Calorie Prioritization - Yes, a calorie is a calorie….
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ryanflebbe wrote: »ryanflebbe wrote: »
Funny, Lyle does actually get that a lot... until someone who looks like he lifts too much says "Lyle knows his stuff, who are you?"It's funny that you think you're getting all your nutritional needs when most of the time you're getting upwards to 1000 calories from alcohol and food with high sugar. Hard to take what you say serious when you don't practice what you preach at all. Nice journal.
It would be nice if you would actually evaluate the content of his post rather than using what he eats as justification to disregard the post.
What he eats has nothing to do with the words he just put on the screen.
Do you disregard Lyle's material because he doesn't look like he lifts?
Both the complaint at NDJ and Lyle are good example of an actual ad hominem fallacy instead of how the term is thrown out every time someone insults them.
besides the fact that he cherry picked one day over Thanksgiving weekend...LOL
It was more than a weekend you did it for like 14 days, the journal does not lie, plus it was even before that particular weekend started.
The idea of a bulk is to gain as much as muscle with little fat as possible. Why bulk with high caloric dense foods that do nothing for you to build muscle? Do you really believe alcohol calories upwards to 600 will help you, plus the 400 calories from cookies that was seen daily for totals to 600-1000 bulk calories...
How does getting more empty, non nutritious calories build muscle? I would ask for an explanation but this whole topic becomes more opinion and then people start yelling BRO SCIENCE and it's just not worth anything.
Back to the OP's topic, CICO, which basically states obesity is simply a matter of eating too many calories is a very flawed argument Not all the food is the same, and not everyone is the same, and reaction is where the calories matter anyways.
I just don't get the idea that as long as it's calories I will gain muscle, because I lift whatever amount of weight the person is lifting.
Stop grabbing straws, i'm sure someone will say that and has. I'll just look around at the world and see obesity going up and up, and think they are all fat because they ate too much. Then I will realize counting calories has been here forever, and that is surely working for us.
Calories are energy for sure, which is the definition of the calorie, but to the standpoint of what the food it is not = biologically and if it's not it makes them not the same and a calorie not a calorie. I can even link this and it will not help but I still will, because the evidence is growing that what we eat matters more than what is the calorie amount, and what we eat is how we get the calories in the first place!
http://news.harvard.edu/gazette/story/2012/06/when-a-calorie-is-not-just-a-calorie/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/7838668.stm
I know people want the simplest way to get their goals, but for majority it's not simple as just eat less to lose weight, or eat more to gain weight. It varies and really bad advice to recommend someone who has never been "fat" to eat more junk to reach a number as long as they hit their macros. Or the opposite to someone who was "fat" to keep eating the junk because now they are under a number, the number is a tool not the answer. I thought Fitness was health related? Guess it only matters number wise...
Moderation/ sanity will come up next, if you need a cookie and some ice cream have it, i'll never say keep that out of your diet, but don't rely on those in large amounts to hit that darn number again, for a goal you took serious enough to start. Common sense.
Someone will bring up the Laws of Thermodynamics in their favor too. But here is the smoking gun. The second law of thermodynamics applies to closed/isolated systems. The human body is not a closed/isolated system.
The original post sucked. This is a good one.What you eat effects body composition too, not just how much you eat. The timing and frequency matters too. Different people respond differently to the same foods. A person responds differently to the same amount of calories from different foods. One simple example is insulin response to food and insulin sensitivity.
you have some studies to back up the frequency claim?
Did you even read my OP where I sad get micros and macros first?
I'm not posting studies and I'm not criticizing your tier. What I am saying is that for body composition, it matters where those calories come from. You don't seem to distinguish between different kinds of carbs. Would you really claim that someone would have the same physique outcome by eating a thousand calories a day of their total calories, from donuts, eaten all at once, and from eating a thousand calories a day from brown rice, split between five meals a day? I would guess the total weight gained wouldn't be the same, even if you ate the same total amount of calories.
Assuming that both people are in a 1000 calorie surplus (not sure why anyone would want to do that) then yes, there gains should roughly be the same. Please explain how your body differentiates between a surplus of a thousand calories of donuts and a thousand calories of brown rice and chicken? And good luck getting into a thousand calorie surplus just eating chicken and brown rice.
