The Quorn Should be Outlawed.

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  • janejellyroll
    janejellyroll Posts: 25,763 Member
    earlnabby wrote: »
    rabbitjb wrote: »
    It's a know allergen? Like that means anything

    If you're not allergic it's fine

    You didn't know it was fungus?

    Personally I like beef but there's nothing wrong with quorn if you don't have a reaction to it

    Me? I find egg yolk and prawns to be "known allergens" for me

    Me? I have no food allergies but I have to be really careful around new clothes and many personal care products because I am allergic to formaldehyde. Should we ban the majority of shampoos, conditioners. lotions, cosmetics, etc because they contain a known allergen?

    No way. That's the same nonsense as banning peanut butter (schools are different, children don't understand and we constantly get on their little butts to "share", it's totally different) market-wide. But we do demand, as we should, that companies who put egg whites in their shampoos list it so people don't end up with no hair.

    To the fair, the OP does seem to be calling for Quorn to be made illegal.

    The ingredient is noted on the package. I know some people are arguing that they don't think "mycoprotein" is sufficient, but it is listed.
  • jgnatca
    jgnatca Posts: 14,464 Member
    The onus is on the person with the allergy to be educated, and to read labels thoroughly. If Quorn should be outlawed, peanuts would have to go first.

    http://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/peanut-allergy/basics/definition/con-20027898
  • CoffeeNCardio
    CoffeeNCardio Posts: 1,847 Member
    msf74 wrote: »
    rabbitjb wrote: »
    People who have severely anaphylactic children simply don't take chances with unknown ingredients IME

    I find it odd that they didn't look into it

    Do you think that the onus is solely on the consumer or do you think that companies have a duty to be transparent in their labeling of products?

    Incidentally the complaint outlines that the child's mother did check the label but was unaware that it contained mould given how it is worded.

    If this was peanuts these guys would have been arrested already. Yeah, companies have a LEGAL OBLIGATION to list this stuff, not just a moral responsibility. Somebody's baby died for godssakes...

    The problem with your argument is it was labeled. They just didn't realise that the name they were reading was a fungi.
    The onus to label it was fullfiled but a lack of knowledge led to this tragic death. Should it be dumbed down to prevent this happening again. I'd say yes. However you should educate yourself so you always know what you and your child is eating
    I know in the UK allergens now have to be bolded on labels, so it'd be interesting to know if it's bolded.

    The ingredients listing listed "mycoprotein". I'm just saying, if something is labeled as having "quiche" in it, we would still requires the company to list "contains eggs*" at the bottom. We ask them to list "this product was manufactured in a facility that also manufactures products containing soy, eggs, gluten, etc*". I dunno why we let a company say "mycoprotein" and not list "*contains fungus" under the ingredients list like literally every other product out there is required to do. I had NEVER seen that word before in my life. I googled it, so yay me, but how hard is it to just put a little asterisk and the word "fungus" which the general non-vegan population actually are familiar with?

    I feel like the parents weren't careful enough, but this company wasn't careful enough at best, and they were negligent/purposefully manipulative at best. I mean it's a quarter inch of ink.... sounds to me like they didn't want people to hear the word fungus.
  • CoffeeNCardio
    CoffeeNCardio Posts: 1,847 Member
    scyian wrote: »
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    Bad photo off the web of the back of a Quorn mince package notes the potential allergic reaction to mycoprotein.

    Hey, and there it is. If the package had that, then no, the company was not at fault here.
  • CoffeeNCardio
    CoffeeNCardio Posts: 1,847 Member
    earlnabby wrote: »
    rabbitjb wrote: »
    It's a know allergen? Like that means anything

    If you're not allergic it's fine

    You didn't know it was fungus?

    Personally I like beef but there's nothing wrong with quorn if you don't have a reaction to it

    Me? I find egg yolk and prawns to be "known allergens" for me

    Me? I have no food allergies but I have to be really careful around new clothes and many personal care products because I am allergic to formaldehyde. Should we ban the majority of shampoos, conditioners. lotions, cosmetics, etc because they contain a known allergen?

    No way. That's the same nonsense as banning peanut butter (schools are different, children don't understand and we constantly get on their little butts to "share", it's totally different) market-wide. But we do demand, as we should, that companies who put egg whites in their shampoos list it so people don't end up with no hair.

