a vegan, I understand what clean eating means to me, but my definition does not match the one that you linked, nor do I take dietary advice from CNN who has their own financial agenda to push. Please refrain from interjecting dogmatic idealism into a conversion that is not yours so that something can be discussed outside of your own well meaning, but misguided idealism.
No, not gonna do it. If you don't like it then don't read it or respond to it. It wasn't directed at you was it?
Good to know that pseudo science and ehow has such a strong and well written advocate.
"Do you savor fresh, homemade cookies or enjoy candy when you're watching a movie? Do you drink soda or fruit-flavored drinks? These food items are all examples of empty calories. Empty calories are calories that contribute to your total caloric intake, but supply little or no nutritional value."
What Are Empty Calories? - Definition & Foods
http://study.com/academy/lesson/what-are-empty-calories-definition-foods.html
So your definition is what some educator uses as her arbitrary meaning for the term? OK.
That's the issue with terms such as "clean" and "empty calorie" ... the meaning varies from person to person. Attempting to define "empty calorie" as lacking nutrition fails on the macronutrient level.
It's things like "clean" and "in moderation" that leads people to ask what that means, specifically...and then a variety of answers from different people on how they carry it out. Very few people do "clean" or "in moderation" the same way because everyone has different ideas, tastes and preferences.
For those of us that do things like run or ride distances .. those calories and in the form of simple carbs are necessary. Context matters.
Yes, as an avid runner, I agree with this, so no calories are empty for me. I need my carb loads in order to properly fuel my body for the running I do and love so much.tincanonastring wrote: »UltimateEscape wrote: »"The key to eating clean is to base your diet on foods that are as natural and unprocessed as possible. That means having a whole apple instead of sweetened applesauce, old-fashioned rolled oats instead of instant oatmeal and organic, grass-fed steak instead of a fast-food burger. By eating clean, you'll consume less saturated fat, trans fats, sodium and sugar and more fiber, heart-healthy mono- and polyunsaturated fats, vitamins, minerals and antioxidant phytochemicals. You'll most likely enhance your health and lose weight."
Source:
How to Eat Clean
http://www.ehow.com/how_2049770_eat-clean.html
I agree with your definition, but would add that removing certain allergens from food (dairy, eggs, gluten, etc) is also beneficial as what is left is usually simple but healthy lean meat, fish and vegetables. All allergens are not bad, but eating less processed foods is key. BTW, I just tried Fage 0% Greek yogurt as part of my low fat eating plan; very good when mixed with fruit and super high in protein!
I don't understand how clean-eaters can use the "processed food" standard in one sentence and then immediately reference a processed food that they eat. How do you justify that discrepancy internally?
What's your example?
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Greek yogurt.tennisdude2004 wrote: »brianpperkins wrote: »
"Empty-calorie" is a fairly specific term. It refers to foods that contribute energy, but lack vitamins, minerals and protein.brianpperkins wrote: »UltimateEscape wrote: »BecomingBane wrote: »UltimateEscape wrote: »BecomingBane wrote: »We were asking OP what their definition is, not the definition that you follow @UltimateEscape, since you are not them, you cannot speak for them nor define what they think.
Again, my point was not to be critical of the term, but to ask OP what they meant so that we could have an educated discussion that steered shy of dogma. As a vegan, I understand what clean eating means to me, but my definition does not match the one that you linked, nor do I take dietary advice from CNN who has their own financial agenda to push. Please refrain from interjecting dogmatic idealism into a conversion that is not yours so that something can be discussed outside of your own well meaning, but misguided idealism.
No, not gonna do it. If you don't like it then don't read it or respond to it. It wasn't directed at you was it?
Good to know that pseudo science and ehow has such a strong and well written advocate.
"Do you savor fresh, homemade cookies or enjoy candy when you're watching a movie? Do you drink soda or fruit-flavored drinks? These food items are all examples of empty calories. Empty calories are calories that contribute to your total caloric intake, but supply little or no nutritional value."
What Are Empty Calories? - Definition & Foods
http://study.com/academy/lesson/what-are-empty-calories-definition-foods.html
So your definition is what some educator uses as her arbitrary meaning for the term? OK.
That's the issue with terms such as "clean" and "empty calorie" ... the meaning varies from person to person. Attempting to define "empty calorie" as lacking nutrition fails on the macronutrient level.
It's things like "clean" and "in moderation" that leads people to ask what that means, specifically...and then a variety of answers from different people on how they carry it out. Very few people do "clean" or "in moderation" the same way because everyone has different ideas, tastes and preferences.