With all due respect, the comparison points that you are making are strawmen, as I dont think anyone is going to consume a thousand calories of either food group. But please explain to us how your body distinguishes between a surplus of the same unit of energy (calories)...
Are you really arguing that people eating 1000 calories of chicken and brown rice would gain less than a person eating 1000 calories of donuts?
Also, carbs = carbs...
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Carbs maybe carbs only when categorizing,, but they surely don't do the same thing. Just as a calorie is categorized as proteins, fats, carbs. The chain in the molecule makes them different.
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just going to leave these hear about meal timing and what not...
http://www.jissn.com/content/10/1/53
http://www.jissn.com/content/10/1/5
https://m.facebook.com/alan.aragon.796/posts/10152774524314992?stream_ref=10
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Carbs maybe carbs only when categorizing,, but they surely don't do the same thing. Just as a calorie is categorized as proteins, fats, carbs. The chain in the molecule makes them different.
All digestible carbs get turned into glucose and fructose by your body. The process of breaking the bonds apart only takes negligible amounts of calories.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »Carbs maybe carbs only when categorizing,, but they surely don't do the same thing. Just as a calorie is categorized as proteins, fats, carbs. The chain in the molecule makes them different.
All digestible carbs get turned into glucose and fructose by your body. The process of breaking the bonds apart only takes negligible amounts of calories.
While that is true, the speeds of digestion differs greatly, and if you don't believe this please stop posting.0 -
stevencloser wrote: »Carbs maybe carbs only when categorizing,, but they surely don't do the same thing. Just as a calorie is categorized as proteins, fats, carbs. The chain in the molecule makes them different.
All digestible carbs get turned into glucose and fructose by your body. The process of breaking the bonds apart only takes negligible amounts of calories.
While that is true, the speeds of digestion differs greatly, and if you don't believe this please stop posting.
And what does the speed of digestion have to do with body composition or weight loss/gain, in the context of a diet that has the same calories and macros?0 -
but but but pizza.........
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A candy bar would give a huge amount of energy fast, while the same calorie amount of broccoli is broken down slower and gives a steady amount energy.
Thus the difference between simple and complex carbs, not to mention the health benefits. The only way I can see someone really utilizing a candy bar.cookie, ice cream, or something with a huge amount of processed sugar is after a workout or before. The problem is it looks like a few people don't believe in meal timing or think it's not important, but it's very hyporcitalcal that most weight lifters, no matter the goal, have preworkout and post workout meal, aka meal timing, THINGS THAT MAKE YOU GO HMMM....0 -
By body composition, we are both talking about muscle vs fat gain right? I am. Eating the donuts every day will spike insulin more, and do it when you have eaten more calories than you can burn so over time you will be slightly fatter with slightly less muscle. Also, I eat 5000 calories a day, and I can eat 1000 calories from rice in one sitting, although different spacing seems more prudent. I've eaten and trained many different ways and read quite a bit on physiology, nutrition, etc. and your body doesn't always respond as it theoretically should. There are so many factors and variables to bodybuilding. Studies don't always predict real life results when the scale, intensities, and variables come into play, either.0
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stevencloser wrote: »Carbs maybe carbs only when categorizing,, but they surely don't do the same thing. Just as a calorie is categorized as proteins, fats, carbs. The chain in the molecule makes them different.
All digestible carbs get turned into glucose and fructose by your body. The process of breaking the bonds apart only takes negligible amounts of calories.
While that is true, the speeds of digestion differs greatly, and if you don't believe this please stop posting.
And what does the speed of digestion have to do with body composition or weight loss/gain, in the context of a diet that has the same calories and macros?
Lets just keep asking more questions avoiding the obvious. That is what most of these replies are.
What is the obvious? I had the exact same question.
I'm not trying to ask questions but your responses are leaving me with lots.
Eta - just saw your edit. Never mind. If you need to resort to insulting the intelligence of those who question you instead of explaining yourself I suspect I don't need to hear what you have to say anyway.0 -
A candy bar would give a huge amount of energy fast, while the same calorie amount of broccoli is broken down slower and gives a steady amount energy.
Thus the difference between simple and complex carbs, not to mention the health benefits. The only way I can see someone really utilizing a candy bar.cookie, ice cream, or something with a huge amount of processed sugar is after a workout or before. The problem is it looks like a few people don't believe in meal timing or think it's not important, but it's very hyporcitalcal that most weight lifters, no matter the goal, have preworkout and post workout meal, aka meal timing, THINGS THAT MAKE YOU GO HMMM....
