Losing weight when your medication wont allow you.
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Iron_Feline wrote: »robertwilkens wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »After doing some reading it seems many causes of needing Rx Meds can be at least diet related in part. If we can find a way of eating that lessened our needs for Rx Meds. Google can help find the science behind how eating a different way may address the core health concerns needing to be medicated in the first place. I know my family is thankful I was able to improve my physical health and state of mind by diet and get Rx Med free. This may not work for everyone but I have found has my physical health improves so does my mental health.
Untreated mental illness kills. No diet in the world is going to fix a mood disorder. If you're going to google, use Google Scholar to read actual scientific journals written by actual scientists.
Most of the antipsychotics are horrible when it comes to weight gain. No one has ever done good research to look at whether they're increasing appetite or decreasing metabolism or both. I gained 20 lbs on xyprexa years ago. I was much younger, but I dropped it in less than 3 months when changed meds. If you go off the meds, are you likely to slip into the kind of depression where you shove carbs in your face and don't want to get out of bed?
That makes me suspect it caused a reduced metabolism, which means you're going to have to keep cutting calories/increasing exercise until you see weight loss.
Consider that neurotransmitters (dopamine and seratonin, which these medicines act on) are CREATED by your GUT BACTERIA... And what you feed them affects what gut bacteria live and die and how much of what is produced, then yes, your diet affects your mental health directly.
But that doesn't mean you can cure your problems with a change in diet and certainly doesn't mean someone should just stop taking their meds on the basis of a google article.
Consult your Dr's people.
No one is telling anyone to stop taking their meds.
Lord knows with 11 hospitalizations (most recent 5+ years ago) I am cautious.. My doc tells me i can take as little as 2mg of risperidone if i want, but by choice i take 3.25mg.
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robertwilkens wrote: »Iron_Feline wrote: »robertwilkens wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »After doing some reading it seems many causes of needing Rx Meds can be at least diet related in part. If we can find a way of eating that lessened our needs for Rx Meds. Google can help find the science behind how eating a different way may address the core health concerns needing to be medicated in the first place. I know my family is thankful I was able to improve my physical health and state of mind by diet and get Rx Med free. This may not work for everyone but I have found has my physical health improves so does my mental health.
Untreated mental illness kills. No diet in the world is going to fix a mood disorder. If you're going to google, use Google Scholar to read actual scientific journals written by actual scientists.
Most of the antipsychotics are horrible when it comes to weight gain. No one has ever done good research to look at whether they're increasing appetite or decreasing metabolism or both. I gained 20 lbs on xyprexa years ago. I was much younger, but I dropped it in less than 3 months when changed meds. If you go off the meds, are you likely to slip into the kind of depression where you shove carbs in your face and don't want to get out of bed?
That makes me suspect it caused a reduced metabolism, which means you're going to have to keep cutting calories/increasing exercise until you see weight loss.
Consider that neurotransmitters (dopamine and seratonin, which these medicines act on) are CREATED by your GUT BACTERIA... And what you feed them affects what gut bacteria live and die and how much of what is produced, then yes, your diet affects your mental health directly.
But that doesn't mean you can cure your problems with a change in diet and certainly doesn't mean someone should just stop taking their meds on the basis of a google article.
Consult your Dr's people.
No one is telling anyone to stop taking their meds.
Lord knows with 11 hospitalizations (most recent 5+ years ago) I am cautious.. My doc tells me i can take as little as 2mg of risperidone if i want, but by choice i take 3.25mg.
-Rob
Galehawkins basically was - that's what everyone is up in arms about.0 -
robertwilkens wrote: »Iron_Feline wrote: »robertwilkens wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »After doing some reading it seems many causes of needing Rx Meds can be at least diet related in part. If we can find a way of eating that lessened our needs for Rx Meds. Google can help find the science behind how eating a different way may address the core health concerns needing to be medicated in the first place. I know my family is thankful I was able to improve my physical health and state of mind by diet and get Rx Med free. This may not work for everyone but I have found has my physical health improves so does my mental health.
Untreated mental illness kills. No diet in the world is going to fix a mood disorder. If you're going to google, use Google Scholar to read actual scientific journals written by actual scientists.
