"... Could Be Linked to Obesity..."
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juggernaut1974 wrote: »Analogy of how these things spiral out of control.
Someone (apparently someone new to planet earth) notices that some days more people carry umbrellas than other days. After observing this for a while, they note that on the days more people are carrying umbrellas, it tends to rain more.
They hire some scientific think tank to perform a study. The results confirm their observation - People carrying umbrellas is linked to a higher chance of precipitation that day.
Men's Health headline: Want to cause rain? Just carry an umbrella to work!!!
MFP Poster: I read a study that I can cause rain by carrying an umbrella to work. Would it work better if I carried 4 umbrellas to the grocery store?
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juggernaut1974 wrote: »Analogy of how these things spiral out of control.
Someone (apparently someone new to planet earth) notices that some days more people carry umbrellas than other days. After observing this for a while, they note that on the days more people are carrying umbrellas, it tends to rain more.
They hire some scientific think tank to perform a study. The results confirm their observation - People carrying umbrellas is linked to a higher chance of precipitation that day.
Men's Health headline: Want to cause rain? Just carry an umbrella to work!!!
MFP Poster: I read a study that I can cause rain by carrying an umbrella to work. Would it work better if I carried 4 umbrellas to the grocery store?
Wait, not sure if reading you right... Are you implying that I am supporting the articles in the magazine, or is your comment not correlated with me at all?0 -
Kimegatron wrote: »juggernaut1974 wrote: »Analogy of how these things spiral out of control.
Someone (apparently someone new to planet earth) notices that some days more people carry umbrellas than other days. After observing this for a while, they note that on the days more people are carrying umbrellas, it tends to rain more.
They hire some scientific think tank to perform a study. The results confirm their observation - People carrying umbrellas is linked to a higher chance of precipitation that day.
Men's Health headline: Want to cause rain? Just carry an umbrella to work!!!
MFP Poster: I read a study that I can cause rain by carrying an umbrella to work. Would it work better if I carried 4 umbrellas to the grocery store?
Wait, not sure if reading you right... Are you implying that I am supporting the articles in the magazine, or is your comment not correlated with me at all?
Sorry no I didn't mean to imply that at all - apologies if that wasn't clear.
It was more intended to skewer the magazines that twist and mangle the whole "linked to" concept in studies and turn it into the derp we see posted on here frequently.0 -
Oh! Okay, I was going to say,
I just get so frustrated reading all of this junk that anything you do in life, is going to cause some sort of health risk. It's just so strange to me! I do love this magazine, but I was so surprised to see this in 3 separate articles. It drives me nuts! There are really going to be people out there thinking that if they drink 11 oz of coffee while pregnant, that they are lowering the risk of their children being obese, because they're not drinking the 12 oz.0 -
Sensational headlines sell magazines and newspapers. Scaring you into reading the articles sells magazines and newspapers. In fact, creating a proper headline is an art form, and sometimes will give you the opposite impression of what the article is about. Sad, but true. People also want quick and easy solutions. By giving a 'link' to a bad thing makes a lot of people think if the correct the link, they correct the problem. Profit!0
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oyChihuahua wrote: »DragonShoe_GCole wrote: »I lol'd; this just in----
Posting on MyFitnessPal now linked to obesity...
Therefore flagging spam could be linked to obesity
I thought if you ate Spam it lead to. . . . .
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_Terrapin_ wrote: »oyChihuahua wrote: »DragonShoe_GCole wrote: »I lol'd; this just in----
Posting on MyFitnessPal now linked to obesity...
Therefore flagging spam could be linked to obesity
I thought if you ate Spam it lead to. . . . .
I thought eating spam was a natural appetite suppressant.0 -
_Terrapin_ wrote: »oyChihuahua wrote: »DragonShoe_GCole wrote: »I lol'd; this just in----
Posting on MyFitnessPal now linked to obesity...
Therefore flagging spam could be linked to obesity
I thought if you ate Spam it lead to. . . . .
I thought eating spam was a natural appetite suppressant.
Yeah, I'm pretty sure I won't lick the lid.
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Two threads a few days back were on obesity and pollutants, sorry, was going off of that, since this topic seemed so open ended.