Meal timing can be effective for energy levels etc. but not for weight loss/gain. people have success with pre and post workout meal, but people also have success following IF. Meal timing should be more about preference and workout performance, as it does not affect weight loss or gain in the context of the same diet while eating at different times.0 -
ryanflebbe wrote: »By body composition, we are both talking about muscle vs fat gain right? I am. Eating the donuts every day will spike insulin more, and do it when you have eaten more calories than you can burn so over time you will be slightly fatter with slightly less muscle. Also, I eat 5000 calories a day, and I can eat 1000 calories from rice in one sitting, although different spacing seems more prudent. I've eaten and trained many different ways and read quite a bit on physiology, nutrition, etc. and your body doesn't always respond as it theoretically should. There are so many factors and variables to bodybuilding. Studies don't always predict real life results when the scale, intensities, and variables come into play, either.
I always thought insulin was an anabolic driver........0 -
ryanflebbe wrote: »By body composition, we are both talking about muscle vs fat gain right? I am. Eating the donuts every day will spike insulin more, and do it when you have eaten more calories than you can burn so over time you will be slightly fatter with slightly less muscle. Also, I eat 5000 calories a day, and I can eat 1000 calories from rice in one sitting, although different spacing seems more prudent. I've eaten and trained many different ways and read quite a bit on physiology, nutrition, etc. and your body doesn't always respond as it theoretically should. There are so many factors and variables to bodybuilding. Studies don't always predict real life results when the scale, intensities, and variables come into play, either.
I always thought insulin was an anabolic driver........
I thought the same, one reason carbs are king for a bulk (as long as you get mins in other macros of course)0 -
ryanflebbe wrote: »By body composition, we are both talking about muscle vs fat gain right? I am. Eating the donuts every day will spike insulin more, and do it when you have eaten more calories than you can burn so over time you will be slightly fatter with slightly less muscle. Also, I eat 5000 calories a day, and I can eat 1000 calories from rice in one sitting, although different spacing seems more prudent. I've eaten and trained many different ways and read quite a bit on physiology, nutrition, etc. and your body doesn't always respond as it theoretically should. There are so many factors and variables to bodybuilding. Studies don't always predict real life results when the scale, intensities, and variables come into play, either.
I always thought insulin was an anabolic driver........
I thought the same, one reason carbs are king for a bulk (as long as you get mins in other macros of course)
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ryanflebbe wrote: »By body composition, we are both talking about muscle vs fat gain right? I am. Eating the donuts every day will spike insulin more, and do it when you have eaten more calories than you can burn so over time you will be slightly fatter with slightly less muscle. Also, I eat 5000 calories a day, and I can eat 1000 calories from rice in one sitting, although different spacing seems more prudent. I've eaten and trained many different ways and read quite a bit on physiology, nutrition, etc. and your body doesn't always respond as it theoretically should. There are so many factors and variables to bodybuilding. Studies don't always predict real life results when the scale, intensities, and variables come into play, either.
I always thought insulin was an anabolic driver........
Shhhhh....that's our little secret0 -
A candy bar would give a huge amount of energy fast, while the same calorie amount of broccoli is broken down slower and gives a steady amount energy.
Thus the difference between simple and complex carbs, not to mention the health benefits. The only way I can see someone really utilizing a candy bar.cookie, ice cream, or something with a huge amount of processed sugar is after a workout or before. The problem is it looks like a few people don't believe in meal timing or think it's not important, but it's very hyporcitalcal that most weight lifters, no matter the goal, have preworkout and post workout meal, aka meal timing, THINGS THAT MAKE YOU GO HMMM....
Meal timing can be effective for energy levels etc. but not for weight loss/gain. people have success with pre and post workout meal, but people also have success following IF. Meal timing should be more about preference and workout performance, as it does not affect weight loss or gain in the context of the same diet while eating at different times.
