Washing a car (calories burned)
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juliebowling1 wrote: »So, despite all the naysayers I would ask yourself this...was I driping with sweat during and after the activity? If you truly worked up a sweat, no matter if it was washing a car or mowing the grass cleaning the gutters there is no reason not to count it. ESPECIALLY if you are trying to change from a sedentary lifestyle to being more active. But be very wary of overestimating the calories burned. It is a sad, pitiful, unfair reality that it only takes a nanosecond to consume 100 calories but it take a long sustained sweaty effort to burn 100 . One of the many unjustices of the Universe if you ask me.
Sweating is the body's response to being hot...not burning calories. It's a horrible measure of calorie burn.
I could lay down and do nothing outside on a typical humid 95 degree Iowa summer day and be dripping with sweat.
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juliebowling1 wrote: »So, despite all the naysayers I would ask yourself this...was I driping with sweat during and after the activity? If you truly worked up a sweat, no matter if it was washing a car or mowing the grass cleaning the gutters there is no reason not to count it. ESPECIALLY if you are trying to change from a sedentary lifestyle to being more active. But be very wary of overestimating the calories burned. It is a sad, pitiful, unfair reality that it only takes a nanosecond to consume 100 calories but it take a long sustained sweaty effort to burn 100 . One of the many unjustices of the Universe if you ask me.
I counted it the way the other site I went to counted it, deducting some points for the fact that I did not wax it. I don't see much difference in counting the calories I burn any different than ones that count every step they make during a day. I don't count my steps and I don't sit on my @$$ all day either. I don't count my housecleaning as exercise - it is a necessary evil so to speak.Exercise, no matter what you are doing causes you to burn them off. I do not do this to be able to justify eating more. I've lost 25.5lbs in 4 months. I'm pretty darn proud of myself. Yes, I was dripping wet and it was not from the hose. It was from lugging a 5gallon pail of soapy water around the car, drying it off.
One reason I don't own a horse is I won't do poop scooping boogie. But, when I did ride horses; I did brush them down and settle them down before leading them back to their stalls. I was a teenager at the time and it was worth it to be able to ride them. Besides I have been losing weight steadily and that is something I had not been doing before doing things that I normally would not do. I am happy with my progress - vindicated or not - I'm happy.0 -
GRITSandSLUTS wrote: »juliebowling1 wrote: »So, despite all the naysayers I would ask yourself this...was I driping with sweat during and after the activity? If you truly worked up a sweat, no matter if it was washing a car or mowing the grass cleaning the gutters there is no reason not to count it. ESPECIALLY if you are trying to change from a sedentary lifestyle to being more active. But be very wary of overestimating the calories burned. It is a sad, pitiful, unfair reality that it only takes a nanosecond to consume 100 calories but it take a long sustained sweaty effort to burn 100 . One of the many unjustices of the Universe if you ask me.
I counted it the way the other site I went to counted it, deducting some points for the fact that I did not wax it. I don't see much difference in counting the calories I burn any different than ones that count every step they make during a day. I don't count my steps and I don't sit on my @$$ all day either. I don't count my housecleaning as exercise - it is a necessary evil so to speak.Exercise, no matter what you are doing causes you to burn them off. I do not do this to be able to justify eating more. I've lost 25.5lbs in 4 months. I'm pretty darn proud of myself. Yes, I was dripping wet and it was not from the hose. It was from lugging a 5gallon pail of soapy water around the car, drying it off.
One reason I don't own a horse is I won't do poop scooping boogie. But, when I did ride horses; I did brush them down and settle them down before leading them back to their stalls. I was a teenager at the time and it was worth it to be able to ride them. Besides I have been losing weight steadily and that is something I had not been doing before doing things that I normally would not do. I am happy with my progress - vindicated or not - I'm happy.