    To the fair, the OP does seem to be calling for Quorn to be made illegal.

    The ingredient is noted on the package. I know some people are arguing that they don't think "mycoprotein" is sufficient, but it is listed.

    Oh, I know, and I disagree with the OP, this comment was just a springboard for my little mini-rant:)
  • samgamgee
    samgamgee Posts: 398 Member
    edited November 2015
    From reading the complaint which details what was written on that particular box, the packaging does have an allergy warning although it doesn't specifically say 'mould', and the marketing does seem to insinuate that the mycoprotein is akin to mushrooms and truffles. I had a look at the top hit for mycoprotein and it does give the genus of the fungus:

    "2 Is Fusarium venenatum a mushroom?
    No. Common mushrooms are one type of fungi, of which more than 60,000 species have so far been identified. Mycoprotein is made from a blend of minerals, glucose and another nutritious member of the fungi family called Fusarium venenatum.

    Fusarium venenatum is microscopic and very different in appearance from the fungi species one would buy in a greengrocer but it is unquestionably part of the fungi kingdom – a group of cellular plant organisms which lack chlorophyll."

    So if you do look it up online then 'microscopic fungus' should probably make you think 'oh my kid with a mould allergy can't have it', but from the marketing I can see why someone would just assume that it's made from standard mushroom-style fungus rather than mould - I did. As someone else said, 'mmm tasty mould' isn't that marketable! Poor kid.
  • janejellyroll
    janejellyroll Posts: 25,763 Member
    edited November 2015
    earlnabby wrote: »
    rabbitjb wrote: »
    It's a know allergen? Like that means anything

    If you're not allergic it's fine

    You didn't know it was fungus?

    Personally I like beef but there's nothing wrong with quorn if you don't have a reaction to it

    Me? I find egg yolk and prawns to be "known allergens" for me

    Me? I have no food allergies but I have to be really careful around new clothes and many personal care products because I am allergic to formaldehyde. Should we ban the majority of shampoos, conditioners. lotions, cosmetics, etc because they contain a known allergen?

    No way. That's the same nonsense as banning peanut butter (schools are different, children don't understand and we constantly get on their little butts to "share", it's totally different) market-wide. But we do demand, as we should, that companies who put egg whites in their shampoos list it so people don't end up with no hair.

    To the fair, the OP does seem to be calling for Quorn to be made illegal.

    The ingredient is noted on the package. I know some people are arguing that they don't think "mycoprotein" is sufficient, but it is listed.

    Oh, I know, and I disagree with the OP, this comment was just a springboard for my little mini-rant:)

    ADDITIVE30021406668210_image_982w.jpg&w=1484

    But the label does make the connection, at least in the US. Although I don't know when this label was put in place.
  • CoffeeNCardio
    CoffeeNCardio Posts: 1,847 Member
    earlnabby wrote: »
    rabbitjb wrote: »
    It's a know allergen? Like that means anything

    If you're not allergic it's fine

    You didn't know it was fungus?

    Personally I like beef but there's nothing wrong with quorn if you don't have a reaction to it

    Me? I find egg yolk and prawns to be "known allergens" for me

    Me? I have no food allergies but I have to be really careful around new clothes and many personal care products because I am allergic to formaldehyde. Should we ban the majority of shampoos, conditioners. lotions, cosmetics, etc because they contain a known allergen?

    No way. That's the same nonsense as banning peanut butter (schools are different, children don't understand and we constantly get on their little butts to "share", it's totally different) market-wide. But we do demand, as we should, that companies who put egg whites in their shampoos list it so people don't end up with no hair.

    To the fair, the OP does seem to be calling for Quorn to be made illegal.

    The ingredient is noted on the package. I know some people are arguing that they don't think "mycoprotein" is sufficient, but it is listed.

    Oh, I know, and I disagree with the OP, this comment was just a springboard for my little mini-rant:)

    ADDITIVE30021406668210_image_982w.jpg&w=1484

    But the label does make the connection, at least in the US.

    Yeah, see my photo comment.
  • janejellyroll
    janejellyroll Posts: 25,763 Member
    earlnabby wrote: »
    rabbitjb wrote: »
    It's a know allergen? Like that means anything

    If you're not allergic it's fine

    You didn't know it was fungus?