I would think energy levels in the body, would certainly affect someone's hormones, recovery, epatite and actual workout. The problem is I can say these things, but you believe they are too small in the overal picture, and don't matter, so why go into more detail. Not to mention 5 mins ago meal timing wasn't even real, or whatever was mentioned, now it is? Either is exists or doesn't.0 -
@JoshLibby @ryanflebbe so when in a caloric surplus what happens to excess protein that my body doesn't use for MPS?0
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A candy bar would give a huge amount of energy fast, while the same calorie amount of broccoli is broken down slower and gives a steady amount energy.
So a couple hundred calories is digested over the course of (let's say) a couple hours, or a couple hundred calories is digested over the course of several hours.
What exactly is going to be the different outcome in the context of long term weight gain (or loss)?
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ryanflebbe wrote: »By body composition, we are both talking about muscle vs fat gain right? I am. Eating the donuts every day will spike insulin more, and do it when you have eaten more calories than you can burn so over time you will be slightly fatter with slightly less muscle. Also, I eat 5000 calories a day, and I can eat 1000 calories from rice in one sitting, although different spacing seems more prudent. I've eaten and trained many different ways and read quite a bit on physiology, nutrition, etc. and your body doesn't always respond as it theoretically should. There are so many factors and variables to bodybuilding. Studies don't always predict real life results when the scale, intensities, and variables come into play, either.
This also ignore the context of a total diet. No one advocates a diet very high in doughnuts every day. Below is the approach I take and when people make the doughnut assumption, here is my general response:psuLemon wrote:I generally manage to address several nutritional goals/recommendations based on current science and discussions with multiple specialist (my wife has a medical condition so I have to go to GI, Cardiologist, Endochronologist,etc..): 1. 1g of protein per lb of lean body mass (sometimes I hit body weight), 2. I hit over 20g of fiber a day... with many being almost 40g (I do have a quest bar, but I also get 2 or 3 servings of fruit and a few servings a veggies, 3. I also get a good amount of dietary fat (.35 to .4g) per lb of lean body mass. 4. Rest is carbs which is mainly from whole wheat breads, fruits and veggies. Oh and this is all on a cut at ~2400 calories. So let me ask you, how hard do you think it would be for me to improve those numbers with an additional 850 calories during a clean bulk?
And my goal is get stronger, cut body fat, maintain muscle.0 -
A candy bar would give a huge amount of energy fast, while the same calorie amount of broccoli is broken down slower and gives a steady amount energy.
Thus the difference between simple and complex carbs, not to mention the health benefits. The only way I can see someone really utilizing a candy bar.cookie, ice cream, or something with a huge amount of processed sugar is after a workout or before. The problem is it looks like a few people don't believe in meal timing or think it's not important, but it's very hyporcitalcal that most weight lifters, no matter the goal, have preworkout and post workout meal, aka meal timing, THINGS THAT MAKE YOU GO HMMM....
Meal timing can be effective for energy levels etc. but not for weight loss/gain. people have success with pre and post workout meal, but people also have success following IF. Meal timing should be more about preference and workout performance, as it does not affect weight loss or gain in the context of the same diet while eating at different times.
I would think energy levels in the body, would certainly affect someone's hormones, recovery, epatite and actual workout. The problem is I can say these things, but you believe they are too small in the overal picture, and don't matter, so why go into more detail. Not to mention 5 mins ago meal timing wasn't even real, or whatever was mentioned, now it is? Either is exists or doesn't.
For weight management it makes no (or very little impact), is what was stated.0 -
ryanflebbe wrote: »By body composition, we are both talking about muscle vs fat gain right? I am. Eating the donuts every day will spike insulin more, and do it when you have eaten more calories than you can burn so over time you will be slightly fatter with slightly less muscle. Also, I eat 5000 calories a day, and I can eat 1000 calories from rice in one sitting, although different spacing seems more prudent. I've eaten and trained many different ways and read quite a bit on physiology, nutrition, etc. and your body doesn't always respond as it theoretically should. There are so many factors and variables to bodybuilding. Studies don't always predict real life results when the scale, intensities, and variables come into play, either.
I always thought insulin was an anabolic driver........