Grits, thought I would just mention that a great way to see how accurate your calorie burns are, is that if you are confident in your food logging, you can add up your deficits (your built in deficit plus any additional calories left, - any overages), divide that by 3500, and compare that number with the weight you've lost in the same time span. So maybe over the span of the month. It's a great way to just double check your accuracy. I'm a numbers person, so to me, that's fun to do. Some people would hate it though
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I personally wouldn't log this 'calorie burn' either....on the other hand....if you wanted a more realistic number, I suppose you could get a Heart Rate Monitor....a decent one with a chest strap, strap that around you, and then set it up and 'clock' the calorie burn next time you wash the car.....I think you'll be amazed how little calories gets burned 'washing a car'....I mean unless you're doing a full on pre-rinse, scrub down, final rinse, then buff/wax/shine afterwards....but it all depends on the intensity of the activity too....and that's where the HRM would come into play...the HRM would give you a 'guesstimate' of perserved calorie burn, simply based on your heart rate during that 'moment'....
Give it a shot...I personally picked up a cheap HRM from ALDI's when they had them on special at the beginning of the year.....I think it was only 19.98 or something......Walmart/Target will have similar ones, but make sure you get one with a chest strap! You don't want one of the touch-sensitive watch faces.....that only reads your heart rate when you have you finger on the face of the watch.......0 -
GRITSandSLUTS wrote: »I checked another site that was given to me in a private message (hoping I would not come back to this thread); washing a car, for an hour, is really a few more points that the same as heavy cleaning ... so there! I did not over-estimate it,
well when you don't lose weight and come back complaining about why you aren't losing weight- you should already know the answer to your question.
You're age has nothing to do with it- neither does mine- but for what it's worth I'm also not a young kid- I'm a grown *kitten* woman. Being said- even my parents who are about your age wouldn't consider washing their vehicles heavy cleaning- they would probably consider mucking the horse stalls and moving the barrels of manuere and chucking hay bales heavy cleaning- but honestly- washing a car shouldn't be that strenuous. As some one else said- if it is- perhaps you need to up your fitness level with something beyond car washing.
But washing you're car isn't heavy cleaning. I'm glad you seem vindicated and validated in your opinion- so I wish you the best of luck on your journey.
Remember - this would matter if she was eating back exercise logged calories.
She isn't - so it's immaterial to eating level and diet, except it's increased activity level by probably 200-300 calories.
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GRITSandSLUTS wrote: »I checked another site that was given to me in a private message (hoping I would not come back to this thread); washing a car, for an hour, is really a few more points that the same as heavy cleaning ... so there! I did not over-estimate it,
well when you don't lose weight and come back complaining about why you aren't losing weight- you should already know the answer to your question.
You're age has nothing to do with it- neither does mine- but for what it's worth I'm also not a young kid- I'm a grown *kitten* woman. Being said- even my parents who are about your age wouldn't consider washing their vehicles heavy cleaning- they would probably consider mucking the horse stalls and moving the barrels of manuere and chucking hay bales heavy cleaning- but honestly- washing a car shouldn't be that strenuous. As some one else said- if it is- perhaps you need to up your fitness level with something beyond car washing.
But washing you're car isn't heavy cleaning. I'm glad you seem vindicated and validated in your opinion- so I wish you the best of luck on your journey.
Remember - this would matter if she was eating back exercise logged calories.
She isn't - so it's immaterial to eating level and diet, except it's increased activity level by probably 200-300 calories.
Is this whole thread all about something she can show to her doctor to prove to the doctor that she is doing some kind of activity during the week?
If that is the case, then write down what you did and the number of minutes you did it. Calorie burn should be inmaterial. Unless he specifically said "give it to me in terms of calories". In that case, still do it, then say, "can you please help me determine the number of calories this particular 'workout' burned"?
However I would be surprised for a doctor to ask this in terms of calories. He should be more interested in the number of minutes per day your heart rate was elevated consistently. This is usually how we measure fitness for basic health. Otherwise I would ask for clarification as to why he needs to know the number of calories it took to wash her car.
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I personally wouldn't log this 'calorie burn' either....on the other hand....if you wanted a more realistic number, I suppose you could get a Heart Rate Monitor....a decent one with a chest strap, strap that around you, and then set it up and 'clock' the calorie burn next time you wash the car.....I think you'll be amazed how little calories gets burned 'washing a car'...
No.
Heart rate monitors are not designed to be general purpose calorie counters. It'll spit out a number, sure, but it will be meaningless.