    Personally I like beef but there's nothing wrong with quorn if you don't have a reaction to it

    Me? I find egg yolk and prawns to be "known allergens" for me

    Me? I have no food allergies but I have to be really careful around new clothes and many personal care products because I am allergic to formaldehyde. Should we ban the majority of shampoos, conditioners. lotions, cosmetics, etc because they contain a known allergen?

    No way. That's the same nonsense as banning peanut butter (schools are different, children don't understand and we constantly get on their little butts to "share", it's totally different) market-wide. But we do demand, as we should, that companies who put egg whites in their shampoos list it so people don't end up with no hair.

    To the fair, the OP does seem to be calling for Quorn to be made illegal.

    The ingredient is noted on the package. I know some people are arguing that they don't think "mycoprotein" is sufficient, but it is listed.

    Oh, I know, and I disagree with the OP, this comment was just a springboard for my little mini-rant:)

    ADDITIVE30021406668210_image_982w.jpg&w=1484

    But the label does make the connection, at least in the US.

    Yeah, see my photo comment.

    Sorry -- I missed your post. You're thinking too fast! :P
  • gothchiq
    gothchiq Posts: 4,590 Member
    they need to be specific on the packaging so that people with allergies can easily avoid it without having to search for small type.
  • Sued0nim
    Sued0nim Posts: 17,456 Member
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  • janejellyroll
    janejellyroll Posts: 25,763 Member
    edited November 2015
    gothchiq wrote: »
    they need to be specific on the packaging so that people with allergies can easily avoid it without having to search for small type.

    I don't know how much more specific they could be without coming to your house and slapping it out of your hand if you aren't supposed to eat it.

    OP is saying that people are buying it thinking it is beef. If they aren't reading anything already on the package, I'm not sure what companies are supposed to do besides call it "NOT BEEF."
  • CoffeeNCardio
    CoffeeNCardio Posts: 1,847 Member
    earlnabby wrote: »
    rabbitjb wrote: »
    It's a know allergen? Like that means anything

    If you're not allergic it's fine

    You didn't know it was fungus?

    Personally I like beef but there's nothing wrong with quorn if you don't have a reaction to it

    Me? I find egg yolk and prawns to be "known allergens" for me

    Me? I have no food allergies but I have to be really careful around new clothes and many personal care products because I am allergic to formaldehyde. Should we ban the majority of shampoos, conditioners. lotions, cosmetics, etc because they contain a known allergen?

    No way. That's the same nonsense as banning peanut butter (schools are different, children don't understand and we constantly get on their little butts to "share", it's totally different) market-wide. But we do demand, as we should, that companies who put egg whites in their shampoos list it so people don't end up with no hair.

    To the fair, the OP does seem to be calling for Quorn to be made illegal.

    The ingredient is noted on the package. I know some people are arguing that they don't think "mycoprotein" is sufficient, but it is listed.

    Oh, I know, and I disagree with the OP, this comment was just a springboard for my little mini-rant:)

    ADDITIVE30021406668210_image_982w.jpg&w=1484

    But the label does make the connection, at least in the US.

    Yeah, see my photo comment.

    Sorry -- I missed your post. You're thinking too fast! :P

    I will be sure to stop ingesting sugar, I hear that will slow my brain down :p
  • stealthq
    stealthq Posts: 4,298 Member
    msf74 wrote: »
    stealthq wrote: »

    It sounds as though the consumer in this case was not educated sufficiently.

    Should companies be expected to make allowances for this and if not how do we protect people who are vulnerable due to lack of education (or should they not deserve protection?)

    It's up to the medical community in combination with the individual to make certain they have adequate education.

    What if the consumer can't read (either at all, or just doesn't know the language)? OK, you could put a picture of the problem ingredient (despite the fact that just about every ingredient is a problem for someone in the world). But what if they can't see? Then they'd need to find someone to look at the packaging for them - which by the way also works for people who can't read.

    The company cannot be expected to cover all eventualities - that is why there are standards for what is expected of them. Otherwise, there wouldn't be a single product on the shelves. Just about all ingredients are an allergen or disease-exacerbating substance to someone in the world. That is why a comprehensive ingredient list is mandatory.
  • scyian
    scyian Posts: 243 Member
    It's a very small percentage who are allergic. I'm allergic to penicillin and found out the hard way, but it benefits the majority.
  • earlnabby
    earlnabby Posts: 8,171 Member
    gothchiq wrote: »
    they need to be specific on the packaging so that people with allergies can easily avoid it without having to search for small type.

