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ydyms
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I have a leaky gut and suffer terribly from stomach pain and constipation. So now the scale showed a 4 lb gain and I know it's bloat. I feel so frustrated and feel like giving up. Anyone had a similar experience and pulled through?
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See a dr , try the FOODMAPS elimination diet , sounds like there may be some foods your tummy does not cope with at all. If you have recently made changes to your every day diet , added in new foods or much larger amounts of a food you ate very little of you may have an intolerance to something you were not aware of .
The reaction could be to anything ! "Healthy "or "junk food" .
I often find peppermint or chamomile tea help to settle things a little while I work out what I ate to set it off.
For me triggers are gluten and wheat products , and excess of the cabbage/broccoli family stress will exaberate it as well.0 -
I used to have similar problems. A better diet helped a lot. Cutting down on coffee and drinking more water most likely the reason, but an overall reduction of everything didn't hurt either.0
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Yes, I just did a food sensitivity test, a blood test that determined which foods/supplements/herbs I reacted to. They are referred to as "intolerances." It's not allergy testing (a much stronger and sometimes dangerous reaction). I was really surprised to what I was actually intolerant. I've eliminated those, going on 3 weeks now, and am very happy to finally (!!!!!) have a peaceful gut.
It's nice to have actual lab results, instead of guessing.
The test I did was called ALCAT, although I'm sure there are other companies.
BTW....how do you know you have leaky gut?
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You know it's bloat, NOT FAT, so there's no reason to be discouraged about the scales. Hope you feel better soon.0
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'Leaky gut' is a complete myth. If your gut leaked you'd be in the hospital with blood poisoning! Sounds like you have a food intolerance. I agree with those that suggested trying an elimination diet to test what triggers it. Might be IBS.0
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Please see a medical doctor about your symptoms. Leaky Gut isn't a recognized ailment and the only people who will tell you otherwise want to sell you 'remedies' for this non-existent 'condition.'
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I have a leaky gut and suffer terribly from stomach pain and constipation. So now the scale showed a 4 lb gain and I know it's bloat. I feel so frustrated and feel like giving up. Anyone had a similar experience and pulled through?
draxe.com/4-steps-to-heal-leaky-gut-and-autoimmune-disease/
@ydyms I was in the same boat for 40 years. Well most anyone who is obese with other health issue is in the same boat I now read. My major issue was arthritis and the pain was so bad two doctors wanted me to start Enbrel injections for pain manage last year.
I seriously plan to live to be 110 and that was not going to happen with my immune system beat down with something like Enbrel for pain. 30 days before I was to start Enbrel injections in disgust I stopped eating any/all forms of grains and well as added sugars to the point my total daily carbs were <50 grams.
30 days later my subjective pain levels of 7-8 dropped to 2-3 pain levels. A year later I still have good pain control by diet only. At the time I did not know most health issues are caused by a leaking gut or can lead to a leaking gut.
After 40 years of yo-yoing weight I finally learned until I got my leaking gut fixed/healed by eating the right foods and leaving off the wrong foods that weight was going to be an issue until death. For over a year now I have added 5 tablespoons of coconut oil to my first cup of coffee. I expect its healing influence was keep to healing my leaking gut.
What worked for me may not work for you. I think taking so much Rx meds trigger or made my IBS/leaky gut issues worse. The IBS was cured within the first six month eating this new way. Now I am very sure had I fixed my leaking gut at age 24 life for the past 40 years would have been easier.
Best of success. Those not in the same boat often struggle to grasp our issues due to leaking guts.
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GaleHawkins wrote: »I have a leaky gut and suffer terribly from stomach pain and constipation. So now the scale showed a 4 lb gain and I know it's bloat. I feel so frustrated and feel like giving up. Anyone had a similar experience and pulled through?
draxe.com/4-steps-to-heal-leaky-gut-and-autoimmune-disease/
@ydyms I was in the same boat for 40 years. Well most anyone who is obese with other health issue is in the same boat I now read. My major issue was arthritis and the pain was so bad two doctors wanted me to start Enbrel injections for pain manage last year.
I seriously plan to live to be 110 and that was not going to happen with my immune system beat down with something like Enbrel for pain. 30 days before I was to start Enbrel injections in disgust I stopped eating any/all forms of grains and well as added sugars to the point my total daily carbs were <50 grams.
30 days later my subjective pain levels of 7-8 dropped to 2-3 pain levels. A year later I still have good pain control by diet only. At the time I did not know most health issues are caused by a leaking gut or can lead to a leaking gut.