Most of the antipsychotics are horrible when it comes to weight gain. No one has ever done good research to look at whether they're increasing appetite or decreasing metabolism or both. I gained 20 lbs on xyprexa years ago. I was much younger, but I dropped it in less than 3 months when changed meds. If you go off the meds, are you likely to slip into the kind of depression where you shove carbs in your face and don't want to get out of bed?
That makes me suspect it caused a reduced metabolism, which means you're going to have to keep cutting calories/increasing exercise until you see weight loss.
Consider that neurotransmitters (dopamine and seratonin, which these medicines act on) are CREATED by your GUT BACTERIA... And what you feed them affects what gut bacteria live and die and how much of what is produced, then yes, your diet affects your mental health directly.
But that doesn't mean you can cure your problems with a change in diet and certainly doesn't mean someone should just stop taking their meds on the basis of a google article.
Consult your Dr's people.
No one is telling anyone to stop taking their meds.
Lord knows with 11 hospitalizations (most recent 5+ years ago) I am cautious.. My doc tells me i can take as little as 2mg of risperidone if i want, but by choice i take 3.25mg.
-Rob
The tone and posting history of another poster in this thread suggests otherwise.
Cautious is good.0 -
Iron_Feline wrote: »robertwilkens wrote: »Iron_Feline wrote: »robertwilkens wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »After doing some reading it seems many causes of needing Rx Meds can be at least diet related in part. If we can find a way of eating that lessened our needs for Rx Meds. Google can help find the science behind how eating a different way may address the core health concerns needing to be medicated in the first place. I know my family is thankful I was able to improve my physical health and state of mind by diet and get Rx Med free. This may not work for everyone but I have found has my physical health improves so does my mental health.
Untreated mental illness kills. No diet in the world is going to fix a mood disorder. If you're going to google, use Google Scholar to read actual scientific journals written by actual scientists.
Most of the antipsychotics are horrible when it comes to weight gain. No one has ever done good research to look at whether they're increasing appetite or decreasing metabolism or both. I gained 20 lbs on xyprexa years ago. I was much younger, but I dropped it in less than 3 months when changed meds. If you go off the meds, are you likely to slip into the kind of depression where you shove carbs in your face and don't want to get out of bed?
That makes me suspect it caused a reduced metabolism, which means you're going to have to keep cutting calories/increasing exercise until you see weight loss.
Consider that neurotransmitters (dopamine and seratonin, which these medicines act on) are CREATED by your GUT BACTERIA... And what you feed them affects what gut bacteria live and die and how much of what is produced, then yes, your diet affects your mental health directly.
But that doesn't mean you can cure your problems with a change in diet and certainly doesn't mean someone should just stop taking their meds on the basis of a google article.
Consult your Dr's people.
No one is telling anyone to stop taking their meds.
Lord knows with 11 hospitalizations (most recent 5+ years ago) I am cautious.. My doc tells me i can take as little as 2mg of risperidone if i want, but by choice i take 3.25mg.
-Rob
Galehawkins basically was - that's what everyone is up in arms about.
And as you should know - lots of people on medications for mental health think they are cured when they feel better and so stop taking their meds - so saying you can sort yourself out with a diet change may give them the extra push they need to come off their meds - with terrible consequences.
It is simply irresponsible to say just change your diet so you can stop taking meds.0 -
Iron_Feline wrote: »robertwilkens wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »After doing some reading it seems many causes of needing Rx Meds can be at least diet related in part. If we can find a way of eating that lessened our needs for Rx Meds. Google can help find the science behind how eating a different way may address the core health concerns needing to be medicated in the first place. I know my family is thankful I was able to improve my physical health and state of mind by diet and get Rx Med free. This may not work for everyone but I have found has my physical health improves so does my mental health.
Untreated mental illness kills. No diet in the world is going to fix a mood disorder. If you're going to google, use Google Scholar to read actual scientific journals written by actual scientists.
Most of the antipsychotics are horrible when it comes to weight gain. No one has ever done good research to look at whether they're increasing appetite or decreasing metabolism or both. I gained 20 lbs on xyprexa years ago. I was much younger, but I dropped it in less than 3 months when changed meds. If you go off the meds, are you likely to slip into the kind of depression where you shove carbs in your face and don't want to get out of bed?