For those of us that do things like run or ride distances .. those calories and in the form of simple carbs are necessary. Context matters.
Yes, as an avid runner, I agree with this, so no calories are empty for me. I need my carb loads in order to properly fuel my body for the running I do and love so much.tincanonastring wrote: »UltimateEscape wrote: »"The key to eating clean is to base your diet on foods that are as natural and unprocessed as possible. That means having a whole apple instead of sweetened applesauce, old-fashioned rolled oats instead of instant oatmeal and organic, grass-fed steak instead of a fast-food burger. By eating clean, you'll consume less saturated fat, trans fats, sodium and sugar and more fiber, heart-healthy mono- and polyunsaturated fats, vitamins, minerals and antioxidant phytochemicals. You'll most likely enhance your health and lose weight."
Source:
How to Eat Clean
http://www.ehow.com/how_2049770_eat-clean.html
I agree with your definition, but would add that removing certain allergens from food (dairy, eggs, gluten, etc) is also beneficial as what is left is usually simple but healthy lean meat, fish and vegetables. All allergens are not bad, but eating less processed foods is key. BTW, I just tried Fage 0% Greek yogurt as part of my low fat eating plan; very good when mixed with fruit and super high in protein!
I don't understand how clean-eaters can use the "processed food" standard in one sentence and then immediately reference a processed food that they eat. How do you justify that discrepancy internally?
What's your example?
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WinoGelato wrote: »UltimateEscape wrote: »"The key to eating clean is to base your diet on foods that are as natural and unprocessed as possible. That means having a whole apple instead of sweetened applesauce, old-fashioned rolled oats instead of instant oatmeal and organic, grass-fed steak instead of a fast-food burger. By eating clean, you'll consume less saturated fat, trans fats, sodium and sugar and more fiber, heart-healthy mono- and polyunsaturated fats, vitamins, minerals and antioxidant phytochemicals. You'll most likely enhance your health and lose weight."
Source:
How to Eat Clean
http://www.ehow.com/how_2049770_eat-clean.html
I agree with your definition, but would add that removing certain allergens from food (dairy, eggs, gluten, etc) is also beneficial as what is left is usually simple but healthy lean meat, fish and vegetables. All allergens are not bad, but eating less processed foods is key. BTW, I just tried Fage 0% Greek yogurt as part of my low fat eating plan; very good when mixed with fruit and super high in protein!
Why would allergens need to be removed from food if not everyone is allergic? I'm allergic to strawberries. Should strawberries not be available to others anymore?
Also, I'm intrigued at your comment that people should eat less processed foods and then in the very next sentence you talk about greek yogurt, which, I'm pretty sure, is processed.
Maybe Fage greek yogurt is picked right off the yogurt tree?0 -
tennisdude2004 wrote: »brianpperkins wrote: »
"Empty-calorie" is a fairly specific term. It refers to foods that contribute energy, but lack vitamins, minerals and protein.brianpperkins wrote: »UltimateEscape wrote: »BecomingBane wrote: »UltimateEscape wrote: »BecomingBane wrote: »We were asking OP what their definition is, not the definition that you follow @UltimateEscape, since you are not them, you cannot speak for them nor define what they think.
Again, my point was not to be critical of the term, but to ask OP what they meant so that we could have an educated discussion that steered shy of dogma. As a vegan, I understand what clean eating means to me, but my definition does not match the one that you linked, nor do I take dietary advice from CNN who has their own financial agenda to push. Please refrain from interjecting dogmatic idealism into a conversion that is not yours so that something can be discussed outside of your own well meaning, but misguided idealism.
No, not gonna do it. If you don't like it then don't read it or respond to it. It wasn't directed at you was it?
Good to know that pseudo science and ehow has such a strong and well written advocate.
"Do you savor fresh, homemade cookies or enjoy candy when you're watching a movie? Do you drink soda or fruit-flavored drinks? These food items are all examples of empty calories. Empty calories are calories that contribute to your total caloric intake, but supply little or no nutritional value."
What Are Empty Calories? - Definition & Foods
http://study.com/academy/lesson/what-are-empty-calories-definition-foods.html
So your definition is what some educator uses as her arbitrary meaning for the term? OK.
That's the issue with terms such as "clean" and "empty calorie" ... the meaning varies from person to person. Attempting to define "empty calorie" as lacking nutrition fails on the macronutrient level.