Yes, when your body needs it. That is why it's produced in the first place, but the body doesn't know that you would or wouldn't be trying to increase it.0 -
ryanflebbe wrote: »By body composition, we are both talking about muscle vs fat gain right? I am. Eating the donuts every day will spike insulin more, and do it when you have eaten more calories than you can burn so over time you will be slightly fatter with slightly less muscle. Also, I eat 5000 calories a day, and I can eat 1000 calories from rice in one sitting, although different spacing seems more prudent. I've eaten and trained many different ways and read quite a bit on physiology, nutrition, etc. and your body doesn't always respond as it theoretically should. There are so many factors and variables to bodybuilding. Studies don't always predict real life results when the scale, intensities, and variables come into play, either.
I always thought insulin was an anabolic driver........
Yes, when your body needs it. That is why it's produced in the first place, but the body doesn't know that you would or wouldn't be trying to increase it.
you mean just like your body would not distinguish between a surplus of 500 calories of vegetables or 500 calories of doughnuts????
the recommendation for carbs is always in conjunction with a progressive overload program as the insulin spike signals muscles to start growing...0 -
ryanflebbe wrote: »By body composition, we are both talking about muscle vs fat gain right? I am. Eating the donuts every day will spike insulin more, and do it when you have eaten more calories than you can burn so over time you will be slightly fatter with slightly less muscle. Also, I eat 5000 calories a day, and I can eat 1000 calories from rice in one sitting, although different spacing seems more prudent. I've eaten and trained many different ways and read quite a bit on physiology, nutrition, etc. and your body doesn't always respond as it theoretically should. There are so many factors and variables to bodybuilding. Studies don't always predict real life results when the scale, intensities, and variables come into play, either.
I always thought insulin was an anabolic driver........
Yes, when your body needs it. That is why it's produced in the first place, but the body doesn't know that you would or wouldn't be trying to increase it.
Your body only "needs" so much muscle mass......hence RDA recommendations. Building muscle you're forcing your body to do things it doesn't "need" to do....0 -
ryanflebbe wrote: »By body composition, we are both talking about muscle vs fat gain right? I am. Eating the donuts every day will spike insulin more, and do it when you have eaten more calories than you can burn so over time you will be slightly fatter with slightly less muscle. Also, I eat 5000 calories a day, and I can eat 1000 calories from rice in one sitting, although different spacing seems more prudent. I've eaten and trained many different ways and read quite a bit on physiology, nutrition, etc. and your body doesn't always respond as it theoretically should. There are so many factors and variables to bodybuilding. Studies don't always predict real life results when the scale, intensities, and variables come into play, either.
I always thought insulin was an anabolic driver........
Yes, when your body needs it. That is why it's produced in the first place, but the body doesn't know that you would or wouldn't be trying to increase it.
you mean just like your body would not distinguish between a surplus of 500 calories of vegetables or 500 calories of doughnuts????
the recommendation for carbs is always in conjunction with a progressive overload program as the insulin spike signals muscles to start growing...
But doughnuts have the insulin effect and the vegetables do not. The spike of insulin would differ no matter the calories amount, sugar is the variable, the amount the kind, and how it's broken down. THE END
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ryanflebbe wrote: »By body composition, we are both talking about muscle vs fat gain right? I am. Eating the donuts every day will spike insulin more, and do it when you have eaten more calories than you can burn so over time you will be slightly fatter with slightly less muscle. Also, I eat 5000 calories a day, and I can eat 1000 calories from rice in one sitting, although different spacing seems more prudent. I've eaten and trained many different ways and read quite a bit on physiology, nutrition, etc. and your body doesn't always respond as it theoretically should. There are so many factors and variables to bodybuilding. Studies don't always predict real life results when the scale, intensities, and variables come into play, either.
I always thought insulin was an anabolic driver........
Yes, when your body needs it. That is why it's produced in the first place, but the body doesn't know that you would or wouldn't be trying to increase it.
It is also anabolic when your body doesn't need it. That is why many pro bodybuilders inject insulin*.
*Disclaimer: Do not attempt to do this. It is very dangerous and can be fatal.0 -
ryanflebbe wrote: »By body composition, we are both talking about muscle vs fat gain right? I am. Eating the donuts every day will spike insulin more, and do it when you have eaten more calories than you can burn so over time you will be slightly fatter with slightly less muscle. Also, I eat 5000 calories a day, and I can eat 1000 calories from rice in one sitting, although different spacing seems more prudent. I've eaten and trained many different ways and read quite a bit on physiology, nutrition, etc. and your body doesn't always respond as it theoretically should. There are so many factors and variables to bodybuilding. Studies don't always predict real life results when the scale, intensities, and variables come into play, either.