No matter how much your hormones may or may not be disrupted, you body can't store fat if you haven't eaten enough to enable your body to do so.0 -
Yeah, I'm Generation... um, Generation No-Man's-Land-between-X-and-Y... and we spent our childhood outside playing in the street. When it got dark it was time to come inside. When we got a little older we'd hop on our bikes and go around the neighbourhood, and end up at whoever's house was closest for dinner. Nobody had cell phones. The rule was you had to phone if you were going to be elsewhere for dinner, other than that it was just assumed you were fine. We didn't have any video games, and the computer was strictly for homework.
I compare that to my friends' kids, and even the active ones don't have that much freedom or that much time to play. Their activity is more scheduled, and there always needs to be a parent supervising the kids at the park or whatever, or else someone might call the cops. We went to the park and played all the time and nobody would have thought twice about there not being an adult around.
My childhood was also basically the above. I didn't start gaining weight until I was a teenager with an after-school job and my own computer.0 -
No. It's not just what you eat and how you move. Your body is incredibly complex and anything that causes it to fall out of homeostasis, or equilibrium, can have effects in other areas. Fat is a good way for your body to store toxins away from organs, so anything toxic can be linked to an increase in fat stores.. additionally anything that affects hormones can increase fat. etc.etc. it's not just what you eat or CICO.. but overall if you look after yourself you won't be obese.0
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No. It's not just what you eat and how you move. Your body is incredibly complex and anything that causes it to fall out of homeostasis, or equilibrium, can have effects in other areas. Fat is a good way for your body to store toxins away from organs, so anything toxic can be linked to an increase in fat stores.. additionally anything that affects hormones can increase fat. etc.etc. it's not just what you eat or CICO.. but overall if you look after yourself you won't be obese.
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No. It's not just what you eat and how you move. Your body is incredibly complex and anything that causes it to fall out of homeostasis, or equilibrium, can have effects in other areas. Fat is a good way for your body to store toxins away from organs, so anything toxic can be linked to an increase in fat stores.. additionally anything that affects hormones can increase fat. etc.etc. it's not just what you eat or CICO.. but overall if you look after yourself you won't be obese.
This is why detoxes are so popular. Laxative tea, anyone?0 -
No. It's not just what you eat and how you move. Your body is incredibly complex and anything that causes it to fall out of homeostasis, or equilibrium, can have effects in other areas. Fat is a good way for your body to store toxins away from organs, so anything toxic can be linked to an increase in fat stores.. additionally anything that affects hormones can increase fat. etc.etc. it's not just what you eat or CICO.. but overall if you look after yourself you won't be obese.
Name some of these specific toxins please....0 -
What does your body build this fat storage out of? Where does this fat come from if you are eating in a deficit?No. It's not just what you eat and how you move. Your body is incredibly complex and anything that causes it to fall out of homeostasis, or equilibrium, can have effects in other areas. Fat is a good way for your body to store toxins away from organs, so anything toxic can be linked to an increase in fat stores.. additionally anything that affects hormones can increase fat. etc.etc. it's not just what you eat or CICO.. but overall if you look after yourself you won't be obese.
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But there is medical research and reasoning behind why there is a link.Kimegatron wrote: »So I'm reading the new issue of Parents magazine... Not even 1/2 way in, I have read 3 articles already saying "such and such" is or could be linked to obesity...
Isn't what you feed yourself, or your children, as in quantity, the only thing linked to obesity, aside from medical issues??? What is going on?!
Drinking more than 12oz of caffeine a day COULD be linked to obesity
Giving antiobotics can cause tummy troubles and have been linked to obesity
What you talk about at the dinner table COULD/IS linked to obesity...
The link is not.. You take antibiotics and it automatically adds 10 pounds. Instead the link with antibiotics is that it affects hormones, specifically the ghrelin and leptin hormones which control appetite and control the feelings of satiety. Because antibiotics mess this up you feel more hungry and less full causing a person to eat more which may eventually lead to obesity if not controlled. Personally I've felt this after taking a high dose of antibiotics and took a long time to get back to normal. Same goes for coffee its not the calories that would lead to obesity but probably something in caffeine/coffee effects blood sugar causing increased eating habits. So i think that is what they mean when they use the word 'link'. It's not an a=b effect but more of an a=b=c therefore a=c effect (if that makes sense).