That makes me suspect it caused a reduced metabolism, which means you're going to have to keep cutting calories/increasing exercise until you see weight loss.
Consider that neurotransmitters (dopamine and seratonin, which these medicines act on) are CREATED by your GUT BACTERIA... And what you feed them affects what gut bacteria live and die and how much of what is produced, then yes, your diet affects your mental health directly.
sorry what?
Dopamine is produced in several areas of the brain, including the substantia nigra and the ventral tegmental area. It is a neurohormone that is released by the hypothalamus. Its action is as a hormone that is an inhibitor or prolactin release from the anterior lobe of the pituitary
It's not just produced in the gut - so that may have some effect - but seriously.
I'm not claiming to be an expert (my "knowledge" comes from a minor in psychology in college, a free online course on 'drugs and the brain', and finally my experience as a patient who has done a little homework), i'm part way through a book i probably won't finish anytime soon - it's called "The Gut Balance Revolution" and i took the author's word on that topic as one of the few 'facts' in the book, though to be honest the author sounds a lot like a salesman for an idea he doesn't entirely believe in.0 -
robertwilkens wrote: »Iron_Feline wrote: »robertwilkens wrote: »GaleHawkins wrote: »After doing some reading it seems many causes of needing Rx Meds can be at least diet related in part. If we can find a way of eating that lessened our needs for Rx Meds. Google can help find the science behind how eating a different way may address the core health concerns needing to be medicated in the first place. I know my family is thankful I was able to improve my physical health and state of mind by diet and get Rx Med free. This may not work for everyone but I have found has my physical health improves so does my mental health.
Untreated mental illness kills. No diet in the world is going to fix a mood disorder. If you're going to google, use Google Scholar to read actual scientific journals written by actual scientists.
Most of the antipsychotics are horrible when it comes to weight gain. No one has ever done good research to look at whether they're increasing appetite or decreasing metabolism or both. I gained 20 lbs on xyprexa years ago. I was much younger, but I dropped it in less than 3 months when changed meds. If you go off the meds, are you likely to slip into the kind of depression where you shove carbs in your face and don't want to get out of bed?
That makes me suspect it caused a reduced metabolism, which means you're going to have to keep cutting calories/increasing exercise until you see weight loss.
Consider that neurotransmitters (dopamine and seratonin, which these medicines act on) are CREATED by your GUT BACTERIA... And what you feed them affects what gut bacteria live and die and how much of what is produced, then yes, your diet affects your mental health directly.
sorry what?
Dopamine is produced in several areas of the brain, including the substantia nigra and the ventral tegmental area. It is a neurohormone that is released by the hypothalamus. Its action is as a hormone that is an inhibitor or prolactin release from the anterior lobe of the pituitary
It's not just produced in the gut - so that may have some effect - but seriously.
I'm not claiming to be an expert (my "knowledge" comes from a minor in psychology in college, a free online course on 'drugs and the brain', and finally my experience as a patient who has done a little homework), i'm part way through a book i probably won't finish anytime soon - it's called "The Gut Balance Revolution" and i took the author's word on that topic as one of the few 'facts' in the book, though to be honest the author sounds a lot like a salesman for an idea he doesn't entirely believe in.
Sadly he's probably just trying to get the next diet craze going in the hopes of making millions, which is bad enough. Oh dear - the first tagline your boost metabolism. :noway:
But if he's also suggesting he can cure illnesses - especial mental health illness with a change in diet he's downright dangerous.
I have no doubt a change in diet for some people 'could' help some of their symptoms - but that's something that would need to be carefully monitored by a doctor. After all if changing their diet one way helps, what if they have a night eating the other way - will it set off a terrible change reaction of events? Far too many variables to suggested it to someone - esp by way of google research.
Oh good lord, that book. Chapters include:
the hidden secret to weight loss,
Top 10 superfoods
Rev up your metabolism
reboot - rebalance - renew
He's hitting every dieting keyword going.
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one of the things i've been reading is that carbs(starchy-not fruity) can help with the weight gain. our bodies are craving the carbs for a reason. so nutritious carbs (may) help stop the weight gain.
idk if it works. I know i gain weight with or without ssris, remeron was the worst.
right now I'm focusing on CICO and adjusting as needed for my many medications(chronic condition)0
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