It's things like "clean" and "in moderation" that leads people to ask what that means, specifically...and then a variety of answers from different people on how they carry it out. Very few people do "clean" or "in moderation" the same way because everyone has different ideas, tastes and preferences.
For those of us that do things like run or ride distances .. those calories and in the form of simple carbs are necessary. Context matters.
Yes, as an avid runner, I agree with this, so no calories are empty for me. I need my carb loads in order to properly fuel my body for the running I do and love so much.tincanonastring wrote: »UltimateEscape wrote: »"The key to eating clean is to base your diet on foods that are as natural and unprocessed as possible. That means having a whole apple instead of sweetened applesauce, old-fashioned rolled oats instead of instant oatmeal and organic, grass-fed steak instead of a fast-food burger. By eating clean, you'll consume less saturated fat, trans fats, sodium and sugar and more fiber, heart-healthy mono- and polyunsaturated fats, vitamins, minerals and antioxidant phytochemicals. You'll most likely enhance your health and lose weight."
Source:
How to Eat Clean
http://www.ehow.com/how_2049770_eat-clean.html
I agree with your definition, but would add that removing certain allergens from food (dairy, eggs, gluten, etc) is also beneficial as what is left is usually simple but healthy lean meat, fish and vegetables. All allergens are not bad, but eating less processed foods is key. BTW, I just tried Fage 0% Greek yogurt as part of my low fat eating plan; very good when mixed with fruit and super high in protein!
I don't understand how clean-eaters can use the "processed food" standard in one sentence and then immediately reference a processed food that they eat. How do you justify that discrepancy internally?
What's your example?
From this thread:
http://community.myfitnesspal.com/en/discussion/comment/34125788/#Comment_341257880 -
tennisdude2004 wrote: »brianpperkins wrote: »
"Empty-calorie" is a fairly specific term. It refers to foods that contribute energy, but lack vitamins, minerals and protein.brianpperkins wrote: »UltimateEscape wrote: »BecomingBane wrote: »UltimateEscape wrote: »BecomingBane wrote: »We were asking OP what their definition is, not the definition that you follow @UltimateEscape, since you are not them, you cannot speak for them nor define what they think.
Again, my point was not to be critical of the term, but to ask OP what they meant so that we could have an educated discussion that steered shy of dogma. As a vegan, I understand what clean eating means to me, but my definition does not match the one that you linked, nor do I take dietary advice from CNN who has their own financial agenda to push. Please refrain from interjecting dogmatic idealism into a conversion that is not yours so that something can be discussed outside of your own well meaning, but misguided idealism.
No, not gonna do it. If you don't like it then don't read it or respond to it. It wasn't directed at you was it?
Good to know that pseudo science and ehow has such a strong and well written advocate.
"Do you savor fresh, homemade cookies or enjoy candy when you're watching a movie? Do you drink soda or fruit-flavored drinks? These food items are all examples of empty calories. Empty calories are calories that contribute to your total caloric intake, but supply little or no nutritional value."
What Are Empty Calories? - Definition & Foods
http://study.com/academy/lesson/what-are-empty-calories-definition-foods.html
So your definition is what some educator uses as her arbitrary meaning for the term? OK.
That's the issue with terms such as "clean" and "empty calorie" ... the meaning varies from person to person. Attempting to define "empty calorie" as lacking nutrition fails on the macronutrient level.
It's things like "clean" and "in moderation" that leads people to ask what that means, specifically...and then a variety of answers from different people on how they carry it out. Very few people do "clean" or "in moderation" the same way because everyone has different ideas, tastes and preferences.
For those of us that do things like run or ride distances .. those calories and in the form of simple carbs are necessary. Context matters.
Yes, as an avid runner, I agree with this, so no calories are empty for me. I need my carb loads in order to properly fuel my body for the running I do and love so much.tincanonastring wrote: »UltimateEscape wrote: »"The key to eating clean is to base your diet on foods that are as natural and unprocessed as possible. That means having a whole apple instead of sweetened applesauce, old-fashioned rolled oats instead of instant oatmeal and organic, grass-fed steak instead of a fast-food burger. By eating clean, you'll consume less saturated fat, trans fats, sodium and sugar and more fiber, heart-healthy mono- and polyunsaturated fats, vitamins, minerals and antioxidant phytochemicals. You'll most likely enhance your health and lose weight."