    I agree, but many do not. My formaldehyde allergy: most personal care products do not put it on the label because it isn't actually added to the product, it is released by the preservatives they use (Methylchloroisothiazolinone, Methylisothiazolinone, DMDM Hydantoin, Diazolidinyl and Imidazolidinyl Urea are the worst offenders) which is why people who have allergies need to educate themselves rather than trust manufacturers to inform them.
  • stealthq
    stealthq Posts: 4,298 Member
    msf74 wrote: »
    rabbitjb wrote: »
    People who have severely anaphylactic children simply don't take chances with unknown ingredients IME

    I find it odd that they didn't look into it

    Do you think that the onus is solely on the consumer or do you think that companies have a duty to be transparent in their labeling of products?

    Incidentally the complaint outlines that the child's mother did check the label but was unaware that it contained mould given how it is worded.

    If this was peanuts these guys would have been arrested already. Yeah, companies have a LEGAL OBLIGATION to list this stuff, not just a moral responsibility. Somebody's baby died for godssakes...

    The problem with your argument is it was labeled. They just didn't realise that the name they were reading was a fungi.
    The onus to label it was fullfiled but a lack of knowledge led to this tragic death. Should it be dumbed down to prevent this happening again. I'd say yes. However you should educate yourself so you always know what you and your child is eating
    I know in the UK allergens now have to be bolded on labels, so it'd be interesting to know if it's bolded.

    The ingredients listing listed "mycoprotein". I'm just saying, if something is labeled as having "quiche" in it, we would still requires the company to list "contains eggs*" at the bottom. We ask them to list "this product was manufactured in a facility that also manufactures products containing soy, eggs, gluten, etc*". I dunno why we let a company say "mycoprotein" and not list "*contains fungus" under the ingredients list like literally every other product out there is required to do. I had NEVER seen that word before in my life. I googled it, so yay me, but how hard is it to just put a little asterisk and the word "fungus" which the general non-vegan population actually are familiar with?

    I feel like the parents weren't careful enough, but this company wasn't careful enough at best, and they were negligent/purposefully manipulative at best. I mean it's a quarter inch of ink.... sounds to me like they didn't want people to hear the word fungus.

    My problem here is that the company can't be negligent if they followed legal standards. Maybe standards need to change, but it's not right to have a set of standards that a company follows to the letter and then claim the company is negligent.

    Honestly, I can't imagine having a problem with ingesting fungus and not knowing that 'myco' anything would be something to avoid - at least until I could check it out in detail.

    I'll also comment that I don't believe that molds are fungi is particularly common knowledge. If this child was specifically allergic to mold, and the label listed 'mycoprotein [derived from fungi]' as you suggest, it may not have made any difference.
  • VintageFeline
    VintageFeline Posts: 6,771 Member
    There's also the risk that packaging becomes so wordy as to not help anyone!

    As a consumer you have a responsibility to yourself, if you know you have allergies then perhaps avoid products with unfamiliar ingredients until you know more? We can't be spoon fed absolutely everything and then sue because we're incapable of a little self education.
  • thankyou4thevenom
    thankyou4thevenom Posts: 1,581 Member
    msf74 wrote: »
    rabbitjb wrote: »
    People who have severely anaphylactic children simply don't take chances with unknown ingredients IME

    I find it odd that they didn't look into it

    Do you think that the onus is solely on the consumer or do you think that companies have a duty to be transparent in their labeling of products?

    Incidentally the complaint outlines that the child's mother did check the label but was unaware that it contained mould given how it is worded.

    If this was peanuts these guys would have been arrested already. Yeah, companies have a LEGAL OBLIGATION to list this stuff, not just a moral responsibility. Somebody's baby died for godssakes...

    The problem with your argument is it was labeled. They just didn't realise that the name they were reading was a fungi.
    The onus to label it was fullfiled but a lack of knowledge led to this tragic death. Should it be dumbed down to prevent this happening again. I'd say yes. However you should educate yourself so you always know what you and your child is eating
    I know in the UK allergens now have to be bolded on labels, so it'd be interesting to know if it's bolded.
    msf74 wrote: »
    rabbitjb wrote: »
    People who have severely anaphylactic children simply don't take chances with unknown ingredients IME

    I find it odd that they didn't look into it

    Do you think that the onus is solely on the consumer or do you think that companies have a duty to be transparent in their labeling of products?