HR data plays a useful supporting role in calculating energy expenditure (calories burned) for steady state exercise like running or heads down cycling (not recreational meandering on a bike). For most other purposes it isn't useful from an energy expenditure tracking perspective.
It will tell you what your heart rate is though. Is that useful to a car washer? Probably not.
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GRITSandSLUTS wrote: »I checked another site that was given to me in a private message (hoping I would not come back to this thread); washing a car, for an hour, is really a few more points that the same as heavy cleaning ... so there! I did not over-estimate it,
well when you don't lose weight and come back complaining about why you aren't losing weight- you should already know the answer to your question.
You're age has nothing to do with it- neither does mine- but for what it's worth I'm also not a young kid- I'm a grown *kitten* woman. Being said- even my parents who are about your age wouldn't consider washing their vehicles heavy cleaning- they would probably consider mucking the horse stalls and moving the barrels of manuere and chucking hay bales heavy cleaning- but honestly- washing a car shouldn't be that strenuous. As some one else said- if it is- perhaps you need to up your fitness level with something beyond car washing.
But washing you're car isn't heavy cleaning. I'm glad you seem vindicated and validated in your opinion- so I wish you the best of luck on your journey.
Remember - this would matter if she was eating back exercise logged calories.
She isn't - so it's immaterial to eating level and diet, except it's increased activity level by probably 200-300 calories.
Exactly!
I would think the good doctor would be more interested in the type of activity and duration and frequency of activities rather than calorie estimates.
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GRITSandSLUTS wrote: »I checked another site that was given to me in a private message (hoping I would not come back to this thread); washing a car, for an hour, is really a few more points that the same as heavy cleaning ... so there! I did not over-estimate it,
well when you don't lose weight and come back complaining about why you aren't losing weight- you should already know the answer to your question.
You're age has nothing to do with it- neither does mine- but for what it's worth I'm also not a young kid- I'm a grown *kitten* woman. Being said- even my parents who are about your age wouldn't consider washing their vehicles heavy cleaning- they would probably consider mucking the horse stalls and moving the barrels of manuere and chucking hay bales heavy cleaning- but honestly- washing a car shouldn't be that strenuous. As some one else said- if it is- perhaps you need to up your fitness level with something beyond car washing.
But washing you're car isn't heavy cleaning. I'm glad you seem vindicated and validated in your opinion- so I wish you the best of luck on your journey.
Remember - this would matter if she was eating back exercise logged calories.
She isn't - so it's immaterial to eating level and diet, except it's increased activity level by probably 200-300 calories.
Exactly!
I would think the good doctor would be more interested in the type of activity and duration and frequency of activities rather than calorie estimates.
Hahahaha Another case of GMTA between you in me. :-)
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GRITSandSLUTS wrote: »I checked another site that was given to me in a private message (hoping I would not come back to this thread); washing a car, for an hour, is really a few more points that the same as heavy cleaning ... so there! I did not over-estimate it,
well when you don't lose weight and come back complaining about why you aren't losing weight- you should already know the answer to your question.
You're age has nothing to do with it- neither does mine- but for what it's worth I'm also not a young kid- I'm a grown *kitten* woman. Being said- even my parents who are about your age wouldn't consider washing their vehicles heavy cleaning- they would probably consider mucking the horse stalls and moving the barrels of manuere and chucking hay bales heavy cleaning- but honestly- washing a car shouldn't be that strenuous. As some one else said- if it is- perhaps you need to up your fitness level with something beyond car washing.
But washing you're car isn't heavy cleaning. I'm glad you seem vindicated and validated in your opinion- so I wish you the best of luck on your journey.
Remember - this would matter if she was eating back exercise logged calories.
She isn't - so it's immaterial to eating level and diet, except it's increased activity level by probably 200-300 calories.
Exactly!
I would think the good doctor would be more interested in the type of activity and duration and frequency of activities rather than calorie estimates.
That's where the whole METS thing would be useful - knowing you are following the guidelines of so many minutes weekly of activity 3-6 METS, and so many 6 over METS.
Plus that would inform him of daily activity level and if need to change this static eating goal.