Source:
How to Eat Clean
http://www.ehow.com/how_2049770_eat-clean.html
I agree with your definition, but would add that removing certain allergens from food (dairy, eggs, gluten, etc) is also beneficial as what is left is usually simple but healthy lean meat, fish and vegetables. All allergens are not bad, but eating less processed foods is key. BTW, I just tried Fage 0% Greek yogurt as part of my low fat eating plan; very good when mixed with fruit and super high in protein!
I don't understand how clean-eaters can use the "processed food" standard in one sentence and then immediately reference a processed food that they eat. How do you justify that discrepancy internally?
What's your example?
I've seen many clean bodybuilders drinking 2-3 protein shakes per day.0 -
So if I feel good about this Snickers I'm eating (putting in my body, but let's face it, most people are only putting food in their body the one way) I'm clean eating? Cool. Guess I have one less thing to disagree with people on the board about.UltimateEscape wrote: »MissJS1983 wrote: »For those that choose to clean eat whilst calorie counting. How are you getting on?
"Today, two decades down the road, clean eating, or eating clean, is a major movement, spurred by people from all walks of life who want to feel good about what they're putting in their bodies."
What is clean eating?
http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/23/health/clean-eating/index.html0 -
So if I feel good about this Snickers I'm eating (putting in my body, but let's face it, most people are only putting food in their body the one way) I'm clean eating? Cool. Guess I have one less thing to disagree with people on the board about.UltimateEscape wrote: »MissJS1983 wrote: »For those that choose to clean eat whilst calorie counting. How are you getting on?
"Today, two decades down the road, clean eating, or eating clean, is a major movement, spurred by people from all walks of life who want to feel good about what they're putting in their bodies."
What is clean eating?
http://www.cnn.com/2014/01/23/health/clean-eating/index.html
@diannethegeek better add that to the list.0 -
Another clean day of chicken, brocoli, and rice...tennisdude2004 wrote: »brianpperkins wrote: »
"Empty-calorie" is a fairly specific term. It refers to foods that contribute energy, but lack vitamins, minerals and protein.brianpperkins wrote: »UltimateEscape wrote: »BecomingBane wrote: »UltimateEscape wrote: »BecomingBane wrote: »We were asking OP what their definition is, not the definition that you follow @UltimateEscape, since you are not them, you cannot speak for them nor define what they think.
Again, my point was not to be critical of the term, but to ask OP what they meant so that we could have an educated discussion that steered shy of dogma. As a vegan, I understand what clean eating means to me, but my definition does not match the one that you linked, nor do I take dietary advice from CNN who has their own financial agenda to push. Please refrain from interjecting dogmatic idealism into a conversion that is not yours so that something can be discussed outside of your own well meaning, but misguided idealism.
No, not gonna do it. If you don't like it then don't read it or respond to it. It wasn't directed at you was it?
Good to know that pseudo science and ehow has such a strong and well written advocate.
"Do you savor fresh, homemade cookies or enjoy candy when you're watching a movie? Do you drink soda or fruit-flavored drinks? These food items are all examples of empty calories. Empty calories are calories that contribute to your total caloric intake, but supply little or no nutritional value."
What Are Empty Calories? - Definition & Foods
http://study.com/academy/lesson/what-are-empty-calories-definition-foods.html
So your definition is what some educator uses as her arbitrary meaning for the term? OK.
That's the issue with terms such as "clean" and "empty calorie" ... the meaning varies from person to person. Attempting to define "empty calorie" as lacking nutrition fails on the macronutrient level.
It's things like "clean" and "in moderation" that leads people to ask what that means, specifically...and then a variety of answers from different people on how they carry it out. Very few people do "clean" or "in moderation" the same way because everyone has different ideas, tastes and preferences.
For those of us that do things like run or ride distances .. those calories and in the form of simple carbs are necessary. Context matters.
Yes, as an avid runner, I agree with this, so no calories are empty for me. I need my carb loads in order to properly fuel my body for the running I do and love so much.tincanonastring wrote: »UltimateEscape wrote: »"The key to eating clean is to base your diet on foods that are as natural and unprocessed as possible. That means having a whole apple instead of sweetened applesauce, old-fashioned rolled oats instead of instant oatmeal and organic, grass-fed steak instead of a fast-food burger. By eating clean, you'll consume less saturated fat, trans fats, sodium and sugar and more fiber, heart-healthy mono- and polyunsaturated fats, vitamins, minerals and antioxidant phytochemicals. You'll most likely enhance your health and lose weight."