    Incidentally the complaint outlines that the child's mother did check the label but was unaware that it contained mould given how it is worded.

    If this was peanuts these guys would have been arrested already. Yeah, companies have a LEGAL OBLIGATION to list this stuff, not just a moral responsibility. Somebody's baby died for godssakes...

    The problem with your argument is it was labeled. They just didn't realise that the name they were reading was a fungi.
    The onus to label it was fullfiled but a lack of knowledge led to this tragic death. Should it be dumbed down to prevent this happening again. I'd say yes. However you should educate yourself so you always know what you and your child is eating
    I know in the UK allergens now have to be bolded on labels, so it'd be interesting to know if it's bolded.

    The ingredients listing listed "mycoprotein". I'm just saying, if something is labeled as having "quiche" in it, we would still requires the company to list "contains eggs*" at the bottom. We ask them to list "this product was manufactured in a facility that also manufactures products containing soy, eggs, gluten, etc*". I dunno why we let a company say "mycoprotein" and not list "*contains fungus" under the ingredients list like literally every other product out there is required to do. I had NEVER seen that word before in my life. I googled it, so yay me, but how hard is it to just put a little asterisk and the word "fungus" which the general non-vegan population actually are familiar with?

    I feel like the parents weren't careful enough, but this company wasn't careful enough at best, and they were negligent/purposefully manipulative at best. I mean it's a quarter inch of ink.... sounds to me like they didn't want people to hear the word fungus.

    Because Mycoprotien is type of fungus. It's why in my edit I put it should be labeled in brackets because even people who are looking after those with severe allergies either can't be bothered or not educated well enough to know it is one. If you have someone with THAT severe of an allergy you'd be really careful. They clearly weren't.

    Also the quiche thing doesn't work because that's a product made of many ingredients. Mycoprotien is a type of fungus but not all fungus is Mycoprotien. It's the same with peanuts. They are a type of nut but not all nuts are peanuts.
  • DaddieCat
    DaddieCat Posts: 3,643 Member
    42firm03 wrote: »
    rabbitjb wrote: »
    There may be a distinct marketing difference ..quorn has been available here since mid 90s ..it's well know. And available in all supermarkets



    Middle aged American here. I shop and cook a lot. I wonder if it's new or newish here.
    I've never heard of it and wouldn't have had a clue what mycoprotein is till you guys talked about.
    Seems It should have an allergen statement on it.

    Young American here, and I agree, I have only heard of this because my sister in law went vegan and likes it when we all go to vegan/vegetarian restaurants together (she's desperately trying to convert us). That one time in that one place was the only time I have ever even heard of it, I don't shop at whole foods, cause $$$$$$$$ so I have never encountered it in the package.

    I just want to point out to your sister in law that Quorn is not a vegan food.
  • scyian
    scyian Posts: 243 Member
    I just had Quorn mince this evening and it states in the allergy warning on the back of the packet that mycoprotein is a member of the fungi/mould family. I'm in the UK. Is the wording different in the US? Since the law suit is claiming it didn't state mould on the packaging.
  • CoffeeNCardio
    CoffeeNCardio Posts: 1,847 Member
    edited November 2015
    42firm03 wrote: »
    rabbitjb wrote: »
    There may be a distinct marketing difference ..quorn has been available here since mid 90s ..it's well know. And available in all supermarkets



    Middle aged American here. I shop and cook a lot. I wonder if it's new or newish here.
    I've never heard of it and wouldn't have had a clue what mycoprotein is till you guys talked about.
    Seems It should have an allergen statement on it.

    Young American here, and I agree, I have only heard of this because my sister in law went vegan and likes it when we all go to vegan/vegetarian restaurants together (she's desperately trying to convert us). That one time in that one place was the only time I have ever even heard of it, I don't shop at whole foods, cause $$$$$$$$ so I have never encountered it in the package.

    I just want to point out to your sister in law that Quorn is not a vegan food.