I wonder if he is just family Dr with his 1 course in nutrition trying to do the best he can, which at least asking for activities done is better than most GP's.0 -
I personally wouldn't log this 'calorie burn' either....on the other hand....if you wanted a more realistic number, I suppose you could get a Heart Rate Monitor....a decent one with a chest strap, strap that around you, and then set it up and 'clock' the calorie burn next time you wash the car.....I think you'll be amazed how little calories gets burned 'washing a car'...
No.
Heart rate monitors are not designed to be general purpose calorie counters. It'll spit out a number, sure, but it will be meaningless.
HR data plays a useful supporting role in calculating energy expenditure (calories burned) for steady state exercise like running or heads down cycling (not recreational meandering on a bike). For most other purposes it isn't useful from an energy expenditure tracking perspective.
It will tell you what your heart rate is though. Is that useful to a car washer? Probably not.
In addition - a cheap $20 HRM is likely to be using some really interesting formula even when used correctly - would likely be a very out there calorie burn.
Shoot - Timex had a series that had terribly inflated calorie burn, because they used hardly any useful stats for computing it.
And they weren't cheap, and they should have had the money to throw at it well. I think their later models did improve.0 -
GRITSandSLUTS wrote: »I checked another site that was given to me in a private message (hoping I would not come back to this thread); washing a car, for an hour, is really a few more points that the same as heavy cleaning ... so there! I did not over-estimate it,
well when you don't lose weight and come back complaining about why you aren't losing weight- you should already know the answer to your question.
You're age has nothing to do with it- neither does mine- but for what it's worth I'm also not a young kid- I'm a grown *kitten* woman. Being said- even my parents who are about your age wouldn't consider washing their vehicles heavy cleaning- they would probably consider mucking the horse stalls and moving the barrels of manuere and chucking hay bales heavy cleaning- but honestly- washing a car shouldn't be that strenuous. As some one else said- if it is- perhaps you need to up your fitness level with something beyond car washing.
But washing you're car isn't heavy cleaning. I'm glad you seem vindicated and validated in your opinion- so I wish you the best of luck on your journey.
Remember - this would matter if she was eating back exercise logged calories.
She isn't - so it's immaterial to eating level and diet, except it's increased activity level by probably 200-300 calories.
You're right.
I guess I tend to see people who have an over inflated sense of work tend to use it to justify extra snacks etc etc.
Having an appropriate sense of what work is helps for the big picture.
BUT- you're right- big picture it doesn't matter- she can call it whatever she wants as long as she sticking with essenetially a TDEE method.0 -
It just occured to me. And I am wondering. OP, are you simple just trying to track the activity on mfp so you can later show the doctor?
If so, may I suggest just putting in a very low dummy value for calories burned and be more focused on the actual activity and number of minutes. Many people when they log their lifting with weights, for example, they just simply put in that it burned 1 calorie. Now obviously you burn more than a single calorie from lifting weights for 45 minutes. But folks (me included) would be very leary of counting any more calories for an activity that is very hard to measure the actual calorie expenditure. So it would be much safer to just put "1" calorie burned rather than put in 100 calories when in reality maybe it only was 65 calories. Then mistakely think you had 35 extra calories to eat that day. It's better to be 99 short than 35 calories above.
I would think if you are intense in measuring every quarter cup of rice, every 3 oz of chicken, that teaspoon you measured out of salad dressing, that 1 cup of green beans you measured out and logged, then you put an arbitrary number of 100 calories burned just doesn't really make too much sense.0 -
It just occured to me. And I am wondering. OP, are you simple just trying to track the activity on mfp so you can later show the doctor?
If so, may I suggest just putting in a very low dummy value for calories burned and be more focused on the actual activity and number of minutes. Many people when they log their lifting with weights, for example, they just simply put in that it burned 1 calorie. Now obviously you burn more than a single calorie from lifting weights for 45 minutes. But folks (me included) would be very leary of counting any more calories for an activity that is very hard to measure the actual calorie expenditure. So it would be much safer to just put "1" calorie burned rather than put in 100 calories when in reality maybe it only was 65 calories. Then mistakely think you had 35 extra calories to eat that day. It's better to be 99 short than 35 calories above.
I would think if you are intense in measuring every quarter cup of rice, every 3 oz of chicken, that teaspoon you measured out of salad dressing, that 1 cup of green beans you measured out and logged, then you put an arbitrary number of 100 calories burned just doesn't really make too much sense.