After 40 years of yo-yoing weight I finally learned until I got my leaking gut fixed/healed by eating the right foods and leaving off the wrong foods that weight was going to be an issue until death. For over a year now I have added 5 tablespoons of coconut oil to my first cup of coffee. I expect its healing influence was keep to healing my leaking gut.
What worked for me may not work for you. I think taking so much Rx meds trigger or made my IBS/leaky gut issues worse. The IBS was cured within the first six month eating this new way. Now I am very sure had I fixed my leaking gut at age 24 life for the past 40 years would have been easier.
Best of success. Those not in the same boat often struggle to grasp our issues due to leaking guts.
How do you know you have a leaky gut? Is there a test for this?0 -
@queenliz99 I am sure there are some indirect tests at least but after years of eating a SAD (Standard American Diet) the odds improve we have caused a leaking gut. When we are dumping stuff into our blood that is to never leave the gut it can put us on the road to poor health and death. The below is out of the above article link.
Leaky Gut Symptoms and Progression
This leads to inflammation throughout your system and can cause symptoms, such as:
Bloating
Food sensitivities
Thyroid conditions
Fatigue
Joint pain
Headaches
Skin issues like rosacea and acne
Digestive problems
Weight gain
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GaleHawkins wrote: »@queenliz99 I am sure there are some indirect tests at least but after years of eating a SAD (Standard American Diet) the odds improve we have caused a leaking gut. When we are dumping stuff into our blood that is to never leave the gut it can put us on the road to poor health and death. The below is out of the above article link.
Leaky Gut Symptoms and Progression
This leads to inflammation throughout your system and can cause symptoms, such as:
Bloating
Food sensitivities
Thyroid conditions
Fatigue
Joint pain
Headaches
Skin issues like rosacea and acne
Digestive problems
Weight gain
Syndrome X
I was wondering how you know you have a leaky gut? Were you tested? Can I order this test thru my health care provider? and what is the test called?0 -
queenliz99 wrote: »I was wondering how you know you have a leaky gut? Were you tested? Can I order this test thru my health care provider? and what is the test called?
Maybe Wikipedia can help:Leaky gut syndrome is not a recognized medical diagnosis, the claimed symptoms are generic and there is no medically validated test.[2] According to National Health Service England,
There is little evidence to support this theory, and no evidence that so-called 'treatments' for 'leaky gut syndrome', such as nutritional supplements and a gluten-free diet, have any beneficial effect for most of the conditions they are claimed to help.[2]
Quackwatch calls leaky gut a "fad diagnosis". Stephen Barrett writes that its proponents use the alleged condition as an opportunity to promote a number of alternative health remedies including diets, herbal preparations, and dietary supplements.[6]
Skeptics and mainstream scientists generally agree that most marketing of treatments for leaky gut syndrome is, at best, misguided, and at worst, an instance of deliberate health fraud.[2]0 -
queenliz99 wrote: »I was wondering how you know you have a leaky gut? Were you tested? Can I order this test thru my health care provider? and what is the test called?
Maybe Wikipedia can help:Leaky gut syndrome is not a recognized medical diagnosis, the claimed symptoms are generic and there is no medically validated test.[2] According to National Health Service England,
There is little evidence to support this theory, and no evidence that so-called 'treatments' for 'leaky gut syndrome', such as nutritional supplements and a gluten-free diet, have any beneficial effect for most of the conditions they are claimed to help.[2]
Quackwatch calls leaky gut a "fad diagnosis". Stephen Barrett writes that its proponents use the alleged condition as an opportunity to promote a number of alternative health remedies including diets, herbal preparations, and dietary supplements.[6]
Skeptics and mainstream scientists generally agree that most marketing of treatments for leaky gut syndrome is, at best, misguided, and at worst, an instance of deliberate health fraud.[2]
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queenliz99 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »I was wondering how you know you have a leaky gut? Were you tested? Can I order this test thru my health care provider? and what is the test called?