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There is only one reason these articles are written, to sell magazines to justify advertising rates to turn a profit. Out had very little too duo with science.0
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LastingChanges wrote: »
But there is medical research and reasoning behind why there is a link.Kimegatron wrote: »So I'm reading the new issue of Parents magazine... Not even 1/2 way in, I have read 3 articles already saying "such and such" is or could be linked to obesity...
Isn't what you feed yourself, or your children, as in quantity, the only thing linked to obesity, aside from medical issues??? What is going on?!
Drinking more than 12oz of caffeine a day COULD be linked to obesity
Giving antiobotics can cause tummy troubles and have been linked to obesity
What you talk about at the dinner table COULD/IS linked to obesity...
The link is not.. You take antibiotics and it automatically adds 10 pounds. Instead the link with antibiotics is that it affects hormones, specifically the ghrelin and leptin hormones which control appetite and control the feelings of satiety. Because antibiotics mess this up you feel more hungry and less full causing a person to eat more which may eventually lead to obesity if not controlled. Personally I've felt this after taking a high dose of antibiotics and took a long time to get back to normal. Same goes for coffee its not the calories that would lead to obesity but probably something in caffeine/coffee effects blood sugar causing increased eating habits. So i think that is what they mean when they use the word 'link'. It's not an a=b effect but more of an a=b=c therefore a=c effect (if that makes sense).
That's strange, I have never felt that after taking meds or drinking coffee. Weird0 -
Kimegatron wrote: »LastingChanges wrote: »
But there is medical research and reasoning behind why there is a link.Kimegatron wrote: »So I'm reading the new issue of Parents magazine... Not even 1/2 way in, I have read 3 articles already saying "such and such" is or could be linked to obesity...
Isn't what you feed yourself, or your children, as in quantity, the only thing linked to obesity, aside from medical issues??? What is going on?!
Drinking more than 12oz of caffeine a day COULD be linked to obesity
Giving antiobotics can cause tummy troubles and have been linked to obesity
What you talk about at the dinner table COULD/IS linked to obesity...
The link is not.. You take antibiotics and it automatically adds 10 pounds. Instead the link with antibiotics is that it affects hormones, specifically the ghrelin and leptin hormones which control appetite and control the feelings of satiety. Because antibiotics mess this up you feel more hungry and less full causing a person to eat more which may eventually lead to obesity if not controlled. Personally I've felt this after taking a high dose of antibiotics and took a long time to get back to normal. Same goes for coffee its not the calories that would lead to obesity but probably something in caffeine/coffee effects blood sugar causing increased eating habits. So i think that is what they mean when they use the word 'link'. It's not an a=b effect but more of an a=b=c therefore a=c effect (if that makes sense).
That's strange, I have never felt that after taking meds or drinking coffee. Weird
Actually, usually coffee/caffeine is associated with weight loss, probably because of the increase NEAT that comes with it.0 -
With coffee theres different research that goes back and forth on the effects and benefits of it.0
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And with antibiotics theres a lot of side effects from them which is why drs now actually recommend to take probiotics after, which they never did before. It has a whole bunch of different effects on your system. If you havent experienced them then you are lucky.0
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LastingChanges wrote: »And with antibiotics theres a lot of side effects from them which is why drs now actually recommend to take probiotics after, which they never did before. It has a whole bunch of different effects on your system. If you havent experienced them then you are lucky.
Recommending probiotics isn't a new thing; and they're recommended because it's long been known to cause diarrhea as a side effect. Antibiotics kill bacteria, both good and bad. It's common sense to replenish the good.0 -
LastingChanges wrote: »And with antibiotics theres a lot of side effects from them which is why drs now actually recommend to take probiotics after, which they never did before. It has a whole bunch of different effects on your system. If you havent experienced them then you are lucky.
Recommending probiotics isn't a new thing; and they're recommended because it's long been known to cause diarrhea as a side effect. Antibiotics kill bacteria, both good and bad. It's common sense to replenish the good.
Ive always seen it as common sense but I've never had a dr recommend it until recently. Usually they used to prescribe antibiotics only but now they prescribe it together. But either way they do effect your system from your stomach to hormones. Plus even those good bacterias in the stomach that the antibiotics are effecting have control over appetite and weight gain.0 -
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Magical space unicorns secretly unleashing fat rays from their horns as a pre invasion... May be linked to obesity.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »
Two threads a few days back were on obesity and pollutants, sorry, was going off of that, since this topic seemed so open ended.