    It was something I was considering at a vegan SLASH vegetarian restaurant. I think she knew. She doesn't approve of meat substitutes, as well as animal products in general.
  • CoffeeNCardio
    CoffeeNCardio Posts: 1,847 Member
    stealthq wrote: »

    Yeah, y'all go back and read my photo comment.
  • DaddieCat
    DaddieCat Posts: 3,643 Member
    42firm03 wrote: »
    rabbitjb wrote: »
    There may be a distinct marketing difference ..quorn has been available here since mid 90s ..it's well know. And available in all supermarkets



    Middle aged American here. I shop and cook a lot. I wonder if it's new or newish here.
    I've never heard of it and wouldn't have had a clue what mycoprotein is till you guys talked about.
    Seems It should have an allergen statement on it.

    Young American here, and I agree, I have only heard of this because my sister in law went vegan and likes it when we all go to vegan/vegetarian restaurants together (she's desperately trying to convert us). That one time in that one place was the only time I have ever even heard of it, I don't shop at whole foods, cause $$$$$$$$ so I have never encountered it in the package.

    I just want to point out to your sister in law that Quorn is not a vegan food.

    It was something I was considering at a vegan SLASH vegetarian restaurant. I think she knew. She also doesn't approve of meat substitutes.

    Just wanted to say since one of the ingredients are eggs. I obviously don't care what your sister chooses to do, since it's her life, but it might be an emotionally negative experience if she were thinking she was doing well on a vegan diet only to discover she'd been consuming eggs on a regular basis.
  • amusedmonkey
    amusedmonkey Posts: 10,330 Member
    The list of ingredients is there for a reason. I'm allergic to egg whites and celery. Celery is not one of the "big 8" so allergy warnings are not common. Instead of pushing for banning celery I simply, you know, read the ingredients.
  • _Waffle_
    _Waffle_ Posts: 13,049 Member
    42firm03 wrote: »
    rabbitjb wrote: »
    There may be a distinct marketing difference ..quorn has been available here since mid 90s ..it's well know. And available in all supermarkets



    Middle aged American here. I shop and cook a lot. I wonder if it's new or newish here.
    I've never heard of it and wouldn't have had a clue what mycoprotein is till you guys talked about.
    Seems It should have an allergen statement on it.

    Young American here, and I agree, I have only heard of this because my sister in law went vegan and likes it when we all go to vegan/vegetarian restaurants together (she's desperately trying to convert us). That one time in that one place was the only time I have ever even heard of it, I don't shop at whole foods, cause $$$$$$$$ so I have never encountered it in the package.

    I just want to point out to your sister in law that Quorn is not a vegan food.

    It was something I was considering at a vegan SLASH vegetarian restaurant. I think she knew. She doesn't approve of meat substitutes, as well as animal products in general.

    My only issue with meat substitutes is that actual meat tastes much better. I'd be okay with this stuff if they'd be up front about the potential allergic reaction in large print. Something like the Surgeon General warning on cigarette packages.
  • DaddieCat
    DaddieCat Posts: 3,643 Member
    edited November 2015
    _Waffle_ wrote: »
    42firm03 wrote: »
    rabbitjb wrote: »
    There may be a distinct marketing difference ..quorn has been available here since mid 90s ..it's well know. And available in all supermarkets



    Middle aged American here. I shop and cook a lot. I wonder if it's new or newish here.
    I've never heard of it and wouldn't have had a clue what mycoprotein is till you guys talked about.
    Seems It should have an allergen statement on it.

    Young American here, and I agree, I have only heard of this because my sister in law went vegan and likes it when we all go to vegan/vegetarian restaurants together (she's desperately trying to convert us). That one time in that one place was the only time I have ever even heard of it, I don't shop at whole foods, cause $$$$$$$$ so I have never encountered it in the package.

    I just want to point out to your sister in law that Quorn is not a vegan food.

    It was something I was considering at a vegan SLASH vegetarian restaurant. I think she knew. She doesn't approve of meat substitutes, as well as animal products in general.

    My only issue with meat substitutes is that actual meat tastes much better. I'd be okay with this stuff if they'd be up front about the potential allergic reaction in large print. Something like the Surgeon General warning on cigarette packages.

    So, again, do you think this Surgeon General's warning should be on peanut butter? Shellfish? All other allergens?

    I haven't really weighed in on this issue which is heartbreakingly sad, but the company has labeled everything correctly including the statements that Mycoprotein is from the fungi family and bolded it on the ingredient label as an allergen.