Maybe Wikipedia can help:Leaky gut syndrome is not a recognized medical diagnosis, the claimed symptoms are generic and there is no medically validated test.[2] According to National Health Service England,
There is little evidence to support this theory, and no evidence that so-called 'treatments' for 'leaky gut syndrome', such as nutritional supplements and a gluten-free diet, have any beneficial effect for most of the conditions they are claimed to help.[2]
Quackwatch calls leaky gut a "fad diagnosis". Stephen Barrett writes that its proponents use the alleged condition as an opportunity to promote a number of alternative health remedies including diets, herbal preparations, and dietary supplements.[6]
Skeptics and mainstream scientists generally agree that most marketing of treatments for leaky gut syndrome is, at best, misguided, and at worst, an instance of deliberate health fraud.[2]
Thank you
I'd also be very curious to hear how a diagnosis is made, though. Some people seem very convinced that it actually exists.0 -
queenliz99 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »I was wondering how you know you have a leaky gut? Were you tested? Can I order this test thru my health care provider? and what is the test called?
Maybe Wikipedia can help:Leaky gut syndrome is not a recognized medical diagnosis, the claimed symptoms are generic and there is no medically validated test.[2] According to National Health Service England,
There is little evidence to support this theory, and no evidence that so-called 'treatments' for 'leaky gut syndrome', such as nutritional supplements and a gluten-free diet, have any beneficial effect for most of the conditions they are claimed to help.[2]
Quackwatch calls leaky gut a "fad diagnosis". Stephen Barrett writes that its proponents use the alleged condition as an opportunity to promote a number of alternative health remedies including diets, herbal preparations, and dietary supplements.[6]
Skeptics and mainstream scientists generally agree that most marketing of treatments for leaky gut syndrome is, at best, misguided, and at worst, an instance of deliberate health fraud.[2]
Thank you
I'd also be very curious to hear how a diagnosis is made, though. Some people seem very convinced that it actually exists.
As you quoted the medical community has not yet bought into it as even being a real thing. Since it does not require any Rx meds to fix I am not sure the medical industry has any interest in the subject.
mdheal.org/leakygut.htm
This older article by an MD help on this subject. I think MD's prefer the term Intestinal Permeability.:)
medscape.com/viewarticle/837168
BMC Gastroenterology
Intestinal Permeability – A New Target for Disease Prevention and Therapy
Stephan C Bischoff; Giovanni Barbara; Wim Buurman; Theo Ockhuizen; Jörg-Dieter Schulzke; Matteo Serino; Herbert Tilg; Alastair Watson; Jerry M Wells
Disclosures
BMC Gastroenterol. 2014;14(189)
This more current article covers this "new" subject in some detail with photos.
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drink kefir. packed with probiotics..it will fix your gut within weeks.0
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elisa123gal wrote: »drink kefir. packed with probiotics..it will fix your gut within weeks.
I have heard that works well for some people. While a few months ago I started taking some probiotics but my leaky gut/intestinal permeability case seemed to have when away after daily using 5 tablespoons of coconut well before I started probiotics. In my case cutting out all forms of grains may have been more key that cutting out the sugar but I cut out both at the same time so I can not be sure.
Because my joint and muscle pain levels dropped from 7-8 to 2-3 in just 30 days after cutting carbs to under 50 grams a day and still managing my pain by diet only is really all I need to know this new way of eating makes my body and mind happy.
We are all where we are today health wise for many different reasons so different things may fix different people.
The cool thing in my case was I just had to change my way of eating so no meds or doctors were involved to cure my intestinal permeability/leaky gut or whatever name wants to call the condition that can lead to an early death.0 -
elisa123gal wrote: »drink kefir. packed with probiotics..it will fix your gut within weeks.
ABSOLUTELY! I have had abdominal pain since I was 5years old. I had an upper GI scope x 2, followed paleo diet x years and eliminated coffee, wine, etc...
What helped? Stopping coffee, and drinking kefir and being grain free. But I ditched coffee and grain prior and it only helped a bit. The kefir was like magic.
If interested in kefir and health, go to pubmed and search abstracts/papers on it. A lot of evidence as adjunctive treatment for SIBO, IBS and functional abdominal pain.