Source:
How to Eat Clean
http://www.ehow.com/how_2049770_eat-clean.html
I agree with your definition, but would add that removing certain allergens from food (dairy, eggs, gluten, etc) is also beneficial as what is left is usually simple but healthy lean meat, fish and vegetables. All allergens are not bad, but eating less processed foods is key. BTW, I just tried Fage 0% Greek yogurt as part of my low fat eating plan; very good when mixed with fruit and super high in protein!
I don't understand how clean-eaters can use the "processed food" standard in one sentence and then immediately reference a processed food that they eat. How do you justify that discrepancy internally?
What's your example?
oh and my fish oil / omega 3's capsules
oh and my multivitamin
oh, and my whey protein (sure I ate a bucket load of chicken breasts, but, hey protein!)
oh and my 30 mystery pills that are on sale at GNC because Dr. Oz and Mercola endorsed them.0 -
UltimateEscape wrote: »"The key to eating clean is to base your diet on foods that are as natural and unprocessed as possible. That means having a whole apple instead of sweetened applesauce, old-fashioned rolled oats instead of instant oatmeal and organic, grass-fed steak instead of a fast-food burger. By eating clean, you'll consume less saturated fat, trans fats, sodium and sugar and more fiber, heart-healthy mono- and polyunsaturated fats, vitamins, minerals and antioxidant phytochemicals. You'll most likely enhance your health and lose weight."
Source:
How to Eat Clean
http://www.ehow.com/how_2049770_eat-clean.html
I agree with your definition, but would add that removing certain allergens from food (dairy, eggs, gluten, etc) is also beneficial as what is left is usually simple but healthy lean meat, fish and vegetables. All allergens are not bad, but eating less processed foods is key. BTW, I just tried Fage 0% Greek yogurt as part of my low fat eating plan; very good when mixed with fruit and super high in protein!
I can't quite wrap my head around your statement. Do you seriously think that 0% fat with super high protein is not processed ? Or that low fat is part of a natural ( and therefore " less processed " ) diet ?
Most things that are " low fat " are severely processed and on top of that often have the fat replaced by other things that do not naturally occur in a specific food.
If you have a reason to cut fat, you maybe should try eating less fat and not low fat, because there is a big difference between the two from the standpoint of a healthy or healthier diet.
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I eat a plant-based diet, with lots of "whole foods," of course, but there are a lot of processed foods that I enjoy and eat every day. Hummus, for example. I sometimes make my own, but there is one brand that just makes it better than than I do, so I buy it a lot! And really, I end up "processing" most foods just with how I prepare them. When I think of "highly processed," it evokes stuff like Stovetop Stuffing or Kraft Mac-n-Cheese, or Spaghetti-O's, generally stuff with lots of added sodium and/or sugar. There are so many ways to define the phrase, but in general, I think at least some people probably mean choosing foods to best meet all of their nutritional needs. Kind of neat to learn all of the different ways people mean it, though.0
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justrollme wrote: »I eat a plant-based diet, with lots of "whole foods," of course, but there are a lot of processed foods that I enjoy and eat every day. Hummus, for example. I sometimes make my own, but there is one brand that just makes it better than than I do, so I buy it a lot! And really, I end up "processing" most foods just with how I prepare them. When I think of "highly processed," it evokes stuff like Stovetop Stuffing or Kraft Mac-n-Cheese, or Spaghetti-O's, generally stuff with lots of added sodium and/or sugar. There are so many ways to define the phrase, but in general, I think at least some people probably mean choosing foods to best meet all of their nutritional needs. Kind of neat to learn all of the different ways people mean it, though.
I believe that's how most people mean it...highly processed and often with lots of sodium, sugar, white flour, etc. If you pick an apple directly off the tree and wash it off, you have "processed" it. A lot of people on this board just prefer to pretend they don't understand how the term is generally used for some reason.0 -
It isn't feigning ignorance, it is legitimately about getting the OP to have a consistent definition of what processed food means to them. There are times where the question itself and forcing the person consider what it means makes them consider what they're eating and if it is truly helping them meet their goals or not. This includes the number of things people inconsistenly think of as not processed because they're considered health foods (which is probably what most people want to eat - a healthy diet) such as yogurt.MoiAussi93 wrote: »justrollme wrote: »I eat a plant-based diet, with lots of "whole foods," of course, but there are a lot of processed foods that I enjoy and eat every day. Hummus, for example. I sometimes make my own, but there is one brand that just makes it better than than I do, so I buy it a lot! And really, I end up "processing" most foods just with how I prepare them. When I think of "highly processed," it evokes stuff like Stovetop Stuffing or Kraft Mac-n-Cheese, or Spaghetti-O's, generally stuff with lots of added sodium and/or sugar. There are so many ways to define the phrase, but in general, I think at least some people probably mean choosing foods to best meet all of their nutritional needs. Kind of neat to learn all of the different ways people mean it, though.