I always thought insulin was an anabolic driver........
Yes, when your body needs it. That is why it's produced in the first place, but the body doesn't know that you would or wouldn't be trying to increase it.
Your body only "needs" so much muscle mass......hence RDA recommendations. Building muscle you're forcing your body to do things it doesn't "need" to do....
Not sure what you are saying here, now we are talking about how much mass we gain? I
nsulin spikes would be determined not just because you body needs it, it would also be determined by what foods were eaten, soda is a great example of this, and soda is a simple carb.
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ryanflebbe wrote: »By body composition, we are both talking about muscle vs fat gain right? I am. Eating the donuts every day will spike insulin more, and do it when you have eaten more calories than you can burn so over time you will be slightly fatter with slightly less muscle. Also, I eat 5000 calories a day, and I can eat 1000 calories from rice in one sitting, although different spacing seems more prudent. I've eaten and trained many different ways and read quite a bit on physiology, nutrition, etc. and your body doesn't always respond as it theoretically should. There are so many factors and variables to bodybuilding. Studies don't always predict real life results when the scale, intensities, and variables come into play, either.
I always thought insulin was an anabolic driver........
Yes, when your body needs it. That is why it's produced in the first place, but the body doesn't know that you would or wouldn't be trying to increase it.
Your body only "needs" so much muscle mass......hence RDA recommendations. Building muscle you're forcing your body to do things it doesn't "need" to do....
Not sure what you are saying here, now we are talking about how much mass we gain? I
nsulin spikes would be determined not just because you body needs it, it would also be determined by what foods were eaten, soda is a great example of this, and soda is a simple carb.
No, I was just adding to your comment.
This thread has talked about meal timing, macros, body composition, muscle gain, fat gain, and the list continues..... I'm playing bingo here.
OP - Great initial post.0 -
ryanflebbe wrote: »By body composition, we are both talking about muscle vs fat gain right? I am. Eating the donuts every day will spike insulin more, and do it when you have eaten more calories than you can burn so over time you will be slightly fatter with slightly less muscle. Also, I eat 5000 calories a day, and I can eat 1000 calories from rice in one sitting, although different spacing seems more prudent. I've eaten and trained many different ways and read quite a bit on physiology, nutrition, etc. and your body doesn't always respond as it theoretically should. There are so many factors and variables to bodybuilding. Studies don't always predict real life results when the scale, intensities, and variables come into play, either.
Why would insulin mean more fat storage than muscle? You know muscle cells have insulin receptors too, don't you? You know insulin is an anabolic hormone, don't you? You know the main divider between whether calories are partitioned to fat or muscle for an individual (assuming appropriate muscle stimulus) is insulin sensitivity, driven by current body fat levels, don't you? I'm not seeing why fast carbs versus slow carbs would change this appreciably, but if you have research that shows such an effect, I'd be interested.0 -
ryanflebbe wrote: »By body composition, we are both talking about muscle vs fat gain right? I am. Eating the donuts every day will spike insulin more, and do it when you have eaten more calories than you can burn so over time you will be slightly fatter with slightly less muscle. Also, I eat 5000 calories a day, and I can eat 1000 calories from rice in one sitting, although different spacing seems more prudent. I've eaten and trained many different ways and read quite a bit on physiology, nutrition, etc. and your body doesn't always respond as it theoretically should. There are so many factors and variables to bodybuilding. Studies don't always predict real life results when the scale, intensities, and variables come into play, either.
I always thought insulin was an anabolic driver........
Yes, when your body needs it. That is why it's produced in the first place, but the body doesn't know that you would or wouldn't be trying to increase it.
you mean just like your body would not distinguish between a surplus of 500 calories of vegetables or 500 calories of doughnuts????
the recommendation for carbs is always in conjunction with a progressive overload program as the insulin spike signals muscles to start growing...
But doughnuts have the insulin effect and the vegetables do not. The spike of insulin would differ no matter the calories amount, sugar is the variable, the amount the kind, and how it's broken down. THE END
yea, no, you still have failed to explain how your body distinguished between a surplus of one food group over another....
maybe you should go run a few bulk/cut cycles and then come back and try to lecture us on the mechanics...0 -
What's with all these people behind bars??????
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