But if you are going to just make up a number - why not put in one closer to reality?
50 isn't even BMR level burn for 1 hr, and you know full well you are burning 2 x your resting metabolism - shoot, slow walking is too.
So while you may not think you want to go to upper extreme - why be just as bad and go to lower extreme?
Extremes is not good, educated balance is. And it doesn't take much to get educated now a days.
You might want to review that METS database links given above, and look up the studies on weight lifting and calorie burn - you have a distorted view of how little you burn. Now, pink dumbbells for 20 reps, sure not as high as those studies.
But that's more an issue of what are you doing in your workout and viewing what it is.
Oh - the 1 calorie entries are usually because someone is using the TDEE method instead of MFP method - so they already have a planned amount of exercise accounted for in their eating goal and goal macros around that - and don't want MFP normal usage to foul it up.
And she actually did share in later post this is NOT for eating back exercise calories, she is on TDEE method.
But your logic on being as accurate as possible on food intake - but suggesting just throw it to the wind for exercise output (1 cal) - isn't very logical either.
Since it's CICO to a reasonable degree of deficit to encourage fat-only loss - you need both sides as accurate as possible.0 -
Almost nothing. Lol0
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It is easier for me to see how many calories I am burning by posting it on myfitnesspal; but, the data base for exercise here is not very good, doesn't list a lot of things I like doing that make my heart rate go up and helps me in my quest to lose weight. I have been steadily losing weight at about 2.5lbs a week (more or less). I don't have any loose skin from my weight lost and I think that is because of the 'exercises' I am doing as well. Hula hooping to help my waist and even my upper abs. I appreciate your comments and while some have seemed to be a 'personal attack' I 'forgive' you for not understanding why I was asking this question. Another person gave me another site to go to that has a better database; both of food and exercise; but, I still like my 'community' on this site and I've found a thread that fits for me and they are encouraging and far more understanding. Like I have said before ... I do 'not' eat back my extra calories and I am on a very strict caloric intake diet. It's just for my personal information and my MD is not asking me to justify my exercise - just wants to know that I am doing something at least 3 or 4x a week, so that if I ever hit a plateau, she's know whether it is because I am not doing the exercise that is required for me to continue losing. Or upping the number of days I do exercise to jump start me off that plateau; she has not put me on any 'appetite suppressants' either because of how well I am doing as it is. I'm at least 1/2 way to my goal and I might do this diet a little longer when I get to the goal weight she has set for me. It's been a lifestyle change and yes I do measure my food most of the time. But when I go out to eat, I must plan for it earlier in the day or the day before so that I don't deprive myself of the things I like to eat. I also always cut my meal in half and bring the half home for the next day's meal. Restaurants notoriously pile on the food and I don't miss the extra and the next day I don't have to cook. At a Chinese restaurant they serve a 1/2 order of fried rice and I still have enough to eat after only eating 1/2 of it. If I want a piece of chocolate candy I eat it, and I log it and I know that 'if' I do, the chances that I will go over my caloric intake for the day is pretty well expected. The weeks that I went on vacation I had to write down what I ate because my laptop would not allow me to get online. I ate some of the best Cajun food there is, and also went out to eat several times. All week long I ate over my caloric intake and I did not get to exercise as much as I wanted to but I did some. I didn't count those extra calories I earned back and still lost weight, so it is working for me and that is all that matters to me.0
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juggernaut1974 wrote: »juliebowling1 wrote: »So, despite all the naysayers I would ask yourself this...was I driping with sweat during and after the activity? If you truly worked up a sweat, no matter if it was washing a car or mowing the grass cleaning the gutters there is no reason not to count it. ESPECIALLY if you are trying to change from a sedentary lifestyle to being more active. But be very wary of overestimating the calories burned. It is a sad, pitiful, unfair reality that it only takes a nanosecond to consume 100 calories but it take a long sustained sweaty effort to burn 100 . One of the many unjustices of the Universe if you ask me.
Sweating is the body's response to being hot...not burning calories. It's a horrible measure of calorie burn.
I could lay down and do nothing outside on a typical humid 95 degree Iowa summer day and be dripping with sweat.