I believe that's how most people mean it...highly processed and often with lots of sodium, sugar, white flour, etc. If you pick an apple directly off the tree and wash it off, you have "processed" it. A lot of people on this board just prefer to pretend they don't understand how the term is generally used for some reason.
And yes, there is a technical term that people are grasping for that is more precise than processed food, which is convenience food. It still can end up with the same issues where people mistakenly think categorize foods as not convenience simply because they're okay with eating them.0 -
It isn't feigning ignorance, it is legitimately about getting the OP to have a consistent definition of what processed food means to them. There are times where the question itself and forcing the person consider what it means makes them consider what they're eating and if it is truly helping them meet their goals or not. This includes the number of things people inconsistenly think of as not processed because they're considered health foods (which is probably what most people want to eat - a healthy diet) such as yogurt.MoiAussi93 wrote: »justrollme wrote: »I eat a plant-based diet, with lots of "whole foods," of course, but there are a lot of processed foods that I enjoy and eat every day. Hummus, for example. I sometimes make my own, but there is one brand that just makes it better than than I do, so I buy it a lot! And really, I end up "processing" most foods just with how I prepare them. When I think of "highly processed," it evokes stuff like Stovetop Stuffing or Kraft Mac-n-Cheese, or Spaghetti-O's, generally stuff with lots of added sodium and/or sugar. There are so many ways to define the phrase, but in general, I think at least some people probably mean choosing foods to best meet all of their nutritional needs. Kind of neat to learn all of the different ways people mean it, though.
I believe that's how most people mean it...highly processed and often with lots of sodium, sugar, white flour, etc. If you pick an apple directly off the tree and wash it off, you have "processed" it. A lot of people on this board just prefer to pretend they don't understand how the term is generally used for some reason.
And yes, there is a technical term that people are grasping for that is more precise than processed food, which is convenience food. It still can end up with the same issues where people mistakenly think categorize foods as not convenience simply because they're okay with eating them.
I almost used the phrase "convenience food" in my post, but then I changed it, because I consider apples to be a convenience food.
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MoiAussi93 wrote: »A lot of people on this board just prefer to pretend they don't understand how the term is generally used for some reason.
"Processed" is not generally used to mean "convenience foods" or "highly processed" in my regular life, and it seems to be used inconsistently here. Some really do mean "processed," although most mean something more in-between (they cut out more than "highly processed" or "convenience" foods, but not according to any standard that's clear until they try to explain it).
When people ask "do others do this" or argue that "cutting out processed foods is good to do," we don't actually know what they mean, and it's not feigning ignorance to ask. It's really not that hard to answer or clarify "oh, yeah, I mean I don't eat packaged sweets or chips" or whatever it is.
I did try to cut out "processed foods" once upon a time, and for me it did mean canned tomatoes, dairy other than from a farm, pasta I didn't make myself (although I would have admitted that of course flour is processed), non-local stuff when local stuff is in season, etc. (It also did not mean homemade sweets or bread, although again obviously sugar and flour are processed. As a result I was more likely to claim I tried to eat mostly "natural" food or cut out processed foods other than staple ingredients, but that has no meaning either, obviously.)
At a certain point I was like "why am I doing this?" and didn't really have an answer and tried instead to be less obsessive and to focus mostly on whether something had a health benefit or improved my life in some way. But I don't at all think it's clear that when someone says "no processed foods" we know what they mean. Especially since (again) there have been discussions (and disagreement) by people who do it as to whether homemade sweets are included and questions from OPs about whether deli meat is processed (IMO, obviously, and there are certain things I'd consider in deciding whether to include it in my diet, but everyone will have different considerations) or canned beans (IMO, yes, but they are still good for you and sometimes dried beans just aren't convenient enough).
And yeah, I know I tend toward the obsessive and am hung up on "words have meaning," but I really don't get the idea that asking for clarification is MEAN. It furthers conversation and it seems really defensive to suggest that its terrible to be asked what you mean by some term that people use 100 different ways.
No one was obnoxious about it in this thread (well, except for the poster posting about 16 different definitions of "clean eating" that assumed "clean"="plant based").0
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