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MarziPanda95 wrote: »'Leaky gut' is a complete myth. If your gut leaked you'd be in the hospital with blood poisoning! Sounds like you have a food intolerance. I agree with those that suggested trying an elimination diet to test what triggers it. Might be IBS.snickerscharlie wrote: »Please see a medical doctor about your symptoms. Leaky Gut isn't a recognized ailment and the only people who will tell you otherwise want to sell you 'remedies' for this non-existent 'condition.'Maybe Wikipedia can help:
Leaky gut syndrome is not a recognized medical diagnosis, the claimed symptoms are generic and there is no medically validated test.[2] According to National Health Service England,
There is little evidence to support this theory, and no evidence that so-called 'treatments' for 'leaky gut syndrome', such as nutritional supplements and a gluten-free diet, have any beneficial effect for most of the conditions they are claimed to help.[2]
Quackwatch calls leaky gut a "fad diagnosis". Stephen Barrett writes that its proponents use the alleged condition as an opportunity to promote a number of alternative health remedies including diets, herbal preparations, and dietary supplements.[6]
Skeptics and mainstream scientists generally agree that most marketing of treatments for leaky gut syndrome is, at best, misguided, and at worst, an instance of deliberate health fraud.[2]
This is a quite rude. Please do some real research - not wikipedia "research." Pubmed is a reliable source for peer-reviewed medical articles
Variations in the level of intestinal permeability (leaky gut) are:
(1) a reason that if you are taking oral vancomycin you MUST be tested regularly for the level of vancomycin in your bloodstream - vancomycin, taken orally, does not reach the bloodstream at all. If you have higher than normal permeability it does, sometimes in levels that are high enough to produce life altering side effects. (My daughter was on vancomycin for a year as part of a study out of Massachusetts General, (a tad more reputable source for medical information than Wikipedia). The study required her to have blood tests every 12 weeks because the underlying disease often involves a higher than normal permeability (i.e. leaky gut).) Had she had significant levels of vancomycin in her bloodstream (as some develop because of leaky gut), she would have been dismissed from the study.
(2) one of the main hypotheses for the known connection between my daughter's first chronic disease and the liver disease that the research study was targeting.
Those are the two I am most familiar with because they are the ones that affect me directly - both of which have been conveyed to me by numerous of the specialists (gastrointestinal and hepatology) across the country with whom we have been in contact in connection with the rare liver disease she has.
I have no idea whether the OP has leaky gut - but to dismiss the concept as fantasy when it is a medically recognized fact, with growing importance as we learn more about the gut microbiome - is offensive.
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queenliz99 wrote: »I was wondering how you know you have a leaky gut? Were you tested? Can I order this test thru my health care provider? and what is the test called?
Leaky gut, from a medical perspective (to my knowledge), is not recognized as a separate treatable syndrome. Abnormal permeabiliyt is a theory for many GI-linked diseases, and an increasingly explored hypothesis for the gut-brain connection the microbiome research is focused on.
The matter that impacts current treatment is when a leaky gut causes medications that are intended to stay in the gut to enter the bloodstream - some of which have side effects, some of which might outweigh the benefit of the medicine. So if you needed to take one of those medications - vancomycin is the one I am most familiar with - you need to be tested for blood serum concentration to ensure it has not leaked from the gut into the bloodstream. That would give you an indication leaky gut, but it is not something that you would be independently tested for. I am not aware of any independent tests.
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GaleHawkins wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »queenliz99 wrote: »I was wondering how you know you have a leaky gut? Were you tested? Can I order this test thru my health care provider? and what is the test called?
Maybe Wikipedia can help:Leaky gut syndrome is not a recognized medical diagnosis, the claimed symptoms are generic and there is no medically validated test.[2] According to National Health Service England,
There is little evidence to support this theory, and no evidence that so-called 'treatments' for 'leaky gut syndrome', such as nutritional supplements and a gluten-free diet, have any beneficial effect for most of the conditions they are claimed to help.[2]
Quackwatch calls leaky gut a "fad diagnosis". Stephen Barrett writes that its proponents use the alleged condition as an opportunity to promote a number of alternative health remedies including diets, herbal preparations, and dietary supplements.[6]
Skeptics and mainstream scientists generally agree that most marketing of treatments for leaky gut syndrome is, at best, misguided, and at worst, an instance of deliberate health fraud.[2]
Thank you
I'd also be very curious to hear how a diagnosis is made, though. Some people seem very convinced that it actually exists.
As you quoted the medical community has not yet bought into it as even being a real thing. Since it does not require any Rx meds to fix I am not sure the medical industry has any interest in the subject.
mdheal.org/leakygut.htm
This older article by an MD help on this subject. I think MD's prefer the term Intestinal Permeability.:)
medscape.com/viewarticle/837168
BMC Gastroenterology
Intestinal Permeability – A New Target for Disease Prevention and Therapy
Stephan C Bischoff; Giovanni Barbara; Wim Buurman; Theo Ockhuizen; Jörg-Dieter Schulzke; Matteo Serino; Herbert Tilg; Alastair Watson; Jerry M Wells
Disclosures
BMC Gastroenterol. 2014;14(189)
This more current article covers this "new" subject in some detail with photos.
the medical community and big pharma aren't the same thing...0
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