Yep, I live in Florida, just walking to the mailbox I sweat. Also if it was based on sweating then everybody in Florida would be skinny, which I will say they are not.
By the way OP I lost 121 pounds and been maintaining for a year now, never counting washing a car as exercise.
Good luck OP.
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Yes, CICO is something that I was trying to figure out on a daily basis. MFP does not show some of the things I do for exercise; yet, I know they are some sort of exercise. Just like some people count every step they take every day. I've gone to other sites where they do show these particular exercises. Sure, I guess I could write down or post the exercise and time I spent doing it for the MD and let him 'figure' out in my CO is higher than my CI. I don't eat back those extra calories. Probably doesn't matter how I post it; but, MFP (or more correctly, the other plan) wants to know the exercise and time spent on it. When I posted the number of CO, I took into consideration that I did not 'wax' the car, too (so I only counted it by half or just one-third). I did not wash my car by standing in one position and just letting the water run; I scrubbed the car as we live on a dirt road. I just never thought that I'd get the variety of comments. Some positive, maybe more negative. I'm on a thread where several people list what they are planning on doing and time planning on spending doing it. Some count steps and their goal is 10,000 a day. Once I rearranged my living room and only made it to 4,000 steps and that took several hours (and I was wearing a pedometer at the time. Moving heavy furniture is far more than even doing heavy cleaning. Works if you wear a pedometer (which I don't) and remembering to put it where it will actually count those steps. But, it doesn't count the heavy lifting and shoving around furniture. I probably only do 1/2 of that since I don't work and even if I did it would be sedentary (as a secretary). I wish I could use my street bike; but, we've moved to the country and live on a dirt road, so it sits in my utility room catching dust. I'd ride it 10 - 50 miles a day. Everyday for 10 miles; on weekends for 50. I was in excellent shape when I could do that (15 years ago) and without all the medications I have to now take for various issues such as HBP and high cholesterol (which I have been unable to take medication for because of allergies or interference with others that are more important).
Serah87 - your weight loss is amazing and glad you are keeping it off. I know that my weight loss and to keep it off will definitely mean a 'life-style' change (for not only me, but for my husband as well). He eats his 'big' meal during the middle of the day (and he works it off as he does manual labor) and very little at night; so I eat mine in the middle of the day as well, unless we are planning on going 'out to eat' at night. Sometimes I miss a meal during the day if we are going out so that I can eat something that has a bit more calories in it. Normally, I cut whatever I order in half and bring it home to eat the next day.
I measure my food and yes I count and post everything 1/2 cup or less that I eat; that way I know that my CI is correct (or as correct as MFP shows it to be). Every cookie, every ounce of ice cream, every piece of chocolate; every ounce of salad dressing; and if I cook with oil I count what I put in the pan, although I have some left over after cooking and the stuff I am cooking drinks up some. I throw out (usually) what is still left in the pan; but, I still count it as 2 tsp. or 2 Tbsp. because that is what I learned when I went to Weight Watchers (did not lose weight on WW; but, I was not exercising either). The caloric intake was probably 2x what I am on now in a MD weight loss program. The first 2 weeks I felt like I was starving; after that it's been under the CI and I don't feel hungry any more. I 'try' to eat a lot slower, too; because if I 'wolf' down my meal, afterwards I find I am miserable and hungry. That is going to have to be a 'learned behavior' because when I worked I ate of the fly a lot
Sorry I don't know what TDEE is - I go to other sites to get an idea of what numbers they come up with and if they are different I average them out.
I understand that if 'sweat' was the indicator that everybody in Florida would be 'skinny'; but, that is not what I was judging washing my car by; nor did I count that I used muscles that I didn't know I had until I felt like I had done squats for an hour with weights. Backs of my thighs burned for 3 days making it difficult to get up and down from a seating position and walking.
My granddaughter does the macros counting of her food; but, that seems far more difficult than counting calories; and it seems like it would give you a distorted calorie count.
I know that some of you are 'losing' weight and others are 'maintaining' and yet others are 'fitness buffs' with the type of 'hard bodies' that I probably won't ever have again. It'd be nice; but, I am not counting on it. Maybe I will be 'surprised'.0
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