    *edited to fix a typo

  • mccindy72
    mccindy72 Posts: 7,001 Member
    when I see 'chicken style' on the package, that pretty much tells me that this is not chicken. Especially when I've always only seen Quorn in the vegetarian/organic/specialty sections in the store and not the meat section.
  • PeachyCarol
    PeachyCarol Posts: 8,029 Member
    msf74 wrote: »
    rabbitjb wrote: »
    People who have severely anaphylactic children simply don't take chances with unknown ingredients IME

    I find it odd that they didn't look into it

    Do you think that the onus is solely on the consumer or do you think that companies have a duty to be transparent in their labeling of products?

    Incidentally the complaint outlines that the child's mother did check the label but was unaware that it contained mould given how it is worded.

    If this was peanuts these guys would have been arrested already. Yeah, companies have a LEGAL OBLIGATION to list this stuff, not just a moral responsibility. Somebody's baby died for godssakes...

    The problem with your argument is it was labeled. They just didn't realise that the name they were reading was a fungi.
    The onus to label it was fullfiled but a lack of knowledge led to this tragic death. Should it be dumbed down to prevent this happening again. I'd say yes. However you should educate yourself so you always know what you and your child is eating
    I know in the UK allergens now have to be bolded on labels, so it'd be interesting to know if it's bolded.

    The ingredients listing listed "mycoprotein". I'm just saying, if something is labeled as having "quiche" in it, we would still requires the company to list "contains eggs*" at the bottom. We ask them to list "this product was manufactured in a facility that also manufactures products containing soy, eggs, gluten, etc*". I dunno why we let a company say "mycoprotein" and not list "*contains fungus" under the ingredients list like literally every other product out there is required to do. I had NEVER seen that word before in my life. I googled it, so yay me, but how hard is it to just put a little asterisk and the word "fungus" which the general non-vegan population actually are familiar with?

    I feel like the parents weren't careful enough, but this company wasn't careful enough at best, and they were negligent/purposefully manipulative at best. I mean it's a quarter inch of ink.... sounds to me like they didn't want people to hear the word fungus.

    Because fungus isn't a common allergy. People are allergic to LOTS of things, but there are only a handful of common allergens. Those are the ones that are targeted with labeling laws.

    Right now, if a person has an uncommon allergy, the onus is on them to educate themselves about the forms their allergen could appear on labels as.

    My daughter had issues with corn when she was little. With that not being a common allergen, we were on our own.
  • _Waffle_
    _Waffle_ Posts: 13,049 Member
    _Waffle_ wrote: »
    42firm03 wrote: »
    rabbitjb wrote: »
    There may be a distinct marketing difference ..quorn has been available here since mid 90s ..it's well know. And available in all supermarkets



    Middle aged American here. I shop and cook a lot. I wonder if it's new or newish here.
    I've never heard of it and wouldn't have had a clue what mycoprotein is till you guys talked about.
    Seems It should have an allergen statement on it.

    Young American here, and I agree, I have only heard of this because my sister in law went vegan and likes it when we all go to vegan/vegetarian restaurants together (she's desperately trying to convert us). That one time in that one place was the only time I have ever even heard of it, I don't shop at whole foods, cause $$$$$$$$ so I have never encountered it in the package.

    I just want to point out to your sister in law that Quorn is not a vegan food.

    It was something I was considering at a vegan SLASH vegetarian restaurant. I think she knew. She doesn't approve of meat substitutes, as well as animal products in general.

    My only issue with meat substitutes is that actual meat tastes much better. I'd be okay with this stuff if they'd be up front about the potential allergic reaction in large print. Something like the Surgeon General warning on cigarette packages.

    So, again, do you think this Surgeon General's warning should be on peanut butter? Shellfish? All other allergens?

    I haven't really weighed in on this issue which is heartbreakingly sad, but the company has labeled everything correctly including the statements that Mycoprotein is from the fungi family and bolded it on the ingredient label as an allergen.

    *edited to fix a typo

    Why not. It's more deadly than cigarettes if you're allergic to it. Mostly I just think that shaping a food into the shape of a food it is not and marketing it as a food it is not should be labeled. If someone made chicken looking peanut butter patties and had them depicted as grilled chicken on the front I think that should be declared.

    If this food was sold as it really was and not as pretend meat then it would require no warning.