No matter how much your hormones may or may not be disrupted, you body can't store fat if you haven't eaten enough to enable your body to do so.
But it can mess with my satiety, possibly my thyroid function, and doubtless my energy levels, too.
I'm a human being, not a robot. What, when, and how much I eat are not simple logical formulas. They're all driven by my biochemistry and all I have to fight back with is my poor conscious mind, who also has plenty of other stuff to be doing and which I'd much rather use for more important things than fighting excess hunger, cravings, fatigue, and other issues that may very well be related to pollutants, thanks very much. Also, jogging outside in polluted air might just make us all stupider. Doesn't that matter to you?0 -
I noticed people on MFP like to look at how our bodies work in a very simplified way. There's more mechanisms/processes inside us besides calories in and calories out. Also science and research is an ongoing thing there will always be new info discovered and old info retracted. The unicorns thing and umbrella examples are very different than looking at research regarding obesity links. I understand magazines publish stories because they want to sell but the headlines the OG poster posted do have research to back them up.0
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stevencloser wrote: »
Two threads a few days back were on obesity and pollutants, sorry, was going off of that, since this topic seemed so open ended.
No matter how much your hormones may or may not be disrupted, you body can't store fat if you haven't eaten enough to enable your body to do so.
But it can mess with my satiety, possibly my thyroid function, and doubtless my energy levels, too.
I'm a human being, not a robot. What, when, and how much I eat are not simple logical formulas. They're all driven by my biochemistry and all I have to fight back with is my poor conscious mind, who also has plenty of other stuff to be doing and which I'd much rather use for more important things than fighting excess hunger, cravings, fatigue, and other issues that may very well be related to pollutants, thanks very much. Also, jogging outside in polluted air might just make us all stupider. Doesn't that matter to you?
Are you saying your conscious mind isn't better than that of a pet that's gonna eat everything and get fat if you put the food in front of it? I think you're doing yourself a disservice if you're gonna put the importance of your own mind down like that.0 -
LastingChanges wrote: »I noticed people on MFP like to look at how our bodies work in a very simplified way. There's more mechanisms/processes inside us besides calories in and calories out. Also science and research is an ongoing thing there will always be new info discovered and old info retracted. The unicorns thing and umbrella examples are very different than looking at research regarding obesity links. I understand magazines publish stories because they want to sell but the headlines the OG poster posted do have research to back them up.
Calories in and out is the absolute basis of your body storing and using energy. Nothing can circumvent it. Energy that isn't there can't be stored, you could put billions into research and nothing would change about this simple premise.
If you're gaining fat it means your body received more energy than it used up and is storing that excess. If there is no excess, nothing can be stored.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »stevencloser wrote: »
Two threads a few days back were on obesity and pollutants, sorry, was going off of that, since this topic seemed so open ended.
No matter how much your hormones may or may not be disrupted, you body can't store fat if you haven't eaten enough to enable your body to do so.
But it can mess with my satiety, possibly my thyroid function, and doubtless my energy levels, too.
I'm a human being, not a robot. What, when, and how much I eat are not simple logical formulas. They're all driven by my biochemistry and all I have to fight back with is my poor conscious mind, who also has plenty of other stuff to be doing and which I'd much rather use for more important things than fighting excess hunger, cravings, fatigue, and other issues that may very well be related to pollutants, thanks very much. Also, jogging outside in polluted air might just make us all stupider. Doesn't that matter to you?
Are you saying your conscious mind isn't better than that of a pet that's gonna eat everything and get fat if you put the food in front of it? I think you're doing yourself a disservice if you're gonna put the importance of your own mind down like that.
If that were true I'd never have lost the weight that I have lost. I am saying it has cost me incredible effort to lose weight and it costs me incredible effort every day not to gain it all back. And if any part of it is due to the ingestion of man made chemicals (and possibly the over ingestion of natural mimickers, such as soy) then it's time to figure out how to put an end to that, both by avoiding these chemicals as much as I can and by being politically and socially active in an effort to clean up our environment and prevent a worsening of the problem.0
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